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thegooddoctor
04-26-2016, 05:32 AM
I'm sorry if this has been asked before - is passport the only ID method being accepted by MFL for age verification at this point? If yes, is covering the passport number itself acceptable? If no, what other forms of ID are acceptable?

Any kind of government issued ID with your birth date on it is fine.

SuperPookie
05-12-2016, 01:01 PM
Is it picking up on there for you ladies? I went on the other day for a few hours but just got a tip.

Rispy_Girl
05-12-2016, 01:10 PM
Is it picking up on there for you ladies? I went on the other day for a few hours but just got a tip.

I got my first tipping guy, but had to take a almost week long hiatus due to finals. We shall see tonight.

SuperPookie
05-13-2016, 07:03 AM
I hope it went well. I really like this site and keep hoping that it will pick up. It's also quite possible though that I just don't have the right vibe for it and in fact it is picking up for everyone else lol.

DonaDiabla
05-13-2016, 05:37 PM
I signed to this site last week. I was wondering if this is good site for non-nude dommes? I will start working next week :)

Rispy_Girl
05-14-2016, 12:32 AM
Got an email saying thegooddoctor will be buying more traffic. This is probably a good time to explore and experiment more.

SuperPookie
05-21-2016, 06:02 AM
Idk where he's advertising but it's made traffic on there worse for me. Of the last 3 times I've been on I've only had 1 single man in my room that spoke English. Everyone else was Russian. That one guy was a rude freeloader at that .

Tsani
05-21-2016, 10:55 AM
I was only able to cam there once this week, but I made nothing. There were a few chatters who didn't tip and a russian dude whose name I couldn't type or pronounce to greet him because it was in russian. He had lots of credits but just sat in my room saying nothing the entire time I was on.

SuperPookie
05-22-2016, 06:32 AM
^^^ yeah I got that guy to. He sat there for awhile , I guess checking to see if I'd suddenly flash my tits or something and then left.

KPTfiend
06-08-2016, 06:41 PM
Woot! Fetish site! I like this! Just read all 9 pages of info and saw no reason not to try it out. No chargebacks and 50% pay sounds ggrreeaat to me. The low traffic is sad but for a new site that makes sense. Either way this seems like the only site that allows more "taboo" types of play sssoooo....I think I'll be checking it out. :) *better start learning Russian*

seriously shocked and amazed that in 2016 there aren't more kinky/fetish based sites. I mean this is the stuff that is hard to get in real life, or for free, so you'd think those wanting would be willing to pay. Anyway...thanks for all the info (good and "bad") from everyone. Figuring out which sites to join has been my biggest challenge so far and this place has been imeasurably helpful! <3

thegooddoctor
06-10-2016, 10:09 AM
Woot! Fetish site! I like this! Just read all 9 pages of info and saw no reason not to try it out. No chargebacks and 50% pay sounds ggrreeaat to me. The low traffic is sad but for a new site that makes sense. Either way this seems like the only site that allows more "taboo" types of play sssoooo....I think I'll be checking it out. :) *better start learning Russian*

seriously shocked and amazed that in 2016 there aren't more kinky/fetish based sites. I mean this is the stuff that is hard to get in real life, or for free, so you'd think those wanting would be willing to pay. Anyway...thanks for all the info (good and "bad") from everyone. Figuring out which sites to join has been my biggest challenge so far and this place has been imeasurably helpful! <3

What it basically comes down to, is that the big box who don't specialize in anything in particular have a huge market share. They have multimillion dollar budgets and they can afford to pretty much bury everyone else's ads. For a bit of perspective, I'd like to share a stat I learned this past week while at XBiz/ Camming Con. One cam site buys an ad slot on another cam site to the tune of $500K per month for that many impressions. Half a million dollars on one ad buy on one platform... per month. And that cam site probably spends 4 or 5 times that amount per month on other ad and traffic buys. That's the kind of scale that some of the big sites are dealing on. It's virtually impossible to compete with something like that. It's not going to stop me from trying, but it's not an easy battle.

We're also running into the summer, which all of you know is the slack season for camming. People are going out with their families, the college age kids are not in their dorms... summers are statistically rough. It's slowed down a bit over the last few weeks on MFL. But it comes in cycles. It will pick back up soon enough. I'm also working on a marketing initiative. I ran into a friend of mine at Camming Con who let me know that he was no longer with the big box site that he was working for as some big mucky muck media buyer something or other the last we spoke. Point is, is that I'm in negotiations with him about bringing him on as a consultant. He really knows his stuff about marketing cam sites, so I think what he'll be able to offer will really help with our traffic. He's sending me over a proposal next week.

So all in all, yeah things are slow now, but they're slow everywhere you go. It's just that time of year. But after coming back from XBiz and CamCon, I feel really good about the direction we're going to be heading in. I just need to have all the meetings I've booked, and put all the little pieces together. It's a slow process growing a cam site, but we'll get there.

DonaDiabla
06-10-2016, 10:53 AM
Hey thegooddoctor,

I was wondering if cam models to your site could bring in their own traffic to your site? Also, I was wondering do you guys have an affiliate program :)



What it basically comes down to, is that the big box who don't specialize in anything in particular have a huge market share. They have multimillion dollar budgets and they can afford to pretty much bury everyone else's ads. For a bit of perspective, I'd like to share a stat I learned this past week while at XBiz/ Camming Con. One cam site buys an ad slot on another cam site to the tune of $500K per month for that many impressions. Half a million dollars on one ad buy on one platform... per month. And that cam site probably spends 4 or 5 times that amount per month on other ad and traffic buys. That's the kind of scale that some of the big sites are dealing on. It's virtually impossible to compete with something like that. It's not going to stop me from trying, but it's not an easy battle.

We're also running into the summer, which all of you know is the slack season for camming. People are going out with their families, the college age kids are not in their dorms... summers are statistically rough. It's slowed down a bit over the last few weeks on MFL. But it comes in cycles. It will pick back up soon enough. I'm also working on a marketing initiative. I ran into a friend of mine at Camming Con who let me know that he was no longer with the big box site that he was working for as some big mucky muck media buyer something or other the last we spoke. Point is, is that I'm in negotiations with him about bringing him on as a consultant. He really knows his stuff about marketing cam sites, so I think what he'll be able to offer will really help with our traffic. He's sending me over a proposal next week.

So all in all, yeah things are slow now, but they're slow everywhere you go. It's just that time of year. But after coming back from XBiz and CamCon, I feel really good about the direction we're going to be heading in. I just need to have all the meetings I've booked, and put all the little pieces together. It's a slow process growing a cam site, but we'll get there.

Tsani
06-11-2016, 09:52 PM
I know that the models have a referral link available in their account. As for affiliate program, I'm assuming that's what a Webmasters account is. The signup for that is here: https://www.myfetishlive.com/exec/webmaster/join and there's link in the footer of the site to the Webmasters account login.

CatBBW
06-27-2016, 07:27 AM
Hello :)

Q1) is Period Play ok? Because this isn't a violent act, isn't actually cutting or drawing blood, yet is seen as "obscene" in many areas of the adult industry (just as sanitary protection is seen as a "luxury item" here in England - grrr), and it attracts premium prices...



I have finally gotten round to finishing my application, and noticed in the rules that "menstruation excreta" (period blood) is not allowed. Were the rules updated and Period Play is a definite "NO" now?

Also - can I choose to be paid by check (as a non-US performer) or is it still just Paxum ($50) and Wire ($500)?

SylvySinclair
06-27-2016, 12:05 PM
i just took a look at the site and its my eyes, or i see only 5 girls online?

CatBBW
06-27-2016, 01:12 PM
i just took a look at the site and its my eyes, or i see only 5 girls online?

There were 2 earlier.

Snowy0Star
07-05-2016, 07:03 PM
just got this email for girls who dont have email notifications for them

Hello Everyone!

We are about to launch a brand new feature on My Fetish Live. You will now have the ability to sell video clips and photo sets through the website.

There are a couple of ways to do this.
1) When you signed up for your model accounts, under the questionaire section, you may have seen a checkbox labeled "Automatically save paid chat video and make them available for publishing/ sale." If you had this checked in your profile, you will have access to the video archives of your private sessions if you want to make them available for sale. It is not mandatory to have this checked, but it is highly recommended. This gives you access to the archives, even if you don't want to do anything with them. It's better to have access to them and not need them, then need them, and not have access to them. Checking this box now does not give you access to previous session archives. So any sessions recorded before the box was checked cannot be accessed.
2) You also have the ability to upload video clips and pictures to sell. You can title and set your own prices for each video in your personal clips store. This opens up additional revenue streams for you, and allows you to make money off of your previous sessions, whether you are on or offline. You can literally be making money in your sleep.

So how does this work?

In the gallery section of your profile you have 4 different tabs: Public pictures, private pictures, public videos, and private videos. You can move the video files back and forth between public and private sections, as well as show and hide the individual files. If they are in the private video section, you will have the option to set the price for the videos as well as enter a title. Make sure to set the price, title (keep it short) AND select the shows to be visible. The videos will be available for sale through your profile, as well as the main "store" page.

How to Make Videos Available for Purchase:
Go to the "Gallery" tab from the top menu, and select "Private Videos."


Click the link that says "Automatically Recorded."


You will now see a page that lists all of your private sessions.
You can click on the preview image to watch your video
To set the price enter a value in the box highlighted. Then click "Set Price." You MUST click "Set Price" or the price you entered will not save.


To enter a title simply type it in the box highlighted and click "Set Title." You MUST click "Set Title" or the text you entered will not save.


Now when someone goes to the gallery on your profile your video section will look something like this.


Be sure to keep your title short. Otherwise it will look something like this.


How To Upload Videos:
Go to the "Gallery" tab from the top menu, and select "Private Videos."


Got to the bottom of the page. Upload a video in the box featured. You can add a description if you like, and click "Upload" when you are done.


This same basic process can be repeated with photo sets.

We hope that this will add an additional revenue stream for you here at My Fetish Live. We strongly encourage all models to make use of this feature. We feel that it will benefit models by creating another way for your members to spend money on you. Please start uploading your video clips soon, so we can catch any possible problems before we officialy launch the store. If you have any questions, please email me at [email protected], and I'll be happy to answer them for you.

thegooddoctor
07-17-2016, 12:57 AM
Hello everyone,

Sorry I haven't replied in a while, but I don't check this site very often. A couple of points I'd like to make to answer some questions from this, and the other MFL thread that I can't reply to since I don't have a model account...

In no particular order:
1) Yes, menses play is ok behind the pay wall. If it says otherwise in the model agreement, that's boiler plate text that came with the software. I'll get around to updating that when I have time.
2) International models can be paid by Paxum, and by wire. By special request, other arrangements can be made, Having said that, I've run into a few nasty cases of fraud and collusion lately, so I'm not quite as willing to be too flexible about this. Wire minimum for international models is $500. It costs me $40 just to send an international wire. I'm not going to spend $40, on a $50 paycheck. That just makes no financial sense, as that's more than my entire profit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want an international wire, that's the minimum.
3) So, we're working on a number of projects to get more traffic to the site. I recently hired a marketing firm with experience with cam sites to assist. We'll see how that goes. To be honest, so far in our meetings, I'm hearing a lot of things that I knew already. A couple of the guys on the team are smart and insightful. Some are putzes. We'll see how things really work once we start rolling out what we're working on, such as...
4) We're going to be launching our new affiliate site pretty soon, as well as a model site with our model manual publicly available. We've had our affiliate program running since day one, but we're splitting that out to give it it's own site so we can put more info there in a more clear and concise manner. Same with the model site. That will have all our rules and regs, as well as some tips and tricks for camming, some tips on cyber security and how to protect your identity from stalkers, etc. Those will all be coming soon.
5) Someone mentioned having problems with members only wanting sub models on the site. We definitely do have clients that are both doms as well as subs. However, most of the submissive men on the site simply don't respond to the pro domme sitting in a chair, camera pointed at their legs, and refusing to talk until they're in private. I'm sorry, but the customers on the site want a bit more engagement than that. My girlfriend is primarily submissive, but she gets lots of call for domme sessions. You just have to engage the clients on a personal level. Gone are the days where you can just sit in a chair and get paid for looking pretty. There's too much competition for that. Be engaging, be fun. That will go a lot further, and you'll make far more money than sitting in a chair looking bored.
6) We recently launched our first white label site, and we're working on finalizing our design for our second. The first one is for a pee fetish forum, that inquired about our affiliate program, and the next one is a new site for clown fetishists. Yeah, I know I get the weird ones first, but they just fell into my lap. I'm doing some research on other bdsm/ fetish community sites that may be interested in having their own cam site. For fem dommes, if you know of any that you think might be interested in a free cam site geared specifically towards fetish and bdsm, I'd love to hear about them. They tend to bring their own traffic, so if that's the clients you're looking for, then those are the people we want to entice to the site.
7) We're working on a few other things that I can't talk about yet.
8) I know I had more, but its almost 4 am, so my brain is done for the evening.

DonaDiabla
07-17-2016, 01:56 AM
Hello Good Doctor,

I have a few questions about the site.

1. How should femdoms openly engage submissives on your site?

2. Are you going to one of your free cam sites target findoms and those in the financial domination world?

3. Will you be developing the whole sugar baby/sugar daddy category more?

4. I get a lot of guys wanting me to play the nymphet....I was just wondering is that apart of ABDL or little/daddy dom scene?

5. Will you be adding any new categories?

Thanks for your answers.



Hello everyone,

Sorry I haven't replied in a while, but I don't check this site very often. A couple of points I'd like to make to answer some questions from this, and the other MFL thread that I can't reply to since I don't have a model account...

In no particular order:
1) Yes, menses play is ok behind the pay wall. If it says otherwise in the model agreement, that's boiler plate text that came with the software. I'll get around to updating that when I have time.
2) International models can be paid by Paxum, and by wire. By special request, other arrangements can be made, Having said that, I've run into a few nasty cases of fraud and collusion lately, so I'm not quite as willing to be too flexible about this. Wire minimum for international models is $500. It costs me $40 just to send an international wire. I'm not going to spend $40, on a $50 paycheck. That just makes no financial sense, as that's more than my entire profit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want an international wire, that's the minimum.
3) So, we're working on a number of projects to get more traffic to the site. I recently hired a marketing firm with experience with cam sites to assist. We'll see how that goes. To be honest, so far in our meetings, I'm hearing a lot of things that I knew already. A couple of the guys on the team are smart and insightful. Some are putzes. We'll see how things really work once we start rolling out what we're working on, such as...
4) We're going to be launching our new affiliate site pretty soon, as well as a model site with our model manual publicly available. We've had our affiliate program running since day one, but we're splitting that out to give it it's own site so we can put more info there in a more clear and concise manner. Same with the model site. That will have all our rules and regs, as well as some tips and tricks for camming, some tips on cyber security and how to protect your identity from stalkers, etc. Those will all be coming soon.
5) Someone mentioned having problems with members only wanting sub models on the site. We definitely do have clients that are both doms as well as subs. However, most of the submissive men on the site simply don't respond to the pro domme sitting in a chair, camera pointed at their legs, and refusing to talk until they're in private. I'm sorry, but the customers on the site want a bit more engagement than that. My girlfriend is primarily submissive, but she gets lots of call for domme sessions. You just have to engage the clients on a personal level. Gone are the days where you can just sit in a chair and get paid for looking pretty. There's too much competition for that. Be engaging, be fun. That will go a lot further, and you'll make far more money than sitting in a chair looking bored.
6) We recently launched our first white label site, and we're working on finalizing our design for our second. The first one is for a pee fetish forum, that inquired about our affiliate program, and the next one is a new site for clown fetishists. Yeah, I know I get the weird ones first, but they just fell into my lap. I'm doing some research on other bdsm/ fetish community sites that may be interested in having their own cam site. For fem dommes, if you know of any that you think might be interested in a free cam site geared specifically towards fetish and bdsm, I'd love to hear about them. They tend to bring their own traffic, so if that's the clients you're looking for, then those are the people we want to entice to the site.
7) We're working on a few other things that I can't talk about yet.
8) I know I had more, but its almost 4 am, so my brain is done for the evening.

thegooddoctor
07-17-2016, 01:19 PM
Hello Good Doctor,

I have a few questions about the site.

1. How should femdoms openly engage submissives on your site?

2. Are you going to one of your free cam sites target findoms and those in the financial domination world?

3. Will you be developing the whole sugar baby/sugar daddy category more?

4. I get a lot of guys wanting me to play the nymphet....I was just wondering is that apart of ABDL or little/daddy dom scene?

5. Will you be adding any new categories?

Thanks for your answers.

To answer your questions:
1) In my experience, just be real to them. You can be a D-type and not be made of stone. Trust me, the s-types are everywhere. You can intimdate the crap out of them once they're paying you, but if you just hang out and talk to them like people, I've found that will go really far. I'm not a pro-domme myself, but that's what I've seen. Models who are friendly tend to do better. The customers and models here are close knit. They want to form lasting and long term (business) relationships with you. They want to know "the real you" for whatever that is worth. So let them know a bit about Mistress So and So. We both know that there's a big difference between who YOU are and who you play on camera. Flesh out your "character" a bit and be friendly. S-types know enough not to mistake friendliness for weakness. Once you're behind the pay wall with them, then switch gears.
2) Are you asking if I'm going to approach a findom site about having a camming white label? I'm certainly not opposed to it. If you know one that would like one, I'd be happy to get in touch with them. Personally, Findomme is not my forte, so I really don't know too much about the sites that strive to market to that niche. Point me in the right direction of one, and I'll pitch to them.
3) See above.
4) Yeah... we get a lot of AB/DL's. We're one of the only places that actually ALLOWS it, so they tend to soak up any content they can get. They're a little weird, but harmless. Plus some of our models who are ab/dls themselves are the ones who are the most adept at social media, so they tend to pull a lot of people in that way too. If you're not comfortable doing what they're asking, just tell them no. They'll get the hint eventually. If you're new, they're all going to flock to you to see if you are an ab/dl, but they eventually figure out that's not your bag. I have one model who HATES ab/dl's. She'll start mouthing off to them if they even come into her room. Most learn pretty quickly who they can approach and who they can't.
5) I will add in any category that you like, within reason. A while ago, I had one girl sign up who did hair fetish. Never heard that one before, but she wanted it. Added it immediately for her. Easy peasy.

CatBBW
07-18-2016, 09:05 AM
Thanks thegooddoctor. I really appreciate you taking time to answer our Qs and give us info about the behind the scenes stuff.

CatBBW
07-19-2016, 07:11 AM
QUESTION TO THE LADIES / PERFORMERS - how are you getting on here? Is the money out there?

thegooddoctor
07-19-2016, 11:04 AM
QUESTION TO THE LADIES / PERFORMERS - how are you getting on here? Is the money out there?

Some of the models do well. Some... not so much. Social media is your friend. Be sure to add me on twitter, and if you tweet @myfetishlive that you'll be online, I'll retweet you. The days are going to be quite a bit slower than the nights. Also you have to keep in mind that while our traffic is slow, it's very dense, conversion ratio wise. We usually don't get a lot of beggars, but that also means that we don't have a ton of guests floating around either. On other sites, they just throw a whole bunch of traffic at the site and see what sticks. The traffic we have is very targeted. So there will be less of it, but when people do come into your room you're more likely to run into a member who's a paying member.

We're not totally without beggars though. My members are very well behaved and know better. However, our site is part of a network of sites that can share models and traffic. Our models get broadcast out and get pulled in by other sites. A couple of which, are cam sites in Easterrn Europe. The members you see on the site from something-stan in Eastern Europe, they beg a bit, but they usually go away after you tell them no. Feel free to kick or ignore them. On occasion you'll find one that tips, but not often.

SuperPookie
07-29-2016, 12:34 AM
I just got a email saying that they will be uploading videos from our privates to Porn Hub for advertising purposes. Uum no, I try very hard to not get vids of me on there lol. Plus guys on PH are already looking for free crap hence why they're on Porn Hub. I get plenty of freeloading twat waffles without going out of my way to get more :/. The Doctor did however give us the option to opt out at least which I certainly will be doing.

Tsani
07-29-2016, 06:22 AM
I just got a email saying that they will be uploading videos from our privates to Porn Hub for advertising purposes. Uum no, I try very hard to not get vids of me on there lol. Plus guys on PH are already looking for free crap hence why they're on Porn Hub. I get plenty of freeloading twat waffles without going out of my way to get more :/. The Doctor did however give us the option to opt out at least which I certainly will be doing.

Yep I got this email last night and promptly opted out and told him I thought it should be opt-in only because some people may not get the email or might ignore it because although it said "Important!" in the subject line they might not now HOW important. I'd be incredibly pissed if I found my private sessions on Porn Hub because I didn't fully read an email they sent or it went to my junk mail or something.

CatBBW
07-29-2016, 07:05 AM
I'm not happy about this. I have opted out.

Serena-Shields
07-29-2016, 12:10 PM
Yeah, I think this definitely should have been an opt-in thing instead of an opt-out thing. I'm interested to see what this will do with traffic, though.

SuperPookie
08-01-2016, 01:03 PM
Has anyone noticed a difference ? I haven't been on since he's done it.

sexysusie
08-03-2016, 06:10 AM
I just got a email saying that they will be uploading videos from our privates to Porn Hub for advertising purposes. Uum no, I try very hard to not get vids of me on there lol. Plus guys on PH are already looking for free crap hence why they're on Porn Hub. I get plenty of freeloading twat waffles without going out of my way to get more :/. The Doctor did however give us the option to opt out at least which I certainly will be doing.
That is disgusting. I honestly thought this guy was already the lowest he could get what with sitting in on privates, now he's putting them on tube sites. Wow!

SuperPookie
08-03-2016, 11:38 AM
^^^ He sits in on privates !? I'm not on much but I don't think he's ever done that to me. He's just stopped in my room in Free Chat and said hi and stuff but nothing creepy.

CatBBW
08-03-2016, 12:57 PM
^^^ He sits in on privates !? I'm not on much but I don't think he's ever done that to me. He's just stopped in my room in Free Chat and said hi and stuff but nothing creepy.

Yeah he did that with me in freechat when I first cammed there. Had a bit of a chat (there was no one else in the room) and talked about my suggestion (having the choice of a static pic for your uploaded movies in case there's graphic content).

Tsani
08-03-2016, 09:41 PM
Aw damn I didn't know about the coming into privates thing. Free chat is one thing but if I saw him in my room during a private I'd probably get really uncomfortable and that doesn't make for a very good performance. So, is he just taking models private to show them the features and chat with them or is he actually popping in during a private with another customer?

Also, I'm surprised he hasn't popped in to this thread to check up on it or post since making the tube site announcement. His last tweet (that wasn't a retweet) was saying to check your email for an important announcement so maybe he didn't want it made public but still, he had to know we'd be talking about it here.

SuperPookie
08-13-2016, 02:58 PM
^^^You're right, I would of thought he would have stopped by and talked about it.
How do you keep guests from entering your room on here?

thegooddoctor
08-25-2016, 09:14 AM
I do NOT sit in on private chats. Susie is just talking smack and has no idea what she's talking about.

Regarding the Porn Hub thing... I'll be happy to discuss that, and my reasoning behind it. First of all, you won't have seen any difference yet, because I haven't started the Porn Hub thing yet. I'm still putting the channel together, creating the bumpers to the videos, etc. More importantly, I'm not putting ALL, or even most, of the privates up. I'm picking a few to advertise the site. I literally have over 1500 archived sessions, and I'm maybe going to pick out 5 to start, plus one or two a week to keep the content fresh.

I understand the concern that "it's giving away content for free! No one's going to want to pay for it." Believe me, that was my first reaction to the concept as well. But I spoke to a number of producers, and MODELS who have their own porn hub channels. It DOES increase paying traffic, significantly. Yeah, sure, you'll get a bunch of free fappers looking at a couple of pieces of content from the site. But they weren't going to pay for content in the first place, so you're not losing anything there. But let's look at the statistics. PH has an Alexa rating of 63. They account for a not so insubstantial portion of the entire world's internet traffic. I don't just mean porn here. I mean ALL of the internet's traffic. As per PH's 2015 Year in Review, Pornhub gets roughly 2.4 MILLION hits per HOUR. That's 57.6 MILLION hits per day. A good conversion rate for anything is about 0.1% to 1%. Let's say we do a promo and we have a video on the home page and we get one 10,000th of that standard low end "good conversion rate" of one tenth of a percent (0.1%) that amount to become a paying member. That's 0.00001%. That still about 58 new PAYING members per day. Especially because we don't have thousands of models on at any given time, there's not a ton of competition for these new members dollars who would have no idea who you were otherwise. Oh, and I also have the ability to specifically target where the links from PH go to. If you have a video of you that's being viewed, and you're currently online, when they click through that banner, they go directly to your room. The model gets that traffic directly. These numbers don't lie. Giving out a handful of free videos is a small price to pay for how much growth PH can offer. AND when we start to get a return on the traffic, I'm going to start PAYING models to produce these "private show" videos for the channel, so the production quality goes up, so not only will you receive the benefit of getting a ton of traffic dumped directly into your room, but you'll also get paid for me to advertise you, specifically, too.

Yes, I could have made it an opt in, instead of an opt out. But I didn't, and I had a good reason for it. Believe me, I struggled with that decision for a week before I wrote that email. As I said a while ago in either this, or another thread (I don't recall where exactly), camming is a massive machine. Models only get to see a tiny part of it. But there's a lot that goes on, in running a cam site that models just aren't privy to. But that's ok. Someone working at the register of a store doesn't NEED to know which trucking company delivers the produce to the regional distribution center. It's just not relevant to what you do with your day. But I like to be transparent. Even if it's not a popular decision, I tell people what I do. All cam sites archive shows. Legally, they have to. They just don't tell you about it. Many big sites have porn hub channels, or similar channels elsewhere. Most don't even tell their models about it, let alone even give them the opportunity to opt out. They just force their models to do it, whether they like it or not. Look, I don't like giving out free content any more than any of you do. But the site needs to grow, and this works. I've broken down where my dollar goes. There just isn't a lot of money set aside from that dollar to go to buying traffic, which doesn't guarantee to be paying anyway. So I need to do something that's cheap or free, and highly targeted. I'm certainly open for suggestions, but I can't think of a better way to advertise YOU, than to show YOU to them, with a banner that says "want to see more of model X? Click here to talk to her LIVE."

audritwo
08-25-2016, 10:33 AM
Dude... If models don't want their PAID shows to be seen for free, then give them the option to opt-in. The option to opt out is slimy because what if it goes unnotice and the girl freaks out cause her vagina is splattered all over PH. Also, PH has a monetization thing, I doubt any models are gonna see a cent from that. Most models don't want their content on there because it will be there FOREVER. Most people don't want their past of porn lurking in the shadows. This is probably going to scare away models from using your site.


Susie does know what she is talking about, fuck off. You are so fucking condescending. You don't think we don't know what it takes to run a camsite? FUCK OFF. Seriously fuck off. I'm pretty sure months ago we were telling you need to start getting better traffic and you didn't take us seriously. Now you are schooling us on our fucking Industry.

audritwo
08-25-2016, 10:40 AM
If you can't think of a better way to advertise then PH, then wow. Learn social marketing. Start branching out that way.

IvyAdams
08-25-2016, 10:52 AM
"Susie is just talking smack and has no idea what she's talking about."

Dude.

"camming is a massive machine. Models only get to see a tiny part of it."

DUDE.

"But there's a lot that goes on, in running a cam site that models just aren't privy to. But that's ok. Someone working at the register of a store doesn't NEED to know which trucking company delivers the produce to the regional distribution center. It's just not relevant to what you do with your day."

!!DUDE!!

"Many big sites have porn hub channels, or similar channels elsewhere. Most don't even tell their models about it, let alone even give them the opportunity to opt out. They just force their models to do it, whether they like it or not."

First of all, your professionalism about dragging a model who criticizes your platform is truly astounding. Truly.

This is the number one problem with people coming onto model forums and making horrible generalizations about what our job actually is. This post is one of the most condescending things, honestly. How DARE you have the audacity to say that models don't know about camming. Just because a singer doesn't play all the instruments doesn't mean they don't understand how to read music. Any successful model (which by the way, there are a multitude of on this forum) will know the ins and outs of the camming industry. It seems to me that it's you who doesn't think that you need to understand how the other side of the industry you're trying to make money from works, but we realize the importance of being informed in all aspects.

This is the type of shit that drives me absolutely insane. "They just force their models to do it, whether they like it or not" Seriously? In this day and age it is extremely naive of you to assume that models need to be on any site that is going to try and force them into doing ANYTHING. We drive our own traffic, we have our own fanbases. Social media makes that possible for us. It will be a sad day when those of you who are old school and refuse to adapt FINALLY come around and realize that you need to start treating models like business partners instead of dumb hoes that bring you money, because at that point, trust and believe that there will be no models left willing to work with you.

NovaSensei
08-25-2016, 11:09 AM
Its really cool that we can add our fetlife link :)

thegooddoctor
08-25-2016, 12:54 PM
Susie does know what she is talking about, fuck off. You are so fucking condescending. You don't think we don't know what it takes to run a camsite? FUCK OFF. Seriously fuck off. I'm pretty sure months ago we were telling you need to start getting better traffic and you didn't take us seriously. Now you are schooling us on our fucking Industry.

Susie tries to lambast me claiming that I'm perving to your private shows. I don't, and she has no proof that I do. She's never cammed on my site. She's just still butt hurt because I didn't want to work with someone she had a good experience with. I got a bad vibe from the guy, and a lot of other people recommended that I stay away from him, so I said so. So practically every time I post on this site, or a post is made about my site, she feels the need to bring her drama llama. I'm sorry if it's dismissive, but I can assure you that it's not directed at anyone but her, personally, because I'm done listening to her childish temper tantrum of making shit up.

And I do social media marketing. It's a great medium. I'm looking to do other things as well that move a bit faster. This is ONE of my endeavors.


"camming is a massive machine. Models only get to see a tiny part of it." DUDE.

This is the number one problem with people coming onto model forums and making horrible generalizations about what our job actually is. This post is one of the most condescending things, honestly. How DARE you have the audacity to say that models don't know about camming. Just because a singer doesn't play all the instruments doesn't mean they don't understand how to read music. Any successful model (which by the way, there are a multitude of on this forum) will know the ins and outs of the camming industry. It seems to me that it's you who doesn't think that you need to understand how the other side of the industry you're trying to make money from works, but we realize the importance of being informed in all aspects. [/QUOTE]

Really? When's the last time your average cam model has been in a data center because a server died on you? How often do cam models go to Internext or XBiz and have meetings with a traffic broker or an ad network? I'm not saying you don't know your side of the business. I'm just telling you that there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most cam models aren't even aware of. Now YOU might KNOW a bit more than most, because you run a Streamate White Label, but what goes on in Streammate's offices is just not part of your day to day, and I think it's a little condescending for YOU to tell me how MY job works, because I'm telling you that there's more to it than meets the eye.

And I do know the business from in front of the camera just as well as I know this side. You seem to think I've never been on cam before. That is an untrue assumption. I know how it works from your side of things. I cammed before. I've sat in dead rooms for hours. I've been asked to do things that I wasn't comfortable with, but needed the money, so I did it anyway. Don't think you know me, just because THIS is all you've seen of me, on this site. Don't be sexist. Just because I don't have tits doesn't meant that I don't know what being a cam model is like.


This is the type of shit that drives me absolutely insane. "They just force their models to do it, whether they like it or not" Seriously? In this day and age it is extremely naive of you to assume that models need to be on any site that is going to try and force them into doing ANYTHING.

Yeah. They do. Most cam sites force a lot of shit down your throat and you're not even aware of it, because they don't tell you that they're doing it. Ivy, you have a Streamate WL. OK. Let's discuss streamate. They put their on pornhub, redtube, youporn, spankwire, and a dozen other sites. Check out Streamate's affiliate program at cambuilder.com and look at their "partners" section. Do they tell you, as a cam model, that they do that? No. They don't. They just do it. You sign away your rights when you sign up to be a model for them. Now, this is not to speak ill of Streamate in any way shape or form. I think they're a great company that puts out a solid product. I only bring them up since your site is a WL for them. You're part of that machine, and their platform does this. The only difference here, is that I actually TELL my models what I'm doing to try to get them more traffic. And that makes me sleazy? Come on.


We drive our own traffic, we have our own fanbases. Social media makes that possible for us. It will be a sad day when those of you who are old school and refuse to adapt FINALLY come around and realize that you need to start treating models like business partners instead of dumb hoes that bring you money, because at that point, trust and believe that there will be no models left willing to work with you.[/B]

Some models do drive their own traffic and have their own fanbases. I've never denied that. Hell, MFL wouldn't have survived our first 6 months without those dedicated fans. But you can't make that generalization that ALL models drive all of their own traffic to the extent that you don't need traffic provided by the cam site. Otherwise, I wouldn't have models asking me "where's the traffic? Why is my room dead?" Are you saying that every model on THIS site who complains that their room is dead sucks as a cam model and that they don't have a fan base to support them? No. That's not what you're saying at all. At least I'd hope not. The fact of the matter is that there's a symbiotic relationship between the cam site and the cam model. A cam site, especially small or new ones, can't survive on just dumping money into traffic. They need models to bring in some traffic for themselves. Conversely, a model can't just rely on only her fans to support her. It takes a TON of work on both of our parts for you, as a cam model, to be successful. If you could just do it on your own (not you, specifically- the more generalized "you"), then why are you paying Streamate some 65-70% of your earnings? Because they provide something for you, that you don't have, and it's more than just a platform. You can get a free individual cam site. You can use skype or sky private, or a dozen other services out there. Why do you work on a specific platform? Because of TRAFFIC. And that traffic comes from somewhere. That traffic comes from the business side of things, buying traffic wholesale, buying ads and pop ups and pop unders, doing social media and yes, giving a tiny bit of content away for free. I'm not the first person in the world to think of this. I didn't even like the idea until I did the math on it and actually talked to models who have their own channels who said to me "yes. Pornhub works at generating paid traffic." I asked multiple models I know, and that was CONSISTENTLY the answer I was given.

But this isn't about whether or not Pornhub works as a marketing tool. The offense here, is because it's an opt out, and not an opt in. That's fine. I get it. But it's not like it's hard to hit reply and type "I'd like to opt out." I wasn't making it an intentionally difficult process to do. In fact, I made it that simple to opt out on purpose. Furthermore, I do have control over that content once it's up. If I put up a clip of a model and who didn't bother to read the email, found it later, and asked me to take it down, of course I would respect her wishes and take it down immediately. Look, Facebook makes changes to their TOU all the time where you need to opt out of whatever security change they've made and whatever they're demanding rights to of your personal information, and no one ever says a word about it. Most people don't bother to read it and they just have to accept it. At least I made the effort to say to my models in very plain terms "hey, this is what I'm doing. Here's why I'm doing it and how I hope it will benefit you. If you don't like idea, let me know, and I won't include you." Yes. I could have worded it as "if you'd like to be included, let me know," but you know what? I didn't say it that way because no one would have opted in. Because at first glance, it seems counter intuitive and stupid. That's how I looked at it initially too. But the fact of the matter is that it DOES work, so I phrased it like "does anyone mind if I use a couple of these files that are cluttering up my server, and I'm paying for the storage of to try to bring you more traffic?" And again, it's not like every single private is going up on porn hub. I'm taking a small handful of shows. Not even a handful from each model. A few shows TOTAL, because I have an opportunity to get the site featured on the front page of the biggest porn site in the world, which will create a TON of awareness of the site and the models that work there to people that don't even know MFL exists. That kind of free advertising, in the long run, is well worth the cost of a few pieces of content. But don't berate me because of how I phrased the question, when the big sites just take without your consent at all. I respect my models enough to ask, and I find it insulting that you're insinuating that I don't.

IvyAdams
08-25-2016, 01:53 PM
~I'm not trying to come across as condescending, nor am I telling you how your job works. The only thing I was voicing on was how your comments came across. Just because models don't actually DO part of a job doesn't mean they don't understand what it takes to run it.

~LOL to me being sexist. Where did I even bring up anything about you being a male? There's a reason I say "model" and not "woman". YOU are the one who assumed I was saying you needed tits. Get real. I don't even identify as a "feminist" so your statement is laughable. Your comments prove my point. The ONLY thing I was saying was to not generalize what models may or may not know. Just like you're now asking me not to do with you.

~I'm also not arguing the fact that the sites force models to do things. I was saying it's ridiculous for models to allow that to happen. Also, saying Streamate doesn't inform models is incorrect. Streamate makes it clear how to opt out of all affiliate marketing including being posted on tube sites. You don't sign away your rights when signing a contract. Signing a contract with a cam site is the equivalent of renting their platform. They have rules and guidelines for you to follow just like an apartment would when you rent. Do you sign away your rights to ownership of what you're streaming while on their platform? Sure you do, but even at that level you have the right to geoblock and opt out to keep anonymity.

~I totally agree that all models don't drive their own traffic, and I'm not saying that the big box cam site doesn't bring most of the traffic when you are camming on it. My point was that the most successful models, the ones who will convert and bring you the most money, the ones who you should WANT to be working on your site DO have the ability to go elsewhere. They don't need to be forced to do anything and it would be ridiculous for them to allow such a thing to happen. I am completely with you on there being a symbiotic relationship. That's what my whole point was. Business partners. Equals. Different parts of a well oiled machine.

~Honestly, I have no comments about the marketing on Pornhub, I understand that side of it 100%. I market on Pornhub myself because I see the value in it, and my white label gets conversions without a doubt from doing so. I don't think you're doing anything other than what makes sense from a business standpoint there. My response was purely to the comments that came across as down talking models. Whether you meant it that way or not, that IS how it read, and quite frankly that was what I found insulting.

It's not your intent, it's the way you delivered. Also, come on man. This wasn't an attack on you personally. None of the posts on here are. I assume when we are on an industry forum, that we can have a conversation back and forth about your business, and your actions/words that reflect your business, without making it about you as a person. If you expect models to sign up and use your site, you need to expect the criticism (whether founded or not) that comes along with it, and be able to hold YOUR professionalism through all of it. Surely you know that.

audritwo
08-25-2016, 02:03 PM
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thegooddoctor
08-25-2016, 04:19 PM
~I'm not trying to come across as condescending, nor am I telling you how your job works. The only thing I was voicing on was how your comments came across. Just because models don't actually DO part of a job doesn't mean they don't understand what it takes to run it.

Ah. That's a very interesting point. But do they? There are definitely some very savvy models out there who understand more than just the camming aspect of it. But do *all* or even *most* models fall into that category? No. The vast majority do not. They go online. People magically show up in their room. They cam. They collect their paycheck. That's it. I know this as fact, because I talk to models every day about my end of the job, and most are sincierely surprised by what I tell them goes into it. I wish there were more models who were interested in the business side of things. Events like Camming Con and XBiz and AVN and Internext would be 10x bigger than they currently are. But the sad truth is that most just don't care because it's above their pay scale. It's understandable. It doesn't affect most models who work for big box sites. They can skate by on the traffic the site provides and they make enough to get by. Most cam girls have other jobs. And either way, most of the info on the business side of things... simply isn't readily available to most models. When's the last time you saw the CEO of Streamate or MFC on one of these boards talking to you? I'd venture to say never. They sit in their offices and read the Wall St. Journal. They don't feel the need to share with you all the corporate crap because 1) a lot of it is proprietary and 2) they don't want to listen to models complaining when they learn how things actually work and don't like the picture they see. But I'm not a CEO. I'm just a guy who worked on in front of a camera just like you. The ship sank, and I pulled up some floor boards and built a life raft.


~LOL to me being sexist. Where did I even bring up anything about you being a male? There's a reason I say "model" and not "woman". YOU are the one who assumed I was saying you needed tits. Get real. I don't even identify as a "feminist" so your statement is laughable. Your comments prove my point. The ONLY thing I was saying was to not generalize what models may or may not know. Just like you're now asking me not to do with you.

What you're responding to there was supposed to be half sardonic and half sarcastic. Sorry that it got lost in translation a bit. I type the way I talk. Voice inflection doesn't translate well into text. BUT, you did say this...


It seems to me that it's you who doesn't think that you need to understand how the other side of the industry you're trying to make money from works, but we realize the importance of being informed in all aspects.

My response wasn't about making a generalization. You're very specific in referring to ME as feeling that I don't need to know how the other side of the industry works. And THAT, I was responding to by my statement that I do, in fact, understand the model side of the industry, and that YOU are making a generalization that I do not, without knowing more about me. So I don't mean to split hairs here... but hello pot, meet kettle. The take home from this is don't assume that just because I own a cam site that I've never been in front of a camera, because I have.


~I'm also not arguing the fact that the sites force models to do things.

That's exactly what you were trying to argue.


I was saying it's ridiculous for models to allow that to happen. Also, saying Streamate doesn't inform models is incorrect. Streamate makes it clear how to opt out of all affiliate marketing including being posted on tube sites. You don't sign away your rights when signing a contract. Signing a contract with a cam site is the equivalent of renting their platform. They have rules and guidelines for you to follow just like an apartment would when you rent. Do you sign away your rights to ownership of what you're streaming while on their platform? Sure you do, but even at that level you have the right to geoblock and opt out to keep anonymity.

I've never worked for streamate, so I don't know what their manual says. I know F4F buried all of that in small print, and even so was ridiculous in the opt out process. All privates were put up for sale and you could only opt out of 25% of them. Tube site presence was nonnegotiable. If they wanted to post your private on one of their tube sites, they could, and would, without your consent, and that DMCA's were not inforceable because they owned the rights to that content. That last part isn't in their manual, but rather from one of their reps mouths on a conference call we all had with F4F prior to the KL move. They also don't allow you to opt out of being on any of their WL's, regardless of what it was named. I didn't exactly feel comfortable being on camprostitutes.com (one of F4F's WL's), but had no choice in the matter. It was that or I could find somewhere else to work. So yeah, they do force you to do a lot of stuff without your consent, and there's nothing you can do about it.


~I totally agree that all models don't drive their own traffic, and I'm not saying that the big box cam site doesn't bring most of the traffic when you are camming on it. My point was that the most successful models, the ones who will convert and bring you the most money, the ones who you should WANT to be working on your site DO have the ability to go elsewhere. They don't need to be forced to do anything and it would be ridiculous for them to allow such a thing to happen. I am completely with you on there being a symbiotic relationship. That's what my whole point was. Business partners. Equals. Different parts of a well oiled machine.

I agree with 90% of that statement. But at the end of the day, my models are not my business partners. Partners take equal responsibility. Models are contract employees. If I get a charge back, I'm the one responsible for it. Those models still get paid. If a model does something that a credit card company deems "obscene" I'm the one who gets to pay the $30,000 nonnegotiable fine from Mastercard. I'm the one who has to pay for the software, the hosting, the marketing materials, the graphic designers... Aside from the financial aspect of it, which is easiest to use as an example because it's quantifiable, when the site goes down, or there's a glitch and someone gets dumped out of private, do the models take responsibility for that? No. I'm the one who gets blamed even if (and occasionally especially so) it was something that happened while I was sleeping. It's a TON of responsibility that gets put on me, that models never see or deal with. Models are only responsibile for their own livlihood. I'm responsible for ALL of their livlihoods. But the bottom line is that someone needs to be the captain of the ship. I put in the time to build it. I get to wear the hat. So, while I do like the idea of an egalitarian relationship there in theory, no, models are not my business partners. They're the crew. Every single one is important, but it's just not a democracy. I'm sorry. I don't want this to come across as condescending in any way. But I'm the one who has to make the decision to say to a model (and this is a true story here) "No. It's not ok for you to shit in a diaper in free chat. I don't care that someone wants to pay you $100 for it. You can't do that on camera in free chat." That's not an equal partnership if I need to have that conversation.


~Honestly, I have no comments about the marketing on Pornhub, I understand that side of it 100%. I market on Pornhub myself because I see the value in it, and my white label gets conversions without a doubt from doing so. I don't think you're doing anything other than what makes sense from a business standpoint there. My response was purely to the comments that came across as down talking models. Whether you meant it that way or not, that IS how it read, and quite frankly that was what I found insulting.

It's not your intent, it's the way you delivered. Also, come on man. This wasn't an attack on you personally. None of the posts on here are. I assume when we are on an industry forum, that we can have a conversation back and forth about your business, and your actions/words that reflect your business, without making it about you as a person. If you expect models to sign up and use your site, you need to expect the criticism (whether founded or not) that comes along with it, and be able to hold YOUR professionalism through all of it. Surely you know that.

Thank you for again verifying that PH DOES work to get conversions. I hope that someone saying so here will take some of the wind out of the sails of that argument and why I'm a terrible person for even suggesting it.

I understand and I don't take what you are saying as a personal attack. You've been very professional in speaking with me. However, certain others DO make it a personal attack, and it's hard not to take it personally when someone calls you "disgusting," "slimy," "the lowest," or directly tells you to "seriously, fuck off." I do have a right to defend myself, and I'm not going to take shit from someone who thinks they can get away with calling me that. If that makes me condescending or an asshole, fine. I'll live with that. I'm a person first, before I'm the owner of a website.

Tsani
08-25-2016, 08:16 PM
I don't doubt that PH gets conversions, I know it's a great marketing tool, my concern is privacy of models who choose to keep their online presence low-key. Those with geoblocks, those who prefer to only cam on certain niche cam sites and not be on a mainstream porn site that gets millions of hits per day so that it's more likely they're going to be seen by friends or family. Most of us aren't "out" and we value our privacy very much. Some of us are very selective with what sites we're on and like to have as much control of our online presence as possible. I know there are some models who would love the opportunity for the added traffic and I don't think it's true that nobody would opt in. My concern is those who didn't get the email or new sign ups who don't read the fine print.

thegooddoctor
08-25-2016, 08:55 PM
I don't doubt that PH gets conversions, I know it's a great marketing tool, my concern is privacy of models who choose to keep their online presence low-key. Those with geoblocks, those who prefer to only cam on certain niche cam sites and not be on a mainstream porn site that gets millions of hits per day so that it's more likely they're going to be seen by friends or family. Most of us aren't "out" and we value our privacy very much. Some of us are very selective with what sites we're on and like to have as much control of our online presence as possible. I know there are some models who would love the opportunity for the added traffic and I don't think it's true that nobody would opt in. My concern is those who didn't get the email or new sign ups who don't read the fine print.

Tsani, I understand your concern, but that's exactly why I gave the option to easily opt out. The email did have the words IMPORTANT PLEASE READ in the subject. I can't be responsible if a model ignores an email titled IMPORTANT PLEASE READ. And as for new models, those aren't going to be the models I'll be picking from for the initial batch of videos, and when I need more, hopefully I'll have started to see an uptick in traffic coming from PH by then, and I'm just going to approach a model and say "hey, I'd like to pay you to do a video that looks like a private cam show strictly for the PH channel. I'll pay your normal private rate of $x a min. and the video will link back to your room so you get more traffic."

Look, there's very little that I can possibly say here that people aren't just going to pick apart anyway, so I doubt I'll be posting on this board often if at all any more. If anyone wants to ask me questions they can get in touch with me directly at [email protected] Please give that to anyone who does have questions about this site.

For the record, I am truly doing the best I can to do right by my models, and I do hope that is apparent.

SuperPookie
08-26-2016, 06:17 PM
^^^we do really appreciate you taking the time to discuss things with us :).

DancesWithSloths
08-27-2016, 04:58 AM
But at the end of the day, my models are not my business partners. Partners take equal responsibility. Models are contract employees.

Models are your customers. You're supplying a b2b service.

thegooddoctor
08-27-2016, 02:22 PM
Models are your customers. You're supplying a b2b service.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you, because that is patently incorrect. Customers give money to a cam site in exchange for credits that they redeem for a service. Customers are not the recipients of payroll or end of the year tax forms. Customers don't get promoted to bring more business to them. Models work in exchange for credits from the customer. The model doesn't process credit cards. The model doesn't physically sell credits to the customers. The cam site takes care of that. That's part of the infrastructure that the cam site provides. The customers redeem those "credits" for a paycheck, and are taxed by the government on the income they take home. They receive promotional consideration by the cam site to bring more customers to them. That, by definition, is an employee. They're *contract* employees, but they're employees, nonetheless.

DonaDiabla
08-27-2016, 02:44 PM
Okay, thegooddoctor, did Pornhub increase the traffic on MyFetishLive? I am asking because I was curious about if Pornhub helps bring in more clients to the models.





I do NOT sit in on private chats. Susie is just talking smack and has no idea what she's talking about.

Regarding the Porn Hub thing... I'll be happy to discuss that, and my reasoning behind it. First of all, you won't have seen any difference yet, because I haven't started the Porn Hub thing yet. I'm still putting the channel together, creating the bumpers to the videos, etc. More importantly, I'm not putting ALL, or even most, of the privates up. I'm picking a few to advertise the site. I literally have over 1500 archived sessions, and I'm maybe going to pick out 5 to start, plus one or two a week to keep the content fresh.

I understand the concern that "it's giving away content for free! No one's going to want to pay for it." Believe me, that was my first reaction to the concept as well. But I spoke to a number of producers, and MODELS who have their own porn hub channels. It DOES increase paying traffic, significantly. Yeah, sure, you'll get a bunch of free fappers looking at a couple of pieces of content from the site. But they weren't going to pay for content in the first place, so you're not losing anything there. But let's look at the statistics. PH has an Alexa rating of 63. They account for a not so insubstantial portion of the entire world's internet traffic. I don't just mean porn here. I mean ALL of the internet's traffic. As per PH's 2015 Year in Review, Pornhub gets roughly 2.4 MILLION hits per HOUR. That's 57.6 MILLION hits per day. A good conversion rate for anything is about 0.1% to 1%. Let's say we do a promo and we have a video on the home page and we get one 10,000th of that standard low end "good conversion rate" of one tenth of a percent (0.1%) that amount to become a paying member. That's 0.00001%. That still about 58 new PAYING members per day. Especially because we don't have thousands of models on at any given time, there's not a ton of competition for these new members dollars who would have no idea who you were otherwise. Oh, and I also have the ability to specifically target where the links from PH go to. If you have a video of you that's being viewed, and you're currently online, when they click through that banner, they go directly to your room. The model gets that traffic directly. These numbers don't lie. Giving out a handful of free videos is a small price to pay for how much growth PH can offer. AND when we start to get a return on the traffic, I'm going to start PAYING models to produce these "private show" videos for the channel, so the production quality goes up, so not only will you receive the benefit of getting a ton of traffic dumped directly into your room, but you'll also get paid for me to advertise you, specifically, too.

Yes, I could have made it an opt in, instead of an opt out. But I didn't, and I had a good reason for it. Believe me, I struggled with that decision for a week before I wrote that email. As I said a while ago in either this, or another thread (I don't recall where exactly), camming is a massive machine. Models only get to see a tiny part of it. But there's a lot that goes on, in running a cam site that models just aren't privy to. But that's ok. Someone working at the register of a store doesn't NEED to know which trucking company delivers the produce to the regional distribution center. It's just not relevant to what you do with your day. But I like to be transparent. Even if it's not a popular decision, I tell people what I do. All cam sites archive shows. Legally, they have to. They just don't tell you about it. Many big sites have porn hub channels, or similar channels elsewhere. Most don't even tell their models about it, let alone even give them the opportunity to opt out. They just force their models to do it, whether they like it or not. Look, I don't like giving out free content any more than any of you do. But the site needs to grow, and this works. I've broken down where my dollar goes. There just isn't a lot of money set aside from that dollar to go to buying traffic, which doesn't guarantee to be paying anyway. So I need to do something that's cheap or free, and highly targeted. I'm certainly open for suggestions, but I can't think of a better way to advertise YOU, than to show YOU to them, with a banner that says "want to see more of model X? Click here to talk to her LIVE."

thegooddoctor
08-27-2016, 02:50 PM
Okay, thegooddoctor, did Pornhub increase the traffic on MyFetishLive? I am asking because I was curious about if Pornhub helps bring in more clients to the models.


Regarding the Porn Hub thing... I'll be happy to discuss that, and my reasoning behind it. First of all, you won't have seen any difference yet, because I haven't started the Porn Hub thing yet. I'm still putting the channel together, creating the bumpers to the videos, etc.

There's anecdotal evidence to suggest that it will though. But, like with any other marketing campaign, only time will tell to see how effective it is in practice.

CatBBW
09-16-2016, 03:54 PM
Everyone get the email about MFL having Lovense toys being integrated to/with MFL site? Can anyone tell me how this is in anyway fetish-based? Why would a fetish domme want to offer this? Why would a fetish sub want to offer this? How is this any different to CB or MFC?