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DonaDiabla
09-17-2016, 05:41 AM
Actually, I have not received this email but it does not have anything to do with fetishes. Maybe he is trying to branch out a little bit? Fetish is great but it can make a site too nichy. :)



Everyone get the email about MFL having Lovense toys being integrated to/with MFL site? Can anyone tell me how this is in anyway fetish-based? Why would a fetish domme want to offer this? Why would a fetish sub want to offer this? How is this any different to CB or MFC?

DonaDiabla
09-17-2016, 05:48 AM
Actually, I have notice a major different but not in sales. Since advertising on porn hub, I have notice that I can not really splitcam with Myfetishlive. There are more demanding customers who needs more attention than I am used to. You see, I split cam with all of my fetish sites and it was working with Myfetishlive until this advertising on Pornhub started. Now, it is more demanding fetish guys come on here. So, I would say this site needs to have your undivided attention while you are working there.




Has anyone noticed a difference ? I haven't been on since he's done it.

SuperPookie
09-17-2016, 03:59 PM
^^^that's not good. I have pretty much gave up on this site. The guys are so much ruder and demanding than Streamate. Every time I was on it was like every troll around was in my room. Now that they're doing interactive toys it's going to be more of a token site vibe so there will probably be even more douches.

thegooddoctor
09-18-2016, 05:51 PM
Actually, I have notice a major different but not in sales. Since advertising on porn hub, I have notice that I can not really splitcam with Myfetishlive. There are more demanding customers who needs more attention than I am used to. You see, I split cam with all of my fetish sites and it was working with Myfetishlive until this advertising on Pornhub started. Now, it is more demanding fetish guys come on here. So, I would say this site needs to have your undivided attention while you are working there.

I still haven't started it yet... my account gets moved to a "channel" sometime this week.

Also, I know all the models that actively cam on my site and I don't believe that I'm familiar with you. So I think it's a bit of a stretch that you can notice a difference in sales or customers since either a) you don't actively work on my site or b) haven't cammed enough for me to even know that you're there.

SuperPookie
09-18-2016, 06:36 PM
^^^ While I obviously have no idea how often Dona is on your site, I can say with certainty that even though I'm on rarely that I can see a huge difference in the quality of customers in my room and I would imagine that is what she was attributing to PornHub. Seriously every time I logged in my room would be full but it was with bottom feeders. Think Chaturbate but without the tipping :/. The last time I was on I had a guy wanting me to piss in free chat and when I declined he said other girls do it and there's even a category for it. Then he offered me two Kinks. Someone else offered a additional Kink . I won't repeat what I said but it wasn't yes lol.

DonaDiabla
09-18-2016, 06:58 PM
Excuse yourself, but this is not my camming name. This is my name is under my donadiabla brand, okay. Maybe that is not something that you are used to? But I have several different things that I am doing in the adult world beside camming. They are under different name. I am not going to say my camming brand because you are having a hard time taking constructive criticism of your client base.I would say that I have cammed often on your site and I have notice a difference. No need to get super emotional about something like me telling other girls that your new customers are very needy. Look, I understand you love your site and want the best for it but you need to take constructive criticism better. Plus, I was not criticizing your site...just your new customers. So,suggest you stop getting so emotional over something like that and work on quality clientele for your most models. Sure,there are a lot of models who do great there but that is not everyone. :)


I still haven't started it yet... my account gets moved to a "channel" sometime this week.

Also, I know all the models that actively cam on my site and I don't believe that I'm familiar with you. So I think it's a bit of a stretch that you can notice a difference in sales or customers since either a) you don't actively work on my site or b) haven't cammed enough for me to even know that you're there.

DonaDiabla
09-18-2016, 07:06 PM
Actually, SuperPookie, I would say that since he made that announcement about Pornhub that I notice a difference as well. So, I attributed it to PornHub because I notice more bottom feeders as well. I guess some site owners can not take constructive criticism over minor things ;)



^^^ While I obviously have no idea how often Dona is on your site, I can say with certainty that even though I'm on rarely that I can see a huge difference in the quality of customers in my room and I would imagine that is what she was attributing to PornHub. Seriously every time I logged in my room would be full but it was with bottom feeders. Think Chaturbate but without the tipping :/. The last time I was on I had a guy wanting me to piss in free chat and when I declined he said other girls do it and there's even a category for it. Then he offered me two Kinks. Someone else offered a additional Kink . I won't repeat what I said but it wasn't yes lol.

thegooddoctor
09-18-2016, 08:53 PM
I certainly have no objection to constructive criticism. I'm just saying that your reasoning for this "change" being my Pornhub channel is unfounded, because it doesn't exist yet. Once I get my account switched over to the right type, I will have a channel on the site, and then I can put videos up. Nothing has been done yet. So your attributing any change in behavior to that marketing initiative is unfounded.

Credit sales have been up in the last month, so I'm not sure where you're getting your "bottom feeders" remark. Yes, SuperPookie, we have a number of pee fetish members. A pee fetish forum wanted a white label. We allow urination on our site, though it does have to be behind the pay wall, so they were granted one. That's the traffic they send. People who want to see girls pee. It's a thing. If you don't feel comfortable with a fetish that they are requesting, you're under no obligation to do it, but I think it's a bit unfair to be upset because they asked. We don't approve of kink shaming on MFL. Yeah, it was a little cheap of him to only offer 2 kinks, but a member lowballing a camgirl is hardly an MFL specific problem. You'll find that on EVERY site.

Dona, I'm aware that this isn't your screen name on the site. But unless both your website and NiteFlirt account is using fake pictures, I don't know who you are and I have never seen you camming on my site. I don't know what site you're camming on, but if you've been on cam long enough to form an opinion about traffic over time since the Pornhub announcement, it isn't mine. And see my above statement regarding the fact that I haven't done any of the Pornhub marketing yet. If there's been a change, it wasn't caused by that, because the only people that know about it, are the models who work on my site, the people that have read this thread, a graphic designer I hired to make some banner ads for me, and a couple of Pornhub execs. So let's end this with a simple question- what's your screen name on MFL? If you are actually one of my models and have an issue, then I will publicly apologize here and I will be happy to help you in any way that I can. However, if you are who you say you are in your photograph, then you don't work on my site and your argument about the members that come into your room on my site doesn't hold water.

DonaDiabla
09-18-2016, 10:08 PM
Also, I said before....donadiabla is one of my brands or are you too stupid to get that? How dare you question my site and my Niteflirt profile on this site? Do I question you when you are on MFL? Do I question your practices when it comes to how you run your site? Do I question you when you send out that email talking about your new feature back in July? Nope, because you run your site how you want. Yet, you want to accuse me of saying bad things about your site.If you want my MFL name, then use your real name on here instead the good doctor.I suggest that you back off of this lackluster crusade to know my cam name unless you are going to pay me for it. Now, I am done with your childish temper tantrum about your clientele. Advertise in better places and you would have these types of problems. Now, I see that Susie had a lot of merit to what she was saying in this thread.:)


I certainly have no objection to constructive criticism. I'm just saying that your reasoning for this "change" being my Pornhub channel is unfounded, because it doesn't exist yet. Once I get my account switched over to the right type, I will have a channel on the site, and then I can put videos up. Nothing has been done yet. So your attributing any change in behavior to that marketing initiative is unfounded.

Credit sales have been up in the last month, so I'm not sure where you're getting your "bottom feeders" remark. Yes, SuperPookie, we have a number of pee fetish members. A pee fetish forum wanted a white label. We allow urination on our site, though it does have to be behind the pay wall, so they were granted one. That's the traffic they send. People who want to see girls pee. It's a thing. If you don't feel comfortable with a fetish that they are requesting, you're under no obligation to do it, but I think it's a bit unfair to be upset because they asked. We don't approve of kink shaming on MFL. Yeah, it was a little cheap of him to only offer 2 kinks, but a member lowballing a camgirl is hardly an MFL specific problem. You'll find that on EVERY site.

Dona, I'm aware that this isn't your screen name on the site. But unless both your website and NiteFlirt account is using fake pictures, I don't know who you are and I have never seen you camming on my site. I don't know what site you're camming on, but if you've been on cam long enough to form an opinion about traffic over time since the Pornhub announcement, it isn't mine. And see my above statement regarding the fact that I haven't done any of the Pornhub marketing yet. If there's been a change, it wasn't caused by that, because the only people that know about it, are the models who work on my site, the people that have read this thread, a graphic designer I hired to make some banner ads for me, and a couple of Pornhub execs. So let's end this with a simple question- what's your screen name on MFL? If you are actually one of my models and have an issue, then I will publicly apologize here and I will be happy to help you in any way that I can. However, if you are who you say you are in your photograph, then you don't work on my site and your argument about the members that come into your room on my site doesn't hold water.

thegooddoctor
09-18-2016, 10:34 PM
You know, I have notice this about you and your interactions on here. You become childish and disrespectful if someone is challenging you. However, I was just saying that some of customers on your site are bottom feeders. Geez, you are overly emotional about such thing. Most cam and phone sex sites know that they will attract scum bags but not you. You think that all of your customers are just such gentlemen and defend them to death. You are just another site owner who cares less for your models and more for the clients. Also, I said before....donadiabla is one of my brands or are you too stupid to get that? How dare you question my site and my Niteflirt profile? Do I question you when you are on MFL? Do I question your practices when it comes to how you run your site? Do I question you when you send out that email talking about your new feature back in July? If you want my MFL name, then use your real name on here instead the good doctor. If you want me to out myself than you out yourself. Keep demanding shit from me and it will be on :)

Do you actually read what I write, or do you just pick out a couple of words here and there and just guess on the rest? I haven't gotten emotional at all, and I wasn't questioning your site or your niteflirt profile. In fact, I specifically am NOT questioning them, because I've never seen that woman pictured on your site camming on my site.

And my real name is Michael Goldsmith. I'm not asking for your real name, but I have no problem telling you mine. I'd just like to know what your screen name is under my cam site since you say that you work there, because given that I DO believe your site and niteflirt profile, I am confident that you don't work for me, and are full of shit when you talk about what it's like to cam on my site.

DonaDiabla
09-18-2016, 11:07 PM
Yay, you believe in fairy tales, Sir. :) I am glad that you believe my site and Niteflirt profile. :) How confident are you that I do not work for you, Mr. Goldsmith? That I am not an affiliate for your site? That I am not a cam model that work on the weekends? Personally, I think that it super cute that you think that my avatar is real as well. Is Second Life real as well to you? ;)


Do you actually read what I write, or do you just pick out a couple of words here and there and just guess on the rest? I haven't gotten emotional at all, and I wasn't questioning your site or your niteflirt profile. In fact, I specifically am NOT questioning them, because I've never seen that woman pictured on your site camming on my site.

And my real name is Michael Goldsmith. I'm not asking for your real name, but I have no problem telling you mine. I'd just like to know what your screen name is under my cam site since you say that you work there, because given that I DO believe your site and niteflirt profile, I am confident that you don't work for me, and are full of shit when you talk about what it's like to cam on my site.

thegooddoctor
09-18-2016, 11:28 PM
Yay, you believe in fairy tales, Sir :) I am glad that you believe my site and Niteflirt profile.:) How confident are you that I do not work for you, Michael? Well, that was a nice talk about your site. Just keep accusing me of being full of shit. :) By the way, how do you know that any of us work for your site?

In one breath you say "how dare i question your profile" and in the next you say that I "believe in fairy tales" for saying that I believe it? Which is it? You're being a little hypocritical there, miss.

No, I don't think that you do work for MFL. MAYBE you made a profile, but you certainly don't work there with any degree of regularity. If you did work for MFL, you would know that you could just come to me with a problem and I'd do my best to fix it, rather than complaining about it on an internet forum.

And btw, nice edits to your posts to change what you say, after I reply to it.

DonaDiabla
09-19-2016, 12:34 AM
Dude, I splitcam between your site and other 8 others. I am just saying that your customers have gotten demanding over the few months that I was there. I answered another cam model's question about if there was an change. You are very touchy about clients. You have been nagging the whole time about me saying one thing. Your customers have been getting a bit needy compare to customers on my other fetish websites. You need to change where you advertised.They need more time and effort than a domme such as myself is used to. it is like they want more of a lifestyle domme experience over the cam.

Now let's go into real talk:

I cam part-time and splitcam most of that time. Your customer base is one of many that I am talking to at one time. However, many of your fetish customers demand more from dommes that I am used to. Often they want to take up a lot of time in free chat instead of going private within the 5 to 10 min mark. This has been become more and more problematic if you are split camming because they demand more and more time. Then I get the bottom feeders who sit there for hour without tipping despite me trying to engage them. So,I just ban them because I do not have that in any of many cam rooms.Now, I understand engaging guys more if you are doing indie but not for one hour. I have notice more of this type of behavior after your announcement that you should market on pornhub. Maybe you should advertise in more paying areas? Another thing, you need to easy up on your stops to models' rooms because that also threw me off my splitcam game. Now, you take with that information what you will. :)





In one breath you say "how dare i question your profile" and in the next you say that I "believe in fairy tales" for saying that I believe it? Which is it? You're being a little hypocritical there, miss.

No, I don't think that you do work for MFL. MAYBE you made a profile, but you certainly don't work there with any degree of regularity. If you did work for MFL, you would know that you could just come to me with a problem and I'd do my best to fix it, rather than complaining about it on an internet forum.

And btw, nice edits to your posts to change what you say, after I reply to it.

thegooddoctor
09-19-2016, 01:24 AM
Dude, I splitcam between your site and other 8 others. I am just saying that your customers have gotten demanding over the few months that I was there. I answered another cam model's question about if there was an change. You are very touchy about clients. You have been nagging the whole time about me saying one thing. Your customers have been getting a bit needy compare to customers on my other fetish websites. You need to change where you advertised.They need more time and effort than a domme such as myself is used to. it is like they want more of a lifestyle domme experience over the cam.

Now let's go into real talk:

I cam part-time and splitcam most of that time. Your customer base is one of many that I am talking to at one time. However, many of your fetish customers demand more from dommes that I am used to. Often they want to take up a lot of time in free chat instead of going private within the 5 to 10 min mark. This has been become more and more problematic if you are split camming because they demand more and more time. Then I get the bottom feeders who sit there for hour without tipping despite me trying to engage them. So,I just ban them because I do not have that in any of many cam rooms.Now, I understand engaging guys more if you are doing indie but not for one hour. I have notice more of this type of behavior after your announcement that you should market on pornhub. Maybe you should advertise in more paying areas? Another thing, you need to easy up on your stops to models' rooms because that also threw me off my splitcam game. Now, you take with that information what you will. :)

9 sites... Impressive. Have you considered the fact that maybe splitting your attention between 9 sites might be a bit much? Perhaps instead of blaming someone else for your problems, maybe you should look at what you are doing? Hell how do you even know if you're getting a private if you're constantly tabbing through 9 different sites.

But see, that doesn't even matter because you refuse to even tell me your name on my site. You're full of shit and have no credibility.

And you're nagging about this supposed major change after I announced that I planned on having a pornhub channel. I don't have one yet. Do a search on Pornhub. Do your due diligence. As of the writing of this message there is NOTHING on porn hub that came from my site. I haven't DONE any marketing on PH yet. You do understand how marketing works right? Marketers come up with an idea, they do something, and then it (hopefully) causes a positive reaction. I'm still in that in between stage of the idea and implementing the idea, so there's nothing for people to react to. I don't know how many times I have to say it. I suspect you're just not paying attention. Maybe you're on 8 other forums at the same time and that's why you're missing what's being said here. Sorry for being so demanding of your time. If you're not actually going to read what I say, I'm just going to stop reading what you're saying. Have a nice day.

DonaDiabla
09-19-2016, 02:10 AM
Someone got his steampunk hat in a bunch :) Honey, you do not have the balls to splitcam between 9-12 sites for 6 hours! I handle my privates just fine.It is quite funny for someone like yourself to talk about marketing. You do not see me looking to Pornhub to gain more traffic for my sites. You do not see me in forums complaining that I do not have enough money like Chaturbate and MFC for traffic. Naw, baby, I know how to get traffic and make my money. Yet, you are always complaining about marketing and traffic. You come on here like a child showing the world their excrement for the first time and act like you know how to handle a site. But you don't!
You get excited by marketing your site to every fetish forum there is. Despite many of those fetish forums being full of non-paying customers but you do not care. You get excited by the fact that you get traffic from lower class places. Seriously, you are letting anyone become your affiliate.Rookie mistake, Mr. Goldsmith! If I do not have any credibility, than why are you so mad? There is some truth there, huh?Also, you come talk to me when you are a real cam model instead of playing one on your site, Michael. A big hug for you.:)


9 sites... Impressive. Have you considered the fact that maybe splitting your attention between 9 sites might be a bit much? Perhaps instead of blaming someone else for your problems, maybe you should look at what you are doing? Hell how do you even know if you're getting a private if you're constantly tabbing through 9 different sites.

But see, that doesn't even matter because you refuse to even tell me your name on my site. You're full of shit and have no credibility.

And you're nagging about this supposed major change after I announced that I planned on having a pornhub channel. I don't have one yet. Do a search on Pornhub. Do your due diligence. As of the writing of this message there is NOTHING on porn hub that came from my site. I haven't DONE any marketing on PH yet. You do understand how marketing works right? Marketers come up with an idea, they do something, and then it (hopefully) causes a positive reaction. I'm still in that in between stage of the idea and implementing the idea, so there's nothing for people to react to. I don't know how many times I have to say it. I suspect you're just not paying attention. Maybe you're on 8 other forums at the same time and that's why you're missing what's being said here. Sorry for being so demanding of your time. If you're not actually going to read what I say, I'm just going to stop reading what you're saying. Have a nice day.

thegooddoctor
09-19-2016, 02:20 AM
Someone got his steampunk hat in a bunch :) Honey, you do not have the balls to splitcam between 9-12 sites for 6 hours! I handle my privates just fine.It is quite funny for someone like yourself to talk about marketing. You do not see me looking to Pornhub to gain more traffic for my sites. You do not see me in forums complaining that I do not have enough money like Chaturbate and MFC for traffic. Naw, baby, I know how to get traffic and make my money. Yet, you are always complaining about marketing and traffic. You come on here like a child showing the world their excrement for the first time and act like you know how to handle a site. But you don't!
You get excited by marketing your site to every fetish forum there is. Despite many of those fetish forums being full of non-paying customers but you do not care. You get excited by the fact that you get traffic from lower class places. Seriously, you are letting anyone become your affiliate.Rookie mistake, Mr. Goldsmith! If I do not have any credibility, than why are you so mad? There is some truth there, huh?Also, you come talk to me when you are a real cam model instead of playing one on your site, Michael. A big hug for you.:)

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DonaDiabla
09-19-2016, 02:26 AM
Do you hear that? It the sound of a cam site failing within the next 6 months because it's owner :)



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CatBBW
09-19-2016, 06:17 AM
Wow. And there was me being concerned that tip-sound toys aren't anything to do with fetish. :O

thegooddoctor
09-19-2016, 09:41 AM
Wow. And there was me being concerned that tip-sound toys aren't anything to do with fetish. :O

I think that's just a matter of perspective. It's quite BDSM-y if you really think about it. Tease and denial, orgasm control, the fact that you're giving control over your sex toy to someone else.... that's a very submissive act. Or to turn it around, on the dominant side, someone is paying you for the privilege of giving you pleasure. How is this NOT Fetish? I do see your perspective that you might not personally want to use it. And that's fine. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I just put another tool in the toolbox for models to use if they wanted to.

There's an item called a third hand that seamstresses use for holding cloth taught while they're sewing. A number of years ago, the company experienced some unexplained very rapid growth because someone had the good sense to put the item on their nipples and it felt good to them. That's what the Clover clamp actually is. Clover is a company that makes sewing accessories. It wasn't a Fetish item until someone made it into one.

As a general rule, I hate hipsters because of the "I was into (insert whatever thing here) before it was cool, and now that it's popular I don't like it anymore because it's too 'mainstream' and I'm doing it, but just to be ironic....." attitude. Just because vanilla big box sites have the good foresight to use Lovense, doesn't mean I can't, because you know what? It works, and it makes money. Good money. And at the end of the day, isn't that what we're all there for?

audritwo
09-19-2016, 08:42 PM
What happened to you not posting here anymore?

SuperPookie
09-20-2016, 10:08 AM
Wow. And there was me being concerned that tip-sound toys aren't anything to do with fetish. :O Haha yeah this conversation really headed in a different direction after that :D.
Doc, to be honest I don't see how what I said was kink shaming. It was intended to be as**hole shaming instead lol. Basically my point was that I have noticed a unusually large amount of guys on your site who just want me to talk...& talk....There is no reason for a conversation to go beyond "hi,how are you?""great what were you looking for today?" customer answers- it's something I can do goes private. It's something I can't he leaves. I'm also noticing a lot of guys wanting cheap group shows. If that was something I was interested in I'd work on token sites or do gold shows on SM. Basically it boils down to the fact that while of course guys on your site deserve the same amount of attention as ones anywhere else, they don't deserve more. Mind you, this isn't a insult against you but things have changed there and if as you said it's not PornHub, it is something.

NaughtyGoodGirl
11-05-2016, 10:33 AM
The site sucks because the owner sucks.

"thegooddoctor" is a super creep with no boundaries, came into my room, demanded I speak with him for free after I said I don't chat for free. I'm sure he jerks off to everyone's private shows.
Made 0 dollars on there after a half dozen hours camming.

Creepy loser, loser site. Don't join if you want respect, professionalism, and boundaries.

thegooddoctor
11-05-2016, 11:17 AM
Since this is the only thread I can post in to defend myself, here's the chat log of exactly what was said...

The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:55:50): hi there
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:56:11): is your sound not working?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 17:56:25): I don't have sound
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:57:45): also.... is your tip menu right in your topic? I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 1 kink = 1 USD on this site
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 17:58:14): I'll fix it
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:58:54): btw, I should introduce myself properly. I'm Doc. I'm the site admin.
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:59:34): I think I emailed you about your tip menu (and the value of a credit on this site) in your profile when you first applied
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:59:40): :)
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:00:21): K
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:00:48): oh wait maybe that was another model
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:00:55): anyway, it's nice to meet you
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:03:43): have you cammed elsewhere before?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:03:56): tip to chat
(11/05/2016 18:04:37): Customer The Good Doctor left chat
(11/05/2016 18:04:57): Customer admin joined chat
admin (11/05/2016 18:05:31): Is this better that I talk to you this way? I do generally prefer to use my "member" account so i'm not invisible to everyone but you
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:06:09): I would prefer to be left alone and not stalked by crazy people
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:06:19): This site makes me no money anyway, happy to never come back
admin (11/05/2016 18:06:54): I was just trying to welcome you to the site and see if you had any questions
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:01): I don't
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:11): you're extremely unprofessional and potentially psychotic
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:24): that's good to know some creepy admin will be stalking all my shows
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:30): weird as fuck, goodbye
admin (11/05/2016 18:07:31): what have I said that was unprofessional?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:47): Do you own this site?
admin (11/05/2016 18:07:51): I do
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:08:21): Good, I won't bother sending an email to the owners
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:08:26): creepy ass psycho
(11/05/2016 18:08:29): Customer admin left chat
(11/05/2016 18:08:29): Performer NaughtyGoodGirl went offline

I'd like to know exactly what I did that was over the line?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-05-2016, 11:34 AM
People have said quite a bit around here that they find it strange that you would enter their room while they're streaming. Now I don't see anything particularly creepy in that chat log, but I do think you may want to stop doing that. How bad does it have to get before you realize that cammodels don't like admins in their chatrooms? Also she may have reacted the way she did because she's worked on sites where people have impersonated admins or tried to get some sort of special treatment if they presented themselves as an owner. You may have good intentions but from a camgirls perspective it's not a good thing to do. Also all the sites that openly monitor rooms get a bad rep around here for being too intrusive. It starts to feel more like an employer and employee type of relationship and that's not what its supposed to be.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-05-2016, 11:45 AM
Since this is the only thread I can post in to defend myself, here's the chat log of exactly what was said...

The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:55:50): hi there
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:56:11): is your sound not working?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 17:56:25): I don't have sound
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:57:45): also.... is your tip menu right in your topic? I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 1 kink = 1 USD on this site
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 17:58:14): I'll fix it
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:58:54): btw, I should introduce myself properly. I'm Doc. I'm the site admin.
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:59:34): I think I emailed you about your tip menu (and the value of a credit on this site) in your profile when you first applied
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 17:59:40): :)
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:00:21): K
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:00:48): oh wait maybe that was another model
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:00:55): anyway, it's nice to meet you
The Good Doctor (11/05/2016 18:03:43): have you cammed elsewhere before?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:03:56): tip to chat
(11/05/2016 18:04:37): Customer The Good Doctor left chat
(11/05/2016 18:04:57): Customer admin joined chat
admin (11/05/2016 18:05:31): Is this better that I talk to you this way? I do generally prefer to use my "member" account so i'm not invisible to everyone but you
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:06:09): I would prefer to be left alone and not stalked by crazy people
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:06:19): This site makes me no money anyway, happy to never come back
admin (11/05/2016 18:06:54): I was just trying to welcome you to the site and see if you had any questions
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:01): I don't
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:11): you're extremely unprofessional and potentially psychotic
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:24): that's good to know some creepy admin will be stalking all my shows
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:30): weird as fuck, goodbye
admin (11/05/2016 18:07:31): what have I said that was unprofessional?
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:07:47): Do you own this site?
admin (11/05/2016 18:07:51): I do
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:08:21): Good, I won't bother sending an email to the owners
NaughtyGoodGirl (11/05/2016 18:08:26): creepy ass psycho
(11/05/2016 18:08:29): Customer admin left chat
(11/05/2016 18:08:29): Performer NaughtyGoodGirl went offline

I'd like to know exactly what I did that was over the line?

Also I just wanted to add..this chat log is hilarious ;D

thegooddoctor
11-05-2016, 11:59 AM
People have said quite a bit around here that they find it strange that you would enter their room while they're streaming. Now I don't see anything particularly creepy in that chat log, but I do think you may want to stop doing that. How bad does it have to get before you realize that cammodels don't like admins in their chatrooms? Also she may have reacted the way she did because she's worked on sites where people have impersonated admins or tried to get some sort of special treatment if they presented themselves as an owner. You may have good intentions but from a camgirls perspective it's not a good thing to do. Also all the sites that openly monitor rooms get a bad rep around here for being too intrusive. It starts to feel more like an employer and employee type of relationship and that's not what its supposed to be.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't go in model's rooms to monitor what they're doing. I'm there to *help* the models that work on my site and to answer questions if they have them. If a model doesn't quite understand how the software works, I'm there to give them a walkthrough. Note in the second line of the chat log that I asked about her sound not working. That's a fairly common issue for models on my site where their mic doesn't get picked up by the software right away. It happens, and there's an easy fix for it that I'm happy to share with new models.

I'm not going to sit here and defend my management style, but it does come from a good and positive place. I find that too often there's too great of a divide between models and upper management, and I want to bridge that gap by being visible, by being accessible. If models on my site have a problem, I want them to be able to come to me. I don't see a better way to do that, than to be on the ground floor with them.

You make an interesting point about "open monitoring." Again, I don't go into rooms for the sake of monitoring them, but it does bring up a good related point. So, my rhetorical question back to you is this- would you rather a site that told you when an admin was in the room, or would you rather they hid that fact from you? The difference isn't between open monitoring or not being monitored at all. All sites monitor their rooms. Ones that are open about it are just the ones that are willing to tell you that they do it. So which is better? A site that tells you that they keep tabs on their models, or ones that don't tell you that they keep tabs on their models? Food for thought.

NaughtyGoodGirl
11-05-2016, 01:14 PM
Not leaving or leaving me alone after obviously requesting multiple times, under the guise of being a "good guy" with "good intentions" trying to "help" a poor cam girl who did not ask for any help from you at all shows an apparent lack of boundaries and all-around lack of connection to reality.

You are a business owner and I am a contractor, I am not your friend and did not want to chit-chat, create a personal relationship, and I had made very obvious I did not want/need any help or interaction.

People pay me to interact and chat with them while they watch me on camera. They also pay me to "help" me and feel good about themselves. You were welcomed to do either of these things. However you prefer to get your rocks off quasi mentoring cam models.

I seem to be happy with the way they way every major website operates, having had interactions with customer service of all the major sites.

Creep alert.

NaughtyGoodGirl
11-06-2016, 10:24 AM
I also really dig how your indiegogo campaign pimps models out without their consent.


Did you really think it was appropriate to offer shows from models whom had not consented at all to play with these buyers and customers?
I negotiate all my private shows beforehand, and I believe most models do. Especially to offer this for a fetish site, are you insane? (Oh wait...yes...yes you are...)

Just more evidence to your attitude towards models, and feelings of entitlement and ownership to them, when in fact, without us, you make no money. You might as well work for us.

creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep

thegooddoctor
11-06-2016, 01:47 PM
I also really dig how your indiegogo campaign pimps models out without their consent.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kinky-cam-site-startup-needs-your-help#/

Did you really think it was appropriate to offer shows from models whom had not consented at all to play with these buyers and customers?
I negotiate all my private shows beforehand, and I believe most models do. Especially to offer this for a fetish site, are you insane? (Oh wait...yes...yes you are...)

Just more evidence to your attitude towards models, and feelings of entitlement and ownership to them, when in fact, without us, you make no money. You might as well work for us.

creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep creep

We had VOLUNTEER models to do the shows for that campaign, which by the way, was a year ago. The shows were to be negotiated between model and customer, and the models were being compensated for their time and efforts (by me and the funds raised through the campaign). No one was forced to do anything without their consent. Furthermore, the customers who we were trying to raise money from were existing customers from the core group of models who came over from Kink Live. These weren't random people buying private shows. They were many of these models regular customers.

You can think whatever you want about me, but the models who do work for me regularly know that I'm good to them, respect them, am there to support and help them. They appreciate the fact that I stop by to see how they're doing or ask if they need anything, because I actually do care about them and their well being. And no, I don't expect to be chummy with every model on my site, but I do have a right to know who the contractors are that are using my platform, because I'm the one who pays the bills for the site to be there in the first place. In this, like any other industry, you may be an independent contractor, but contractors still need to follow the rules of the people that sign their paychecks. Moreover, my management style aside, moderators don't come into your room to perv on your show. They're there to make sure that you're not doing something you shouldn't be doing. If you aren't doing something wrong, then you should have no reason to worry about a moderator stopping by your room. The fact that you're getting so defensive about this is pretty telling, especially considering that even after I posted the full chat log of our brief conversation, you continue to exaggerate and say that you told me to leave your room multiple times (you didn't and considering that I am the owner of the site you were camming on, you really don't have the authority to say that to me), and call me a creep when it was clear that I was nothing but respectful to you... you kind of just sound like an entitled, spoiled child. Grow up. And to further my point...

"You might as well work for us" ... and you call me entitled? That's a really high horse you're sitting on. If you think it's so easy to run a cam site, you're more than welcome to go build one yourself and see how well you do. When it's your responsibility to make sure that everything runs smoothly on the site, you're more than welcome to say that an admin has no right to be in a model's room.

NaughtyGoodGirl
11-07-2016, 08:39 AM
Thank you for showing your true colors. That is all I want, models who are researching your site to make informed decisions about MyFetishLive.

As a sex worker it's extremely important the platforms we cam on respect us as models, as humans, and as contractors.

We can agree to disagree and leave it to the people to decide after seeing our chat and your responses what sort of maturity and integrity you have as a business owner.

cutiecam
11-07-2016, 10:38 AM
My experience of myfetishlive is eerily similar to what other models have experienced. Doc needs to tone down his animistic male instincts. Telling me how attractive I am, how he could easily "pitch a tent" isn't professional. God, I wish I would have screen caped the whole thing. Then again... he does have all my personal information.

I was really rooting for this site. I loved kinklive. :'(

thegooddoctor
11-07-2016, 11:09 AM
My experience of myfetishlive is eerily similar to what other models have experienced. Doc needs to tone down his animistic male instincts. Telling me how attractive I am, how he could easily "pitch a tent" isn't professional. God, I wish I would have screen caped the whole thing. Then again... he does have all my personal information.

I was really rooting for this site. I loved kinklive. :'(

I'm sorry, but who are you? I have NEVER used the phrase "pitch a tent" in regards to a cam model. I find this extremely derogatory and inflammatory. If I've ever acted inappropriately, I will be happy to apologize for the behavior, but I have no idea who you are, and I find this baseless accusation to be absolutely disgusting.

cutiecam
11-07-2016, 12:17 PM
^I admit, I have literally no proof. That doesn't mean it is a "baseless accusation". Many ladies here agree: you have come off as a bit creepy in the past. I am happy you apologize for any past discrepancies. I'm sure you will learn from them and continue on with your business.

SuperPookie
11-07-2016, 04:45 PM
I will say that anytime Doc has came in my room he's been very professional. Basically"hi hru, xyz has changed since you were on last,it works like this" etc if no one else was in the room maybe a little general chit chat but nothing hinky. When someone else did come in he even offered to leave if I felt uncomfortable trying to close a sale with him in the room.

KatM
11-07-2016, 05:58 PM
No matter how helpful the Doc wanna be, we dont like to have him in our rooms, we dont like site owners or admins to interact with us. I cammed for many years on almost all cam sites and we are used to be left alone, even we dont know the site/ software at 1st, we learn the things in time, just put the info on site help pages and we'll find our ways.
It is intrusive for a cam girl to have the reps of a cam site in her room, we aware all sites have admins/ reps/ owners watch us but they do it SILENTLY, the fact they dont interact with us gives us the feeling we are safe and nobody creeps on us.
This is my personal opinion and i hope the Doc refrain himself from entering model's rooms from now on, i dont cam on there anymore as the site is not lucrative to me but for the sake of this site and it's models, stay away Doc, just stay off model's rooms, its a huge turn off for many models when u do what u do.

thegooddoctor
11-09-2016, 03:32 AM
... we aware all sites have admins/ reps/ owners watch us but they do it SILENTLY, the fact they dont interact with us gives us the feeling we are safe and nobody creeps on us.

I hope you realize how little sense that actually makes. How is it "less creepy" that when you're checked up on silently and without your knowledge than an admin going out of his way to be visible, ask you how you're doing, if you had any questions, or if you need anything? The fact of the matter is that I make a point to make sure a model knows exactly who I am when I stop by a room. I don't want to check up on models without their knowledge, because THAT I feel is creepy and intrusive.

I've been a manager before owning MFL. Every management best practice points towards keeping lines of communication open, make sure that contractors know that I have an open door policy, and if there are any problems they can always come to me. That is simply good management technique. Sitting in an ivory tower completely closed off from the day to day on the site fosters an "us" vs. "them" mentality. Part of the reason why models were so pissed off at Kink Live was because of a lack of communication from the powers that be about what was going on at a management level of the site. I want to avoid that mistake, so I keep people (both models and members) apprised about what's going on. I talk to the models who are working. I even talk to the members. It's not being creepy. It's being a good manager. I'm sorry if YOU don't like it, but don't make gross generalizations, because most of the models who work for me appreciate the fact that if there's an issue, they can DM me on twitter, and I'll come running to help them fix whatever problem they're having.

KatM
11-09-2016, 09:23 AM
^^^ You just dont get it, sorry Doc, carry on pls, it's ur business & i have nothing to fight for as i dont cam on ur site (anymore), i was thinking u could use the advice of a veteran camgirl but looks like u set on ur own ways and there is no desire to change that. I am all for help and cooperation with cam site staff but not the way u understand to do it, YOU go into models's rooms UNINVITED while they work live, u take people by surprise therefore u get the above reactions, i personally was nice and talked to u but it disturbed me to be approached that way, others are not as nice as i was and react negatively cause IT IS AN INTRUSIVE METHOD to help the models as u say.
If u did things the right way ur site would be successful now ya know? Which is not so this tells a lot in my humble opinion.....

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 02:55 AM
^^^ You just dont get it, sorry Doc, carry on pls, it's ur business & i have nothing to fight for as i dont cam on ur site (anymore), i was thinking u could use the advice of a veteran camgirl but looks like u set on ur own ways and there is no desire to change that. I am all for help and cooperation with cam site staff but not the way u understand to do it, YOU go into models's rooms UNINVITED while they work live, u take people by surprise therefore u get the above reactions, i personally was nice and talked to u but it disturbed me to be approached that way, others are not as nice as i was and react negatively cause IT IS AN INTRUSIVE METHOD to help the models as u say.
If u did things the right way ur site would be successful now ya know? Which is not so this tells a lot in my humble opinion.....

I understand you completely. I'm just respectfully disagreeing with you.

I'm never one to victim blame. Your feelings are completely valid and I do understand where you're coming from. However, I feel that a shift in your perspective would do a lot of good in alleviating any stress in regards to this. In any job, the person you work for is going to come over to you at some point and want to talk to you, especially when you're new to the gig. And most probably they'll just show up at your desk uninvited. They'll want to see how you're adjusting. They'll want to see if you understand the workload. They'll want to get to know you a bit. They're not being intrusive. They're not being creepy. They're doing their job. This is just the hierarchy of business.

Now, granted, Bob Iger, CEO of Disney, doesn't talk to every single employee that is hired at Disney (and I should know- I was a Project Manager at a Disney subsidiary many moons ago where I had 12 programmers under me and I never met the man). They're a huge mega-corporation and that's just not feasible. But a department head might, and definitely a direct manager. The big box sites have thousands of models who work for them, and it would be a logistical nightmare to put that much time into the staff from their management team. And in doing so, I think they're doing you a disservice, but it's simply logistically infeasible. We're a small company, and I can still afford the time to spend on the ground floor with the models that work for my site, because that's just good management. I have a team of models who work for me that do very well for themselves that appreciates the fact that there isn't such a huge divide between management and model and they can talk to me about their concerns when they arise. If one day we get to be of sufficient size where we have even a few dozen models on at any given time, I probably wont have that kind of time to spend giving every new model a walk through of the software, but I do now, because I feel that it's important that you have a clear understanding of how the system works. There are some things that aren't perfectly intuitive still on the site, and I feel that it simply warrants explanation. I don't see how you can construe that as creepy or invasive when all I'm trying to do, is give you a boost up the learning curve of the software and how we do things on the site, unless the actual issue is with you.

I'm sorry to hear that camming on MFL wasn't lucrative for you. We are working on getting more traffic. But rather than simply blaming me and complaining on an internet forum, perhaps you should have asked me "hey, I'm not making a lot of money here. Do you have any suggestions?" or taken advantage of our free model coaching program, where you get paired with an existing, successful model on the site (if you are that adamant about not talking to me), and they teach you how to make money on MFL. We do have members and our members do spend good money. This is not to negate any past experience that you have. Please don't get me wrong there. But the culture and customers on MFL are different than on the big box sites, and making money here requires different techniques than what you may be used to.

sexysusie
11-10-2016, 09:35 AM
In any job, the person you work for is going to come over to you at some point and want to talk to you, especially when you're new to the gig. And most probably they'll just show up at your desk uninvited. They'll want to see how you're adjusting. They'll want to see if you understand the workload. They'll want to get to know you a bit. They're not being intrusive. They're not being creepy. They're doing their job. This is just the hierarchy of business.

When are you going to learn? In this industry it is MODELS who run the show, not your arrogant, condescending little pin dick. Get OUT of the way and let models do what they do best. This isn't 'any' job - you want to exert the type of managerial control you're talking about, go get a job at Walmart. These are professional, experienced, *independent* contractors you are dealing with. Your continued ignorance on this point astounds me. You are the one in need of a shift in perspective.

And please, don't bother writing reams of meaningless condescending drivel back in response like you have to every other post on this thread, it just hurts my eyes. Take a tip and move on!

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 10:28 AM
When are you going to learn? In this industry it is MODELS who run the show, not your arrogant, condescending little pin dick. Get OUT of the way and let models do what they do best. This isn't 'any' job - you want to exert the type of managerial control you're talking about, go get a job at Walmart. These are professional, experienced, *independent* contractors you are dealing with. Your continued ignorance on this point astounds me. You are the one in need of a shift in perspective.

And please, don't bother writing reams of meaningless condescending drivel back in response like you have to every other post on this thread, it just hurts my eyes. Take a tip and move on!

I hate to point this out, Susie, but your ignorance is showing again. "Independent" contractor does not mean that you're the boss. It means that you're paid on a freelance basis "as and when required (source: wikipedia)." All that means is that you are responsible for your own taxes. You still work for someone else and when someone else requires you. Like any and all jobs your continued employment is dependent on you following the rules, regulations, and tasks laid out for you by the persons above you in the corporate hierarchy. If they don't need you then, you don't work at that time, whether you want to or not. It just so happens that in camming the task and time frame is "cam whenever you feel like it," but don't be so arrogant and entitled to think that you have any power over the people that sign your paychecks.

If you want to be the boss, invest the time and money and go make a cam site yourself. See if you do a better job.

sexysusie
11-10-2016, 10:48 AM
Models ARE the boss. You on the other hand are expendable. There is no corporate hierarchy here. We have a multitude of successful platforms from which to work (of which yours is not currently one), and/or we can be entirely independent (and a few Models DO run camsites by the way). If a model does not like the site she is working through, she moves on. That is why your site is dead.

Compared to the experienced, high earning, multi talented professional ladies on this board, you are a child in this world, toddling precariously on the edge.

KatM
11-10-2016, 10:51 AM
Doc, YOU are just the middle man lol, the members pay US for our services not YOU, you are the platform we host a chat room on and stream live from, u get a commission for bringing traffic to the site and maintaining the platform so members can find and pay US models for our services.
Seriously, u sounds like D. Trump here lol, soo entitled acting like a boss but u are no boss to anyone, u just think u are lol.
That site is a joke anyway, no models on there and no business/ traffic to work with.

DancesWithSloths
11-10-2016, 11:13 AM
Doc, you need to be very careful with claims that models "work for you". You're going to summon an employment tribunal onto your ass. Have you noticed the trouble Uber is having in the UK? Uber drivers are about to become entitled to minimum wage, holiday and sick pay over here, when Uber has been bending over backwards to prove that they're not workers but business partners operating through their platforms. Deliveroo have already got into the same issues, and now having to pay drivers for hours when they're waiting, not just for hours they're riding.

Models are your business partners. Accept it, and *behave like it*, or you're opening yourself up to a world of financial butthurt. All it takes is one EU model with employment law savvy, and suddenly you're liable for minimum wage for every minute every EU model is logged on.

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 11:27 AM
Doc, YOU are just the middle man lol, the members pay US for our services not YOU, you are the platform we host a chat room on and stream live from, u get a commission for bringing traffic to the site and maintaining the platform so members can find and pay US models for our services.
Seriously, u sounds like D. Trump here lol, soo entitled acting like a boss but u are no boss to anyone, u just think u are lol.
That site is a joke anyway, no models on there and no business/ traffic to work with.

Oh? Is that so? You're the one who pays Visa and Mastercard $1000 every year, plus all the monthly fees to have credit card processing? You're the one who is responsible for chargebacks? You're the one who pays for hosting, and new features to be developed? Are you the one going to conventions, paying for booths and banners, paying for models entrance fees, paying for schwag to give away? Are you the person who brokers deals for strategic partnerships? Are you the one who's responsible for bringing traffic to the site? Are you the one who has to make sure that payroll gets sent out on time? No. You're not. You do NONE of these things.

Look, I get where you're coming from. Cam companies get you all gassed up saying "Work for yourself. Be your own boss. Make six figures a year from home" but that's just not the reality of it. At the end of the year, American cam girls get a 1099 form saying that they worked FOR company X as an independent contractor. That tax form isn't relevant to foreign models, but the concept is still the same. You only THINK you're independent, but without the platform, there wouldn't be a camming industry and you'd be doing something else for a living. I'm just not going to bullshit you about it. You can say what you want about me, but I'm not wrong. Only a tiny piece of what goes on in running a cam site is relevant to y9ou in your day to day as a cam model. You're not the boss. You're the product. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. And yes, like any business, a cam site can't run without a product to sell. I do not and have never denied the importance the model plays in this ballet, but you are but one dancer in the cast, and the director still calls the shots in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: Oh, one more thing to prove my point. When you go to a cam site, who tells who how much the model gets paid? It's the platform that sets the rates. If you're good and bring a lot of traffic, MAYBE you have some room to negotiate, but where that negotiation starts is with the platform, not you.

KatM
11-10-2016, 11:36 AM
^^^ no matter what u are nothing w.o models on the site to process & pay all that things for right?
No models => no business. You have no models therefore no business, ur site is empty.
Each of us need the other to make business work, we are 50-50% important.
I am out of here, you are a lost cause.
#Facepalm

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2016, 11:37 AM
I know its hard but y'all should just start ignoring him.

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 11:56 AM
^^^ no matter what u are nothing w.o models on the site to process & pay all that things for right?
No models => no business. You have no models therefore no business, ur site is empty.
Each of us need the other to make business work, we are 50-50% important.
I am out of here, you are a lost cause.
#Facepalm

Same problem with having no products on the shelf at a store. If a company doesn't have a product to sell, then they make no money. The difference, however, is that a company can always get more products. Models come and go on cam sites every day. It's a revolving door. The platform, is the brand, the building, the marketing, the infrastructure. Going back to my previous analogy, Mickey Mouse isn't the boss, go to board meetings and certainly doesn't dictate how Disney does business.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2016, 12:23 PM
Did u just compare cammodels to Mickey Mouse a cartoon character? You are not an employer. We are not your employees. I feel silly responding to this mess but I'm feeling compelled to do so.
Same problem with having no products on the shelf at a store. If a company doesn't have a product to sell, then they make no money. The difference, however, is that a company can always get more products. Models come and go on cam sites every day. It's a revolving door. The platform, is the brand, the building, the marketing, the infrastructure. Going back to my previous analogy, Mickey Mouse isn't the boss, go to board meetings and certainly doesn't dictate how Disney does business.

DancesWithSloths
11-10-2016, 12:47 PM
Going back to my previous analogy, Mickey Mouse isn't the boss, go to board meetings and certainly doesn't dictate how Disney does business.

You seriously can't tell the difference between products and services, cartoon characters and animators?

No wonder Disney was wandering in the wilderness until Pixar (who knew that keeping the talent happy was the key to great animated films) took over their overly corporate ass.

I wash my hands, enjoy being a laughing stock.

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 12:51 PM
Did u just compare cammodels to Mickey Mouse a cartoon character? You are not an employer. We are not your employees. I feel silly responding to this mess but I'm feeling compelled to do so.

Yeah. I did. It's an analogy. I made a reference to Disney as a company in an earlier post. I was trying to wrap this conversation up with a nice little bow by touching base with my initial analogy. Would you prefer if I said a TV on the shelf of Walmart? I was trying to avoid as much of the obvious "objectification" cliche as I could of my previous post to cam models being "products." Mickey may be a fictional character, but so are the caricature personas that cam models create of themselves to put in front of the camera. I think it's quite apropos if you really think about it.

Oh, and to the previous comment about minimum wage/ benefits- I'm actually working on putting together a program to give models who earn over a certain threshold per pay period a stipend for healthcare. Its still in the works, but it is something that's on the list.