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SuperPookie
11-10-2016, 03:25 PM
Think happy thoughts people lol.

thegooddoctor
11-10-2016, 03:39 PM
I'm just going to leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNnRovCQj9k

BluJ
11-10-2016, 07:06 PM
If I'm going to work on a site, I expect the owner- someone who has my personal information and power over possible income- to be able to rise above petty insults and arguments(rise above, not point fingers and say she did it first), and be professional with his/her conduct. I expect them to take constructive criticism seriously, about themselves and the site(YES it's creepy to have you in our rooms- listen to that, don't just dismiss it), and not behave like every suggestion was just an insult.

I was very excited to hear about this site, however I also feel VERY uncomfortable with the way this post has gone, and will continue business elsewhere. I hope in the future for things to be more civil and polite, prudent and business-orientated. It might be best for the site to have a different representative who isn't the owner, someone who is more... diplomatically minded.











Or at least someone who doesn't spend his days writing many convoluted posts blasting models about not understanding the business of models while trying to recruit new models on a model forum.... yeah.

CatBBW
11-10-2016, 07:14 PM
You still work for someone else and when someone else requires you.

Oh. NO. Noooooooooooo. I work for no one else. I am freelance, independent, my own boss. I utilise sites - your site, their site, that site, this site - as and when *I* want or need to. I stick to the site rules and regs, still retaining my own rules and regs.

Your site is a TOOL. To be used as and when.

thegooddoctor
11-11-2016, 02:02 PM
Oh. NO. Noooooooooooo. I work for no one else. I am freelance, independent, my own boss. I utilise sites - your site, their site, that site, this site - as and when *I* want or need to. I stick to the site rules and regs, still retaining my own rules and regs.

Your site is a TOOL. To be used as and when.

This is devolving into arguing semantics at this point, but for the sake of academic debate, let me pose it to you this way, in three points. 1) While working on any of these platforms, do you accept payments directly from customers and/ or assume risk from charge backs, have a business license, etc? No, you do not. You accept "credits" which are exchanged for a paycheck at the end of a pay period. 2) Let's say, hypothetically, you didn't stick to site rules and regs, for whatever reason. Can you still be fired? Yes. Yes you can. 3) Do you receive employment tax documents from the site at the end of the year? Yes. Yes you do.

I do understand your perspective here. Yes, you can work where ever and whenever you want. That's not what I'm arguing here. No one forces you to work anywhere in particular. You always have the freedom to quit and move on to another job whenever you'd like. This isn't slavery. However, for the most part, there is still very little difference relative to any other job, given my above points. The only differences are that most platforms don't care if you work elsewhere as well, and most "regular" employers generally frown on moonlighting and secondly that in most regular jobs you do have set hours that you have to work instead of coming and going as you please. But that doesn't mean that you're not employed by the platform you're working on, especially given that you're receiving a paycheck and employment tax documents for working there. Furthermore, the fact that you can theoretically be fired for breaking the rules of a platform is indicative that there's someone above you hierarchically.

KatM
11-11-2016, 02:33 PM
Untill this thread is locked by the admins u'll continue to argue with us here, i just dont get it, it is insulting to us models the attitude u have towards cam models & how u look down on us calling us "tiny piece" in cam business world.

What is worse is that all this discussion is happening in an open forum where chat models AND other site owners/reps/admins get to read ur words and think IT IS MAYBE OKAY to treat their models the way you do, there are cam sites that actually treat models not right but we dont work that sites, us the independent cam models.

It's sad people and men like u exist really, you trigger a lot of bad memories here cause i dealt with bosses like u and men like u giving i come from an ex communist country where these practices existed and still exist; but u live in a different world, the real free world with the most democratic system and are like this! when several models are telling u they dont feel comfy when u enter their rooms to 'help' them u should simply listen u know? we have a saying here in my country "if more people are telling u u drunk then u go to sleep".

I recognize in u the pattern of a bad temper AT LEAST, insecurities and misogynist attitude, u the type of a cam member or man in general who come on a cam site to wank over us then calls us sluts lol, i wonder how u treat ur gf u know, i can guess already, same like u treat us models, looking down on us while pretending u wanna help. Some of ur points are valid but ur attitude sucks, why do u need to defend urself when nobody attacked u really? We just told u we dont feel comfy to be approached in that manner while trying to work, is the same like u enter over ur partner in the bathroom while the person is taking a shit, u invade my private space entering my chat room same like entering bathroom, making an analogy here; this is baffling really.

Your ego and bad temper is bigger than ur desire or need to make money, u shoot urself in the foot by driving models away ur site then u wonder why u dont grow as a cam site. Are u real or what? This thread should be locked cause u derailed it heavily, i can say for sure u dont have the wisdom to know when to talk and when to shut up and listen, u dont have what it takes to be a site owner, u an affiliate actually.....

stormi
11-12-2016, 02:42 PM
In any job, the person you work for is going to come over to you at some point and want to talk to you, especially when you're new to the gig. And most probably they'll just show up at your desk uninvited. They'll want to see how you're adjusting. They'll want to see if you understand the workload. They'll want to get to know you a bit. They're not being intrusive. They're not being creepy. They're doing their job. This is just the hierarchy of business.

I still don't understand why you go into models' chat room while they are working to bring them up to date on new features and ask them if they have any questions? Why not send them an introductory message or email? Some sites, like cammodeldirectory, will do a skype interview before they start streaming.
The male site admin chatting to me while I'm trying to get privates, doesn't just seem creepy, it is quite distracting as well.

When I'm on cam I put a lot of energy in being the sexy, erotic persona for my clients. Talking "shop" while I'm on cam isn't appropriate and would throw me off.

Also, it seems like you believe models are disposable by comparing them to products on shelves.No one likes that and I would assume that you as a site owner, would handle your critiques here in a more professional, constructive manner. This thread doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your site and I would be surprised if it lasts another year.

SuperPookie
11-12-2016, 04:44 PM
I think we can all agree that there isn't going to be a conclusion to this difference of opinion that pleases all so perhaps it might not be a bad idea to just let it lie and keep the thread for more mundane questions about this site :).

thegooddoctor
11-13-2016, 02:19 PM
I still don't understand why you go into models' chat room while they are working to bring them up to date on new features and ask them if they have any questions? Why not send them an introductory message or email? Some sites, like cammodeldirectory, will do a skype interview before they start streaming.
The male site admin chatting to me while I'm trying to get privates, doesn't just seem creepy, it is quite distracting as well.

When I'm on cam I put a lot of energy in being the sexy, erotic persona for my clients. Talking "shop" while I'm on cam isn't appropriate and would throw me off.

Also, it seems like you believe models are disposable by comparing them to products on shelves.No one likes that and I would assume that you as a site owner, would handle your critiques here in a more professional, constructive manner. This thread doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your site and I would be surprised if it lasts another year.

Why not send an intro email? Because I'm not confident that models actually read those emails. That said the skype interview prior to starting streaming is a pretty good idea that I'm certainly not opposed to. The one issue that I can forsee is that all sites get a lot of registrations but the models never actually log on. This could either 1) waste a lot of my time talking to models who don't actually have any interest in camming or conversely 2) head off a lot of those junk applications from getting approved in the first place. It's definitely something that I will seriously consider. Thank you for that suggestion.

Oh, and as for how I respond to critiques- there's a big difference between constructive criticism, and people just criticizing. Your comment was constructive, and I feel that warrants a respectful response. Others just bitch and complain to hear the sound of their own voices and make personal attacks. That, conversely, I will not abide.

Edit- I can foresee the follow up to this would be about me being nicer "because I came onto this site to recruit models." I would like to make one thing clear- I created an account on this site because there was a thread about my site where people were asking questions. I had never heard of this site prior to that. I'm not here to recruit. Most (certainly not all, but I'd venture the vast majority) people on this site are too vanilla for what we do on MFL. I came here to respond to questions. You (collectively) don't have to like my answers. That's your right. Your feelings are always valid. But when someone doesn't like what I have to say and then escalates it by making it personal by hurling insults around, I'm going to defend myself and my position. I have a right to take issue with someone who makes personal insults because of a business position I take.

sexysusie
11-13-2016, 03:34 PM
Unfortunately your position isn't very business like, so the reactions here are to be expected.

There are currently exactly 8 models showing as online right now, all from russian studios, and only two in paid (group) shows. They are dressed in their lingerie, sucking dildos, and looking extremely bored. The ones with a profile bio state their interests as 'watching you' 'playing naughty' and having 'big round tits and ass'. That.. is not fetish! Which is a real pity because there really were some models from here initially who were excited to think you might actually have a good new alternative to kink live. Had you actually listened to them, and done more research beyond reading the drivel of other aspiring affiliate pimps on GFY, you could be making some real money right now. As it stands all you have is an empty vanilla site with no traffic, and an intrusive, condescending approach to model management which is sending potential new models running for the hills.

thegooddoctor
11-13-2016, 03:58 PM
Unfortunately your position isn't very business like, so the reactions here are to be expected.

There are currently exactly 8 models showing as online right now, all from russian studios, and only two in paid (group) shows. They are dressed in their lingerie, sucking dildos, and looking extremely bored. The ones with a profile bio state their interests as 'watching you' 'playing naughty' and having 'big round tits and ass'. That.. is not fetish! Which is a real pity because there really were some models from here initially who were excited to think you might actually have a good new alternative to kink live. Had you actually listened to them, and done more research beyond reading the drivel of other aspiring affiliate pimps on GFY, you could be making some real money right now. As it stands all you have is an empty vanilla site with no traffic, and an intrusive, condescending approach to model management which is sending potential new models running for the hills.

^ This is exactly the escalation that I was talking about. Over a YEAR ago, this woman didn't like the fact that I didn't want to do business with someone whom she recommended, because I got a bad vibe off of the person. Now, I have every right to do, or not do business with whomever I choose, and I didn't trust the guy who I heard many more negative than positive things about and wanted me to outsource my entire payroll to him so he could take a cut. And for this entire past year, this woman has responded with nothing but personal attacks and vitriol. And it is THAT combative attitude, and a handful of others that blindly jump to her aid and attack me because I disagree with her and dare to defend myself- because I'm a man and therefore have no idea what I'm talking about and am wrong regardless of facts, which has caused me to be a bit short tempered and to think less of this site and those who post on it as a whole.

But let's tackle one interesting point Susie made here. A model doing a nonfetish show or having nonfetish things in her profile. I believe, Susie, that you make the point that a model is independent, and I, the site owner, am not her boss. Do I have the right to tell her what to do in her show? No. I feel safe to say that you would agree that I don't. So why are you giving me flak about what a model is doing on my site? That's not something I have control over. And if I did try to exercise some control over that, you'd give me flak about being a dictator and that I have no right to tell a model what she can and can't do on her show. You can't have it both ways. Your hypocrisy is showing there.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-13-2016, 04:16 PM
^ This is exactly the escalation that I was talking about. Over a YEAR ago, this woman didn't like the fact that I didn't want to do business with someone whom she recommended, because I got a bad vibe off of the person. Now, I have every right to do, or not do business with whomever I choose, and I didn't trust the guy who I heard many more negative than positive things about and wanted me to outsource my entire payroll to him so he could take a cut. And for this entire past year, this woman has responded with nothing but personal attacks and vitriol. And it is THAT combative attitude, and a handful of others that blindly jump to her aid and attack me because I disagree with her and dare to defend myself- because I'm a man and therefore have no idea what I'm talking about and am wrong regardless of facts, which has caused me to be a bit short tempered and to think less of this site and those who post on it as a whole.

But let's tackle one interesting point Susie made here. A model doing a nonfetish show or having nonfetish things in her profile. I believe, Susie, that you make the point that a model is independent, and I, the site owner, am not her boss. Do I have the right to tell her what to do in her show? No. I feel safe to say that you would agree that I don't. So why are you giving me flak about what a model is doing on my site? That's not something I have control over. And if I did try to exercise some control over that, you'd give me flak about being a dictator and that I have no right to tell a model what she can and can't do on her show. You can't have it both ways. Your hypocrisy is showing there.

This woman is a professional cammodel who knows her stuff. Regardless of the past experiences between the two of you thinking that everyone else here is so weak to follow one persons lead is just silly. So now going forward because you have clearly stated over and over again that you don't think much of the people on this forum or it's concept perhaps its time you took off?

DonaDiabla
11-13-2016, 06:40 PM
I do have to agree with you, SexySusie. Frankly, you also right about xxXpanded as well. Just wanted to say that :)



Unfortunately your position isn't very business like, so the reactions here are to be expected.

There are currently exactly 8 models showing as online right now, all from russian studios, and only two in paid (group) shows. They are dressed in their lingerie, sucking dildos, and looking extremely bored. The ones with a profile bio state their interests as 'watching you' 'playing naughty' and having 'big round tits and ass'. That.. is not fetish! Which is a real pity because there really were some models from here initially who were excited to think you might actually have a good new alternative to kink live. Had you actually listened to them, and done more research beyond reading the drivel of other aspiring affiliate pimps on GFY, you could be making some real money right now. As it stands all you have is an empty vanilla site with no traffic, and an intrusive, condescending approach to model management which is sending potential new models running for the hills.

KatM
11-13-2016, 10:36 PM
Same here, i dont care to insult anyone just caring for myself cause i entrusted this man with my personal information 1 year ago in order to stream on his site, how things derailed in between is worrying, i never in my 15 years on cam met any site owner, rep or CEO like this & believe me when i say i talked to site owners directly & been helped with site features, i am not showing off in here but telling the truth; the difference is all the talk was off my live cam room, was on skype or yahoo messenger, these people never typed in my chat room for members to see when checking on my video stream or sound.

This practice also kills the member fantasy regarding us being on cam there ready for them, when they get to read how 'we are being trained' by site owner/rep/admin it gives a 'reality check' on them LOL, i know i want them to believe i am there on cam looking for fun and for them to play with, dont want them to see the 'restaurant kitchen talk' & how i am being instructed how to get their money if this makes sense at all.
More of, the site owner talking to members in my chatroom?! Never heard of or saw this before, that's even worse, i think people in here missed this little detail he typed in one of the messages.
If i knew these all from the very beginning i would not have signed up on this platform and being very honest here, that's the reason i left the site cause i streamed 2 times all together and as soon as i got live on cam he appeared too.

When the 'training issue' came up again a sw friend of mine told me about it so i came in here to give input but then things derailed even more and now we have this mess. Very sad indeed :(
This is the risk with new cam sites, u just dont know from the beginning what people u going to deal with and entrust with personal information.

Sinna (2pee4you)
11-14-2016, 05:40 PM
[...]which has caused me to be a bit short tempered and to think less of this site and those who post on it as a whole.


[...]I did not say "everyone." I specifically referred to a "handful" of people. There's a big difference there. I was not making a broad generalization about the member base of this site as a whole.

yes you were.

Djoser
11-29-2016, 03:59 AM
Please report suspected trolls, rather than posting that the member is a troll, explaining why, etc. I have cleaned up what recent posts like that, which I saw from both ends, but might have missed something.

I am very close to closing the thread.

Just to add--any cam site has the capacity to monitor live shows, and most of them do, to some extent. But there are good & bad ways to do so.

Also, the fact that the owner or staff are monitoring a given show doesn't mean shit as far as proving they are just perverts or creepy. I was a monitor for the Scheduled Public shows for ChatGF for 2-3 years--only the owner & his asst monitored privates, & that was rare. I have had to watch private dance/VIP/CR cameras to a varying extent for the last 8 years in 3 clubs. It's Work. Nothing to get turned on by, because of that fact. I'd much rather not have to fuck with it.

Not to say there aren't a few pervs and creeps out there, sad to say.

sexysusie
11-29-2016, 01:38 PM
It's been reported dozens of times. Theres a huge difference between monitoring a session invisibly for essential purposes, and being publicly intrusive. The latter is completely unprofessional and makes the model feel uncomfortable.

Djoser
11-30-2016, 06:10 AM
It's been reported dozens of times. Theres a huge difference between monitoring a session invisibly for essential purposes, and being publicly intrusive. The latter is completely unprofessional and makes the model feel uncomfortable.

If that is the case, it would be unprofessional, yes.

SuperPookie
04-12-2017, 04:13 PM
Just that I'd see if anyone has anything good to say about this site since I posted last. I went on to update my profile as I haven't been on in ages and girls where just sitting around topless or doing full masturbation shows in free chat.

untame
01-31-2018, 09:11 PM
Is this site still worth trying out?
I’ll be in the ABDL category
Any updates or current models using this site?

SuperPookie
07-05-2018, 05:44 PM
Is this site still worth trying out?
I’ll be in the ABDL category
Any updates or current models using this site?

I'd totally forgot I was even on this site until I noticed a comment I'd made in a different thread ages ago. I wonder if it still even exists?

naomi_doll
07-05-2018, 08:17 PM
Yeah it's still there, though theres only 7 girls on as I type this.

chloemay
07-06-2018, 10:52 AM
He posted a pic of himself in his Office of Superiority a while back on Twitter/ myfetishlive, if anyone is interested in what the Gooddoctor aka King of mansplaining looks like overseeing his empire.

SuperPookie
07-07-2018, 01:33 PM
The official King of Mansplaining title belongs to my ex so Doc can only be prince lol