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ShyCamgirlBB
12-05-2015, 09:14 PM
Of course I believe the women. The whole thing sounds fucked up. All the terrible things he is accused of. Wth! Its always the "nice guys" that feel so entitled and fuck shit up. I am sure there are respectable porn guys but he made them all look like slime.

And what a way to ruin your career, just as you were crossing over into mainstream

EastCoastDancer01
12-05-2015, 10:26 PM
Most guys who give the impression of being ''nice guys'' are really snakes in sheep clothing. Especially in that industry!

Omegaphallic
12-09-2015, 06:10 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/08/james-deen-breaks-his-silence-i-am-completely-baffled.html

His side of things. He actually makes alot of good points.

He even offered some evidence that at least some of his accusers are publicly contradicting themselves.

He does admit to being an asshole and jerk.

I don't know if he did it or not, but I do know that all the anti BDSM, Rough Sex, Porn vultures are circling, waiting to feast.

I will also admit that its pretty fucked up to try and make money off the guy that you accuse of raping you, I mean its like come to my site to see this exclusive scenes were I have sex with my rapist, I know its rough sex/BDSM, but I mean how the fuck is someone in good conscience supposed to fap that, especially if they think he's guilty of being a real life rapist?

I understand that you don't want to lose out on the money, but fuck can you really blame them for going WTF when you still actively pimping your accused rapist's ass out on your website?

Personally I prefer Keiran Lee, I saw him doing interviews of pornstars on you tube and he was funny as fuck.

I read he once used Lisa Anne's cell to tweet, as her, I shit my pant, LMFAO, he later apologized, but I couldn't help but laugh my ass off.

So he might be an asshole too, but at least he's a funny one.

sexysusie
12-09-2015, 08:22 PM
Doesn't matter if they've contradicted themselves, it's very, VERY unlikely for women to lie about sexual assault. They stand to lose everything and gain nothing. All those women coming forward and you seriously think for a second there's nothing to it? He just reeks of creep through and through.

tempest666
12-09-2015, 08:55 PM
Have any of the accusers sought legal counsel? I'm curious to see how this will play out in a court of law.

justsometwat
12-10-2015, 07:49 AM
I don't know if he did it or not, but I think people are getting to comfortable taking to social media to air their private lives. If he did rape her she should have spoken to the police first and waited for them to do their jobs. This reminds me of this story: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mother-outraged-after-driver-hits-kills-son-then-posts-pictures-n448781. The guy posted a picture of the kid's dead body on twitter instead of calling 911.

He is very rough with women in his videos and I would imagine he is like that off screen too, so I am not saying I doubt her, but this is a he said - she said situation and unless you were there you won't know who is telling the truth. With media and social media people are being crucified by the audience before they can even be taken to trial. There's no innocent until proven guilty. This will only get worse as time goes on, everyone has a cellphone in their hands.

I am sure if he wanted he would sue her for defamation and would probably win money from her since he was dropped by a few companies. What if he didn't do it? His whole life is ruined now because she said he did it and everyone believed her. Like I said though, I don't know if he is guilty or not so it doesn't matter what I think.

I've known of a few people that claimed they were pregnant then suddenly lost the baby, but they lied about the whole thing. You'd think people wouldn't lie about something like that but they do it for attention even after they get caught.

ShyCamgirlBB
12-10-2015, 10:29 AM
The women accusing admitted that they were afraid to speak out early. There is a huge stigma against porn actresses, like any other female sex worker, and they were afraid no one would believe them. Some of the articles the women talk about the mysoginistic concept of "an unrapeable whore". Everything he has said so far sounds like he's tiptoeing around the issue. He admits to being a jerk but says everything was consensual? Also passing the buck to Kink saying that bwcause the company allowed them to live communally, they wanted to create an off camera sexual atmosphere....okay buddy he is your typical rape apologist

BambiCutie
12-10-2015, 10:34 AM
He will get a slap on the hand, 5/7 years prison time and will be out before you know it. The system is not in favor of rape victims and there is little justice to be made, as much as they want to appear respectful of woman and children suffering sexual abuse..they could give 0 fucks. Lets hope those woman have some thick evidence against him like Bill Cosby who drugged his victims into silence. He is lucky to have that old, innocent face to rely on.. Woman of sexual violence don't speak out due to it involving that person's family, sons, daughters, cousins..whatever coming after them if they seek action. You are talking about involving someone else's life that has impacted your self image to literally dirt. People don't believe them because "they cried wolf, that wolf has been long gone from the incident" They can come back and are likely to rape them all over again as there is no law of protection, so we remain silent. Imagine a child 4 years old going through that..it should be no different for woman!

Bahuba
12-10-2015, 10:41 AM
I would hope anyone who suffered a sexual assault would go to the police immediately.

Mr. Sevilla would, if charged, be incarcerated or bonded, and if he is convicted, it would be a great blow to those who say that adult actresses "can't be raped". On the other hand, if his accusers focus solely on social media, it will hurt victims, many of whom do not have access to followers or publicity.

As it is, many are speculating that this is a publicity stunt, no matter how absurd that may seem. Without charges, Mr. Sevilla will be seen by public opinion to be exonerated, and the negative characterization of sex workers will continue.

BambiCutie
12-10-2015, 10:46 AM
They can't go to the police, they will do absolutely nothing and if there was a chance of them doing something it would be very unlikely that the person would be behind bars more than a few months till a trial can take place in 1/2 years or more. I also have been fighting rape as a very small child that was extremely violent using drugs, it makes you very numb to yourself and harsh insults or attempts to make you feel bad about it doesn't matter. He smiles with a big smirk knowing there nothing you can do.. They take your innocence and something very important while others tell you they took nothing and to be strong from it. (which is very challenging)

baby-cougar
12-10-2015, 10:48 AM
I would hope anyone who suffered a sexual assault would go to the police immediately.

That's how it SHOULD be, but unfortunately reality isn't very kind to victims of sexual assault. The two out of three times I've been assaulted I decided not to go to the police after I saw how they handled the assault cases of my friends. And this is while we were just students - I can't imagine the degree of skepticism and belittlement sex workers would have to endure just to report their cases.

SweetJulia
12-10-2015, 10:57 AM
Not to sound petty, but I never understood how women found him attractive in the first place. This happening on a bondage set where trust and limits are supposed to be valued more than ever is disgusting and he should have been fired with the first allegation.

tempest666
12-10-2015, 02:28 PM
Even if he isn't charged criminally is there enough evidence for a civil suit?

Bahuba
12-10-2015, 02:48 PM
That's how it SHOULD be, but unfortunately reality isn't very kind to victims of sexual assault. The two out of three times I've been assaulted I decided not to go to the police after I saw how they handled the assault cases of my friends. And this is while we were just students - I can't imagine the degree of skepticism and belittlement sex workers would have to endure just to report their cases.

That's got to stop! How can people engage the justice system if they can't even feel supported to make a report? What recourse does that leave sex workers or anyone else who doesn't have a large following? Obviously a trial has to be innocent until proven guilty, but the process of getting to trial should be as trouble free as possible.

On the other hand, the fact that the SOB got a short sentence isn't as bad as it used to be. Rape has a very high recidivism rate and people don't forgive. That conviction will be a millstone for a very long time.

lynn2009
12-10-2015, 03:11 PM
Isn't it kink.com that said he was kicked off a group scene for not following boundaries? Some poor girl got lock jaw after he slapped her so hard with a gag in her mouth or something. After he started harassing her with a toy that was on her no list and he got all pissy he couldn't use it.

James Deen has always creeped me out because on wikipedia it says he's wanted to be a porn star since he was five.

He gave a good interview but he's had a lot of time at this point to put a lot of PR shit together.

Kitcatt
12-10-2015, 04:02 PM
Oh there are so many horrifying stories, and yeah, to the people who naysay that it happened there's plenty of corroborating evidence from MALE pornstars as well that he was beyond out of line. And it looks like they took the route of filing a complaint with OSHA

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/30/james-deen-porns-missing-stair/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/joanna-angel-opens-up-about-james-deen-s-alleged-abuse-he-really-is-a-scary-person.html

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/12/10/porn-star-james-deen-company-investigated-after-female-performers-say-raped/

TrifilinCamHo
12-10-2015, 09:45 PM
I must admit I am kinda bummed out about this for selfish reasons. Considering that women are not the target audience for porn, his stuff was hot and I liked watching it, and I think alot of other chicks did too. So of course he turns out to be a total scumbag. Just like, why can't we ever have nice things?

That being said the porn industry is handling this waaaaaay better than most Universities handle rape allegations, so that's a thing. Also it's nice to see that the general public appears to be supportive of Stoya and the other victims, as opposed to the whole yucky "how can a sex worker even get RAPED" attitude.

BambiCutie
12-10-2015, 10:41 PM
That's got to stop! How can people engage the justice system if they can't even feel supported to make a report? What recourse does that leave sex workers or anyone else who doesn't have a large following? Obviously a trial has to be innocent until proven guilty, but the process of getting to trial should be as trouble free as possible.

On the other hand, the fact that the SOB got a short sentence isn't as bad as it used to be. Rape has a very high recidivism rate and people don't forgive. That conviction will be a millstone for a very long time.

There is plenty regarding rape victims in support of coming forward however, it isn't so much the issue of engaging in a justice system that is already bad as is. Its about limitations preventing a victim from speaking out. Being placed in dangerous situations involving harassment by not only the rapist, family members, accusations made by random people who criticize and judge them immediately before describing their events. There isn't much belief when a victim cries out and the limitations actually makes it worse coming forward after trauma, the system is anything but trouble free. The Bill Cosby case is very important because it may extend the limitation up to 20 years in Cali and that in itself is what may help us come forward. There is no justice for rape at the moment and may not be anytime soon..giving hope is like dangling something over a victims head that more than likely makes no impact. I am not sure why people think there is remaining justice/glimmer of possibility and many have fought tooth and nail to no prevail. Its hard not to be negative towards something that is given little attention..

1) They have to wait years before a trial, this causes panic, worries, fears and flashes of their rape including what may happen afterwards. (Some have to change their names)
2) You have to talk about the rape all over again to random sitting strangers staring at you, sometimes even in front of the rapist. (Some decide only to speak privately recorded, but its still uncomfortable regardless of choice.)
3) They may not have any justice in the end, roam free to torment them all over again.
4) Family members of the rapist can sometimes hold resentment/track down and treat the victim as a liar causing new chaos in their life.
5) They are being judged by everyone in a courtroom.
6) It cost a pretty penny to lawyer up and finding someone who will take a rape case is very hard to find if the deck of cards is not stacked in their favor. (Evidence is the most important thing. If you don't have it, you more than likely will not succeed in the trial. Cases are also denied a few times before acceptance.)

So remaining silent after rape, is a way the human body stops trauma from becoming physically impacting. By opening up new wounds, you are asking for trigger attacks and more infliction of past pain (Its like, not being able to take deep breaths without feeling all heavy and emotionally struck, your stomach sinks like a brick, you feel cornered scratching for a way out, heart is fluttering, sweating, insomnia and the flash backs that feel like sudden bangs is like reliving it all over again.) Till something changes in extensive punishment and the Statutes of Limitations, rape will continue. For example, I once went to a dinner gathering with an old friend and her family during the holidays. A little girl who looked very much like me as a child mumbled she was raped by a guy who was sitting on the couch. I regret not saying something because you could tell she was telling the truth and all you had to do was look at the guy who was shifting around in a panic. The Mother then yelled at her along with other members saying, "You liar, you did this once before and you are doing it again! You brat, you liar, you better apologies, terrible you would do this to us on Thanksgiving, why would you say that? Go to your room!" Kids/adults/teenagers are forced into silence by those sometimes closest to them. Also, rapist usually go on with their lives like nothing ever happened..even after court.

sexysusie
12-10-2015, 11:17 PM
It makes me so fucking angry just THINKING about this! I have been fortunate to never have been a victim of this type of assault but I have an ex girlfriend who was raped 3 times, and a (male) friend who was sexually abused as a child. My friend is now in his 50's and has just had a horrific year going through the courts reliving everything so he could be a witness for his niece who the bastard did the same thing to. It is HARROWING what victims have to go through. Trust me, no one puts themselves up for that kind of torture without reason. Rapists and abusers should be put away for life!

BustyVixen
12-11-2015, 09:42 PM
I work in porn occasionally and have for years. I don't know him and I don't shoot scenes like that but there have been other performers who basically told me to steer clear of him. I believe all of the women.

MelissaRenee
12-13-2015, 11:22 AM
Ugh, playing the "crazy woman" card and trying to say Stoya is pissed because she found out him and his new girlfriend are moving in together? I'm pretty sure that Stoya has other things to worry about than what that worm is doing.

He always skeeved me out a bit. I read some article about a girl who applied to shoot a scene with him on his site, and while it sounded like she had a good experience and everything was consensual, it weirded me out the way he basically groomed her by taking her out on a "Valentines date" and things.

I believe Stoya and the other women who have come forward. Deen has more reason to lie about the allegations being "false and defamatory" than them saying these things.

miss.a.p1600
12-13-2015, 12:11 PM
I posted earlier but deleted but shouldn't have.

The issue with rape especially in this case is
1) when there is no "proof" how do you know who is lying
2) rapist are generally clever - they rape people are less likely to be believed (ex uneducated women, sex workers, drug abusers/addicts, poor people, etc.) and in situations where no witnesses could tell - essentially creating a he said she said scenario.
3) It's sad but there are cases where 'vicitims' have lied about being raped - regretted having sex, extortion plot, mentally ill, etc - thus making it harder for real victims to come forward out of fear of not being believed.

However if stoya is telling the truth then it's good she's coming forward to stop an alleged rapist before he can have opportunities to rape more people.

BlasianBytch
01-02-2016, 12:04 PM
Every time I've spoken with/ had to be around that guy he gave me the creeps.

Omegaphallic
01-03-2016, 01:20 PM
Stoya has stopped no one from doing anything, he hasn't been charged with anything and while he has been blacked list by some companies he has his own.

There is evidence that most of the rape allegations are false, I wish there was a single sight where all the evidence has been gathered.

As for false rape allegations being rare, they're not, there is research showing they're not. They might not be the majority of accusations, but they're not rare either.

In California YOU DON'T NEED CORRABORATING EVIDENCE to convict on charges of sexual assualt, you don't need to prove he did it, he has to prove he couldn't have done it. If they can't get a conviction in California it means they know there is evidence of his innocence.

5 to 7 years is not a slap on the wrist, ask people who have gone to prison, its worse then being raped, but its a just punish in cases where their is rape, but no long term injuries. I'm not making light of rape, just making the point about how horrible prison is.

lynn2009
01-03-2016, 01:31 PM
its worse then being raped.

is this a joke?

Omegaphallic
01-03-2016, 01:58 PM
Actually go look up James Deen Truth twitter feed and you can find out alot.

NoRegrets
01-03-2016, 02:29 PM
Omegaphallic, I have no idea what happened with James Deen. But I do have a friend that was raped. Don't minimize how that traumatizes someone for life.

BustyVixen
01-06-2016, 11:30 AM
So you believe things from a Twitter feed?

espikvlt
01-07-2016, 11:47 PM
I believe women that have been raped and have been too afraid to come out about it. I believe women whose lives could be destroyed by coming out about what happened to them.

And as someone who has dealt with it personally, I am not fond of people saying she "should have gone to the police first." There are many reasons why someone wouldn't go to the police.

Bahuba
01-08-2016, 02:02 AM
I believe women that have been raped and have been too afraid to come out about it. I believe women whose lives could be destroyed by coming out about what happened to them.

And as someone who has dealt with it personally, I am not fond of people saying she "should have gone to the police first." There are many reasons why someone wouldn't go to the police.

Ok, but we have this whole justice system. It is, whether it works well or not, for us, by us, because of us. It is the only way any rapist will get adequately punished.

Look at the Bill Cosby situation. Most of America only took it seriously when he was indicted, and that is the only real consequence he faces.

Of course, if you, or any victim (I'm not saying you have been) decide not to report a crime against you, that is your choice. But if it is because you feel you won't get adequate justice, or if you feel intimidated by the perpetrator of the crime, we as a people, have to fix that. That shouldn't be something that someone bears in silence.