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Dave-Hopeful
12-10-2015, 10:57 PM
Hello. :)

I hope that I'm not breaking the rules by registering here. This appears to be the biggest sex worker forum on the internet but, as sex is pretty deeply ingrained in our patriarchal society, most of the hardworking people here are women. As a result, the professional section of the forum is ladies' only, which I hope I'm adequately respecting here. :)

That being said, I am a gay man who is in need of some cash and fast, and I was hoping to become a male cam model. I'm not finding much about it on the internet, so I came here in hopes that someone might be able to help me, or direct me to a place with some more information related to my topic, if all else fails. I was recommended by a cam model female friend of mine to try joining CAM4, but I also appeared to find a place called All Male Webcam Modeling? I know a lot of these places are sketchy and can scam honest folk out of their money, so I'm trying to seek as much information as possible.

The idea of going into sex work scares me, I'm not going to lie--though mostly for the fact that I don't wanna get burned--but I don't have many other options. I'm a bit of an exhibitionist and already take pics for free and have been giving kind gentleman free shows if they fancy me, so I think I will settle in once I find a reputable place of work, it's just the actual "taking the plunge" that is frightening me.

Thank you for your time; have a pleasant day. Please pardon me and I hope that I'm not breaking any rules.

sexysusie
12-11-2015, 09:07 PM
You can't post in there but read this thread thoroughly to make sure you know who to sign up with and who to avoid! https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)

Wecamgirls forum seems populated by 'camboys' so you might find information there.

Kayden
12-12-2015, 08:27 AM
Guys can post in Industry Insight (primarily content-focused) and Other Work (escorting-focused). Though it is possible that your thread might get merged with the camguys general which you can already find here.

All Male Webcam Modeling sounds suspicious, when they say "up to 70%" the first thought that comes to mind is that the site (the site you're *actually* working on) will take their cut, say, if it's bad they'll take 70% and you'd get 30% AND THEN this thing will take additional 30% out of your 30%.

*Cam4 and Chaturbate both seem to be gaining momentum, probably thanks to their "built-in" marketing (people are finding these sites themselves, so the webmaster middle men (often using misleading tactics like those chat bots to try to attract customers) can be cut out), this means an actually sane cut from gross earnings - 50%.

*Good ole Flirt4Free (F4F), if you ask me this is the "Streamate for guys", have you ever seen those pop-ups of chat rooms when browsing gay porn sites? 90% it was F4F - they actually seem to be actively working to bring traffic for guys. Your cut starts at 29%, once you go on a higher tier you get more. There was a successful female model who was trying them out and she was successful in convincing them to cut her a deal (Idk, how much that was, perhaps 35% or 40% starting) She had quite a bit of social media following though, so this might be reason why she was successful with them cutting a special deal.

Back when F4F had these badges of lifetime earnings hallmarks achieved by a model it was very easy to calculate how much they're making (their cut), and many had earnings that one could hardly complain about, e.g., $1k/week on average (across the months or years they've worked). Of course it does not mean that it's universal. I guess my point is that with nice, steady traffic it may be possible to earn more with a shitty percentage (like 29%) than with low quality traffic at higher percentage. A big bonus is their site culture which pushes for prices that may be seen as "high" on other sites - their default is $6/min (rather ironic, considering many more female-centric sites actually *force* new models to perform for 0.99/min for their initial period, really makes one wonder about how much real, unadulterated misogyny there is in this industry...)

You should take all of the above with a HUGE grain of salt as I've personally not worked on ANY of those sites, so there's that. I've worked (and made money) on: LJ, IML, SM and cams.com. I think all of these sites are pretty shitty for male models (maybe LJ could have some promise, maybe SM could be somewhat workable.) But each site has its own culture and just because females do good on a particular site doesn't mean that it will translate to males.

Issabelle
12-12-2015, 10:17 AM
Yes, Susie is correct in linking you to the thread regarding avoiding studios.

Studios, to be clear, are most often digital groups run by a studio owner who takes a percentage of your earnings to have you in the studio. They'll all claim they promote you, get you better placement, bring you more traffic, will train you, etc., but the number of studios who actually do is low enough to effectively be zero. They always take a % of your money for their 'help' however.

How can you tell if it's a studio? The easiest way is to figure out how quickly you can find the 'Become A Model' page. If that link is somewhere at the very bottom of the home page, it's probably the direct site where you sign up as an independent model (no studio) and get the maximum percentage of every dollar spent on you. If the home page is a whole log of flashy graphics and a giant form asking for all your info to get you signed up asap, it's almost guaranteed to be a studio.

'All Male Webcam Modeling' definitely falls in the second category--it's a studio and, by the looks of it, the scummiest studio around, as they take nearly half of your money through creative contract wording and sign you up to a bunch of OTHER main sites to prevent you from going independent elsewhere when you figure out their bullshit. STAY THE FUCK AWAY!

Oh, better yet--it's a STREAMATE STUDIO and looks to be owned by Internet M0deling. Scummiest studio around: confirmed. The twitter feed is of cammodels.com links, which are model affiliate links for Streamate. If you sign on with that sketch-ass place, you'll get 20% of every dollar you earn instead of the 35% on the dollar you'd make as an independent model. Yes, they take nearly half of your money.

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Decent sites that allow male models:

Streamate.com - shows are pay-per-minute (premium group shows OR exclusive 1-on-1 shows) with the option to do gold shows (group show; set block of time with minimum buy per member in that you set ($1+); enough people tip in to get you the total goal $$$ to start the show and you do it). Payout is 35% on the dollar, with the option to drive your own traffic (via twitter and what not) for an extra 20-40% payout. Traffic here is considered some of the best in the industry and one of the easier sites for new models to learn on. Independent account sign up here: http://streamate.com/becomeamodel/

Chaturbate - token based site, where each token is worth $.05 for the model (roughly 50%, as tokens cost between $.065-$.10 for customers to purchase). If you make 20 tokens, you've made $1, savvy? This site caters to public shows and has a site culture that encourages tipping. Multiple apps can be used to play games that encourage tipping and you can sell items/have off-site contact with customers MUCH more easily than Streamate (no contact with customers offline policy). Sign up direct here: https://chaturbate.com/accounts/register/

Cam4 is also good, yes. Token site like Chaturbate. Their direct link to their homepage is here: http://www.cam4.com/

Flirt4Free - friendly towards new models and very similar to Streamate, but with lower traffic. They have more options to contact customers off-site and sell products, however, so that makes up for itself. They DO have a sliding-scale percentage of payout, starting with like 26-28% I believe. It's very low, but it does build up over time as you earn more. In this case, you can start off at a flat 30% payout fee (and stay there forever!) by signing on with Katy Boleyn's Daily Pay program (google Boleyn Models daily pay to find it). She's one of those rare 'studios' that isn't scummy--she takes a % of your earnings to pay you every single day instead of you having to wait for the site to cut the check in 2-4 weeks. She negotiated a flat starting % with them meaning you start higher, but there is no chance of upping your pay % later. I've been with her personally for 1.5 years.

'Indy' sites - Cam Model Directory, Live Cam Model Shows, and SkyPrivate. These sites do not drive traffic towards you at all in any way and require that you use skype to conduct all of your shows. In exchange, they host your advertisements for free and act as a payment processor for you, meaning they cover any charge backs from a customer who decided he didn't wanna pay for his porn and the very expensive nature of adult transaction processing. These sites pay between 75-85% on the dollar. You can sell skype shows, Kik/texting sessions, videos, etc., on each.

Dave-Hopeful
12-12-2015, 01:16 PM
Thank you all very much for your help! I appreciate the insights. I know it's easy to get scammed in businesses like these--there's no consideration toward sex workers! It infuriates me so. Issabelle, in particular--not to downplay the help everyone else provided--I appreciate the detailed explanations. I'm currently trying to get verified with Chaturbate. It seems to have a nice interface and it seems easy to start with. Streamate is a name I keep hearing over and over for guys to try and enter the business, so I may switch over to it after getting a feel for what I need to do.

I mean, I just... really appreciate you all taking some time out of your day, time you could be spending on getting paid, to help me out. I know how easy it is for any scumlord piece of crap to say, "Hey, I'm a gay guy who wants to show his dick for money, yeah, totally not a straight guy pretending or anything to get access to a safe place for sex workers!" But I really need money badly, I've done private Skype shows for some guys before, and I have a Tumblr blog where I posted pics for fun, and I think I can do this. Thank you all so much.

Tsani
12-12-2015, 01:30 PM
I also wanted to mention that my forums at http://camconcierge.com/forums has a section for cam guys and another section for verified cam guys. Only the general and classifieds sections can be seen without logging in so it's a bit less "out in the open" than here. I'll be honest, my forums have been pretty dead lately, but maybe if enough guys get tired of just posting in one thread in this section they'll want to bring the convo over there where they've got room to make multiple threads? Just throwing that out there.

Good info can be found here of course and also wecamgirls as mentioned before. Welcome to StripperWeb and I wish you luck! :D

Dave-Hopeful
12-13-2015, 01:05 PM
Thank you Tsani! I will check them out. :) I got accepted and verified on Chaturbate to collect Tokens, and I'm going to use that to test the waters. My first show is today, so let's hope it goes well.

Issabelle
12-13-2015, 02:39 PM
Good luck with CB (Chaturbate). If you find that token sites aren't working for you, swing by and try out Streamate (SM) for a privates based site. I'd also strongly recommend you try out indy sites like Cam Model Directory and SkyPrivate, as those shows pay a higher percentage and are done over Skype (meaning you schedule them and pick your own rates). You should be able to read the threads about these sites in Camming Connection even though you can't reply, which should answer questions you have.

Head's up: do what you can to draw shows out on these sites. A lot of guys will want to see you cum and, as I'm sure you know, once you cum your shift is more or less over for the day, so try to drag it out with tease shows.

Dave-Hopeful
12-13-2015, 05:28 PM
Thanks Issabelle! I definitely will. I got done with my first day, a short shift of like 2 and a half hours? And... I loved it! I had a good turnout in terms of viewership, though the cash of course was meager. I think I can get into this.

Thanks everyone so much for your help! ♥

sexysusie
12-14-2015, 10:53 PM
Good luck with CB (Chaturbate). If you find that token sites aren't working for you, swing by and try out Streamate (SM) for a privates based site. I'd also strongly recommend you try out indy sites like Cam Model Directory and SkyPrivate, as those shows pay a higher percentage and are done over Skype (meaning you schedule them and pick your own rates). You should be able to read the threads about these sites in Camming Connection even though you can't reply, which should answer questions you have.

Head's up: do what you can to draw shows out on these sites. A lot of guys will want to see you cum and, as I'm sure you know, once you cum your shift is more or less over for the day, so try to drag it out with tease shows.

Ahh great idea! I'd actually really like to know how this works out for you Dave if you try the indie route. It's a very crowded market for women but I can imagine men might have more success in this area if you market yourself well as you don't have as much competition. If it works for ya I might make my OH a project and get him set up too ;)

AlexMecer
12-15-2015, 12:16 AM
Thanks Issabelle! I definitely will. I got done with my first day, a short shift of like 2 and a half hours? And... I loved it! I had a good turnout in terms of viewership, though the cash of course was meager. I think I can get into this.