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Tourdefranzia
02-04-2016, 12:03 PM
I just can't with this thread. Silly bitches, we were talking about strippers not prostitutes. I'm so glad our strip clubs provide a steady flow of customers prostitutes can come steal from us.
So I guess you don't need to look like a fantasy nowadays, all you gotta do is offer extras and still be a constant top earner :) not sure why I try to work on my hustle, fitness, appearance, and "product" .. all I need to do is start fucking the customers I'm attracted to. Duh!!
I'm sure you've suspected that some of the women you work with who are banking on a regular basis are providing more sexual services than you. I'm just confirming your suspicions. Yes, the women you work with are selling a higher degree of sexual access than you are.
We can pretend that consensual sexual services for sale between adults doesn't exist in the strip clubs. But that doesn't help anyone. There is legislation in the works to legalize adult consensual sexual services in at least 2 states right now. American men are accustomed to going to strip clubs to seek those services already. Amnesty International has endorsed the legalization of adult sex work.
This is where the industry is going. I've got zero motivation to lie about how I conduct business, and I LOVE what I do. I'm a very sexual person and enjoy the company of men a great deal. I feel blessed that I can also get paid to do this work. I feel blessed that I can bring joy to my customers in a world that is very harsh at times. I'm not exaggerating when I say I love my customers to pieces and when they feel sad, I feel sad. When they are delighted, I am as well.
I'm not going to lie about how I do business. There's no point. I'm sure there are plenty of girls on this forum who do extras but just don't talk about it. This is the 21st century and slut shaming is no longer an acceptable way to treat women.
I get that you are experiencing the pain of frustration here. But we all do this job voluntarily. No one (I hope!!) is forcing us to go to the club every night. Make the most of your career or make an exit plan. Life is too short to spend your career doing something you don't enjoy.
jekka
02-04-2016, 02:10 PM
No one here is baffled about whether there is hooking going on in strip clubs. That's not the goddamn point.
I got paid to kick a guy in the dick in VIP who cares. No one really cares what you do and why. That's not the point either.
If you think I'm riding your ass I am. The reason is you're coming on this thread smugly giving unsolicited advice on how to survive in this (declining) industry of STRIPPING, when you are clearly not a legit stripper. There's a difference between calling your customer to come in and get lap dances and calling him in to get a blowjob.
Slut shaming. Tired of the political correctness. Slut shaming is how we kept girls from doing stuff WE were uncomfortable with in the clubs. We'd embarrass them and run them off. You gonna take advice from a girl who is having sex on the floor in your club for $50 about how to make money?
kirakonstantin
02-04-2016, 02:39 PM
I think the problem here, at least for me, is that strip clubs are supposed to be for dances and fantasy. They are not supposed to be fronts for prostitution. There are plenty of avenues for that type of sex work without coming into a strip club and shitting on the proverbial carpet.
Adapt of die was the situation when my club decided to go urban after 9 pm. Ok. I adapted. Girls prostituting themselves in my club isn't something to adapt to. Its something to eradicate, because sex is not something legally allowed to be offered there and it makes the club environment dangerous for everyone.
You listed a bunch of benefits for yourself, but have failed to consider what extras do to the non extras dancers, as well at the club itself. Girls coming in who don't want to do anything but dance are at a severe disadvantage, because extras dancers essentially force clean dancers to do commit a crime or be out of a job. That coersion is part of what being a drugs and pimps into the environment and lowers the standards of the club. It ruins customers by training them to view extras as normal and expected. That is so incredibly fucked up.
There are other ways for you to do this but, instead you manipulate the club and the rest of the dancers to engage in illegal activities that could garner the attention of law enforcement and get everybody busted. That's just not ok in any way, shape or form. Thats not what a strip club is for and it's not fair to put everybody at risk, so you can reap the benefits. I don't want to be a prostitute and I don't really care how much money I could make doing it. The girls who do that shit and expect me to "adapt or die" are going to face some serious backlash.
Its all well and good that prositution may be legalized on a wider scale. Its not legal yet. The fact that it should be legalized doesn't negate the fact that it is currently a crime that carries stiff penalties and lifelong implications. Its a sex offense and, if I'm not mistaken, requires anyone convicted of it to register as a sex offender for life. Life. That's what you're forcing on every dancer you work with. They can either run the risk of being a sex offender or they can leave. And that's really shitty.
If you want to be an escort, go do that. Even if you wanted to be an OTC girl, I don't think many would judge you harshly for it, as you're not heaping the risk onto the unsuspecting clean girls that you work with. But to come into a strip club and turn it into your own personal brothel... No. That's not ok or something you're going to find a lot of support for.
tempest666
02-04-2016, 04:25 PM
I think we all need to calm down a bit, stripping will always be profitable men will always want to see beautiful naked women in the club and performing on a stage, is it as profitable as in the 90s?? Of course not. No business is as thriving as it was in the 90s. I make $1000 most Saturday nights and work in a strict no extras club (cameras everywhere bouncers everywhere) even breast touching is not allowed. I am also in school for a career but for the next few years I will continue to dance.
Like I said, the ship is sinking but it's not down yet. Not by any means. I just tell people to be aware and to "get to the lifeboats" before it's too late. I'm still doing great.
IsThatYourRealName?
02-08-2016, 01:37 PM
And Anchorage
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-08-2016, 03:50 PM
I have kind of a different take on strip clubs & sexual services. In the last club I worked I found some of the creepy regulars so disgusting that I couldn't even stomach the idea of doing non sexual VIPs with them...like I couldn't even talk to some of these guys they were so gross .....The nice thing about escorting independently is that you can say no to clients. I don't understand dancers who have full on sex in the club because they can make far more by cutting out the middle man (the club.) All I'm saying is it seems like everyone has an opinion & everyone is different. It's up to club management to call shots.
22lligm
02-09-2016, 12:26 PM
Club management is just as bad as the extras girls most of the time ^ all they care about is the money.
I did a champagne room where another girl was full on fucking the guy next to me and other girls were doing whatever other extras with their customers. Then theres me trying to just give my customer a lap dance lol. I mean this is a STRIP club.. god forbid I just try to dance for my customer instead of going straight for his dick. Yes I could've 'adapted' in that situation and whipped the guys dick out and gone to town on him.. but the thing is I chose to make money the normal way and I still banked in that VIP room. The guy paying for everything made it rain on me and made sure I was paid what I earned at the end of the night. Then another time I did a room with this other girl who immediately gave the customer a hand job while I just danced and we were both paid the exact same amount.
Nobody needs to 'adapt' to fucking customers in order to make a living. And if you truly can't make decent money just talking and dancing for customers then you should find another line of work outside the strip club.
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-09-2016, 03:08 PM
Club management is just as bad as the extras girls most of the time ^ all they care about is the money.
I did a champagne room where another girl was full on fucking the guy next to me and other girls were doing whatever other extras with their customers. Then theres me trying to just give my customer a lap dance lol. I mean this is a STRIP club.. god forbid I just try to dance for my customer instead of going straight for his dick. Yes I could've 'adapted' in that situation and whipped the guys dick out and gone to town on him.. but the thing is I chose to make money the normal way and I still banked in that VIP room. The guy paying for everything made it rain on me and made sure I was paid what I earned at the end of the night. Then another time I did a room with this other girl who immediately gave the customer a hand job while I just danced and we were both paid the exact same amount.
Nobody needs to 'adapt' to fucking customers in order to make a living. And if you truly can't make decent money just talking and dancing for customers then you should find another line of work outside the strip club.
That's interesting to me because I've gotten talking to s about contact in VIP ( I usually work in small clubs & I did work in a strict corporate club for a while.) In my experience clubs will prevent full on sex on premises if possible but hey...we all know some places aren't like that. I'm sorry you had that bad experience.
culitos
02-09-2016, 05:52 PM
Vice is not prosecuting Portland area dancers or clubs for adult consensual activities. So pretty much every club in Portland has the potential to be an extras club.
This also makes me wonder if sexual services are provided as part of doing business as a strip club, is it still an "extra?" It's normal now. Adapt or die.
Well that may be Portland, but in the majority of the country, you WILL get prosecuted if you get found prostituting. Do I have a problem with prostitutes/escorts? No. What I have a problem with is that we still have to pay the same fees as the extra girls even though we're not providing the same services. Why should I have to break the law so I can compete with the extra girls? It shouldn't be adapt or die when it involves breaking laws. Extra girls should at least be considerate and meet OTC if they want to suck/fuck for money.
That being said, I blame club management more than anything. After all they are the ones that allow it, even encouraging it at times.
22lligm
02-09-2016, 06:27 PM
That's interesting to me because I've gotten talking to s about contact in VIP ( I usually work in small clubs & I did work in a strict corporate club for a while.) In my experience clubs will prevent full on sex on premises if possible but hey...we all know some places aren't like that. I'm sorry you had that bad experience.
What's funny is I was told by the manager at that club when he hired me that touching isn't allowed and if I see anything like girls being groped during dances then I should 'let him know'. I think they just say that to put on this front that they don't allow any shady shit when really they don't care. There are no cameras in the expensive champagne rooms and nobody comes to check on you besides the waitress bringing bottles.
JettaNyx
02-10-2016, 08:38 AM
This is an old debate, and true for various reasons. Inflation, job loss, easy hook-ups, easy access to free porn, more sex workers; take your pick. When I first started dancing in 1999 the girls were having pretty much this same discussion complaining that the money wasn't what it used to be.
GlitterButterfly
02-10-2016, 12:51 PM
This is an old debate, and true for various reasons. Inflation, job loss, easy hook-ups, easy access to free porn, more sex workers; take your pick. When I first started dancing in 1999 the girls were having pretty much this same discussion complaining that the money wasn't what it used to be.
The year 1999 was the end of the dot Com bubble popping. So, it's all relative to perspective. What someone thinks is a good night might be a horrible night to another girl in a different area. Their standards of living vary as well. The real wage killer is inflation. Healthcare, education, housing, food...are most increasing from the former to the latter.
I stopped dancing bc extras were so prevalent that I felt like I was the last of a dying breed, a true entertainer, if you will. A real entertainer can make more than an extras girl because I could entertain a whole table of gentlemen by myself. However, with desperation comes unethical behavior. I'm sorry but with diseases, laws, reputation at stake, self esteem problems, among other issues, I see no reason to resort to whoring one's self out at a strip club. I always have felt like the lazy and mentally incapable girls were the ones involved in this behavior. Then, that customer will always want sexual play from you and anyone else who is willing to "play" as they put it. Then, you are just another wet hole to be filled and easily replaceable.
Vyanka
02-10-2016, 01:04 PM
The key is to hustle/get most of your money without working hard...meaning, don't give in so easily giving the guy what he wants. Don't let him play you, play him. Tease, seduce, be mysterious, intrigue....he may keep coming back.
Some girls forget this.
jasmine22
02-11-2016, 06:11 AM
I work at an extras club. The customers can get extras from the hotter, younger dancers if they wanted.
Vice is not prosecuting Portland area dancers or clubs for adult consensual activities. So pretty much every club in Portland has the potential to be an extras club.
This also makes me wonder if sexual services are provided as part of doing business as a strip club, is it still an "extra?" It's normal now. Adapt or die.
This is supposed to be a supportive site for dancers.
These girls should not have to do that in clubs to make money, and you know you shouldn't have to either. You've accepted your reality as an aging dancer, but that doesn't have to be everyone else's reality.
its not legal, and there a lot of girls that can and do get caught up in raids because of this.....remember your in the USA still. also remember your now on a public forum that anyone can read talking about Portland and vice. Your such a smart girl....;)
To the OP....yes it has gone downhill for a lot of girls, I think it's an over saturated market with not as much demand. The internet gave men easy access to escorts and porn.
Tourdefranzia
02-11-2016, 08:42 AM
This is supposed to be a supportive site for dancers.
These girls should not have to do that in clubs to make money, and you know you shouldn't have to either. You've accepted your reality as an aging dancer, but that doesn't have to be everyone else's reality.
its not legal, and there a lot of girls that can and do get caught up in raids because of this.....remember your in the USA still. also remember your now on a public forum that anyone can read talking about Portland and vice. Your such a smart girl....;)
To the OP....yes it has gone downhill for a lot of girls, I think it's an over saturated market with not as much demand. The internet gave men easy access to escorts and porn.
I bring it up because I'm politically active about sex worker rights and the legalization of consensual sex between adults.
Also, when did "extras" become synonymous with fucking customers on the floor of the club? I mean, if that's the measure of an extras girl, I guess I'm a clean dancer when merely I grind one out for a customer, right?