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Tourdefranzia
03-15-2016, 10:47 AM
Hustle mistake: Working too hard and then getting hit by massive burnout.

The money becomes addictive, but not taking enough time for self care can kill not just your income but your career.

charlie61
03-15-2016, 02:47 PM
I did a half hour with a guy, and he decided that he wanted a second half hour with me.

Cool.

So I waited in the room while he went to the ATM. On his way there, a girl stopped him and asked him for a dance. Whatever - I think that's within her rights. When he said no - that he was spending time with me - she proceeded to ask "What does she have that I don't?!" as an attempt to convince him to get a dance with her.

You should never, ever ask a customer this question. She then complained to him, "I've never gotten a half hour before..." Oh yeah. Like pure desperation is gonna convince him!

LightningJ
03-15-2016, 05:05 PM
Girls who lie about extras piss me off. Not only does it make those guys not want to come back, but I overheard a girl one time say "Well, I don't do extras, but other girls in the club might." She then proceeded to give the guy a full nude lap dance (usually $40) for $20, and let him basically finger her.

Also, one thing that I think is a very common mistake, not being stern enough with the customers when telling them no about their limits. I was guilty of this in the beginning, sometimes guys would say "Well the other dancer lets me touch her all the time!".. I'm still not sure exactly when to let people touch me or not. I had a guy who kept trying to finger me, and I regret not telling him off. I just pushed his hand away each time and made excuses. Ladies, respect yourselves!!

littlelizard
03-18-2016, 08:12 AM
Getting to the club super late. For me I can't start hustling until at least 30 mins after I've arrived. I need time to acclimate myself. I can't just jump right in, I need to get my toes wet first. I see another dancers running around getting dances, while I'm still standing there watching the room. Plus it puts a lot of pressure on me to make house and big $$$$$.

Andygirl
04-16-2016, 12:55 AM
Sitting way too long, sitting for free--even if is dead, sitting for free sends the message that your time isn't valuable.

Doing way too much for a dollar, I'm opposed to "dollar dances" on principle, but if you must, don't give it all away at the table.

Related to the last one, do not walk around with your top off. Put that shit back on the second you get off stage. If guys want to see you,
make them buy a dance.

Lastly, you should be asking every guy you talk to for a dance, especially the ones who come to the stage. The worst they can say is no, so don't be afraid.

Oh, and this should go without saying, but I've noticed that way too many girls have bad breath or bo. If you drink, or smoke, or eat......brush your teeth or chew some sugarless gum. And if you're anything like me, you work up a sweat doing dances, so please take the time to reapply deodorant or something. Don't go overboard on perfume, but body spray is ok.

charlie61
04-16-2016, 12:04 PM
I've been making this mistake recently: giving someone the full "menu" of dance options before I've gotten them in the back area. I'll have a customer agree to a dance, then I'll ask them if they'd like to hear about their options. Even though I keep it brief, fun, and only mention a few things (no overload), it seems to kick their left brains (analytical) into high gear, and they often back down ("come by later"). So after I feel like I've finalized the sale, I'm losing the sale.

I think a better way to do it is to either ask them which kind of dance they'd like while we're already walking towards the dance area, or to bring up the upsell options only after we've started into the $20 dance...maybe? Hm. I could also probably drop the "dollar" verbiage in my sale. "Basic dances are 20" rather than "Basic dances are 20 dollars." In fact, I should probably drop the money thing completely unless they specifically ask? Hmmmm... I'm not sure.

Thoughts? Anyone have a similar issue?

miss.a.p1600
04-16-2016, 12:14 PM
I would not do it at the point of walking back to dance area because they could still change their minds at that point. I've had a handful of dudes - change their mind while walking to dance area. I wanted to slow torture their a$$ and roast their nuts on an open fire for being so cheap and indecisive.

charlie61
04-16-2016, 12:19 PM
I would not do it at the point of walking back to dance area because they could still change their minds at that point. I've had a handful of dudes - change their mind while walking to dance area. I wanted to slow torture their a$$ and roast their nuts on an open fire for being so cheap and indecisive.

Yeah, I've lost sales this way, too!

So when is the best time to upsell? I regularly have guys spring for the half hour when I mention it upfront (after a quick hustle), so it does pay off to mention it. And I hate to watch guys blow half of their budget on a $20 dance when I could've gotten $40 for the dance if I'd mentioned it. It's often a very easy upsell to casually ask them, as we're on our way to a dance, "Would you prefer the two-way touching dance or the one-way touching dance?" I should probably return to that verbiage instead of including the price in what I say.

In other words, probably half of the time, it seriously pays off to mention the pricier options upfront. But then half of the time, mentioning the other options beforehand seems to work against me (either the sale gets dropped or they're turned off by the more expensive options and decide to get a single $20 dance instead). It's harder for me to upsell once I already have them in the $20 area. This isn't a club where stringing together dances is very common. I get lots of guys who buy 1-3 $20 dances, or they buy 1-2 $40 dances, or they buy the half hour.

SweetJulia
04-16-2016, 06:54 PM
Use more words for the pricier options-""The VIP suite is 250", "dance is 20"-whatever gets talked about longest sticks out the most. Upsell when they start grabbing-"they get a stick up their ass down here, VIP is way more private"-with a big smile. So it seems like it's the two of you versus the club. Just what's worked in my experience.

Andygirl
04-16-2016, 08:42 PM
Charlie, I usually wait until I finish the first dance and say, "Hmmm, should we do another one here or go to vip where we can have some real privacy? *wink*

newb2
04-17-2016, 12:20 AM
Wait until you're in the room and then tell him an hour, then half an hour then go down

Hk
04-21-2016, 01:51 PM
Ok so one thing I have done to up my game is by being quiet and watching other girls. I note all the things the girls who make money vs girls who dont make money are doing, i can note some of them

1.Appearing bored, miserable, unhappy, bitchy etc
I would say this is the number #1. i've seen beautiful girls who were great on the pole have customers leave the stage because of the expression on their face. Also appearing this way makes you seem unapproachable and actually repels people

2.Girls who sit on their phone, sit and talk to other girls, spend time in the DR complaining, ignore and dont talk to customers
No explanation necessary

3.Girls who seem to desperate
On the opposite end of seeming bored and miserable are girls who seem to desperate. Desperation is a foul cologne

4.Girls who are not sexy or sexual
You can be the most friendly, nicest girl in the world. and guess what? if you cant get the customers dick hard you are most likely not going to get much money from them.

Remember dick gets hard, brain shuts off, money flows from the pocket.

RyanXO
12-28-2016, 01:23 PM
Sitting way too long, sitting for free--even if is dead, sitting for free sends the message that your time isn't valuable.

Doing way too much for a dollar, I'm opposed to "dollar dances" on principle, but if you must, don't give it all away at the table.

Related to the last one, do not walk around with your top off. Put that shit back on the second you get off stage. If guys want to see you,
make them buy a dance.

Lastly, you should be asking every guy you talk to for a dance, especially the ones who come to the stage. The worst they can say is no, so don't be afraid.


I made all those mistakes at first and looking back I feel so ignorant. I used to do stupid shit like walk around naked without getting paid or flash the pussy for only a dollar. How stupid. But that was a long time ago, lessons learned. Another thing can think of is not to eat in front of customers (unless they are paying your for your time and have offered you food or something.) Again, as a noob I would chow down at the bar. So unsexy don't do it!

whirlerz
12-28-2016, 08:03 PM
Ok so one thing I have done to up my game is by being quiet and watching other girls. I note all the things the girls who make money vs girls who dont make money are doing, i can note some of them

1.Appearing bored, miserable, unhappy, bitchy etc
I would say this is the number #1. i've seen beautiful girls who were great on the pole have customers leave the stage because of the expression on their face. Also appearing this way makes you seem unapproachable and actually repels people

2.Girls who sit on their phone, sit and talk to other girls, spend time in the DR complaining, ignore and dont talk to customers
No explanation necessary

3.Girls who seem to desperate
On the opposite end of seeming bored and miserable are girls who seem to desperate. Desperation is a foul cologne

4.Girls who are not sexy or sexual
You can be the most friendly, nicest girl in the world. and guess what? if you cant get the customers dick hard you are most likely not going to get much money from them.

Remember dick gets hard, brain shuts off, money flows from the pocket.

Totally stealing this last line!!

Dot
12-29-2016, 09:22 AM
girls who sit on their phone while being on stage...I dont care how dead it is, half ass your stage dancing then. but DO NOT sit on your phone on stage!! not only disrespectful to the customers who ARE there, but the men trickling in while youre text-fighting your baby daddy turn right back out because of you! i am always that bitch that will come up to you and be like "hey girl, thats not cool to be on your phone while youre on stage" grrrrr....

didnt get much sleep last night so even thinking about that is making my blood boil lol

Lucida
02-19-2017, 05:25 PM
Big mistake. Doing a double private with a dancer you barely know anything about. Then she starts kissing the customer and makes you look bad and alienating you for not going over and beyond when you are completely grossed out by the thought of exchanging saliva with a complete stranger.

Never do a double especially in an extras club. The entire time you're dancing, she'll be hustling the customer to take you both home.

When a guy tells me that he wants two girls because it's his fantasy; I say: no, I don't work with other girls, unless it's a non extras club.

Another mistake I have done is believing that men have a mind of their own. They don't and they are not loyal (not even to their SO. If you have a customer who is spending money, there will be vultures and hyenas waiting to take your prey. So, you need to physically hold on to him. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In this cut-throat business you can't act like a well-balanced individual. That insecure bitch in you needs to come out, even if you have to drag him to the stage when you do your stage set. Don't let other girls take bread out of your mouth.

Dot
02-20-2017, 09:07 AM
^^^while i agree with that, its all about approach BEFORE you go on stage. This happens to me all of the time, the second I go on stage and leave my custy, some other chick is sitting with him. Ill watch out of the corner of my eye when hes glancing at the stage, throw some sexy moves towards his direction and then work on other guys around my stage. My memomry is poor, but i cant remember a time when I havent gotten off stage and hes alone, waiting for me, whisking me upstairs.

if he doesnt follow you to stage, but doesnt take you up for dances after your set, red flag and not much money. if hes throwing you away that quickly for another lady, most likely not much money. hes trying to get some free time out of another girl and hes gonna do the same thing to her that he did to you.

IMO, "insecure" bitch should never come out at the strip club! thats when the confident bitch in you turns up 100 notches and you prove to him why your worth turning other girls down.

a hustle mistake is forgetting that your selling your precious time

La Maddalena
02-20-2017, 01:06 PM
I've had the DJ call me on stage when it's not my set several times while I was in the middle of dancing for a customer. Causing me to lose out on making more money. Then I noticed it was the same two girls who would come in behind me and take the customer to VIP. I found out that the two girls were tipping the DJ extra money to call a girl on stage if they wanted the customer before the girl could hustle him into VIP. When I realized this I couldn't complain to management because they didn't do anything when others complained. So, I started tipping the DJ extra money and he stopped calling me to cover stage during my hustle.
The lesson I learned is that while we are hustling the customers, the staff play a role in the success of the hustle. Don't complain or fight you will just lose more money. Once I started working with the DJ and the staff, I started making a lot more money.

Ivy Love
02-22-2017, 10:16 AM
A hustle mistake I did was not knowing the prices of the dances. I end up charging this guy 25 dollars for a dance, and as soon as I got back there he latched onto my breast with his mouth. i had to fight him off in order for him to get the hint. UGH I really hate when men do that. Later on I find out the dances where actually 30. I had to ask the manager

Sirocco
02-22-2017, 11:08 AM
Not being able to manage a few regulars the same time. It's like -you txted one, he showed up at certain time, then your another good regular just came in at random. I don't know how to deal with that. It's like you are loosing that "special charm" with both of them, telling that you need to go say hi/chat with another one. They both believe that they are special and unique.

NYC.Bianca
02-22-2017, 03:31 PM
Aimlessness.


Just going from guy to guy to guy. Not knowing how to differentiate a chump in a suit vs. a real business man in a well tailored 6k suit.
Also, not paying attention to what the customer wants.. I would say this as not having empathy.

I feel like the best way to sell is to sell to a customer the way they WANT to BUY. One size does NOT fit all. You gotta know how to read people.

22lligm
02-23-2017, 08:38 AM
Not knowing how to differentiate a chump in a suit vs. a real business man in a well tailored 6k suit.


Omg this happened to me recently at work I noticed a guy in a suit sitting at the bar so I approached him. But when I got up close I noticed it looked too big and kind of cheap. And then I realized it was this same broke regular I always avoid. I felt so dumb lol but clearly his suit worked for a second. He was drinking a glass of champagne too lol *eyeroll*

LadyJezebel
02-27-2017, 08:40 AM
Not working enough!! Seriously this is my number one and my current club i enjoy doesnt like it..I average well so I get lazy lol

Working with other girls...sometimes this goes well but oftentimes we don't hustle the same/not the same customer base and it goes south. I knew one girl where this was working out pretty well for a while somewhere else, but there became an expectation that when we worked the same shift we had to work together...

Getting really drunk. Also has also been a big one.

Sitting with someone for way too long cause they spent on you once before but they don't end up doing anything

Coming into your shift late

Waiting too long to approach someone who was looking at you

rosafromeurope
02-27-2017, 09:09 AM
I don't know if this is really a mistake as I'm fairly new, but I know this one girl who says she only takes "young and attractive guys," always wants them to buy the most expensive drinks first, and only does 30+ minutes in VIP because otherwise it's "not worth it." I'm not certain how much she earns, but her style seems pretty extreme... she told me she prefers making an occassional $800 and having "some" $0 nights. While she sits around looking for a handsome baller I might sell three 10 minute dances and five $42 bottles instead of the $300 bottle barely anyone buys. She keeps telling me my style is "weak" and I'm wasting time on small spenders even though it adds up well... do you guys have any opinions?

Aurora_Sunset
02-27-2017, 12:07 PM
I don't know if this is really a mistake as I'm fairly new, but I know this one girl who says she only takes "young and attractive guys," always wants them to buy the most expensive drinks first, and only does 30+ minutes in VIP because otherwise it's "not worth it." I'm not certain how much she earns, but her style seems pretty extreme... she told me she prefers making an occassional $800 and having "some" $0 nights. While she sits around looking for a handsome baller I might sell three 10 minute dances and five $42 bottles instead of the $300 bottle barely anyone buys. She keeps telling me my style is "weak" and I'm wasting time on small spenders even though it adds up well... do you guys have any opinions?

I mean, if she is truly averaging a good amount with this style of "all or nothing," then I guess it's a decent hustle. It doesn't invalidate your hustle though or make it "weak." Sure, I understand not wanting to put in a ton of effort for small fry after small fry as it can get tiring, but I also think it would get really tiring and discouraging to have a bunch of nights where you sit around doing absolutely nothing and making no money while you wait for the "big score."

I'd be interested to know how much she actually makes though. I feel like if even your "big" nights are only $800, you better be actually scoring that pretty often, since 3 "decent" $300 nights could easily eclipse that - and if she's sitting around for 3 $0 nights before landing an $800 one.... it's not good math.

If there's one part of her hustle that I would definitely call a mistake, it's only taking "young and attractive" guys as customers. It shouldn't matter, and I can't imagine she's actually making that much money on average when she's limiting her pool of high spending customers to young, attractive guys, which, as far as I've ever seen, are not the norm in strip clubs. Not that it doesn't happen, but the majority of high rollers in a SC are going to be older and/or not as attractive. Men who are young, hot, AND have money to throw around.... aren't spending the majority of their time buying VIP rooms with strippers - they're out trying to actually score.

We had a rabbit like you
02-28-2017, 10:09 AM
All of my hustle mistakes have come down to lack of confidence and belief that I'm worth it. Sitting with customers too long for low or no money, coming off as insecure and unsure of myself, not being sexy enough, sitting around the club looking bored and timid or hiding in the dressing room, giving guys too much for too little, getting pressured into things I'm not comfortable with, not asking for tips, selling myself short, not approaching enough, not smiling on stage, not bringing up VIP cause I don't think they'll spend that on m etc.

Oh and since my club doesn't schedule it's very easy for me to slack off and work once a week for six hours..I need much more self discipline now that I don't have a 30-hour-a-week strict schedule.

As for that girl,who only approaches cute guys ..HA! What is she, some college teen on spring break trying to party and if she earns money alone the way, cool?? Worrying about a customers looks is so unprofessional and pointless

SuperJa
03-01-2017, 03:43 PM
One I saw last night- assuming that since a strong hustler didn't get anything from somebody, that they won't want dances from you either. I asked a girl I was sitting with at the bar if she had talked to a guy who seemed nice and she said "oh well if he didn't go with you he's not going to go with anybody".
Like, go say hi anyways. The worst that's going to happen is he's gonna say no to you as well, but since you and the other dancer are a different person, he may be interested in you regardless of the other girl's sales skills or whatever.

Sirocco
03-01-2017, 04:43 PM
That's so true! Sometimes you see several girls approaching a customer, he says "no" to all of them. It does not mean he will say "no" to you. I did that mistake with a guy who actually spent a lot of money on me afterwards. And he said: "I was sitting all evening here, you walked by several times, but didn't stop by. I was so upset." Just say hi to everyone!

charlie61
03-04-2017, 11:39 AM
That's so true! Sometimes you see several girls approaching a customer, he says "no" to all of them. It does not mean he will say "no" to you. I did that mistake with a guy who actually spent a lot of money on me afterwards. And he said: "I was sitting all evening here, you walked by several times, but didn't stop by. I was so upset." Just say hi to everyone!

Yes - saying hi is a fantastic way for newbies to get started, too. Having the goal of just saying a quick "hello!" to everyone rather than committing to a full-on hustle. A sexy smile and a cheerful "hello" can lead to $$$, even for the quietest dancers!

dely
04-13-2017, 03:33 PM
Letting customers get you down and then leaving or not hustling as hard because of it. Thinking that anyone earning more than you must be doing "extras" or that they have something you don't - you're playing yourself by training your brain to think that making good money means compromising your boundaries or that you can't do it because of whatever lame ass excuse!! Girls constantly say that I only make money because of the way that I look, I'm like honey, looks are only 20% of this job. It's 30% hustle and 50% law of attraction (expectation, beliefs, intention, desire).

nekkidslipnslide
04-16-2017, 05:09 AM
This is the truth, girl! Also that's seriously me when I'm having an off night. Sometimes it just happens where you trip on stage, forget who tipped you a $20, and say dumb shit instead of closing, you know? A customer will ask what I do for fun, and I'll be like, "Oh, I like to exploit men financially in the interests of eventually erasing the Y chromosome from the human genome and establishing a matriarchy -- WAIT NO I JUST LIKE TO SUNBATHE NUDE COME BACK"

OMG this made me laugh so hard

ScarletKitten
05-08-2017, 01:56 PM
The other night I made a mistake while hustling this guy who was there to celebrate his bachelor party. He said he was going to get married in a few days. I said, "Oh, congrats!" He said, "Thanks!" Then I said, "Do you regret it already?" He was like, "What?! That is not a nice thing to say!" I said I was joking (which I was), but the damage was already done. lmfao. Of course he turned down dances with me after that. So yeah, lesson learned. I will never say that ever again. *tapes mouth shut*

charlie61
05-09-2017, 12:25 AM
The other night I made a mistake while hustling this guy who was there to celebrate his bachelor party. He said he was going to get married in a few days. I said, "Oh, congrats!" He said, "Thanks!" Then I said, "Do you regret it already?" He was like, "What?! That is not a nice thing to say!" I said I was joking (which I was), but the damage was already done. lmfao. Of course he turned down dances with me after that. So yeah, lesson learned. I will never say that ever again. *tapes mouth shut*

Omg.... foot in mouth moments. Yes. Like, when even your appearance can't make up for whatever crap just shot out of your mouth. -_-

Happens more frequently when bored..

Dance freak
05-22-2017, 08:28 AM
Laughing so hard! Dick sneeze!!!!!!!

chocolatebombshell
09-19-2017, 11:55 AM
I tried a new club this weekend and the prices are expensive,HOWEVER...I MAY have missed out on a rrom because once he heard the price,he kind of immediately declined. I feel like if I would've flirted more and mentioned "PRIVATE,TIME,etc. he would've did it. Wasn't that mad at myself because he ended up spending,but nothing wrong with wanting more. Lol

(Just venting outloud).

somechick99
09-19-2017, 01:54 PM
Theres a few mistakes I consistently make that are difficult habits to break. These include:

-Scanning the room for other potential spenders while talking with a customer. It's so important for the customer to feel engaged and like you're genuinely interested in him, and obviously if you dont maintain good eye contact he will sense that youre not into the conversation

-Forgetting to come back to customers who express interest. For instance if a guy is still on his first beer and tells me to come back, sometimes I forget and work on hustling new customers instead. Jokes on me when he goes back with another girl 30 mins after we chatted

-Not approaching young guys. I dont make that mistake anymore. My very, very best nights were both because guys in their 20s bought back to back champagne rooms all night. Plus, older guys dont have the desire to impress friends by blowing money the way some younger dudes do

charlie61
09-19-2017, 09:56 PM
^Great ones!!

Layla.00
09-20-2017, 07:52 AM
Most of the time my 4 second hustle works well for me.. But occasionally it is worth sitting down and talking to someone for a song or two. Ive missed out on some big spenders as a result of this.

Helgi981
09-20-2017, 07:12 PM
Most of the time my 4 second hustle works well for me.. But occasionally it is worth sitting down and talking to someone for a song or two. Ive missed out on some big spenders as a result of this.

4 second hustle?!?! Do you mind sharing that one? O_o

Layla.00
09-20-2017, 07:45 PM
4 second hustle?!?! Do you mind sharing that one? O_o

Its honestly nothing special. I work in a fast hustle club and everyone is a wanna dance girl. I just say hi, my name XYZ .. would you like to go have some fun? If everyone says no, all the dancers go and sit by themselves and try again later. No one talks for more than a couple of seconds unless you have a feeling that they're going to spend loads. Most customers go for five songs or so (20 bucks per song.. we keep all of it) so 4 seconds is more than enough time. This obviously only works if all the girls do it.

blondhottie
09-21-2017, 04:41 PM
Judging guys by what they're wearing and assuming they won't spend! I've had guys in t-shirts and jeans spend hundreds on me and guys in suits and ties be cheap as hell.

Sitting more than 3 songs before getting a dance from a guy-and that's only if the club is super dead and there are no other customers to sit by. When the club is busy, I just do the quick hustle, chit chat for half a song max and then ask for a dance.

Not asking for a 2nd dance or VIP from a guy you are already dancing for. It's harder for a guy to say no to "We can do another one, right?" rather than "Do you want another dance?" Plus it's much easier to sell a 2nd dance to a guy who is already back in the lap dance room than to try to find a new customer.

SuperJa
12-02-2017, 11:09 AM
One i just saw last night- breaking the fantasy. I don't care if you showed up on a greyhound and the dancer accommodation you are staying in is basically a trap house. You are a glamorous goddess who flies business class and would never dream of anything less than 5 stars for a hotel.

Don't sit with a customer bitching about your life problems or whatever, be fun and sexy, take his money, then use it for your irl stuff.

vanessa_mtl
12-03-2017, 12:39 PM
People need to be in a good mood to spend money! That's why they pump oxygen and perfume into Casinos, and alcohol into the customers veins. You are the product and if you aren't cheerful and polished you're not going to sell. That's why we put on the makeup and the neon lycra- to be the visual manifestation of a good time. Why some girls undo all that labour by whining about their shitty situations is baffling. It's like he didn't know til you told him.

Hunnybaby
03-19-2020, 01:06 PM
[QUOTE=wellidontknowwho;2844062 she's next to me leaned back slouching belly sticking out with her hand halfway in her panties like al bundy on married with children yelling about sports with her mouth hanging open teeth hanging out. I looked at her and wondered how in the HELL she appealed to the opposite sex sitting and acting like that. don't do this![/QUOTE]

It may work for you, but not for everyone. I understand the idea of always being prim cuz that works for me, but some girls are more comfortable acting themselves and tbh more human

Hunnybaby
03-19-2020, 01:14 PM
You seem like the really smart hustler type. I like your approach someday and I really hope to embody a similar approach

neverendingkneebruises
03-21-2020, 08:25 PM
ohhhh man idk where to even start in this thread! :D


3) Taking drugs from strip club customers/ Supplying drugs to strip club customers - A patron said he wasn't buying dances but said he'd give me something to help with the shift. He handed me a white pill, supposedly some ecstasy. Well Im not dumb enough to take pills from some random so I threw it away. But later in the shift I noticed some dancer looking pitiful and could barely walk. Guess she was dumb enough to take that fake ecstasy.

Omg, one of those "stripper sales courses" that you pay for suggests that you carry around drugs to help sell VIP rooms. :O I'm so glad I used my friend's login so I didn't buy it myself lol. I remember just shaking my head in disbelief reading that!


there's this one dancer I knew that used to always tell her life story to gain sympathy thinking she would make more money that way. BIG MISTAKE. no guy in a club wants to hear your drama he wants someone to listen to his.

Omg a friend would use this hustle. I think it hurts more than works, and girls who use this hustle don't usually pull great sales, my friend who used it would charge only the club's minimum for VIP. I actually saw a thread on this the other day browsing Hustle Hut, can't post links yet but look up " Woe is me tactic, does it work? " General answer was no. Maybe only once in a while to get a large sum from a good regular, but otherwise no.


This might sound silly, but lots of the dancers at work spend their time on the floor sitting down in chairs next to customers, and often slouching. I try to always have my full body on display so that I'm hustling the person I'm talking to AND anyone else who might be watching me. I'll lean forward onto the table and sometimes lean onto a chair (we have taller tables and chairs), but I really try to avoid sitting. It's harder to project energy when you're sitting, and it's harder to look elegant.

I always act (on the floor) as if anyone is watching. I generally look like I'm having fun. Sometimes will hop on the satellite and record videos for the fun of it! Sitting alone, looking bored hunched over on your phone is suicide lol. If I have to use my phone I'll go hide in DR or behind DJ booth.


I think the biggest hustle mistake most dancers make is hustling the wrong customer. If you can't gain rapport within a song or two, give it up and move on. I see dancers sitting at customer's tables and they are both staring off into space. Ladies, we need to connect with our customers, even on the most superficial levels. If you've got nothing to talk about after "So, what's your name?" you need to move on so that the customer can find a girl that suits his needs.

If you KNOW you can't close the customer you're sitting with, get out of the way so that the other girls have a chance at making him a spending customer. Cock blocking just to keep other girls from making money isn't going to make you any more money and it hurts the club's reputation in the long run.

I can't stress this enough. One girl asked me, "how do you suck customers into VIP so quick?" I told her most can be closed in 3 or less songs. Like I wish this were common knowledge! I also heard a word for it "customer camping". It only takes one customer to make a lot of money most of the time. The goal should be to make that money off each customer and if you're not, move on quickly so that you CAN reap the benefits of finding the ones that DO spend money on you.


Girls who talk too much. I see a lot of this with younger dancers. They sit down with a guy and immediately start talking. Five minutes later they haven't paused for breath and the guy is doing the smile/nod/somebody-help-me thing. The only guys who like this are timewasters. I remember being 21. I too thought my life was the most interesting thing that had ever happened. But it wasn't. If your conversation is more about you than the customer, you're doing it wrong.

Girls who talk about the wrong things. My real-life interests include American history and feminism. I have very strong, controversial political views and opinions. I mostly hate everyone. I never talk about ANY of that to ANYONE at the club. I've heard girls launch unprovoked into dissertations on radical feminist theory, asexuality as it pertains to them, and alien conspiracy theories, to name just a few. Again, the only people who like this are timewasters, and even they don't like it much. No one comes to a strip club for a challenging mental experience. Not only does this ruin girls' chances with customers, it ruins MY chances with customers because they run out the door.

Omg, are you me? :D

I always say, you should be leading 20% of the conversation! But always try to be closing too!


*and yes, we've all been there. I've even gone so far as saying to the customer, "I have no idea why I just said that. Wanna see my boobs?"

You did mention the thing about not following up with a customer who tipped heavily at stage and the dancer never even thanked him. Don't leave an obvious hint like that just laying there, go get that money, girl!

Totally stealing that first one liner.... lol

Definitely thank people who tipped you at your stage!! Especially if he puts money down and runs away.... that to me SCREAMS fast sale after i'm off stage.... lol


While I've definitely had a lot of success doing this too, I think it's a very difficult hustle to employ effectively. Like Miss_Red said, it's certainly a huge no if done unprovoked. But even customers who appreciate intellectually stimulating conversation can either get turned off, bored, or intimidated only to pass you up in favor of a "typical dumb" stripper.

Honestly, now that I think about it, the super-smart hustle is basically fetish level. The guys who want to discuss sci-fi and politics in VIP are just like the guys who want to be slapped and kiss my feet! Potentially very profitable, but by no means common.

YUP! Even when nerd guys say they want a "smart, nerdy gamer girlfriend" they actually mean a smart, nerdy gamer gf they can fuck. lol. It's why sexy cosplayers are such a big thing! (Jessica Nigri for example)

IF they're nerdy, I tell them i'm into cosplay and love to dress up in revealing sexy costumes, and my club wanted to do a stripper cosplay night. I tell them crazy (obviously fake and embellished) stories about hooking up and doing threesomes at cons and how hot cosplay sex is. I don't really discuss it further than that, but it helps prolong VIP.


I also worked with several girls who would complain that it was cold and put their jackets on during their shift. What? The entire point of a SC is that you're half-naked! No one wants the girl who's sitting hunched over in her XL hoodie - which usually reeked of cigarette smoke. These were also the same girls who would routinely take their shoes off and walk around bare-foot cuz "their feet hurt." You no longer look like a stripper, you look like a homeless person who accidentally wandered into the club... I'm not even sure why management tolerated it.

Omg, my old club had to ban this because too many girls wore oversized hoodies as part of their stripper outfits. LOL. Like just hoodie, panties, and maybe stockings with their Pleaser heels. It was cute, but definitely NOT for the club. More of a camgirl look imo.

If the club is cold, I tell customers we need to go in the back room together, so they can warm me up }:D


I've been making this mistake recently: giving someone the full "menu" of dance options before I've gotten them in the back area. I'll have a customer agree to a dance, then I'll ask them if they'd like to hear about their options. Even though I keep it brief, fun, and only mention a few things (no overload), it seems to kick their left brains (analytical) into high gear, and they often back down ("come by later"). So after I feel like I've finalized the sale, I'm losing the sale.

I think a better way to do it is to either ask them which kind of dance they'd like while we're already walking towards the dance area, or to bring up the upsell options only after we've started into the $20 dance...maybe? Hm. I could also probably drop the "dollar" verbiage in my sale. "Basic dances are 20" rather than "Basic dances are 20 dollars." In fact, I should probably drop the money thing completely unless they specifically ask? Hmmmm... I'm not sure.

Thoughts? Anyone have a similar issue?

SO here's what I do. Yeah the whole menu thing is overwhelming. I get them to agree to a dance. Then, "great! So do you want the starter dance, orrr the naughty dance?"

Obviously most guys are gonna be like "well what's the difference" or "oo what's the naughty dance?" I say the "naughty dance" is upstairs in our VIP rooms, and we do free tours if he wants to see the room and decide! Most agree. After the tour is over and I explain the pricing, some do it, some say it's out of their budget (I also explain he can use his card upstairs and it is discreet billing), and then I say "well we can start downstairs, it is still a lot of fun, let's go!" Sometimes after leaving the nice, comfy, quiet, luxurious private looking VIP rooms and then sitting in the uncomfortable, loud shared room, he changes his mind :)

A few mistakes I've personally made......

- Assuming men who come in a group want to all go upstairs together in a shared party room. Most are HAPPY to ditch their friends!
- Not asking for a tip after EVERY single dance or VIP room. My income went up significantly after doing this. Closed mouths don't get fed!
- Giving too much for too little. I used to give my best first dance, but I found out starting slow and then slowly pulling out the tricks helps stack more dances. I even say, "if you get another dance with me, I'll do a trick!" (I do the upside down headstand in their lap thing)
- Not smiling or appearing to be having fun. Even if the club is dead I won't take my top off on stage, BUT I'll stretch or do some basic moves and act like i'm enjoying myself. You never know who is watching, this has gotten tippers to my stage when nobody else has gotten them!
- Getting ready in the club and walking in and scurrying to DR while looking down at my phone. I now do makeup and hair at home and dress up just a little bit (not super nice, but "going on a casual date" nice, no sweats). On my way to DR I'll smile and wave at every customer, maybe say hello! Or to a group of guys, wow yall look like a lot of fun, I'll hurry back down and be right back :) Almost INSTANTLY sells me dances as soon as I'm checked in, helps build rapport before I'm even clocked in.

LadyJezebel
03-25-2020, 11:21 AM
All of my hustle mistakes have come down to lack of confidence and belief that I'm worth it. Sitting with customers too long for low or no money, coming off as insecure and unsure of myself, not being sexy enough, sitting around the club looking bored and timid or hiding in the dressing room, giving guys too much for too little, getting pressured into things I'm not comfortable with, not asking for tips, selling myself short, not approaching enough, not smiling on stage, not bringing up VIP cause I don't think they'll spend that on m etc.

Hard same. I’ve had many times where a guy was staring at me, I didn’t feel confident, he took another girl to the room for an hour or more. Then afterwards we run into each other and he tells me how he was waiting for me and would rather have spent the time with me. FML

LadyJezebel
03-25-2020, 11:31 AM
Getting to the club super late. For me I can't start hustling until at least 30 mins after I've arrived. I need time to acclimate myself. I can't just jump right in, I need to get my toes wet first. I see another dancers running around getting dances, while I'm still standing there watching the room. Plus it puts a lot of pressure on me to make house and big $$$$$.

Same!! I’ve always been a late arrived-usually 9-10pm and we are open till 4. I usually can’t start really hustling until I have my first drink (I know many will disagree with this behavior but it works for me)

Now that I’ve been dancing for a number of years, I try to force myself to talk to someone as soon as I get there. Even if they say no, at least I’ve gotten my feet wet, and will be more relaxed when the guy for me comes in or becomes available.

Bloom2018
03-25-2020, 05:14 PM
Mistakes:


- Not asking for the good customers phone number. Get a second phone number through google voice. It only takes 5 minutes and it's FREE. Download the google texting app so you can easily access calls/messages on your main phone. Just make sure you only use it only for customers so the phone number doesn't link to you anywhere on the internet. You can also create a premium snapchat with the google voice number. Extra money through snapchat.

- Compare your money with other dancer's earnings. The amount other dancers make doesn't reflect your own earning potential/efforts.

- Spend too much time in the dressing room

- Listen to negative dancers whine (wahhh its so slow <---- tune this out)

- Pay more attention to other dancers than the customers

- Be mean to customers who pay you. Some may like it, most don't

- Be high-energy with low-energy customers, vice versa

- Sit with customers for way too long, for free. Unless you know for sure he will take you to VIP, you've wasted your time (time=money) AND this pisses off other dancers when the club is slow.

- Let customers cross your boundaries. They don't deserve it and should respect your boundaries PLUS tip you well. If they try, let them know you deserve to be treated like a queen.

- Not asking for a tip. Ask for the tip. You deserve the maximum tip, especially dealing with these perverts.

- Be an insecure drama queen

- Getting drunk at the club when you are not making money.

- Spending too much time with one customer. Kind of like putting your eggs in one basket.


Judging guys by what they're wearing and assuming they won't spend! I've had guys in t-shirts and jeans spend hundreds on me and guys in suits and ties be cheap as hell.


True dat! This is where getting a glimpse at their credit card can come in handy. AMEX platinum cards or higher are always a great sign.