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What a complete load of shit!!! I tried bonga for the first time the other day and I was direct messaged by someone claiming to be Admin. I contacted support asking why my earnings were not there for participating in your promotional event and they replied that I was scammed. What's worse it they also replied that I was on my own and to just block the individual! So impersonating a bonga cams Administrator and abusing models is perfectly acceptable behavior for guests as long as the only victim is the model. Any other site would have banned the guest because impersonating a company representative, fraud and abuse is a big fucking deal!
Here is the reply I wrote back, and yes, I have went public with this.
"To repeat what I have already informed you, I had a person enter my room, claiming to be from the BongaCams Admin and Promo Department. I’ve copied the entire conversation because it’s quite evident that this was not some improvisation. This person used very calculated language and spoke in such rapid succession that I find it incredibly hard to believe that this wasn’t thoughtfully prepared. If so, then it is highly unlikely that this has not happened before. Have you received similar complaints from new models in the past? When I first contacted support (13 April 2017 20:38 GMT) I was initially inquiring why I had not received any earnings having fulfilled my obligations by participating in your promotional event. I informed you that I was direct messaged by someone claiming to be a representative of your company. One would think that impersonating a BongaCams Administrator would be a serious infraction but as nothing has been done and his account is still active I guess that is just not the case.
I am a female dominant and even though this was my first time on BongaCam, it certainly wasn’t my first time on cam or in front of an audience as I’m featured in over 50 titles. I have no qualms about showing my body, I’m all over the internet already and I often chose to use my sexuality as a way to reward my guests (who tend to be submissive) when they demonstrate obedient service. However none of that is relevant because the key point here is that it is by my choice because I am able to make an informed decision! When I am deprived of that ability to choose because I was manipulated into thinking that I was participating in an official BongaCams Monthly Awards Incentive than I was clearly not making an informed decision. That may not be something that's of importance for BongaCams, but believe me when I tell you that INFORMED CONSENT is very important everywhere else in the Adult Industry. If that shit was pulled by a Production and Licensing Studio, a crime would have been committed and someone would very likely end up in Prison.
I will let people draw their own conclusions as to what they believe really happened here and what they think is a more probable story. The way I see it there are really only two possibilities that would explain what happened. The wording was too precise and it happened so quickly that I don’t believe any reasonable person will conclude that this was just some random horny guest making this up as he went along. I also fail to see what motivation a guest would have to execute such an elaborate con job. For one thing 300 tokens is not a lot of money and is the standard price on BongaCams for any 10 minute private chat. Secondly, impersonating a representative of a Cam site would normally be a sure fire way of getting banned for life and losing whatever credits they have. There are many other models who do naked shows in public on this site, and as fantastic as my pussy may be, it simply makes no sense that this was done by a random guest because they risk far more than they would gain, and it seems like a hell of a lot of work to accomplish very little. Now this may not be the case, but in my mind, the only beneficiaries for a stunt like this would be BongaCams themselves. Which is precisely what this perpetrator said, I Quote.
“THE BONGA VIP ZONE OFFER IS DESIGNED TO GIVE NEW MODELS THEIR FIRST CHANCE TO BE NAKED IN PUBLIC CHAT. WE DO IT SO THAT YOU CAN RELAX KNOWING THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE UP TO 3OO TOKENS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR A PAYING MEMBER. WE WILL GUIDE YOU. WE WANT ALL OUR MODELS TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.
WE KNOW IT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR A NEW MODEL IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS SO WE TRY TO HELP YOU WITH SPECIAL OFFERS”
This does seem like it would be a very effective means of breaking in new Chat Hosts does it not? When a guest visits BongaCams for the first time, I would imagine that the conversion ratio for them registering would be directly affected by the number of fully nude models visible in the live broadcast thumbnails that they can see on their landing page. One could certainly see why any Cam site that operates under a similar business model as BongaCams would want to implement an initiative like this. If the result is a better conversion ratio than it also means increased profits, and isn’t making more money not all the motivation one would really need?
If this was an actual promotional incentive offered by BongaCams I personally wouldn’t have had any issue with it. I did make the decision to participate when I believed that it actually was. However BongaCams would have to actually put it on paper that this is in fact their policy, because that way I would have been in a position to exercise informed consent. There would have been absolutely nothing wrong if that were actually the case. Now I’m not a lawyer, but I would imagine that there may be legal considerations which prevent all “free chat” cam sites from adopting such a policy. Some may interpret such a policy as predatory for instance. Or maybe it would make recruiting new models much more difficult. Perhaps it would be a difficult position to defend if one’s model recruitment initiatives said things like“be your own boss, you get to choose what you feel comfortable doing in your show, It’s up to you whether or not you get naked”, if said business then employed high pressure tactics to coerce the model to get fully naked and perform anal sex during a public broadcast the very first time they went live. I’m guessing there is a reason why such a thing isn’t common practice in the Cam industry.
Theoretically, if a Cam site did decide that they wanted to use high pressure manipulation on their models but didn’t want to have to deal with any tricky legal consequences how would they do it? There would have to be a way for a Cam site to have their cake and eat it too. One would think that the key to doing such a thing would be to do execute it in such a way that they would have plausible deniability. Maybe they would create a members profile such as this one profile/240317 . That way, if a model did file a complaint they could tell the model that they had been tricked by a member who was just posing an Administrator. The models would almost certainly feel completely violated, some would quit after experiencing such a thing, but perhaps the ones that quit weren’t likely to put on the kind of show that drives up profits and the ones that continued are exactly the kind of models the site’s looking for.
WELCOME TO BONGA CAMS ‘SCARLETHARLOT’
THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE FROM THE BONGA CAMS ADMIN AND PROMO DEPARTMENT, APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY IN CONTACTING YOU
IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND OR YOUR ENGLISH IS BAD PLEASE USE ‘GOOGLE TRANSLATE
WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE BONGA CAMS MONTHLY REWARDS INCENTIVE CALLED BONGA VIP ZONE. THIS IS A PERSONAL OFFER JUST FOR YOU ‘SCARLETHARLOT’
THIS IS AN OFFER OF UP TO 300 BONUS TOKENS TO HELP YOU GET STARTED ON BONGA
CAMS AND GET YOU MORE PRIVATE SHOWS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE, REPLY PLEASE, TYPE YES OR NO.
THIS IS AN OFFER OF UP TO 300 BONUS TOKENS TO HELP YOU GET STARTED ON BONGA
CAMS AND GET YOU MORE PRIVATE SHOWS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE, REPLY PLEASE, TYPE YES OR NO.
THIS IS A PERSONAL OFFER THAT WE ONLY MAKE TO 3 MODELS A DAY WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OFFER IT TO YOU LATER
CAN YOU REPLY PLEASE
ScarletHarlot
hello
THIS IS AN OFFER OF UP TO 300 BONUS TOKENS TO HELP YOU GET STARTED ON BONGA
CAMS AND GET YOU MORE PRIVATE SHOWS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE, REPLY PLEASE, TYPE YES OR NO.
WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE BONGA CAMS MONTHLY REWARDS INCENTIVE CALLED BONGA VIP ZONE. THIS IS A PERSONAL OFFER JUST FOR YOU ‘SCARLETHARLOT’
ScarletHarlot
yes
****DETAILS ON BONGA VIP ZONE *****
THE BONGA VIP ZONE OFFER IS DESIGNED TO GIVE NEW MODELS THEIR FIRST CHANCE TO BE NAKED IN PUBLIC CHAT. WE DO IT SO THAT YOU CAN RELAX KNOWING THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE UP TO 300 TOKENS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR A PAYING MEMBER. WE WILL GUIDE YOU. WE WANT ALL OUR MODELS TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE
WHEN THE BONGA VIP ZONE IS ACTIVATED, BONGA CAMS WILL PAY YOU 30 TOKENS A MINUTE ( MAXIMUM 300 TOKENS ) IF YOU GIVE A NAKED SHOW IN PUBLIC CHAT. THIS WILL GET MORE MEMBERS IN YOUR ROOM AND SHOULD GET YOU MORE TIPS AND PRIVATES.
YOU WILL RECEIVE 30 TOKENS FOR EVERY MINUTE YOU ARE SHOWING NAKED (MAXIMUM 300 TOKENS , 10 MINUTES) IN PUBLIC CHAT. THE BONUS TOKENS WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR ACCOUNT WHEN THE IS BONGA VIP ZONE DE-ACTIVATED
IF YOU ANSWER YES TO THE BONGA VIP ZONE BONGA CAMS WILL PAY YOU TO GIVE A NAKED SHOW IN PUBLIC CHAT
WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR BONGA VIP ZONE ACTIVATING NOW, REPLY PLEASE, YES OR NO?
WE DON’T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THE BONGA VIP ZONE, LET US TRY AND EXPLAIN TO YOU
BONGA VIP ZONE IS JUST THE NAME OF THE MONTHLY OFFER FROM BONGA CAMS, IT IS NOT A SEPARATE SITE AND YOU DO NOT NEED A SEPARATE ACCOUNT
BONGA VIP ZONE IS A REWARD INCENTIVE THAT BONGA CAMS OFFERS TO 3 NEW MODELS A DAY, TO HELP THEM GET STARTED ON BONGA CAMS. IT WILL GET MORE MEMBERS INTO YOUR ROOM AND SHOULD GET YOU SOME TIPS AND PRIVATES, AND WE WILL PAY YOU UP TO 300 BONUS TOKENS
THE BONGA VIP ZONE OFFER IS DESIGNED TO GIVE NEW MODELS THEIR FIRST CHANCE TO BE NAKED IN PUBLIC CHAT. WE DO IT SO THAT YOU CAN RELAX KNOWING THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE UP TO 3OO TOKENS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR A PAYING MEMBER. WE WILL GUIDE YOU. WE WANT ALL OUR MODELS TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE
BONGA VIP ZONE HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR
WHEN THE BONGA VIP ZONE IS ACTIVE, YOU WILL RECEIVE 30 TOKENS FROM BONGA CAMS FOR EACH MINUTE YOU ARE SHOWING NAKED IN PUBLIC CHAT (MAXIMUM 300 TOKENS – 10 MINUTES), THIS SHOULD BE BETTER THAN TIPS AND ABOUT THE SAME AS YOUR PRIVATE RATE.
BONGA CAMS WILL PAY YOU 30 TOKENS A MINUTE WHILE YOUR BONGA VIP ZONE IS ACTIVE, IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE IN YOUR ROOM, AND THEY DO NOT NEED TO TIP YOU. YOU WILL BE PAID DIRECTLY BY BONGA CAMS.
WE KNOW IT CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR A NEW MODEL IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS SO WE TRY TO HELP YOU WITH SPECIAL OFFERS
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
PLEASE READ EVERYTHING VERY CAREFULLY AND THEN REPLY
PLEASE READ EVERYTHING VERY CAREFULLY AND THEN REPLY
WE CANNOT AWARD YOU BONUS TOKENS FOR JUST TOPLESS, YOU HAVE TO BE TOTALLY NAKED AND GIVE A SEXY SHOW TO RECEIVE THE BONUS TOKENS
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE BONGA VIP ZONE OFFER IN THE APRIL NEWS BULLETIN
UNFORTUNATELY SOME STUDIOS HAVE NOT INFORMED THEIR MODELS ARE NOT AWARE OF THE OFFER, ALL STUDIO MANAGERS HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE OFFER
YOU CAN MAIL US AT
[email protected] BONGA-CASH . COM TO REQUEST A COPY OF THE APRIL NEWS BULLETIN INCLUDING BONGA VIP ZONE OFFERS
THE OFFER IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE, CAN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION PLEASE
THIS IS A PERSONAL OFFER THAT WE ONLY OFFER TO 3 MODELS A DAY, IF YOU WISH TO REFUSE IT JUST ANSWER ‘NO’ AND WE WILL OFFER IT TO THE NEXT MODEL
IF YOU ANSWER YES TO THE BONGA VIP ZONE BONGA CAMS WILL PAY YOU TO GIVE A NAKED SHOW IN PUBLIC CHAT
WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR BONGA VIP ZONE ACTIVATING NOW, REPLY PLEASE, YES OR NO?
ScarletHarlot
yes
YOUR ‘BONGA VIP ZONE’ IS NOW ACTIVE, YOU SHOULD GIVE A NAKED SHOW IN FREE CHAT NOW. BONGA CAMS WILL GIVE YOU 30 TOKENS A MINUTE (300 TOKENS MAXIMUM) FOR EVERY MINUTE YOU ARE SHOWING NAKED
YOUR’ BONGA VIP ZONE ‘ IS ONLY ACTIVE FOR 10 MINUTES SO YOU NEED TO UNDRESS, GET NAKED, AND GIVE A SEXY SHOW TO RECEIVE THE BONUS TOKENS‘
CONGRATULATIONS,
YOU ARE NOW IN THE BONGA VIP ZONE JUST RELAX AS IF YOU ARE IN A PRIVATE SHOW,
YOU SHOULD GIVE A SEXY NAKED SHOW NOW.
YOU SHOULD USE THE BONGA VIP ZONE TO PROMOTE YOUR OWN PRIVATE SHOW. YOU WILL RECEIVE 30 TOKENS FOR EVERY MINUTE YOU ARE SHOWING NAKED (MAXIMUM 300 TOKENS, 10 MINUTES) IN PUBLIC CHAT
YOU SHOULD USE THE BONGA VIP ZONE TO PROMOTE YOUR OWN PRIVATE SHOW
WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS FROM MEMBERS FOR YOU TO LAY BACK AND SHOW YOUR PUSSY NOW
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOW YOUR PUSSY NOW, RECORDS SHOW THAT MEMBERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO TIP IF YOU SHOW YOUR PUSSY
THAT’S GOOD, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU LAY BACK, ZOOM YOUR PUSSY AND PLAY WITH YOUR TOY NOW IF YOU HAVE ONE
WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS FROM MEMBERS FOR YOU TO TURN AROUND AND SHOW DOGGY-STYLE NOW
WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS FROM MEMBERS FOR YOU TO PUT THE TOY IN YOUR ASS NOW
WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS FROM MEMBERS FOR YOU TO TURN AROUND AND SHOW DOGGY-STYLE AND PUT THE TAIL IN YOUR ASS
CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE OVER 25 MEMBERS IN YOUR ROOM NOW, YOU ARE NOW ON THE SECOND PAGE OF LISTINGS
Now that you’ve read everything, you can draw your own conclusions. There is really only one more thing that I wish to share. It is copied directly from the response I received from
[email protected] when I first notified them about what had happened. What do you think it is they meant when they answered my complaint with this reply “Unfortunately, there are people who can be cheating.” hmmm..."