View Full Version : Daddy/daughter fetish. Thoughts on this?
beauvoir
02-02-2016, 01:20 PM
How would you do it within TOC though? I don't think any cam site allows daddy / daughter do they?
I see it on c4s but have never seen a cam site that allows it. Come to think of it, wonder why their billing provider allows it at c4s? They won't allow a domme clip of mine that said "force a man to cum till he cries" but will allow daddy daughter which is odd to me.
Roleplay. Daddy is a pet name (I've called boys Daddy in the past). As long as it's clearly within the bounds of fantasy and roleplay, then what's the harm?
beauvoir
02-02-2016, 01:21 PM
But, this is sex. It's deeply personal and deeply psychological. What is hot and horny for one person is triggering and upsetting for others. Which is why there are so many sex workers like us out there, right? If we all offered the same, or all had the same moral compass, we'd be squabbling over the same damn customers.
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TheBrownFox
02-02-2016, 01:49 PM
As they say on The King of Queens...gonna have to give you a big fat 'NO' on that one!
laurielegs
02-02-2016, 01:55 PM
Roleplay. Daddy is a pet name (I've called boys Daddy in the past). As long as it's clearly within the bounds of fantasy and roleplay, then what's the harm?
it's in the terms of service though that you can't roleplay incest on every site I know of (except a few clip sites).
There are a lot of roleplays that I could offer that I feel there is no harm (blackmail, hypno fantasies, forced cum) but most of the sites I work won't allow it. I hate turning down money but don't want to get banned either.
sovereignv
02-02-2016, 01:58 PM
But we are adults, men looking at us/role playing with us know we aren't children and that what we are doing isn't child porn. Men who really are into children wouldn't get turned on by playing/pretending with an adult who has tits and hair.
Oh, I really think that depends on the session. I don't think that everyone who is into ageplay is literally into children. But I do think that some are. I was more speaking of whether playing out a fantasy makes you less likely to pursue it - I don't think, however, that two adults roleplaying dd/lg are gonna go out and molest people. On the other hand, going to a more young-looking performer and asking her to pretend to be 13 while you molest her or whatever is a massive warning sign to me.
Classy_Katy
02-02-2016, 01:59 PM
In my experience, the ones whom I've discovered to be pedophiles have been more into the idea of me molesting children WITH them.
Oh God, I've come across those...
I don't like being asked about my own family.
I get the Daddy name thing. I don't do it. And then there's supposedly Big Daddy= Shawn from SM. Then there's the kid and boy names. Like Lakid or Laboy. It's trendy like Daddy. But in my head I'm just thinking wtf. Peter Pan syndrome I suppose.
I'm sure my comment sounds closed minded from a sex worker. I'm actually all for legalized prostitution- Just not ageplay/incest. And if the Daddy/daughter thing is about domme/sub relationships then why not just come in like that? As a domme.
I wish there wasn't so many guys looking for incest, ageplay and mother fucking because I'd make bank if I was into it. The kind of bank that would have me running next to Trump.
N E way. Thanks for letting me voice my opinion without flaming me.
JaneBurgess
02-02-2016, 09:16 PM
He's a real creep. The first time I talked to him he did phone too and he was at a park. You could hear the kids yelling and playing. I ended the show as soon as he said 13 year old and then he said raping one real fast.
Yeah, see, there's one of my boundary lines, right there.
CocoaCaramelBBW
02-02-2016, 11:28 PM
I just had my first dom exclusive. I dont even offer it but he wanted to try me out i guess. It starts out as "a lil caucasian fag hungry for blk cock", then it devolves into wanting to suck"daddies cock" and me dressing him up and humiliating him. It was kinda hard considering ive never done humiliation or roleplay like that and his cam wasnt on. Obviously i didnt know what i was doing lol. Does this type of scenario play into this?
BadBitch
02-04-2016, 09:54 PM
He's a real creep. The first time I talked to him he did phone too and he was at a park. You could hear the kids yelling and playing. I ended the show as soon as he said 13 year old and then he said raping one real fast.
OMG. My stomach just sank.
xCamLovex
02-07-2016, 09:25 AM
This topic is dead to me as far as I'm concerned. I read this thread and did a stepdad RP and the very next day was suspended. Sorry but it's too grey area and there's too many models that are patrolling pages and reporting ppl. No, I would do stepdad or anything grey area bc SM will not stand by you no matter what that email says about step. Don't do it.
CatBBW
02-07-2016, 09:30 AM
This topic is dead to me as far as I'm concerned. I read this thread and did a stepdad RP and the very next day was suspended. Sorry but it's too grey area and there's too many models that are patrolling pages and reporting ppl. No, I would do stepdad or anything grey area bc SM will not stand by you no matter what that email says about step. Don't do it.
oh fuck, not good :( I wonder who could have reported? Couldn't have been another model unless she was in the paid show with the customer? Unless SM were actually monitoring at the time :-\
xCamLovex
02-07-2016, 09:47 AM
oh fuck, not good :( I wonder who could have reported? Couldn't have been another model unless she was in the paid show with the customer? Unless SM were actually monitoring at the time :-\
SM might very well have been monitoring but I never stated an underage age and said stepdad the entire time. Grey area is always going to be no in a sites TOC. I also think there are models who screenshot anything they feel uestionable on other models profiles and report it.
xCamLovex
02-07-2016, 11:55 AM
I don't have a problem with this type of roleplay. It's just an act. In fact, much of our "morality" comes from social constructs. In other cultures, it is perfectly acceptable to get married at a very young age. Some cultures accept huge age differences and in others incest is actually encouraged to keep the bloodlines pure. Where does it say anywhere that such behavior is truly wrong? I suppose the scientific explanation is that we need to spread our gene pool and lessen the chance of genetic abnormalities occurring but, even so, why does "incest" occur in nature among animals? Are they disgusting beings with no moral code?
I'm not going to go out and marry my father or anything, and I'm sure as hell not sexually attracted to him. I don't encourage it either probably because social pressure has influenced me and I would feel uncomfortable if I saw it really happen in front of my eyes. BUT, I have no problem acting out the fantasy because that's all it is and all it ever will be and I charge BIG money to do so.
I love you for this hyori. Best post on here.
i think SM needs to do a better job on banning users who habitually come on SM and ask for pee poo age play and ect should be reported or monitored and removed. Sure you can penalize the model and prevent streaming but what about the users who are hunting for these acts? Why let them have accounts when every single thing they want isn't legally allowed? I can't even prevent users from changing their usernames so they can bamboozle me for content but they can stay? Yeah they might have the credit card on file but SM you can't do anything with his card until he starts a show with one of us. So users shouldn't be able to ask for lude shows just as much as much as we can't ride the line and accept them.
Sam38g
02-07-2016, 10:25 PM
All sites have a TOS, due to the billing companies requiring it. No site is going to risk it losing their biller for a few dollars. You must assume everything is being recorded & will end up on a tubesite somewhere.
Thus, you could be breaking local laws in regards to incest or underage play. Not to mention the U.S. gov watches & knows everything we do on computers & phones.
Is taking the risk for the mone on a slow day worth the long term repercussion? ON sm you can be terminated for breaking underage & incest role play, is those few dollars you make worth losing the ability to cam on it for the rest of the time you cam as a career?
If recorded & put on a tubesite, if you were to have children & a custody battle how well do you think that will do you in a court room? Several of my friends have had videos pulled off of tubesites & used against them in a court of law. Fortunately for them regular porn is NOT illegal, but if they had done incest or underage role play, might not have gone so well for them.
As soon as anything underage or incest was typed out in free or paid chat if not reported by SM and many other cam site rules is enough to terminate the contract with you. So what custie is worth losing your job over? So if you made $100 off of it, but lost the job & say you made $20,000 a year on that cam site. Didn't gain $100, but could lose out on $20,000 & more depending on how long you plan to cam as a career.
SaraLaughs
02-09-2016, 08:15 PM
To be honest, I think a lot of Daddy/daughter play isn't really about incest at all. It's kind of like a kink for an S.S. officer uniforms/persona/roleplay- it's not that the people who fetishise that particular scenario are Nazi sympathisers, but rather that Nazi-ism is a prominent symbol of brutal, inflexible, authoritarian power. Most people into that kind of thing want to be treated like dirt, made to do humiliating/degrading things, perhaps beaten or whipped, all without the 'S.S. Officer' (airquotes) breaking rank or delivering any sort of gratification to the 'detainee'. It's more about symbolism than circumstances.
What does a father represent? Strength, authority, teaching, nurturing, responsibility, love, discipline, and so on. A child supplicates to their father's will. Without the incestuous connotations, that's quite similar to the dominant persona lots of people enjoy exerting in the bedroom. It doesn't have to be/isn't always about incest, but about the roles people play during sex. The atmosphere and edging on taboos can be a huge part of people's sexual excitement. Personally, I choose to judge not.
AvaLove
02-10-2016, 11:13 AM
I do not do it at all and it makes me made when I am in a middle of private the guys try to enforce age play/incest roleplay. Just because I am sex worker does not mean I do not have boundaries.
xCamLovex
02-10-2016, 12:33 PM
I do not do it at all and it makes me made when I am in a middle of private the guys try to enforce age play/incest roleplay. Just because I am sex worker does not mean I do not have boundaries.
For me too it starts during the show. I won't know I have a weirdo in my room until mid dildo bang.
Ladybuggie
01-09-2017, 09:00 PM
So, in terms or what it's ALLOWED by Adultwork's TOS, is it allowed to roleplay as underage where the age is stated (i.e, 16), incest daddy/daughter (and you actually referring to the customer as "daddy"), and other stuff like , for example, roleplaying that you're engaging in bestiality, or are all these super big NO-NOs and you'll get your sorry ass suspended?
Not talking about what everybody thinks is wrong or right but what actually is in the TOS of Adultwork. I've read them but I want to be sure 100%.
Cheers! x =)
DamnJolene
01-10-2017, 05:49 PM
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KatyBoleyn
01-10-2017, 05:59 PM
Do male models on SM sign a different contract to female models? There is literally a Daddy category on the side bar for guys cams. I know plenty about this kink and relationship style in the gay community, and it's mirror image in straight or trans couples but for clarification here is a wiki definition:
A Daddy in gay culture is a slang term meaning a (typically) older man sexually involved in a relationship or having a sexual interest in a younger man. The age gap may differ, but the relationship involves the traditional parental hierarchy of father-son dynamics, the daddy providing emotional support and guidance along with sexual encouragement and nurturing to the inexperienced and vulnerable partner.
Just wondered how this fits into the debate and contributes to the 'grey area' in the TOS.
There's no "gray area" really with the daddy/daughter or mommy/daddy fetish at all. Age is irrelevant, as is the actual "relationship" between the role-players. The legit fetishists want the "feeling" associated with being comforted or doing something dirty/humiliating. They may say an age only as relevant to the mindset or maturity level they wish to regress. They would be morally opposed like anyone else if actual children were involved. There's nothing wrong with this. Being child-like is the fetish.
Legit pedophiles, on the other hand, will demand you need to be a certain age or a particular person in relationship to them to fulfill their fantasy. They want you to actually be or describe yourself as a child (with details) among other disturbing scenarios. These people would have no issues involving actual children in their scenarios, real or fantasy. Children are the fetish.
The issue is that its very nuanced to someone not experienced, and even less nuanced for law enforcement or credit card companies to make that difference, so most websites will make it entirely against the TOS for any such roleplay of either type. Even if websites allowed A but not B, you'll still get both models and customers that will do B and claim A if they're caught.
bbwbrianna
01-10-2017, 06:54 PM
You should check the rules of the site you are on to see if incest is allowed. I would never wanna pretend to be underage and I ban guys that pull this shit mid show. If it's streamate then incest play is a definite "no". Age play is a no on all sites because why talk about minors on a sex site?
LolaLu
01-14-2017, 07:16 AM
Just as a sidenote to this thread, most convicted paedos have been found to role play their age 'fantasies' out online in one form or another prior to doing the deed!
luvnrockets
01-16-2017, 03:16 PM
Just as a sidenote to this thread, most convicted paedos have been found to role play their age 'fantasies' out online in one form or another prior to doing the deed!
Do you have a source for this, in the context of engaging with adults online (as opposed to children)?
winnipeg
01-16-2017, 04:31 PM
Do you have a source for this, in the context of engaging with adults online (as opposed to children)?
taken from netaddiction - The discovery that pedophilic chat rooms existed onlineprovides a curious user with an initial doorway for inappropriate sexual experimentation to occur (Young, 2001).
luvnrockets
01-17-2017, 10:07 AM
taken from netaddiction - The discovery that pedophilic chat rooms existed onlineprovides a curious user with an initial doorway for inappropriate sexual experimentation to occur (Young, 2001).
Just a study of 22 forensic interviews, so definitely not conclusively "most convicted pedophiles," but thanks for sharing!
IvyRose
01-17-2017, 10:21 AM
I had a guy yesterday asking to take me private, but he wanted me to pretend to be his daughter, I really don't like this fetish, but it was slow, so whatever.
Then he asked how old was I, I said 24 and he said "Can you pretend to be half of this age?"
I started thinking and got a little creeped out and kicked him from my room.
So what would you do? Is this a normal request?
Have you done it?
What are your thoughts on a fetish that includes a minor in the roleplay?
Don't do anything you don't feel comfortable doing
If you are not sure you want to do it or not, do not do it until you are sure it is something you are willing to offer
do keep in mind that members can record the show, and that it may pop up on the internet for all to see
As for me as a individual:
I do not play up a age under 18, also I dont verbally go into it. MInor in roleplay: nope
I have done daddy shows; but I only do the sugardaddy thing.. when I feel they are more into the age/daughter thing its not my customer. I guess I have a weird spot though because I do love mommy or sister roleplays, I think I am more into the dominant roles...
BTW my first language isnt English, so it is easier for me to use the word daddy in a show, because i do not feel any emotion using it whatsoever.
scarletl
01-17-2017, 12:51 PM
I don't mind catering for incest roleplay fantasies but not age play under 18.
I wasn't totally sure about the incest roleplay at first.
My cam site is MFC, so not sure what it's like on SM. But on MFC there is a large and growing trend for the very young looking girls. The girls who look very underage are all doing pretty darn well and I believe it's purely down to the whole age play fantasy. I'm 25 and don't really look younger than that so I don't fall into the category.
Smurfette
01-17-2017, 01:17 PM
Incest stuff doesn't bother me at all, in fact it probably makes up the majority of my income, lol. I have close relationships with my kids, both parents, my brothers and a sister and in my head I do NOT connect them to the roleplays I do in any way, shape or form.
For me I'm not literally talking about MY dad in particular (or any other family member). It's more of a psychological thrill, a very taboo, forbidden sort of relationship with a clear power play. It's just another form of D/s. I always imagine hypothetical, imaginary scenarios that don't relate to my life at all.
Incest is all over our media and popular culture, and always has been. Two of my favorite shows, GoT and Bates Motel, feature incest/incestual themes very prominently and IMO it's no big deal and in fact, quite interesting.
I'm a little more wary of ageplay, and I won't generally state an age outright. As others have mentioned, it's pretty easy to distinguish the "safe" guys who just like to fantasize, over the guys who may very well be obvious pedos. The latter I refuse to engage with and will ban right away.
I think it's a little presumptuous to immediately judge and condemn these men for having these fantasies. IME it's extremely common and I highly doubt every single one of them is an actual sexual deviant.
Fantasy is just that: fantasy.
edit: I would also like to add that I used to do frequent incest roleplays on SM (no longer work there) and was never once banned or even warned. That's just my experience though, YMMV.
winnipeg
01-17-2017, 01:56 PM
Just a study of 22 forensic interviews, so definitely not conclusively "most convicted pedophiles," but thanks for sharing!
You make some sweeping assumptions! Firstly that most convicted pedophiles want to take part in this sort of research. Secondly that they utilized age play as a doorway into reality.
Do you know how difficult it is to recruit these sorts of target populations? so N=22 is utterly irrelevant. If 22 subjects provide significant results, how does this differ from a sample of 222? all that matters is the tests show internal reliability and that there is a high power if the results are significant.
I'm more than happy to read over any research you find which suggests fantasy age play does NOT lead to real life crime, if you can find any that is.
Magical_Hoohah
01-17-2017, 03:31 PM
http://netaddiction.com/articles/Pedophile.pdf
This was simply a case study to create a criminal profile for virtual sex offenders. The author wasn't attempting to present any statistical analysis or determine causality. In her conclusion, the author even says "going online for sexual pursuits does not necessarily cause problems or inevitably lead to inappropriate sexual acting out". While the case study supports the idea that online pedo fantasies can lead to further online pedo activity (such as chatting with minors and possession of child porn), it doesn't have much to do with LolaLu's initial argument at all.
Just as a sidenote to this thread, most convicted paedos have been found to role play their age 'fantasies' out online in one form or another prior to doing the deed!
Firstly, none of the people in the case study were convicted - they were simply accused (albeit with pretty sturdy evidence). In all cases, it was their first violation.
Secondly, none of them had had physical sexual contact with a minor at all. In fact, of the 22 men, 2 failed to go to the meeting place; 10 showed up but didn't approach the "minor;" 9 were arrested on the spot, so we have no idea what they would have done; and only 1 of them even approached the "minor" in question.
Thirdly, the entire case study is about the significant differences in mindset and approach between online/virtual pedos (that engage in online fantasies and child porn) and "classic" pedos (who physically engage with minors). The main finding seems to be that classic pedos make realistic plans, stalk their target, and do everything they can to complete the act. Meanwhile virtual offenders tend to keep it in the virtual realm and half-ass their IRL approach, if they even get that far. She also points out that classic pedophiles don't tend to enjoy online environments where they know or suspect that the other person is an adult pretending to be a minor (which would suggest that cam sites are unsatisfying to "classic" pedos).
And finally, this quote from the study, which makes me wonder if the author had some inappropriate bias about the topic:
Virtual Offenders often start out in general adult sex chat rooms and gradually experiment with erotic and graphic chat themes, dabbling in bondage rooms, water sports rooms, interracial sex rooms, gay men rooms, or phone sex rooms. The risk of experimenting in sexually deviant online fantasies is that the virtual sex offender begins to distort what normal sex is and slowly develops a dependency on the nightly variety of sexual themes that Internet chat rooms can provide.
I think it's problematic that this author thinks that "normal sex" is a real thing in the first place, and apparently feels that gay and interracial sex (among other pretty normal things) are "sexually deviant." :O Even if we were to take this quote seriously, it would mean that any of us that offer any sort of fetish could be catering to a potential pedo.
P.S. I don't know one way or the other whether it's true that online pedo fantasies frequently precede "doing the deed." I just don't think that this study supports that conclusion, nor do I think it was intended to.
winnipeg
01-17-2017, 05:06 PM
http://netaddiction.com/articles/Pedophile.pdf
This was simply a case study to create a criminal profile for virtual sex offenders. The author wasn't attempting to present any statistical analysis or determine causality. In her conclusion, the author even says "going online for sexual pursuits does not necessarily cause problems or inevitably lead to inappropriate sexual acting out". While the case study supports the idea that online pedo fantasies can lead to further online pedo activity (such as chatting with minors and possession of child porn), it doesn't have much to do with LolaLu's initial argument at all.
Firstly, none of the people in the case study were convicted - they were simply accused (albeit with pretty sturdy evidence). In all cases, it was their first violation.
Secondly, none of them had had physical sexual contact with a minor at all. In fact, of the 22 men, 2 failed to go to the meeting place; 10 showed up but didn't approach the "minor;" 9 were arrested on the spot, so we have no idea what they would have done; and only 1 of them even approached the "minor" in question.
Thirdly, the entire case study is about the significant differences in mindset and approach between online/virtual pedos (that engage in online fantasies and child porn) and "classic" pedos (who physically engage with minors). The main finding seems to be that classic pedos make realistic plans, stalk their target, and do everything they can to complete the act. Meanwhile virtual offenders tend to keep it in the virtual realm and half-ass their IRL approach, if they even get that far. She also points out that classic pedophiles don't tend to enjoy online environments where they know or suspect that the other person is an adult pretending to be a minor (which would suggest that cam sites are unsatisfying to "classic" pedos).
And finally, this quote from the study, which makes me wonder if the author had some inappropriate bias about the topic:
I think it's problematic that this author thinks that "normal sex" is a real thing in the first place, and apparently feels that gay and interracial sex (among other pretty normal things) are "sexually deviant." :O Even if we were to take this quote seriously, it would mean that any of us that offer any sort of fetish could be catering to a potential pedo.
P.S. I don't know one way or the other whether it's true that online pedo fantasies frequently precede "doing the deed." I just don't think that this study supports that conclusion, nor do I think it was intended to.
The initial argument was that engaging in ageplay fantasies could lead to actual offending. As cam girls we have no way of knowing if someone is a virtual offender or a classic offender, for example someone could be a convicted classic offender and be on tag after coming from prison - so their outlet could indeed be they switch to virtual offending as they cannot leave the house or are being monitored if on suspended sentences.
All 22 did go to meet the minor though, suggesting it had shifted from fantasy to reality. They were all at differing stages of this shift, hence some approached, some did not ect. This is where the problem lies, to what extent is this shift facilitated by age play on cam? I take this quote from the article to reiterate this point
"Users are free to explore pedophilic themes within the sexually uninhibited environment of the Internet. In this way, cyberspace becomes an enabler allowing users to create personalized content without any
limitations".