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simone87
02-14-2016, 02:52 PM
Objectifying somebody is only seeing them as an object, a non-person with no humanity, who is just there to be fucked..finding somebody attractive doesn't equal objectification. We are all sexual beings, men and women. This culture is just geared towards men, so women are more often put on display for male pleasure. But that doesn't mean that all men ( and/or only men) objectify all women no matter what just because sex drive exists, that was my point.
And I meant the " quality man" statement as in you were implying no quality man would ever date a sex worker so we should hide what we do to be more accepted by these men

red.velvet
02-14-2016, 03:06 PM
Objectifying somebody is only seeing them as an object, a non-person with no humanity, who is just there to be fucked..finding somebody attractive doesn't equal objectification.

Yes, and that's why women are eternally objectified because men are ingrained biologically to see them that why. If that wasn't true, rape culture wouldn't be a thing. And those are just the ones that act on their impulsion, not the ones who just have thoughts about using a woman to only have sex with and that's it, which is literally every man ever.

(Before my words get twisted again, I'm not saying all men are rapists, I'm saying all men are biologically ingrained to objectify women, although most know that society doesn't allow them to talk about it to women or act on it. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't still happen 24/7 lol)



And I meant the " quality man" statement as in you were implying no quality man would ever date a sex worker so we should hide what we do to be more accepted by these men

I'm not saying no man will ever, but I'm saying by outting yourself as a sexworker without a man knowing you really well for a long time, you severely limit the # of prospects you do have in the dating world because most will stereotype or not put up with you being a sex object to other men for money. Men don't want to objectify women, but they do because of how they are wired biologically. If you tell them that is your job, they will forever see you in a sexually slutty light and do not respect you the way they respect a non-sexworker who is just as pretty. I wish it wasn't true, but it is true. It puts sexworkers at a disadvantage.

Literally every sexworker I know of whose in a long term monog relationship right now is because she knew the guy before she was a sexworker, or she hid it for so long (6 months+) and has other jobs going on in her life that he let it pass despite pressuring her to quit. But once a man has his mind made up about how you're slutty (which happens if you mention your sexwork before he knows you), then it won't go anywhere. The other exception I've see is she's famous and has money so he likes that aspect, but she's the breadwinner and he acts like a pimpy loser. These same things are not true for all the non-sexworkers I know, in the same aspects. It is like night and day.

And its not just dating and men. Its women too. Its everyone. Everyone judges women for being sexworkers, although they all have different motives for doing so.

simone87
02-14-2016, 03:23 PM
Ok, well I don't want to derail this thread but I very much disagree with the way you see men, and hate that society uses biology to excuse revolting behavior. Entitlement and hate drive rape. Rape is not about sex. I would really reconsider the ideas you have about men. K I'm out, sorry for derailing tour!

miss.a.p1600
02-14-2016, 03:28 PM
I kinda feel what omegaphallic is saying about more tame forms of careers being considered sex workers. And if they are not sex workers then they are really pushing the line like toe right on the line.

Everyone knows the saying "SEX SELLS!" and these models, socialites, etc to me would be right on the cusp of being sex workers.

And yes there are so many d list celebs who know sex sells and push the envelope with these so called leaked sex tapes to the point a cleverly released sex tape is now a marketing strategy. It's like hey ladies since porn is legal and sex sells and I want to be famous I'm going to make a film with my boyfriend (not a porn actor), have a middleman "leak" the tape (not released myself), and everyone gets paid after the fact to look less prostitute-ish. This way my actions don't count as sex work but I can reap the benefits of sex work. It will be called a publicity stunt an the more likely society will "delete ones hoeness" and completely forget their past.

Also I'm wondering is selling ones sexuality sex work? Or are "sexual services" things that are more explicit?

red.velvet
02-14-2016, 03:42 PM
^ Also, a large number of Hollywood models and actresses only do it to end up getting very expensive escort bookings. So how is it sexual advertisement for escorting for some girls (those who choose to escort), but not for others (those who choose not to escort)? Many go into those lines of work because they know they'll make a killing with private escorting bookings that they never have to reveal to the public, and only inner circle Hollywood people know about?

Thats why, to me, they're all sexworkers. They may have others jobs too, yes, but still sexworkers.

I live in Santa Monica and have a side (primary) sales business that crosses paths with the entertainment world so I know these things are real. The blues talk about booking them all the time on here too. No one in LA settles down or gets into monogamous relationships, so people tend to not be as judgmental as elsewhere, but it must suck if you want monogamy. I still vote keeping it private and dating well outside your client world.



It just seems like the more "high class" a person is and the more the transactions go down behind closed doors (like less than 3 people know, contracts are involved, high dollar amounts, the money is paid after, etc) the less likely the person is to be seen as a sex worker even though their actions cross into sex worker territory. Or the more likely society will "delete ones hoeness" and completely forget their past.I kinda feel what omegaphallic is saying about more tame forms of careers being considered sex workers. And if they are not sex workers then they are really pushing the line like toe right on the line.

That was my entire point. The fewer people who "know" about your sexwork, the less you'll be stereotyped as a sexworker, and thus the less hardships you'll have because of it with dating, family, friends, and overall day to day life. Less people knowing = less discrimination = more benefits in life.

tigershoes
02-14-2016, 03:47 PM
Noooo not this discussion again! About the quality men, etc. Most of us disagree and I think we left that on the other thread.

I do think that the line between sex workers and non-sex workers is not nearly as clear as many folks would like to think. Sex drives so much of mainstream industry. This is one reason I think that many of those who try to stigmatize us are only fooling themselves; I notice that the voices are often loudest from those who feel like they're on the fringe of the sex industry and want to differentiate themselves from it.

Anyway, I vote for using the term "sex worker" in general, rather than "prostitute." "Prostitute" carries too much stigma at this point and IMO only a few of those who would be using it are in the position to take it back and de-stigmatize it. Whenever it crops up in even a neutral conversation, it has the effect of tarnishing those being talked about, due to its history.

22lligm
02-14-2016, 05:07 PM
I know these things can be tough to hear or accept, but its reality. There are always exceptions to every rule, but these are general rules.

Lol I really don't think anything you're posting is mind blowing information to any of us. You keep acting like everyone is in denial and can't face the 'truth'. It really sounds like you have had a lot of terrible experiences with people and with relationships but I read your other thread and you said a few times you've had a lot of 'great relationships' lol. If that is the case then who cares? We are all happy with what we do and most of us have had or are currently in healthy relationships.

Also, have you ever considered the fact that some of us aren't even concerned about men or whoever else possibly judging us? I'm usually focused on paying my bills, saving money, hitting the gym, studying, what groceries I need, etc. and not OMG men are objectifying me and I'll never find a quality man because I'm a stripper!! lol

red.velvet
02-14-2016, 05:37 PM
I do think that the line between sex workers and non-sex workers is not nearly as clear as many folks would like to think.

Totally agree, which is why differing opinions are great as long as you explain the reasoning in detail.



Also, have you ever considered the fact that some of us aren't even concerned about men or whoever else possibly judging us? I'm usually focused on paying my bills, saving money, hitting the gym, studying, what groceries I need, etc. and not OMG men are objectifying me and I'll never find a quality man because I'm a stripper!! lol

There is a lot of talk about men because they are the consumers of sexwork and without them, sexwork wouldn't exist. Its not just men, its society, but some people keep honing in on my "men" comments so I can't help but assume that strikes a nerve in them and that's why they are picking and choosing what affects them. I am personally not affected by anything because I am really secure in my opinions, experience, accomplishments, and lifestyle, but I do love exposing my mind to other viewpoints. If one does affect me, I think to myself "wait a minute, why do I care? oh cool this is good, this is something I should work on being more secure in because clearly ______ struck a nerve for me."

I don't know why people are bothering to attack my own viewpoints or things I've personally witnessed in others. Again I think it must go back to striking a nerve in them that they may not realize is a sensitive area for them. If no one truly cared, my comment would just be read and ignored. It wouldn't be upsetting or continually need clarifications. Its not like I'm writing things without my own experience, reasonings, and factual information behind it.

I'm a sexworker and I never said I don't do all those things too. I never said I actually cared about perceptions of me, but on some level, everyone HAS to care because your personality and looks sell an image to each person you meet, and then society collectively. Its vital to have a good image if you want to make your dreams and goals come true. I know for me, hiding sexwork has given me GREAT benefit that has not happened with other sexworkers who are out about it. And that is me. Do I care what others girls do? No, why would I care? But when so many of them complain to me about the same issues, the very same issues written about every other thread in Life Support, well its obvious why they are having them. Things that make you go hmmmm. But my opinions? Those are mine and no one should really care, and if you do, it must be striking a nerve about a personal issue that person should be addressing within themselves.

miss.a.p1600
02-14-2016, 05:47 PM
So sorry y'all. I keep asking questions - it's just enlightening in a good way. I'll let some other people contribute. :)

22lligm
02-14-2016, 05:53 PM
Totally agree, which is why differing opinions are great as long as you explain the reasoning in detail.




There is a lot of talk about men because they are the consumers of sexwork and without them, sexwork wouldn't exist. Its not just men, its society, but some people keep honing in on my "men" comments so I can't help but assume that strikes a nerve in them and that's why they are picking and choosing what affects them. I am personally not affected by anything because I am really secure in my opinions, experience, accomplishments, and lifestyle, but I do love exposing my mind to other viewpoints. If one does affect me, I think to myself "wait a minute, why do I care? oh cool this is good, this is something I should work on being more secure in because clearly ______ struck a nerve for me."

I don't know why people are bothering to attack my own viewpoints or things I've personally witnessed in others. Again I think it must go back to striking a nerve in them that they may not realize is a sensitive area for them. If no one truly cared, my comment would just be read and ignored. Its not like I'm writing things without my own experience, reasonings, and factual information behind it.

I'm a sexworker and I never said I don't do all those things too. I never said I actually cared about perceptions of me, but on some level, everyone HAS to care because your personality and looks sell an image to each person you meet, and then society collectively. Its vital to have a good image if you want to make your dreams and goals come true. I know for me, hiding sexwork has given me GREAT benefit that has not happened with other sexworkers who are out about it. And that is me. Do I care what others girls do? No, why would I care? But when so many of them complain to me about the same issues, the very same issues written about every other thread in Life Support, well its obvious why they are having them. Things that make you go hmmmm. But my opinions? Those are mine and no one should really care, and if you do, it must be striking a nerve about a personal issue that person should be addressing within themselves.

Girl no you are not striking a nerve lol you just keep posting and posting about the same stuff. Just write a blog or a book on your opinions on sex work and society and leave it at that. Your thread history is pretty much all about sex work and society and judgements and what men think and whatever else. We are on page 5 of this thread not because you posted one comment and everyone freaked out but because you keep arguing the same things over and over again.

And okay I'll leave this thread now. Sorry miss.a.p I know you're trying to have a thoughtful convo so I'll let you guys get back to it!

red.velvet
02-14-2016, 05:54 PM
So sorry y'all. I keep asking questions - it's just enlightening in a good way. I'll let some other people contribute. :)

I love other people's questions and being challenged by people who are open minded :)

tigershoes
02-14-2016, 06:04 PM
But this thread and your various other threads are full of viewpoints that oppose yours, and far from taking them into consideration, you dig in on your original ideas until the bitter end. Many of us have posted examples that contradict your theory that no good men are interested in sex workers, etc. Doubtless it does hit a nerve with us, because you're saying that our relationships don't/haven't existed or that our partners and other men who have been good to us are actually awful predators. Post after post, people challenge your ideas and you dismiss them each time.

What you say sounds a lot like the "poor sad prostitutes" narrative that slut-shamers use to try to get us to be good girls and stay home. Since you yourself are an escort, your take on it has more to do with the entire world being against us for what we choose to do. I don't think that most sex workers doing this of their own free will wake up every day seeing the worst in everything to do with the industry. It's very difficult to lead a productive life when viewing yourself as a perpetual victim of circumstance. Either you look for the positive things and people that allow you to build a solid life within this job, or else you get out and do something else before burnout. FWIW, this issue is by no means unique to the sex industry and I've seen blanket negativity about other professions soundly rejected, time after time, by those who are trying to make a living with them. Such negativity is rarely the whole truth, it is only part of the experience for most people, and in this case people have posted examples highlighting positive experiences that you claim don't exist at all for sex workers.

red.velvet
02-14-2016, 06:06 PM
^ If I'm asked to elaborate, I do. With examples and factual info :). Again, if no one actually cared, it would be ignored. The opposite of like is indifference, not dislike. Can we drop this now? lol

Dominic.2
02-14-2016, 06:09 PM
So sorry y'all. I keep asking questions - it's just enlightening in a good way. I'll let some other people contribute. :)

This thread also got me thinking, whatever happened to the word "Hooker?" Even as I write it, it looks kind of old-fashioned.

For me, like some of the others here, I form my opinions based on my experiences (among other things). Years ago the women who self-identified as "hookers" were streetwalkers (near hotels near an airport, or near strip clubs, etc.) who tried to put some effort into their appearance, etc., and generally tried to make the best of it. Whereas the couple women I knew who self-identified as "prostitutes" were streetwalkers (near apartment buildings or stores) and were the stereotypical drugged out rough looking women. Mind you this was the 1990s. Hookers were called hookers because they were "hooking." They were hooking men. See below:


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hook
hook | noun
1b. something intended to attract and ensnare
This is a word that sounds almost like something from hustle hut. I'm sort of surprised that some people have a negative reaction to the word (given its derivation), on the other hand, given the passage of time, I'm not surprised that the word has fallen out of favor today.

loveshooks
02-14-2016, 06:31 PM
I never use the word 'prostitute'. Regardless of the dictionary definition, it's commonly used in a context that describes those who eschew a value/moral system in exchange for $$$$$. From what I've seen that label can be applied to vanilla work just as easily.

I like sex worker and sex work. It's clear and names what we do: sex-related work. That's what we all do; dancers, psos, cammers, texters, panty-sellers, sugar and body rub chicas and escorts alike. Without sex our work would not exist. Full stop

Ho is cool too, when coming from another sex worker closely known.

As to 'hooker' or 'street walker', gtfo with that ish. Laden with judgement and refers to class issues without actually naming those issues. To me that's cowardice and obliviousness, and those terms say more about the speakers than they do the targets of the labels. If a sex worker wants to claim those labels then awesome, that is their right. A right not extrapolated to anyone else.

Omegaphallic
02-15-2016, 03:53 PM
This objectification stuff is pure crap. If what men wanted was sexually objectifcation, they'd spend all their money on pussy pockets, fleshlight, blow up dolls, Real Dolls, Etc... and spend nothing on Sex Workers, including their wives.

Even those who buy Real Dolls tend to anthropomorphize them, names, fantasies, etc...

The fact is knowing their is another person there is a part of the appeal of various forms of sex work.

And women engage in the "male gaze" only their gaze tends to ne much wider. Women leer at men, women leer at other women.

Still it can be taboo exciting fun to pretend that your "sexually objectifying" somone, roleplaying it can be thrilling, but its all pretend, because it so horrifies feminists and because its can be way of exploring sexual dominance and submission.

But its still a myth, along with rape culture, pactchary theory, and most other feminist theories.

Omegaphallic
02-15-2016, 03:54 PM
I never use the word 'prostitute'. Regardless of the dictionary definition, it's commonly used in a context that describes those who eschew a value/moral system in exchange for $$$$$. From what I've seen that label can be applied to vanilla work just as easily.

I like sex worker and sex work. It's clear and names what we do: sex-related work. That's what we all do; dancers, psos, cammers, texters, panty-sellers, sugar and body rub chicas and escorts alike. Without sex our work would not exist. Full stop

Ho is cool too, when coming from another sex worker closely known.

As to 'hooker' or 'street walker', gtfo with that ish. Laden with judgement and refers to class issues without actually naming those issues. To me that's cowardice and obliviousness, and those terms say more about the speakers than they do the targets of the labels. If a sex worker wants to claim those labels then awesome, that is their right. A right not extrapolated to anyone else.

That info on hooker was interesting thank you.

Issabelle
02-16-2016, 03:41 PM
But its still a myth, along with rape culture, pactchary theory, and most other feminist theories.

I can tell you've studied these extensively given your impeccable spelling of the subjects involved and are therefore an expert whose words I should take as gospel truth.

And, let me guess, you also believe that evolution is 'just a theory' with mythos propagated by scientists in on the conspiracy since there's no way their truck loads of data could be true? Thought so.

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DonaDiabla
02-16-2016, 03:51 PM
Can you tell us how Patriarchy is just a feminist theory? Patriarchy is just as real as Matriarchy. However, Matriarchy just happens less than Patriarchy. However, I would love where you get your information on this subject?



This objectification stuff is pure crap. If what men wanted was sexually objectifcation, they'd spend all their money on pussy pockets, fleshlight, blow up dolls, Real Dolls, Etc... and spend nothing on Sex Workers, including their wives.

Even those who buy Real Dolls tend to anthropomorphize them, names, fantasies, etc...

The fact is knowing their is another person there is a part of the appeal of various forms of sex work.

And women engage in the "male gaze" only their gaze tends to ne much wider. Women leer at men, women leer at other women.

Still it can be taboo exciting fun to pretend that your "sexually objectifying" somone, roleplaying it can be thrilling, but its all pretend, because it so horrifies feminists and because its can be way of exploring sexual dominance and submission.

But its still a myth, along with rape culture, pactchary theory, and most other feminist theories.

Djoser
02-16-2016, 04:09 PM
Can you tell us how Patriarchy... Aha thanks I wasn't sure what 'pactchary' meant lol.

Djoser
02-16-2016, 04:12 PM
Alright everybody stay cool. I keep getting reports about this thread, but I like the direction Tourdefranzia was heading when she started it, and there is some interesting discussion here. I'd rather not shut it down.

ScarletKitten
02-16-2016, 04:24 PM
But its still a myth, along with rape culture, pactchary theory, and most other feminist theories.

Patriarchy is not a theory. We obviously live in a male-dominated world. 99% of all religion is based around the idea of a male god. We've never had a female president in the U.S. Women presidents and leaders are rare in this world. Most CEO's are men. Most of the wealth in this world is controlled by men. Most laws are written by men. I could go on, but...I don't want to start an argument either.

I'll just say I have my perception, and you have yours.

ScarletKitten
02-16-2016, 09:10 PM
Sorry, DJoser. I'll leave it at that.

I feel like this thread has gone completely off topic. OP asked "Should the word 'prostitute' stay in our vernacular or should we push it out to the more modern 'sex worker' description?"

Maybe the word "prostitute" is outdated. But the word itself doesn't bother me. I prefer the term "sex worker" or "escort". But really, I don't care either way. I try not to get hung up on labels and words. Labels end up dividing us all into categories and stereotypes. Just use whatever word you are comfortable with. I could be called a stripper, dancer, or entertainer, and I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

Sex worker is a fairly new term I believe. I just assumed it means anyone who profits off of someone's sexual desires. But that's the definition in a nutshell. Obviously, a bartender working in a strip club is not a sex worker. Strippers, I suppose, can be called sex workers because they are sexually enticing men in order to get paid. But the line is blurry, because each stripper has her own boundaries and some identify with the term, and others do not. I just let it be. I don't normally refer to myself as a "sex worker", but I work in the sex industry, which includes strip clubs. So by that definition, I am a sex worker. Or was, until I start working at the club again. It just depends on how you look at it and define it in context.

Djoser
02-16-2016, 10:04 PM
You don't have to apologize Scarlet. And this is spot on:


Patriarchy is not a theory. We obviously live in a male-dominated world. 99% of all religion is based around the idea of a male god. We've never had a female president in the U.S. Women presidents and leaders are rare in this world. Most CEO's are men. Most of the wealth in this world is controlled by men. Most laws are written by men. I could go on, but...I don't want to start an argument either.

I'll just say I have my perception, and you have yours.

Except I think a lot of the wealth (not a majority of course but a sizable chunk) in the USA is actually controlled by women--widows of wealthy men, etc.

FreeSpirit
02-17-2016, 07:59 PM
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdfs/Myths%20&%20Facts%20Legal%20&%20Illegal%20Prostitution%203-09.pdf

Since this thread seems to be sugarcoating the game.

miss.a.p1600
02-17-2016, 10:41 PM
It seems to me it's more point of view than fact.

It did have some interesting points related to the topic.

Not all women in adult industry will feel or should feel shame or exploitation however it's not healthy to go into this industry with only rose-colored glasses. There are upsides but there are also real downsides such as physical abuse, rape, drug addictions, sexual harassment, etc that dont occur as often in non sex work type jobs. And it's better to be aware beforehand so as to better understand what a person is getting themselves into and to possibly prevent becoming victim to or succumbing to the downsides.

And I find it interesting the article noted that those who work as prostitutes don't want to be referred as such (at least not publicly) for fear of shame and stigma associated with the word "prostitute".

I wished we lived in a world where people could work responsibly as sex worker/prostitutes and not have to worry about negative connotations, stigmas, unfair arrests, sexual abuse, and all the other downsides.

Tourdefranzia
02-24-2016, 05:18 PM
This objectification stuff is pure crap. If what men wanted was sexually objectifcation, they'd spend all their money on pussy pockets, fleshlight, blow up dolls, Real Dolls, Etc... and spend nothing on Sex Workers, including their wives.

Even those who buy Real Dolls tend to anthropomorphize them, names, fantasies, etc...

The fact is knowing their is another person there is a part of the appeal of various forms of sex work.

And women engage in the "male gaze" only their gaze tends to ne much wider. Women leer at men, women leer at other women.

Still it can be taboo exciting fun to pretend that your "sexually objectifying" somone, roleplaying it can be thrilling, but its all pretend, because it so horrifies feminists and because its can be way of exploring sexual dominance and submission.

But its still a myth, along with rape culture, pactchary theory, and most other feminist theories.44309

Omegaphallic
02-25-2016, 04:51 PM
If your that worried about objectificant search this website for all the times a sex worker has called her clients wallets.

Mansplaining = what a woman says when she can't be bothered to think up an actual rebuttal.

If you disagree with me please come up with an actual ARGUEMENT as to why I'm wrong, instead of hiding behind a cheesy feminist meme. I'm listening.

DonaDiabla
02-25-2016, 08:45 PM
I am sorry but what is your point? I understand that you are one of those Men going their own way types but you just have to keep bring up your lackluster anti-feminist evidence. I just want you to show me where rape culture and patriarchy are myths? However, you never answered my question because you know there is evidence supporting that most societies are rooted in patriarchy.


If your that worried about objectificant search this website for all the times a sex worker has called her clients wallets.

Mansplaining = what a woman says when she can't be bothered to think up an actual rebuttal.

If you disagree with me please come up with an actual ARGUEMENT as to why I'm wrong, instead of hiding behind a cheesy feminist meme. I'm listening.

ScarletKitten
02-25-2016, 11:03 PM
If your that worried about objectificant search this website for all the times a sex worker has called her clients wallets.

Mansplaining = what a woman says when she can't be bothered to think up an actual rebuttal.

If you disagree with me please come up with an actual ARGUEMENT as to why I'm wrong, instead of hiding behind a cheesy feminist meme. I'm listening.

Dude, you can't even spell the word "patriarchy" correctly. I've already stated my piece. Did you even read it?

You can't argue with stupid, folks. There's no point.

So, omegaphallic, go back to your woman-dominated fantasy world that you live in, where rape never happens and women rule the world. LOL

audritwo
02-25-2016, 11:31 PM
He must be on the MGTOW bandwagon? Like, I'm not a fan of feminism, but seriously come on? Are you just trying to start a flame war. This is a heavy female board, you had to of known the response you get will be more pro-feminism. Or you are a complete idiot.



Do you feel oppressed or something? Who fucking cares if someone is objectifying? Boo hoo.



Why did I come back to this thread?

Djoser
02-26-2016, 02:41 AM
Omega you have to chill out. Like she says this is a female oriented forum, and while you might feel you have the right to take a stand, this really isn't the place to do it. I could go back and clean all this up but I'd rather not mess with it and there's some gold mixed in with the silt in the riverbed. Unless someone objects.

Melrose Del Rio
03-07-2016, 06:46 PM
Prostitute by dictionary definition is one who trades sex for money. I don't find it offensive and actually prefer the term as long as its not being used in an offensive manner ie "that cheap prostitute"

Velveteen.Rabbit
03-08-2016, 10:53 AM
I don't mind any of those words honestly. I'm not an escort though so I don't know if that would make a difference. I always used to joke about the word hooker, like as satire because it's such an embarrassing word with embarrassingly untrue and outdated visuals.

Raziel
03-13-2016, 01:37 AM
If your that worried about objectificant search this website for all the times a sex worker has called her clients wallets.

Mansplaining = what a woman says when she can't be bothered to think up an actual rebuttal.

If you disagree with me please come up with an actual ARGUEMENT as to why I'm wrong, instead of hiding behind a cheesy feminist meme. I'm listening.

This isn't the hill to die on. Keep it up and you'll be responding to posts until the stars burn out. Yes, i do disagree with you, and you don't rule me. I don't have to explain sh!t to you.


I think Sex-Worker is the most diplomatic way to say it. But Prostitute isn't necessarily an insult, more of a descriptive term that carries a lot of baggage with it. A thousand years ago 'Whore' was an acceptable term that Sex-Workers actually called themselves (in their respective languages). It was a job description, and only an insult among the blue-blooded nobility. Terms change over time. I prefer to use whatever term doesn't totally offend the human being in the room with me. If you're a nut that wants to get a knife pulled in you, feel free. Knifeless is how i prefer things. A pistol is a serious erection-killer. It doesn't kill you to use polite language.

Taura
03-14-2016, 05:59 AM
I voted Sex Worker because it raises awareness of sex WORK being WORK.

Omegaphallic
03-14-2016, 02:51 PM
This isn't the hill to die on. Keep it up and you'll be responding to posts until the stars burn out. Yes, i do disagree with you, and you don't rule me. I don't have to explain sh!t to you.


I think Sex-Worker is the most diplomatic way to say it. But Prostitute isn't necessarily an insult, more of a descriptive term that carries a lot of baggage with it. A thousand years ago 'Whore' was an acceptable term that Sex-Workers actually called themselves (in their respective languages). It was a job description, and only an insult among the blue-blooded nobility. Terms change over time. I prefer to use whatever term doesn't totally offend the human being in the room with me. If you're a nut that wants to get a knife pulled in you, feel free. Knifeless is how i prefer things. A pistol is a serious erection-killer. It doesn't kill you to use polite language.

If the person I'm with isn't comfortible with the term, I won't use it. In fact I use the term almost exclusively during dirty talk and I test the waters with less shocking dirty talk first, like slave girl, and it only gets dirtier from there.

Raziel
03-14-2016, 03:46 PM
If the person I'm with isn't comfortible with the term, I won't use it. In fact I use the term almost exclusively during dirty talk and I test the waters with less shocking dirty talk first, like slave girl, and it only gets dirtier from there.

There's nothing wrong with bedroom dirty talk, if it's consensual.

lemiwinks31
03-15-2016, 03:19 PM
In fact I use the term almost exclusively during dirty talk and I test the waters with less shocking dirty talk first, like slave girl, and it only gets dirtier from there.

How much farther do you let yourself go. Are you offended when you call yourself slave girl? or does it depend on your mood.

Omegaphallic
03-16-2016, 06:33 PM
Incorrect, there's people from all walks of employment that don't enjoy talking about work.

No offense but your coping mechanism in dealing with the negative discrimination that you have received is to try and make sure that everyone else is suffering from it just as much as you have/are, you seem to really get off on trying to drag everyone else down with you. Good luck with it.

Bingo. I shovel snow. It sucks. It hurts. The hours are horrible and the uncertainty about the weather fucks with a persons mind (which is why most people who take the job quite quit the job after a couple snow storms). Would I want to talk about it all the time, hells no, just posting this gives me flash backs to working in ice storms and 40cm of snow (snow shovellers down east would like call me wimp ;p)

Omegaphallic
03-16-2016, 06:38 PM
How much farther do you let yourself go. Are you offended when you call yourself slave girl? or does it depend on your mood.

LMFAO, no I'm not offended by being called a slavegirl, I certainly have the tits for it (okay fine man boobs).

In seriousness I don't enjoy bottoming, but I don't mind being teased, or called a dirty bastard, a manwhore, Heslut, Pervert, as long as its in good humour and not intended hurtfully.

Actually I'm thinking of trying to take the word Pervert back the way women have taken the word slut back.

luvnrockets
03-17-2016, 05:36 PM
Whore is more shocking than slavegirl? Damn. So not the case for those of us who consider themselves slavegirls.

That's why you ask before using derogatory names.

luvnrockets
03-17-2016, 05:39 PM
There's nothing wrong with bedroom dirty talk, if it's consensual.

And out of bedroom dirty talk, if it's consensual.

Omegaphallic
03-19-2016, 12:54 PM
Whore is more shocking than slavegirl? Damn. So not the case for those of us who consider themselves slavegirls.

That's why you ask before using derogatory names.

I do ask, I don't run through the whole list of possible words, but I do ask if there okay with dirty talk and taboo fantasies, and tell them to tell me if there not okay with anything.

I've even used safety word a few times, Toronado in case a woman I'm with is not okay with a particular fantasy or word. I might do that more often.

I've never seen any of the women I've been with complain about the words, such as slut, whore, ect... and only a couple not want to explore tabooes subjects for dirty talk (and I have no problem if they don't, we can take things in a different direction).

I've even had a few women that out do me in that area (love that its inspiring).

Once I had a woman go too far once...I didn't make it a big deal, but made it clear it was beyond my comfort zone, and we just adjusted things. No biggy, she meant no harm.

Omegaphallic
03-19-2016, 12:58 PM
Whore is more shocking than slavegirl? Damn. So not the case for those of us who consider themselves slavegirls.

That's why you ask before using derogatory names.

In the age of 50 shades of grey yes whore can be more shocking then slavegirl.

Djoser
03-19-2016, 01:09 PM
Sorry had to edit that post. I know it wasn't you but you talking about what the woman said, but we have to be careful.

Omegaphallic
03-19-2016, 06:33 PM
I completely understand, I'm a proud pervert (yes I'm taking that word back), but I even I was turned off by it.

To be fair to her she meant as a joke, I don't think she's like that, and I had encouraged her to fool around with her own (both busty adults) sister on my lap, so that's likely why she felt comfortable going with such a joke, so I have to share the responsiblity for it.

Genoveve
03-19-2016, 06:44 PM
Ah so you have man boobs and you're into incest? The plot thickens.

Omegaphallic
03-20-2016, 08:07 AM
Ah so you have man boobs and you're into incest? The plot thickens.

I do have man boobs and pretty pair at that. Suprising I knew a stripper who seemed to love playing with them, which seemed odd to me as fat man boobs are not something one would think of wanting grope, ripped pecks yes, but fat man boobs they lack the wonderful appeal of women boobs, even as far as I can tell among women.

lemiwinks31
03-21-2016, 02:02 PM
I do have man boobs and pretty pair at that. Suprising I knew a stripper who seemed to love playing with them, which seemed odd to me as fat man boobs are not something one would think of wanting grope, ripped pecks yes, but fat man boobs they lack the wonderful appeal of women boobs, even as far as I can tell among women.


that DOES seem odd. hmmmm....I wonder if there is maybe some other explanation. No, probably not, if she SEEMED to enjoy it, then I'm sure that is what it is.