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SylvySinclair
05-22-2016, 08:05 AM
70% of the brasilians also have passports, i just found out making a reasearch....so, yes, i guess its cultural.
PixiieGirl
05-22-2016, 08:07 AM
I mean the fact theres not many options for ID here and we need to to go out clubbing and stuff probably also helps with the number with passports, I dont really travel much at all but I'd still keep a passport just as back-up ID to my driving license
SuperPookie
05-22-2016, 08:30 AM
I imagine a good portion of the fact is not only is overseas travel cost prohibitive but since America is so much larger we simply have less need to .
hyori
05-22-2016, 09:34 AM
I'm just glad I live in a country that issues passports.
SimoneGray
05-22-2016, 04:01 PM
^^ Samesies...its about $10 USD over here to get your first one, you get it in school when you turn 15 and then you have to renew every 10 years for about the same price. Its the renewal that's killer though haha because that one you wait for.
I'm trying to move house at the moment so I doubt I will be passport ready by the time your site officially launches, but hopefully after that I'll be able to join. Unless you accept Government ID's. Most cam sites do so you may want to look into that.
foxxxydiva
05-22-2016, 05:16 PM
I signed up last week, but this beezie has no passport booo. Even if the funds were blessing to get one right now, it takes like 6-8 weeks processing in the slow season, even longer during peak travel times ie NOW. I look forward to the updates. I'm optimistic though, the stars will align, gov't ID will be accepted, ACH will be an option, traffic will be amazing and we are going to queef rainbow clouds on cam @75% payouts BOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
EdithOutlier
05-23-2016, 01:17 AM
Here in Australia ID is hard to fake, so everyone uses their Driver's License or Proof of Age ID card, which MFC had no trouble accepting. Even the people I know who have passports never use them for ID, only for travel. It sounds like a bit cross-cultural confusion, if people in the UK are used to using their passports for ID it would seem totally normal to have that as the accepted ID on a UK site, but I'm not interested in getting a passport just to cam on one site. It's expensive, a bit of a hassle (sounds easier over there?) and takes time to come through.
PixiieGirl
05-23-2016, 01:45 AM
^^ Samesies...its about $10 USD over here to get your first one, you get it in school when you turn 15 and then you have to renew every 10 years for about the same price. Its the renewal that's killer though haha because that one you wait for.
I'm trying to move house at the moment so I doubt I will be passport ready by the time your site officially launches, but hopefully after that I'll be able to join. Unless you accept Government ID's. Most cam sites do so you may want to look into that.
thats amazing! it cost me like £80 to renew mine a couple of years back
DeepThoughts
05-23-2016, 02:59 AM
So weird that some people dont have passports. I have had one my entire life! When its starts to run out Im applying for a new one. I also have government issued ID for Canada and Italy but I never use them except when its the only acceptable form of ID like showing my drivers licence when pulled over or my health card at the hospital. I only just discovered that I can get a Canadian passport for 10years. I always got the 5 year one because they never told me that 10 years was an option.
I am thinking I will sign up for the site. I am skeptical that you can run a good quality site and bring in traffic with 75% payout to the models and still make a decent profit. Perhaps I am just used to seeing much lower payout options but also I have been running in this industry a long time and I feel like just the cost of paying servers, payment processors, affiliates, marketing, site maintenance and covering charge backs will easily eat up the 25% you keep. I could see it if you dont intend to bring traffic to the site and this is just another site where I sign up and bring my own traffic so I can make a bigger cut but maybe you know something I do not.
I still am cheering for you! Any new site can be the next big thing and there is no reason that wont be you. Also I know that they is a growing market of paying clients who are not satisfied with how much their favorite models make after percent cuts who would be delighted to switch sites if they knew more of their $$ was making it to the models.
One question because you will be paying out in pound sterling Im guessing you are operating from the UK. How do you intend to keep your site from being blocked by UK ISPs and comply with the no nudity policy in free chat? Is the site leaving it up to the individual performers to follow the rules or have you designed the site to only allow for paid chat?
sexysusie
05-23-2016, 04:47 AM
So weird that some people dont have passports. I have had one my entire life! When its starts to run out Im applying for a new one. I also have government issued ID for Canada and Italy but I never use them except when its the only acceptable form of ID like showing my drivers licence when pulled over or my health card at the hospital. I only just discovered that I can get a Canadian passport for 10years. I always got the 5 year one because they never told me that 10 years was an option.
I am thinking I will sign up for the site. I am skeptical that you can run a good quality site and bring in traffic with 75% payout to the models and still make a decent profit. Perhaps I am just used to seeing much lower payout options but also I have been running in this industry a long time and I feel like just the cost of paying servers, payment processors, affiliates, marketing, site maintenance and covering charge backs will easily eat up the 25% you keep. I could see it if you dont intend to bring traffic to the site and this is just another site where I sign up and bring my own traffic so I can make a bigger cut but maybe you know something I do not.
I still am cheering for you! Any new site can be the next big thing and there is no reason that wont be you. Also I know that they is a growing market of paying clients who are not satisfied with how much their favorite models make after percent cuts who would be delighted to switch sites if they knew more of their $$ was making it to the models.
One question because you will be paying out in pound sterling Im guessing you are operating from the UK. How do you intend to keep your site from being blocked by UK ISPs and comply with the no nudity policy in free chat? Is the site leaving it up to the individual performers to follow the rules or have you designed the site to only allow for paid chat?
AW does it very well (albeit slightly lower %)
RebeccaT
05-23-2016, 07:13 AM
I'm keeping an eye on this :)
Well, I was keeping an eye on this as I'm pretty much totally independent now but a new site would be nice. Having had cancer, travel insurance is a crazy price so I don't travel any more and have no intention of renewing my passport. I use my drivers' licence when asked for ID.
LadyCoco
05-23-2016, 08:20 AM
I wouldn't want to waste money on getting a plastic passport to find out that AW and this site doesn't even accept that. It all sounds like such a hassle.
DeepThoughts
05-24-2016, 04:42 AM
AW does it very well (albeit slightly lower %)
This just further proves that at that % profit its pretty much impossible to make it work. Also, unlike so many of the performers here, I do not disapprove of a site taking a cut. That is standard business procedure for any company
With camming we get to see the gross $$ but not the cost of overhead which leads some of you to believe the site are ripping us off or stealing from us but that is just ignorance. I would support a camgirl run camsites but I think the mistake so many of them make is that they want to come in like Captain save a ho's and give us a bigger cut but they end up shooting themselves in the foot for it because there is no profit in it for them! I just would like to see this site get going but I question if she isnt being a little overzealous at 75% payout.
sexysusie
05-24-2016, 06:43 AM
If the indie sites can do it I have faith others can too. It's time the sites taking 50%+ of OUR income learned who really runs this industry. SM no longer has the excuse of having enough traffic to excuse the outrageously high cut they take, and none of the other low payout sites ever had it in the first place. A mix of high % sites and indie is where the future is at :)
hyori
05-24-2016, 07:50 AM
I could see it working if the traditional webmaster programs turn into webmaster/model programs where being a savvy model is rewarded in some way. Right now, white label promotion and brand building seems to work well but so many models don't know how to do this sort of marketing. If RedHotCamPlay builds some sort of affiliate program where all the traditional webmaster affiliate marketing percentages go towards building the site traffic and the model percentage then it would be the most innovative cam site out there that is truly and completely model run.
In other words, cut out the webmaster and reward that percentage to affiliate marketing savvy models. Wouldn't that be a kick to the balls of all the GFY ashholes. God, I can't wait for the day when webmasters are extinct.
Susperia
05-24-2016, 02:41 PM
I just signed up too, looking forward to when the site launches.
MissAdriana
05-24-2016, 02:52 PM
I only just discovered that I can get a Canadian passport for 10years. I always got the 5 year one because they never told me that 10 years was an option.
10 years is just a new thing, in the past couple years. I think it's $160? Way better. But I still won't get it until I can actually afford to travel somewhere LOL. Definitely not getting it so I can WORK, lmao esp for a NEW fucking camsite idek if I will make the $ back quickly. Fuck that
How about the VAT? Will VAT be added to our fees member pay and then taken off our earnings too?
A cam model friend mentioned this to me about AW and the VAT they introduced a while back.
10 years is just a new thing, in the past couple years. I think it's $160? Way better. But I still won't get it until I can actually afford to travel somewhere LOL. Definitely not getting it so I can WORK, lmao esp for a NEW fucking camsite idek if I will make the $ back quickly. Fuck that
Yes, here people only get passports when they wanna travel outside European Union otherwise is not used to prove identity cause in my country u need to prove identity AND address which is written on the national ID, at age 14 we required to get a national ID then renew it at age 18 and from then on every 10 years.
Driver licenses also have the address on it while passports do not have. I hope other ID's will be accepted on site than just passport, all the other sites except AW accept different forms of ID's, AW is just crazy & weird lol but they are not only a cam site but escorting site mainly so maybe that's why they soo anal about having a passport? Or they just incompetent to verify other ID's that a passport LOL.
sexysusie
05-24-2016, 09:40 PM
How about the VAT? Will VAT be added to our fees member pay and then taken off our earnings too?
A cam model friend mentioned this to me about AW and the VAT they introduced a while back.
EU VAT is not applicable to live services, only videos and pictures (although that is debatable as regulations state there must be NO human/live intervention - AW took the easy road!)
As a professional cam model YOU do not pay VAT on the fee they take to payout as it is a business to business transaction. Whether the site will accept proof of your professional status in a form other than a registered VAT number is up to them, but it would be highly unfair if they did not since this is unfair discrimination against UK sole traders who don't have to register unless they earn over a certain amount.
Full info is in my previous posts.
EU VAT is not applicable to live services, only videos and pictures (although that is debatable as regulations state there must be NO human/live intervention - AW took the easy road!)
As a professional cam model YOU do not pay VAT on the fee they take to payout as it is a business to business transaction. Whether the site will accept proof of your professional status in a form other than a registered VAT number is up to them, but it would be highly unfair if they did not since this is unfair discrimination against UK sole traders who don't have to register unless they earn over a certain amount.
Full info is in my previous posts.
Ty for answering Susie, these guys at AW are totally weird, i hope this new site will do things different regarding all the things mentioned here in this thread. xx
sweetandnaughty
05-25-2016, 08:23 AM
I need to renew my passport anyways so this is a good incentive. Can't wait to see the site and how it works. I signed up.
PixiieGirl
05-25-2016, 08:43 AM
Yes, here people only get passports when they wanna travel outside European Union otherwise is not used to prove identity cause in my country u need to prove identity AND address which is written on the national ID, at age 14 we required to get a national ID then renew it at age 18 and from then on every 10 years.
Driver licenses also have the address on it while passports do not have. I hope other ID's will be accepted on site than just passport, all the other sites except AW accept different forms of ID's, AW is just crazy & weird lol but they are not only a cam site but escorting site mainly so maybe that's why they soo anal about having a passport? Or they just incompetent to verify other ID's that a passport LOL.
I'm assuming it's cause AW is UK based, as is this new site - laws might just be stricter here
Glamourmilf
05-25-2016, 10:12 AM
Regarding the passport for verification...I don't have one, or plan on getting one.
Wouldn't proof that I've been on camsites for over 6 years be proof?
That and a current driver's license, and birth certificate?
Magical_Hoohah
05-25-2016, 10:51 AM
I'm not sure that it's fair to give this (or any) site grief for requiring a passport. I know we're very used to the global economy, but if you need a passport to simply set foot in another country, it seems reasonable that you might need one in order to work for a foreign company. Every country has different laws about work requirements, and that isn't the fault of companies located in those countries.
I expect that the ATVOD/Queen's Speech threads are mostly read by the UK ladies, but if you've checked them out recently, the UK government is going absolutely nuts about porn restrictions/regulation (compared to the rest of the western world, I mean). The passport requirement for AW and RedHot may turn out to be government mandated. All sorts of porn rules are up in the air for them right now, so it's reasonable for the sites to choose to be safe rather than sorry. It would also suck if they allowed verification with driver's licence now, but 9 months down the road the UK rules changed, and they had to kick out a bunch of established performers that can't provide a passport.
Also, it's bad for all cammers if a site gets sanctioned or shut down by their government for this sort of thing. If it happened, news sources probably wouldn't discuss the nuance of government ID vs passport - they'd just talk about how the site was shut down for failure to adequately verify that performers were adults. We all know how distorted things can get on the internet, and sooner or later, some anti-sex-work crusader would pick up the story and claim it as proof that cam sites are cesspools of trafficked minors, and that kind of bad press hurts everyone in the industry. Seriously, our save-a-ho custies are nothing compared to negatively biased save-a-ho organizations that want to convince people that taking away our income makes us safer.
Any news regarding the ID's required for verification? Just want to be prepared and know my options, pls update us here Hannah ty xx
seicento
05-28-2016, 09:53 AM
I can't wait for the site to be up and running and I hope for good traffic.
I also hope that you will offer payoneer, payment transfer at 50$ and no more than two weeks hold for payment ( already tired of the SM's three weeks hold).
And a pay for positioning thing like we have on AW would be great.
Oh, and the ability for members to rate and leave comments only if they have spent at least 5 minutes in pvt. :)
HannahBrooks
05-28-2016, 10:33 PM
Any news regarding the ID's required for verification? Just want to be prepared and know my options, pls update us here Hannah ty xx
Sorry for the delay in replying its been a busy week. I am currently in talks with a company who provide age verification to most of the top gambling websites and will be able to offer us the software we need to get over the issues of ID cards from around the world. We should be finalising the details next week then we need time for the designers to integrate it to the website so it might cause a small delay in the launch but it will be worth the wait.
Regards
Hannah
HannahBrooks
05-28-2016, 10:37 PM
I can't wait for the site to be up and running and I hope for good traffic.
I also hope that you will offer payoneer, payment transfer at 50$ and no more than two weeks hold for payment ( already tired of the SM's three weeks hold).
And a pay for positioning thing like we have on AW would be great.
Oh, and the ability for members to rate and leave comments only if they have spent at least 5 minutes in pvt. :)
I am waiting for Payoneer to get back to me but it will be an option even if its a few weeks after we launch. Payments to bank accounts should be quicker than 2 weeks but as for payments to payoneer timescale i am not sure until i get the details from them. We do have a positioning feature to get yourself higher up on the page and also front page featuring but at a lot more realistic price. Member feedback is not yet added but once the site is up and running it is high on our list.
Regards
Hannah
heyho
05-28-2016, 11:52 PM
^^Yaaay! The thing with SM we hate is that they hold on to our money for 3 weeks for no reason before even depositing it to Payoneer. Once Payoneer gets it, we get it within a few days, no worries there. So can we assume it's a 1 week or less hold? WOOOHOOOOO
Also positioning features sound promising, I always felt it was kind of boring for SM to always have the same bunch of models on the front page, especially for guys who visit the site daily. Mixing it up a little to introduce customers to niche or newer models will keep things interesting. I'm getting super excited to cam on Red Hot. :D
Thank u for the updates Hannah, they are all great news, i think a lot of us models are waiting for ur site to launch so we can leave some sites or add another good egg, i am positive the site will get popular and will have good paying traffic.
A new pvt based site is really needed, many of us are not happy with token sites or the existing pvt based sites.
Cant wait xxx
SuperPookie
05-29-2016, 12:51 PM
Yeah! I'm so glad that you're really looking into other forms of I.d. Idk, about bidding for placement though. I'm not that familiar with it except for on CMD where I saw the 10th place at $50 once ...no lol.
Companion57
05-30-2016, 02:01 PM
Ok, I'm intrigued now! How do you plan on promoting the site?
SuperPookie
06-12-2016, 11:16 AM
Any word on this yet?
^^^ No kidding i am waiting on this site to launch and i pray i can sign up & the site will make me money, yes pls update us xx
sexysusie
06-12-2016, 02:21 PM
We've just got our promo clothing :D The site is nearly ready woo x
velvetkisses
06-12-2016, 03:09 PM
Oh my! Will be getting on this tomorrow! Amazing Ladies!!
KPTfiend
06-12-2016, 04:42 PM
So is this a thing yet? Worth signing up now or should wait?
KPTfiend
06-12-2016, 05:00 PM
Okay so I "signed up" - but after verifying email it just sent me to a "welcome yadda yadda page" but no further steps? Information? Age verification? What am I looking for? I see no where else to click....
Tsani
06-12-2016, 05:47 PM
Okay so I "signed up" - but after verifying email it just sent me to a "welcome yadda yadda page" but no further steps? Information? Age verification? What am I looking for? I see no where else to click....
As far as I know, the site isn't live yet so you can't sign up yet, you can only subscribe to the email list so they can let you know when you can complete signup.
Sally Says
06-13-2016, 06:02 AM
yup, this is correct ^^^^
LolaLu
06-13-2016, 12:02 PM
Thanks, i know it sucks as a company to take the hit but it is awesome for us models to not have to worry about that stress, thank you so much. I am really hoping that this site will be a hit. With hard work and dedication from us all im sure it can and will be successful especially when the models are happy and the site takes care of us and appreciates our hard work. Thank you again. :)
Hannah is a work horse and amazing at what she has achieved. A real inspiration to camgirls that 'know' her. I have no doubt it will be very successful and I can't wait to get camming on there
LolaLu
06-13-2016, 12:13 PM
Hannah, will you be offering groups as an option on Red Hot?
sexysusie
06-13-2016, 02:09 PM
Why would you want groups? X
avalon_rose
06-13-2016, 02:16 PM
Are we talking about groups as in group/party paid chats? Or ... something else?
LolaLu
06-16-2016, 06:20 AM
Why would you want groups? X
Because I have a group on AW and if I can offer them the opportunity of working on a different site then I will x
Magical_Hoohah
07-05-2016, 12:04 PM
:bump: Any news?
Sally Says
07-06-2016, 06:39 AM
looks like its going to happen soon, i keep checking Twitter in excitement
SimoneGray
07-06-2016, 09:33 AM
I have a passport now, do I have to wait for the site to launch to sign up or can I just go directly? Also who do we have to follow on Twitter to check for updates etc?
sexysusie
07-06-2016, 12:44 PM
@redhotcamplay x