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SFHS
03-25-2019, 05:54 PM
I know today was the day for fixing listings but all my Taboo clips are in draft mode. In the e-mail that was sent out there was no mention of Taboo clips being phased out so what's going on?

PrincessMika
03-25-2019, 05:55 PM
All my clip's statuses are listed as being in draft. Anyone else having this problem?

Hi SFHS,

All Artists were sent a 2-week notice regarding Visa/MasterCard compliance. Basically, it says that some content and content categories are going into draft so Artists can ensure those clips are following the rules. Only if they follow the rules can they be re-published.

I hope this helps :)

PrincessMika
03-25-2019, 06:00 PM
I know today was the day for fixing listings but all my Taboo clips are in draft mode. In the e-mail that was sent out there was no mention of Taboo clips being phased out so what's going on?

Hi again SFHS,

I apologize for the confusion.

To clarify, yes, taboo later made it onto the category list to put into draft status, as directed by Visa/MasterCard compliance. In the notice that was sent out, the following phrase was used in anticipation of other individual content and/or categories not being originally planned on, as iWC did want to plan on giving Artists as much notice as possible for this occurring:

"Other key categories and/or clips, that may be in violation of our Terms of Use, will also be placed into draft mode on March 25, 2019."

Taboo is a category that can certainly be a challenge to work with, in regards to Visa/MasterCard rules, especially for fantasy incest and/or age regression fantasy. So, taboo is on the draft status list so Artists have the opportunity to ensure all rules are being followed before re-publishing.

SFHS
03-25-2019, 06:06 PM
Hi again SFHS,

I apologize for the confusion.

To clarify, yes, taboo later made it onto the category list to put into draft status, as directed by Visa/MasterCard compliance. In the notice that was sent out, the following phrase was used in anticipation of other individual content and/or categories not being originally planned on, as iWC did want to plan on giving Artists as much notice as possible for this occurring:

"Other key categories and/or clips, that may be in violation of our Terms of Use, will also be placed into draft mode on March 25, 2019."

Taboo is a category that can certainly be a challenge to work with, in regards to Visa/MasterCard rules, especially for fantasy incest and/or age regression fantasy. So, taboo is on the draft status list so Artists have the opportunity to ensure all rules are being followed before re-publishing.

Honestly I think you guys are being ridiculous (as long as the clips is not saying or implying that participants are underage then all should be good) but it just gives the other clip sites about 130 exclusive clips of mine.

PrincessMika
03-25-2019, 06:11 PM
Honestly I think you guys are being ridiculous (as long as the clips is not saying or implying that participants are underage then all should be good) but it just gives the other clip sites about 130 exclusive clips of mine.

Hi SFHS,

Thank you for your feedback.

We agree that it can be frustrating and, while it can seem ridiculous to go as far as drafting some content, please understand that this decision was made to stay ahead of Visa/MasterCard compliance as well as to ensure the safety of all Artists using the platform.

In regards to Taboo, and even more specifically Age Regression, you brought up an excellent point of ensuring that it's clear all performers are 18+. Unfortunately, there is likely content where this isn't clear, which contributes to the decision of drafting, so Artists have the opportunity to make appropriate modifications.

Thank you again for your feedback and understanding. I am here to help any time :)

SuperPookie
03-25-2019, 09:09 PM
I do not understand why it is necessary for iWantClips to take these steps to remain Visa compliant and it isn't for say ManyVids or Clips4Sale.
I logged into iWantClips to find a chunk of my clips now in draft and a ton more with so much banned words that the titles & in some cases the plot didn't even make sense anymore.
I really don't think this is going to turn out to be a great business move.

Iris Keenkade
03-25-2019, 09:22 PM
The word "imagine" is banned now, which is very frustrating. Yes I double checked the spelling to make sure "age" wasn't being banned and I typo'd it.

SFHS
03-25-2019, 09:41 PM
I do not understand why it is necessary for iWantClips to take these steps to remain Visa compliant and it isn't for say ManyVids or Clips4Sale.
I logged into iWantClips to find a chunk of my clips now in draft and a ton more with so much banned words that the titles & in some cases the plot didn't even make sense anymore.
I really don't think this is going to turn out to be a great business move.

I don't think it's a great business move either. A third of my content is no longer allowed on the site. It sucks because every year I was doing better on this site and last month was my best month so far but I don't see anymore growth happening now. I was putting links to IWantClips in my advertising but just removed them all because why send possible customers to a site that doesn't host all my content? I think the only people who will like this decision will be the owners of Clips4Sale, ManyVids, and KinkBomb.

CatBBW
03-25-2019, 11:23 PM
"about" is now a banned word (but ONLY in description, not title) due to the terribly graphic "abo" at the beginning of the word...! What an earth is "abo"??! How do I get round this censor when the description says "let me tell you all about..." etc??

"i jiggle and jump banned wordut" ... "i just banned wordut manage to drop"

And where's all my capitalisation gone in the re-drafted items??

CatBBW
03-25-2019, 11:26 PM
And you can say "piss" and "wee" but not "pee".

fetishqueen
03-26-2019, 01:25 AM
I was just coming to say that the 'abo' in about is now coming up as banned word? What does 'abo' even mean, it's not on the list of banned words! Many of my descriptions look silly now.

The taboo bit I already knew about only because I emailed IWC before the 25th. No it doesn't say on the list or email though. It is annoying because literally a month ago I contacted them to see if I could add my taboo clips and they gave me guidelines to make sure they were within the rules. Now they are not so I've had to close that new store.

And a lot of my clip descriptions have had every letter changed to lowercase which looks amateur. Not all but most.

This needs a lot of sorting out!

PrincessMika
03-26-2019, 05:24 AM
I do not understand why it is necessary for iWantClips to take these steps to remain Visa compliant and it isn't for say ManyVids or Clips4Sale.
I logged into iWantClips to find a chunk of my clips now in draft and a ton more with so much banned words that the titles & in some cases the plot didn't even make sense anymore.
I really don't think this is going to turn out to be a great business move.



I don't think it's a great business move either. A third of my content is no longer allowed on the site. It sucks because every year I was doing better on this site and last month was my best month so far but I don't see anymore growth happening now. I was putting links to IWantClips in my advertising but just removed them all because why send possible customers to a site that doesn't host all my content? I think the only people who will like this decision will be the owners of Clips4Sale, ManyVids, and KinkBomb.


Hi SuperPookie and SFHS,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.

To explain, iWantClips has chosen to take a pro-active, cautionary stance in relation to Visa/MasterCard rules.

This is due for the protection of all Artists that are on the platform.

I don't want to cause a panic, but I feel an explanation is perhaps necessary to explain further:

For example, in the event of a real audit, there is a risk of disruption of service. Needless to say, this would be detrimental for incomes of tens of thousands of Artists (and us) that use iWantClips.

Additionally, it's important to note that, as Artists, we are responsible for the content we upload to iWantClips. So, in the event content isn't meeting certain Laws, such as Obscenity Laws, it's a real possibility that the Artist that has uploaded the inappropriate content may be in criminal violation.

All of the action we're taking on our end is to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone in our community. We want all artists on iWantClips to not only be safe from legal prosecution, but know that they're safe, because we've insisted that the content be compliant.



The word "imagine" is banned now, which is very frustrating. Yes I double checked the spelling to make sure "age" wasn't being banned and I typo'd it.

Hi Iris Keenkade,

Thank you for letting me know. It seems "Imagine" is getting caught up because the word "gin". I will make a note of this for the team to fix this.



"about" is now a banned word (but ONLY in description, not title) due to the terribly graphic "abo" at the beginning of the word...! What an earth is "abo"??! How do I get round this censor when the description says "let me tell you all about..." etc??

"i jiggle and jump banned wordut" ... "i just banned wordut manage to drop"

And where's all my capitalisation gone in the re-drafted items??


I was just coming to say that the 'abo' in about is now coming up as banned word? What does 'abo' even mean, it's not on the list of banned words! Many of my descriptions look silly now.

The taboo bit I already knew about only because I emailed IWC before the 25th. No it doesn't say on the list or email though. It is annoying because literally a month ago I contacted them to see if I could add my taboo clips and they gave me guidelines to make sure they were within the rules. Now they are not so I've had to close that new store.

And a lot of my clip descriptions have had every letter changed to lowercase which looks amateur. Not all but most.

This needs a lot of sorting out!

Hi CatBBW and FetishQueen,

Thank you for letting me know. The word "About" should be working now. It seemed to be an early kink that was ironed out.

To explain, "Abo" is actually an offensive Ethnic Slur and all such slurs must be banned to be compliant with Visa/MasterCard rules.

Additionally, "Taboo" should still be allowed so I will make a note of this to the team to look into and fix.

I will also inquire as to the lowercase-ing of clip descriptions. This seems to occur if a "BANNED WORD" was within the description.



And you can say "piss" and "wee" but not "pee".

Thank you for letting me know. Certainly, "piss" should not be showing. I will be sure to get this noted to the team.


Thank you so much, everyone! I appreciate all of your feedback and look forward to working together with you to get this corrected.

fetishqueen
03-26-2019, 06:30 AM
Hi Mika, the 'abo' issue is still happening but I'll give it a while to get fixed. I never knew it meant anything offensive!

Regarding taboo, I have an email from IWC from last week saying that unless the word 'step' is used in both the clip and the description it won't be allowed, no matter how much the word 'fantasy' is used. Previously the content was allowed as long as it was made clear the clip was a fantasy (mom and son). I have made that store inactive rather than delete the clips just in case it's ok in the future. I guess anyone doing 'step' taboo clips is erring on the side of caution anyway but mine are a little more naughty!

PrincessMika
03-26-2019, 06:33 AM
Hi Mika, the 'abo' issue is still happening but I'll give it a while to get fixed. I never knew it meant anything offensive!

Regarding taboo, I have an email from IWC from last week saying that unless the word 'step' is used in both the clip and the description it won't be allowed, no matter how much the word 'fantasy' is used. Previously the content was allowed as long as it was made clear the clip was a fantasy (mom and son). I have made that store inactive rather than delete the clips just in case it's ok in the future. I guess anyone doing 'step' taboo clips is erring on the side of caution anyway but mine are a little more naughty!

Thank you for letting me know. I'll be sure to note to the team that some Artists are still having issues with "about".

To clarify, "Taboo" the word is okay to be used, which is what I meant in my previous post. "Taboo" the category does have certain rules that must be followed. For Incest Fantasy within Taboo, yes, the content needs to be clear that it is between step relations.

Thank you, again! We'll get all of this fixed, soon! :)

SFHS
03-27-2019, 11:05 AM
So I go in and I add "Step" (because that obviously what you want us to do) to one of my many listings that are currently in draft mode. I then submit it and still hours later it's in draft mode. Every instance of any word that should have "step" in front of it has it and there are no banned word anywhere in the listing. Let us know when everything is actually working the way it's suppose to.

PrincessMika
03-27-2019, 01:12 PM
So I go in and I add "Step" (because that obviously what you want us to do) to one of my many listings that are currently in draft mode. I then submit it and still hours later it's in draft mode. Every instance of any word that should have "step" in front of it has it and there are no banned word anywhere in the listing. Let us know when everything is actually working the way it's suppose to.

Hi SFHS,

The system should let you re-publish whenever you're ready to.

Did you ensure that you're hitting "No" under "Save as Draft"? I believe it is defaulted to "Yes", so that may just solve it. Fingers crossed!

Thank you so much :)

SFHS
03-27-2019, 04:10 PM
Hi SFHS,

The system should let you re-publish whenever you're ready to.

Did you ensure that you're hitting "No" under "Save as Draft"? I believe it is defaulted to "Yes", so that may just solve it. Fingers crossed!

Thank you so much :)

That worked, thank you. I have another problem, you guys have "Groping" as a keyword but if I type the word "Groping" in my title or description it comes up as a banned word. Which one is it? Is "Groping" a banned word or is that a mistake?

CatBBW
03-27-2019, 04:25 PM
Hi Mika, the 'abo' issue is still happening but I'll give it a while to get fixed. I never knew it meant anything offensive!



Ditto! I can't even find anything about it when I google! But thanks PrincessMika for clarifying why "abo" isn't allowed on IWC and I hope the "about" problem is fixed soon :)

PrincessMika
03-27-2019, 05:00 PM
That worked, thank you. I have another problem, you guys have "Groping" as a keyword but if I type the word "Groping" in my title or description it comes up as a banned word. Which one is it? Is "Groping" a banned word or is that a mistake?

Hi SFHS,

I'm so happy to hear that fixed it for you! Yes! :)

Good catch on "Groping", thank you! Groping has now been removed as a keyword.

Thank you so much, again!



Ditto! I can't even find anything about it when I google! But thanks PrincessMika for clarifying why "abo" isn't allowed on IWC and I hope the "about" problem is fixed soon :)

Hi CatBBW,

I hear you. It seems to not be super common but here is what I was able to find on Wiki, in case you were curious:


Abo/Abbo
(AUS) Australian Aboriginal person. Originally, this was simply an informal term for Aborigine, and was in fact used by Aboriginal people themselves until it started to be considered offensive in the 1950s. In more remote areas, Aboriginal people still often refer to themselves (quite neutrally) as Blackfellas (and whites as Whitefellas). Although Abo is still considered quite offensive by many, the pejorative boong is now more commonly used when the intent is deliberately to offend, as that word's status as an insult is unequivocal.


As far as the "about" issue, I'm pleased to say that this should already be fixed! :)

Please let me know if you continue to have issues with it.

Thank you so much!

SFHS
04-05-2019, 08:27 AM
I see the 18 & 19 Year Old category has been removed. What a joke this store has become.

EDIT: It's been removed from keywords but is still a category but since I brought it up here it will probably now be removed.

PrincessMika
04-05-2019, 04:42 PM
I see the 18 & 19 Year Old category has been removed. What a joke this store has become.

EDIT: It's been removed from keywords but is still a category but since I brought it up here it will probably now be removed.

Hi SFHS,

Yes, the "18 & 19 Year Old" keyword has been removed, but the Category will remain in-tact at this time.

The keyword being removed was done for the protection of Artists on the platform, as a precaution against Obscenity Laws. What this means is that Artists that are not 18 or 19 years old at the time the content was created, are at risk for violating this law. The law makes it so that any Performer over 20 pretending to be 18 or 19 is in violation of this law. iWC has noticed this tag was being miss-used in this way so it was removed for Artist protection.

I hope this helps clarify this issue, as we unfortunately had to make a judgement call. Our decision reflects one of our top priorities, which is Artist protection.

Thank you for allowing me to explain :) Happy Friday!

SFHS
04-05-2019, 04:59 PM
Hi SFHS,

Yes, the "18 & 19 Year Old" keyword has been removed, but the Category will remain in-tact at this time.

The keyword being removed was done for the protection of Artists on the platform, as a precaution against Obscenity Laws. What this means is that Artists that are not 18 or 19 years old at the time the content was created, are at risk for violating this law. The law makes it so that any Performer over 20 pretending to be 18 or 19 is in violation of this law. iWC has noticed this tag was being miss-used in this way so it was removed for Artist protection.

I hope this helps clarify this issue, as we unfortunately had to make a judgement call. Our decision reflects one of our top priorities, which is Artist protection.

Thank you for allowing me to explain :) Happy Friday!

So what you're saying is that it's LEGAL to use the "18 & 19 Year Old" category if you're 18 or 19 BUT if you're 20 or over and you say that you're 18 and 19 and use the "18 & 19 Year Old" category then that is ILLEGAL and a violation of obscenity laws? Please tell me that's NOT what you're saying because that explanation is a one way trip on the short bus to crazy town. 18 is considered legal age everywhere and if people are pretending to be 18 I don't see how in any way, shape, or form how that is a violation of obscenity and I would like to see actual proof of that or I want a toxicology report of the lawyer you're using because he must be high a F**k!

PrincessMika
04-05-2019, 05:27 PM
So what you're saying is that it's LEGAL to use the "18 & 19 Year Old" category if you're 18 or 19 BUT if you're 20 or over and you say that you're 18 and 19 and use the "18 & 19 Year Old" category then that is ILLEGAL and a violation of obscenity laws? Please tell me that's NOT what you're saying because that explanation is a one way trip on the short bus to crazy town. 18 is considered legal age everywhere and if people are pretending to be 18 I don't see how in any way, shape, or form how that is a violation of obscenity and I would like to see actual proof of that or I want a toxicology report of the lawyer you're using because he must be high a F**k!

Believe me, I was pretty shocked myself when I found out about this. This is what I've been told from management who has double and triple checked this information with Legal. I don't have any proof to give you on behalf of iWC at this time, but I do encourage you to do your own research into Obscenity Law.

As for iWC, they are choosing to take a cautionary stance with this and would rather be safe than sorry. So, please understand that any changes taking place on iWC is a result of Visa/MasterCard and/or laws to keep Artists safe.

Thank you so much :)

SuperPookie
04-05-2019, 05:38 PM
Idk about that one. There's ladies on camsites who just turned 18 for like the last 10 year's lol

PrincessMika
04-05-2019, 05:47 PM
Idk about that one. There's ladies on camsites who just turned 18 for like the last 10 year's lol


Hmm. I can't speak on behalf of other sites and I'm certainly not a lawyer. But, from what I understand, most sites state that we, as Models, are the one responsible for what we're streaming and/or uploading to any platform we work on. So, in the event any kind of audit happens and infringing and/or unlawful content is found, there's a good chance the site may not be responsible, depending on what is found. Instead, it is the model that is likely to have responsibility in most cases.

It is for this reason that many sites have no reason to actually enforce these types of rules when it is not their vulnerability or risk on the line. This is one thing I personally feel that makes iWC different from many other sites in that we are actively taking time to learn and understand rules and work together with Artists in such a way to more ensure their protection. So, even though some of these changes may seem ridiculous and cause frustration, it's more important for iWC to uphold their value of doing everything possible to keep Artists safe.

Thank you so much, everyone :)

SFHS
04-05-2019, 05:51 PM
Believe me, I was pretty shocked myself when I found out about this. This is what I've been told from management who has double and triple checked this information with Legal. I don't have any proof to give you on behalf of iWC at this time, but I do encourage you to do your own research into Obscenity Law.

As for iWC, they are choosing to take a cautionary stance with this and would rather be safe than sorry. So, please understand that any changes taking place on iWC is a result of Visa/MasterCard and/or laws to keep Artists safe.

Thank you so much :)

I got this from Justice Department website on what can constitute a violation of the obscenity law:

1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion);
2. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and
3. Whether a reasonable person finds that the matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Based on the criteria listed above any clip on the site can be labeled obscene so why not just delete everything? Better to be safe then sorry.

Honestly, it's your guy's website and you can run it anyway you want. I honestly feel you're running it into the ground but it's your choice to do so. I use to promote you guys to people buying my content even after you got rid of the 70% pay out. You guys getting rid of the 70% payout took away your edge over the other clip sites but at least you were on a level playing field with them. Now you're playing the game with two broken legs that you broke yourself. I still have over 100 clips in draft mode and I just don't care anymore because my sales have tanked on your site ever since your big change. I have no problems on the other clips sites (which carry ALL my content) and I'll promote them to my buyers instead and I'm sure many other sellers on your site are doing the same. It's too bad as I actually really liked the site and enjoyed using it up until a few weeks ago. But like they say, all good things must come to an end.

PrincessMika
04-05-2019, 06:49 PM
I got this from Justice Department website on what can constitute a violation of the obscenity law:

1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion);
2. Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, finds that the matter depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and
3. Whether a reasonable person finds that the matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Based on the criteria listed above any clip on the site can be labeled obscene so why not just delete everything? Better to be safe then sorry.

Honestly, it's your guy's website and you can run it anyway you want. I honestly feel you're running it into the ground but it's your choice to do so. I use to promote you guys to people buying my content even after you got rid of the 70% pay out. You guys getting rid of the 70% payout took away your edge over the other clip sites but at least you were on a level playing field with them. Now you're playing the game with two broken legs that you broke yourself. I still have over 100 clips in draft mode and I just don't care anymore because my sales have tanked on your site ever since your big change. I have no problems on the other clips sites (which carry ALL my content) and I'll promote them to my buyers instead and I'm sure many other sellers on your site are doing the same. It's too bad as I actually really liked the site and enjoyed using it up until a few weeks ago. But like they say, all good things must come to an end.

Hi SFHS,

Thank you for sharing. Indeed, vaguely worded rules make all of this especially challenging. That is one of the functions of the iWC Legal Department to help us understand what we can and cannot have on the platform and what that means for our Artists. The adult industry can be especially difficult to navigate, as most of us know.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences and opinions with me. Though we do not want to lose you as an Artist, we respect your choice and understand your frustrations.

Again, drafting categories was our way to give Artists the opportunity to ensure their content followed Visa/MasterCard to ensure the safety of our community. Though it's frustrating and inconvenient, it was done out of a precautionary stance that we felt was important.

As far as the 70% to 60% payouts on clips, it was an extremely difficult decision to come to and it was done out of the necessity to stay competitive, as more and more of the online Adult Industry uses a freemium business model. This being the case, iWC was happy to have been able to offer 70% for our first few years of our growth and development. Now that we are at 60% rev-share on clips, this matches most of our competition. Additionally, the tribute rev-share increased to 80%. Rest assured, we are always looking for ways to improve and/or increase rev-shares for our Artists.

I hope this helped explain things.

Thank you so much, again :)

fetishqueen
04-06-2019, 05:19 AM
Hi Mika,

Perhaps it's not always fair to compare IWC to other sites, each site has advantages and disadvantages over others. However are there any plans to give us any information on how many customers view our clips daily, what they are searching for etc? At the risk of being a hypocrite, the other site I use does give us all that.

I ask because since March 1st I've had an enormous drop in sales on IWC. And that wasn't the day that the rules changed, that was the 20th March IIRC. So I have zero idea as to why my sales have gone down so dismally since March 1st when I upload the same amounts as I always have. I'd like to know if I'm still getting the same amount of customers / viewers or not so I can update my store accordingly, I'm quite varied when it comes to my categories anyway.

More information like this (or some, at least) would help a huge amount. How come IWC don't allow us to see it? The site must have all the details on how many people view our clips and search terms in our store etc?

lilly90xxx
04-06-2019, 09:25 AM
Hi Mika,

Perhaps it's not always fair to compare IWC to other sites, each site has advantages and disadvantages over others. However are there any plans to give us any information on how many customers view our clips daily, what they are searching for etc? At the risk of being a hypocrite, the other site I use does give us all that.

I ask because since March 1st I've had an enormous drop in sales on IWC. And that wasn't the day that the rules changed, that was the 20th March IIRC. So I have zero idea as to why my sales have gone down so dismally since March 1st when I upload the same amounts as I always have. I'd like to know if I'm still getting the same amount of customers / viewers or not so I can update my store accordingly, I'm quite varied when it comes to my categories anyway.

More information like this (or some, at least) would help a huge amount. How come IWC don't allow us to see it? The site must have all the details on how many people view our clips and search terms in our store etc?

Totally agree! If I remember correctly once I mentioned it here. I never made much money on IWC comparing to other sites, and seeing some stats could actually help me a lot.

fetishqueen
04-06-2019, 12:07 PM
I started on IWC at the start of last year, uploaded most days, a few a day to begin with actually to fill up my store. Then uploaded most days and for the past 6 months of so, every day without fail a new upload. In my 1st 10 months I made just over $1k, if it hadn't been a second site I would have long since given up. But late last year things started picking up and had been getting progressively better and better until the end of February, then fell off a cliff from 1st of March and is still abysmal, worse than last year. I have no idea why. So frustrating.

PrincessMika
04-06-2019, 06:00 PM
Hi Mika,

Perhaps it's not always fair to compare IWC to other sites, each site has advantages and disadvantages over others. However are there any plans to give us any information on how many customers view our clips daily, what they are searching for etc? At the risk of being a hypocrite, the other site I use does give us all that.

I ask because since March 1st I've had an enormous drop in sales on IWC. And that wasn't the day that the rules changed, that was the 20th March IIRC. So I have zero idea as to why my sales have gone down so dismally since March 1st when I upload the same amounts as I always have. I'd like to know if I'm still getting the same amount of customers / viewers or not so I can update my store accordingly, I'm quite varied when it comes to my categories anyway.

More information like this (or some, at least) would help a huge amount. How come IWC don't allow us to see it? The site must have all the details on how many people view our clips and search terms in our store etc?


Totally agree! If I remember correctly once I mentioned it here. I never made much money on IWC comparing to other sites, and seeing some stats could actually help me a lot.


I started on IWC at the start of last year, uploaded most days, a few a day to begin with actually to fill up my store. Then uploaded most days and for the past 6 months of so, every day without fail a new upload. In my 1st 10 months I made just over $1k, if it hadn't been a second site I would have long since given up. But late last year things started picking up and had been getting progressively better and better until the end of February, then fell off a cliff from 1st of March and is still abysmal, worse than last year. I have no idea why. So frustrating.

Hi Fetishqueen and Lilly90xxx,

Thank you both so much for your posts. I think we can all agree that being able to see stats would be an amazing feature to have on iWC! :) It's certainly no secret that some content sells better on different platforms and this information would be invaluable for us to see what works on each site to maximize our sales.

I'm happy to let you know that this is currently being developed by the iWC team in conjunction with a large improvement project that is set to release in the near future.

I hope you and everyone else can look forward to it :) I, for one, am super excited!

CatBBW
04-06-2019, 07:55 PM
I'm sorry, I don't understand the 18/19 year old bit...

Is it considered obscene to pretend to be/state you are 18/19 even if you are 20, 25, 30? Is it obscene to PLAY (fantasy) 18 and 19 year old people in a clip? Is it obscene to pretend to be talking to/being intimate with an 18/19 yr old? Or to pretend you have an 18/19 yr old with you when they are clearly 40?

Could you please post the exact obscenity law that IWC/their payment processor is complying with regarding this?

Thanks :)

PrincessMika
04-06-2019, 09:02 PM
I'm sorry, I don't understand the 18/19 year old bit...

Is it considered obscene to pretend to be/state you are 18/19 even if you are 20, 25, 30? Is it obscene to PLAY (fantasy) 18 and 19 year old people in a clip? Is it obscene to pretend to be talking to/being intimate with an 18/19 yr old? Or to pretend you have an 18/19 yr old with you when they are clearly 40?

Could you please post the exact obscenity law that IWC/their payment processor is complying with regarding this?

Thanks :)

Hi CatBBW,

From my understanding:

- Yes, it is considered to be obscene when you are 20 or older but are pretending (even in a fantasy scenario) to be 19 years old, 18 years old, or younger.

- It is not obscene to pretend to be talking with someone that is 18 or 19 years old, assuming it is the viewer, in a clip scenario. However, if a real person is in the clip, and they are over 20 years old and pretending to be 19 or 18 years old or younger, then it would be obscene.

Unfortunately, I have the exact law or verbiage from iWC's lawyers. This is only what I have been told and understand from management, as the reasoning behind this.

I hope this information that I did have was at least a little bit helpful.

Thank you so much :)

SFHS
04-06-2019, 09:17 PM
Unfortunately the prison system is overflowing with 20 year olds who pretended to be 18.

PrincessMika
04-06-2019, 09:30 PM
Unfortunately the prison system is overflowing with 20 year olds who pretended to be 18.

Hi SFHS,

Haha, while I do appreciate your sarcasm and certainly understand how ridiculous this can seem, I think we can all agree it's unfortunate how difficult it is to navigate the world of law, especially in a society that still mostly thinks of sexual work as taboo. We can all only do our best.

Up until somewhat recently, I believe it was thought Blackmail fetish content was okay because mostly everyone was under the assumption it was a fantasy. That is, until someone got into some pretty big, legal trouble for it. Prisons aren't overflowing with people that have blackmailed and/or created blackmail content but the situation is similar in that someone getting into legal trouble can happen.

I believe what iWC wants to avoid is just that; Assuming it's okay until someone, likely one of us models, gets into legal trouble over something like this. By then, it'll be too late and, also by then, it may come into question why iWC did nothing to try to avoid it from happening in the first place.

I appreciate you all listening and I know that, as a community, we'll get through anything that is thrown our way :) Thank you so much!

SFHS
04-06-2019, 09:42 PM
Hi SFHS,

Haha, while I do appreciate your sarcasm and certainly understand how ridiculous this can seem, I think we can all agree it's unfortunate how difficult it is to navigate the world of law, especially in a society that still mostly thinks of sexual work as taboo. We can all only do our best.

Up until somewhat recently, I believe it was thought Blackmail fetish content was okay because mostly everyone was under the assumption it was a fantasy. That is, until someone got into some pretty big, legal trouble for it. Prisons aren't overflowing with people that have blackmailed and/or created blackmail content but the situation is similar in that someone getting into legal trouble can happen.

I believe what iWC wants to avoid is just that; Assuming it's okay until someone, likely one of us models, gets into legal trouble over something like this. By then, it'll be too late and, also by then, it may come into question why iWC did nothing to try to avoid it from happening in the first place.

I appreciate you all listening and I know that, as a community, we'll get through anything that is thrown our way :) Thank you so much!

Ok, lets go by your crazy logic. Do you know that sodomy (sexual intercourse and some of these states include oral intercourse) is outlawed in 16 states. Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. So by IWC allowing people from those states to upload content that includes sex, laws are being broken. Don't you think it would be smart to ban all people from those states from using your website? You don't want your users to get in trouble with the law. If we're actually going to start obeying ridiculous laws that are never enforced shouldn't we be obeying all of them? Why pick and choose which ones you want to follow, it's too risky.

PrincessMika
04-06-2019, 10:29 PM
Ok, lets go by your crazy logic. Do you know that sodomy (sexual intercourse and some of these states include oral intercourse) is outlawed in 16 states. Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. So by IWC allowing people from those states to upload content that includes sex, laws are being broken. Don't you think it would be smart to ban all people from those states from using your website? You don't want your users to get in trouble with the law. If we're actually going to start obeying ridiculous laws that are never enforced shouldn't we be obeying all of them? Why pick and choose which ones you want to follow, it's too risky.

Hello again SFHS,

Thank you for your post and for sharing your knowledge regarding sodomy state law.

Unfortunately, I'm not a lawyer nor am I familiar enough with these types of laws to effectively explain how these types of laws may or may not effect iWC.

What I can say, however, is that it is for reasons like this that iWC does partner with a strong law firm term and works very closely with them. iWC is advised by this team on how to best keep Artists safe that use the platform.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful to you.

Thank you again for all of your posts. I appreciate it.

SFHS
04-06-2019, 10:38 PM
Hello again SFHS,

Thank you for your post and for sharing your knowledge regarding sodomy state law.

Unfortunately, I'm not a lawyer nor am I familiar enough with these types of laws to effectively explain how these types of laws may or may not effect iWC.

What I can say, however, is that it is for reasons like this that iWC does partner with a strong law firm term and works very closely with them. iWC is advised by this team on how to best keep Artists safe that use the platform.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful to you.

Thank you again for all of your posts. I appreciate it.

Well that "strong law firm" is gonna sink the website. Hopefully the people you work for will have enough money left over to hire another "strong law firm" to sue the "strong law firm" that sabotaged IWC.

laurielegs
04-07-2019, 03:45 AM
This has me wondering if these lawyers are actually in the U.S. and understand the law here. It appears to me there is a complete misunderstanding of the language.

This reminds me of how Camcontacts and Adultwork banned all hosts in the USA from working on their sites. Clearly an overreaction as there are many many cam sites based in the U.S. doing a very good business here with everything done legally and still making a hefty profit.

CatBBW
04-07-2019, 06:13 AM
Hi CatBBW,

From my understanding:

- Yes, it is considered to be obscene when you are 20 or older but are pretending (even in a fantasy scenario) to be 19 years old, 18 years old, or younger.

- It is not obscene to pretend to be talking with someone that is 18 or 19 years old, assuming it is the viewer, in a clip scenario. However, if a real person is in the clip, and they are over 20 years old and pretending to be 19 or 18 years old or younger, then it would be obscene.

Unfortunately, I have the exact law or verbiage from iWC's lawyers. This is only what I have been told and understand from management, as the reasoning behind this.

I hope this information that I did have was at least a little bit helpful.

Thank you so much :)

I'm sorry, I don't see how pretending to be 18 or 19 is OBSCENE? I don't know of any laws regarding this (and I did try to look it up!). Yes, I totally agree if they're pretending to be younger than 18 then that's against most countries' laws as that becomes sex (or implying sex) with a minor. But 18, 19 are legal adult ages, so I don't understand how role-playing the age of 18 is any more obscene than role-playing the age of 98?

I am just trying to get my head around what and why IWC classes as obscene now, as on most cam/clip sites the rules are usually quite clear and logical.

I would welcome a statement direct from your legal team - not just about the 18/19 year old role play ban, but also regarding any other queries we've raised here. I personally would like to see exactly which laws they are using to implement the IWC rules.

PrincessMika
04-07-2019, 02:09 PM
This has me wondering if these lawyers are actually in the U.S. and understand the law here. It appears to me there is a complete misunderstanding of the language.

This reminds me of how Camcontacts and Adultwork banned all hosts in the USA from working on their sites. Clearly an overreaction as there are many many cam sites based in the U.S. doing a very good business here with everything done legally and still making a hefty profit.

Hi Laurielegs,

Yes, the lawyer team is located within the U.S.

I do recall CC and AW banning all USA Models as an over re-action. I cannot comment on if what iWC is doing is a similar over re-action of sorts, as I am not included in those types of conversations. I can only pass down information with the decisions that have been made between Legal and Management. What I can say, however, is that iWC management is heavily invested in making decisions that are in the best interests and safety of all Artists that use the platform. So, though certain decisions may seem strange, ridiculous, over the top, jumping the gun, an over re-action or anything of the sort, at their core, they are doing their best to make the right decisions.



I'm sorry, I don't see how pretending to be 18 or 19 is OBSCENE? I don't know of any laws regarding this (and I did try to look it up!). Yes, I totally agree if they're pretending to be younger than 18 then that's against most countries' laws as that becomes sex (or implying sex) with a minor. But 18, 19 are legal adult ages, so I don't understand how role-playing the age of 18 is any more obscene than role-playing the age of 98?

I am just trying to get my head around what and why IWC classes as obscene now, as on most cam/clip sites the rules are usually quite clear and logical.

I would welcome a statement direct from your legal team - not just about the 18/19 year old role play ban, but also regarding any other queries we've raised here. I personally would like to see exactly which laws they are using to implement the IWC rules.


Hi CatBBW,

I am with you, I had no idea about this law until I was told from iWC management. It is my understanding that iWC does also feel the same way, in that they very much dislike inhibiting kink, creativity, and freedom and take as much action as possible to allow for as much kink, creativity and freedoms as possible within the laws and Visa/MasterCard rules. So, it isn't that iWC is saying it's obscene, it's that the law does, and iWC wants to keep us safe from any actions against us as Models, if the worst should happen.

I will put in a request for a statement from Legal regarding the 18/19 year old Obscenity Law(s), as it does seem many of you are interested and are wanting to know more information and specifics about this beyond what I'm able to provide and am knowledgeable about.

Thank you so much :)

CatBBW
04-07-2019, 02:48 PM
I will put in a request for a statement from Legal regarding the 18/19 year old Obscenity Law(s), as it does seem many of you are interested and are wanting to know more information and specifics about this beyond what I'm able to provide and am knowledgeable about.



Thanks for that. I look forward to reading it in due course.


I was having a browse through the categories earlier (when thinking of activating custom clip orders) and spotted a few potential "depends on where you live" illegal categories. I'm not going to list them here, but was wondering if all categories are going to eventually be reviewed for obscenity/illegal practices? ALSO, there's a 20-23 category, is it obscene to role play that age if you're not?

PrincessMika
04-07-2019, 02:56 PM
Thanks for that. I look forward to reading it in due course.


I was having a browse through the categories earlier (when thinking of activating custom clip orders) and spotted a few potential "depends on where you live" illegal categories. I'm not going to list them here, but was wondering if all categories are going to eventually be reviewed for obscenity/illegal practices? ALSO, there's a 20-23 category, is it obscene to role play that age if you're not?

Hi CatBBW,

I have put in the request for this information and hope to hear back, soon.

The "20-23 Years Old" category was created because of the Obscenity Laws of the "18-19 Years Old" category. Anyone, of any age 18+, can pretend they are 20-23. However, only if someone is 18-19 can claim they are 18-19.

Thank you :)

PixiieGirl
04-07-2019, 03:00 PM
am I right in thinking "step-daddy" is fine in place of "daddy"?

PrincessMika
04-07-2019, 06:18 PM
am I right in thinking "step-daddy" is fine in place of "daddy"?

Hi PixiieGirl,

You are correct! Step relations are okay.

Thank you for your post :)

sexysusie
04-08-2019, 06:22 PM
Hi does anyone know the ftp details please? I followed the tutorial but it says i have to contact a site admin to get setup. I opened a ticket, just hoping someone here might have the details faster?

PrincessMika
04-09-2019, 02:00 PM
Hi does anyone know the ftp details please? I followed the tutorial but it says i have to contact a site admin to get setup. I opened a ticket, just hoping someone here might have the details faster?

Hi SexySusie,

Were you able to get a hold of support? I have attached a photo of where you can see FTP information within the Artist Dashboard. I hope this helps.

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PrincessMika
04-09-2019, 07:35 PM
Hi everyone,

I have heard back from the team regarding Obscenity Laws and the issue of Obscenity Law regarding portraying yourself as an 18/19 year old if you are 20+ years of age.

I want to first apologize to everyone, as I have completely misunderstood the 18/19 year old categories to be an Obscenity Law and have told you all as such.

To clarify:

The 18/19 Year old Category issue is NOT an Obscenity Law that iWantClips is enforcing.

The 18/19 Year old issue was done because of Visa/MasterCard under their term, "No simulated minors". Because iWantClips is a Fetish website, Visa/MasterCard are very strict with this, when it comes to this rule in saying no one 20+ can act as an 18 or 19 year old.

I hope this helps clarify this issue for everyone. I, once again, apologize for my complete misunderstanding of this information.

Thank you so much :)

SFHS
04-09-2019, 07:45 PM
Hi everyone,

I have heard back from the team regarding Obscenity Laws and the issue of Obscenity Law regarding portraying yourself as an 18/19 year old if you are 20+ years of age.

I want to first apologize to everyone, as I have completely misunderstood the 18/19 year old categories to be an Obscenity Law and have told you all as such.

To clarify:

The 18/19 Year old Category issue is NOT an Obscenity Law that iWantClips is enforcing.

The 18/19 Year old issue was done because of Visa/MasterCard under their term, "No simulated minors". Because iWantClips is a Fetish website, Visa/MasterCard are very strict with this, when it comes to this rule in saying no one 20+ can act as an 18 or 19 year old.

I hope this helps clarify this issue for everyone. I, once again, apologize for my complete misunderstanding of this information.

Thank you so much :)

It's awful that our government sends "minors" to war. Why are we letting "minors" vote? Lots of questions like that we need answers to.

CatBBW
04-09-2019, 09:19 PM
Hi everyone,

I have heard back from the team regarding Obscenity Laws and the issue of Obscenity Law regarding portraying yourself as an 18/19 year old if you are 20+ years of age.

I want to first apologize to everyone, as I have completely misunderstood the 18/19 year old categories to be an Obscenity Law and have told you all as such.

To clarify:

The 18/19 Year old Category issue is NOT an Obscenity Law that iWantClips is enforcing.

The 18/19 Year old issue was done because of Visa/MasterCard under their term, "No simulated minors". Because iWantClips is a Fetish website, Visa/MasterCard are very strict with this, when it comes to this rule in saying no one 20+ can act as an 18 or 19 year old.

I hope this helps clarify this issue for everyone. I, once again, apologize for my complete misunderstanding of this information.

Thank you so much :)

So 18 and 19 year olds are considered minors within USA? Will you be removing all the verified and simulated 18 and 19 year olds from the site? And ensuring that all customers AND content providers are 20/over?