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Burt Macklin, FBI
06-30-2018, 02:46 PM
There's a Code of Conduct, but I don't know if it's what you are looking for:
https://support.phrendly.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009820808-Code-of-Conduct

xxxGothBarbie
06-30-2018, 10:06 PM
Ya it's been dead all day minus my good regular that just saved my a$$$$ ;) Everyone else that was new messaged me then nothing ;(

katydiamond123
07-01-2018, 11:44 AM
So weird, that one was giving me weird vibes tho:/
Thanks for the info!


Also,is there a tos that explicitly says what we're not allowed to discuss?


I wrote support about a month ago and asked this about videochat too, if there were things we weren't allowed to do or say because there is a decency law in the US.

I was told video chat is not recorded (if that's true as so many sites say that and sell your stuff) and to read the "Code of Conduct" Bert showed you. Which doesn't tell you much. And why I asked support.

That's why I said Phrendly would probably end up being a site where people bring their cam clients that they can't do certain things with on those sites since it's not recorded here.

So, noone is responsible for what transpires between the people. Certain toys are not allowed on Chaturbate. I'm sure here anything goes. And there are no rules for videochat or phone that I could find. Texting I'd go by what's not allowed on other sites but Phrendly seems to allow anything. So the bigger earners and people who are involved in fetish sessions could be taking advantage of that too and earn more.

katydiamond123
07-01-2018, 11:54 AM
Ya it's been dead all day minus my good regular that just saved my a$$$$ ;) Everyone else that was new messaged me then nothing ;(



I found Friday busy and yesterday quiet. Which is typical for a long weekend I think! **Happy Canada Day** to Canadians and **Happy 4th of July** early to the Americans!! :):):):)

Lunanegra
07-01-2018, 01:59 PM
I wrote support about a month ago and asked this about videochat too, if there were things we weren't allowed to do or say because there is a decency law in the US.

I was told video chat is not recorded (if that's true as so many sites say that and sell your stuff) and to read the "Code of Conduct" Bert showed you. Which doesn't tell you much. And why I asked support.

That's why I said Phrendly would probably end up being a site where people bring their cam clients that they can't do certain things with on those sites since it's not recorded here.

So, noone is responsible for what transpires between the people. Certain toys are not allowed on Chaturbate. I'm sure here anything goes. And there are no rules for videochat or phone that I could find. Texting I'd go by what's not allowed on other sites but Phrendly seems to allow anything. So the bigger earners and people who are involved in fetish sessions could be taking advantage of that too and earn more.

Thanks for the info!

I lost a customer because I didn't know the rules.
All the clip/phone sites I use have a very straight up section in their tos that has a list of bannable topics, so when I couldnt find one I was hesitant to continue.
:/ might message him back now though.

jamma
07-01-2018, 02:42 PM
I have a question about promoting. In the past, we've been able to hide our profile as to not mess up our rank if we were going to be away for a while. Does going private "pause" our profile score? I don't wanna go on a 20 hour plane ride to see my family overseas and see that my score is in the toilet.

This should not affect your profile score.

Chica
07-02-2018, 02:56 PM
Ladies, can I send a video message chats or no?

katydiamond123
07-02-2018, 06:07 PM
Ladies, can I send a video message chats or no?

If you mean can you start a video chat with a guy , yes you can but you will be charged for it. (whatever rate he has his video chats set to)

Chica
07-02-2018, 06:19 PM
If you mean can you start a video chat with a guy , yes you can but you will be charged for it. (whatever rate he has his video chats set to)

No I mean can I attach a video to the chat? I can attach a photo and send it but not the video for some reason!!

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-02-2018, 08:00 PM
Can the app be updated to notify us of new stars like it buzzes for new texts (but maybe with a different noise)? I miss a few stars here and there when I am not on my computer :/

alleykat217
07-02-2018, 08:09 PM
Can the app be updated to notify us of new stars like it buzzes for new texts (but maybe with a different noise)? I miss a few stars here and there when I am not on my computer :/

I second that!!

Lunanegra
07-03-2018, 02:20 AM
Phrendly went from great to bullshit real quick. Went from 1000+ clicks a day, spent a gross amount of money to be on the top pages, to getting what 10 clicks a day, now. Plus they lie to these guys hard,im sick of explaining why it's against tos to share personal info. They should include that. idk how many guys said that they got no tos upon sign up. We look like scammers not phrendly, so done.oh yea and if you bid the first two pages they starred people for you, apparently not anymore. I'm only getting money from the same people, and honestly this bid system is dumb as fuck if there's only fucking 10 people signing up a day. I spent 300+ for top spots and for what? shitty site, where it turns out the site fucked my highest spending client from talking to me, he had to contact support and it took them 3 days to fix the issue. If you're going to make us pay FIX YOUR SHIT.STOP MAKING US EXPLAIN YOUR TOS. Idgaf if you say it's been busy, my percentiles are high af and yea only three guys gave been hitting me up. Get your shit together Phrendly.

Lunanegra
07-03-2018, 02:28 AM
Also, the same guys have been having issues reading messages. I'm so disgusted that I spent so much in one week for a site that's not straightforward to our potential clients, and charges us a shit ton of money.does not give us user names upon clicks. How do we not know it's actually phrendly staff just making money off us. WE DON'T

Fading_Floral
07-03-2018, 04:06 AM
Plus they lie to these guys hard,im sick of explaining why it's against tos to share personal info. They should include that. idk how many guys said that they got no tos upon sign up.

Whatever guy(s) is telling you that are lying to you hard. My boyfriend recently made an account there (mostly because I was curious if it was possible for a guy to MAKE money on phrendly) and they definitely had a TOS you had to accept. Not that I bothered to read it because I've been on phrendly a long time and know the rules, but still. It's there. The problem is that there ARE some girls on there that will exchange numbers, or give out a fake number then block the guy, and they get it in their head that even if it is against the rules we will do it anyways for them.



(sorry for this being my first post ever. long time thread/forum lurker & phrendly user)

Lunanegra
07-03-2018, 04:43 AM
Whatever guy(s) is telling you that are lying to you hard. My boyfriend recently made an account there (mostly because I was curious if it was possible for a guy to MAKE money on phrendly) and they definitely had a TOS you had to accept. Not that I bothered to read it because I've been on phrendly a long time and know the rules, but still. It's there. The problem is that there ARE some girls on there that will exchange numbers, or give out a fake number then block the guy, and they get it in their head that even if it is against the rules we will do it anyways for them.



(sorry for this being my first post ever. long time thread/forum lurker & phrendly user)

No it doesnt. I just signed up as a male.

Lunanegra
07-03-2018, 04:54 AM
You enter am email, user id, and password. THAT'S IT. It immediately takes you to your profile.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-03-2018, 07:40 PM
Is anyone else experiencing extreme lag recently? I have chats that are from new guys that won't show up in my inbox but I still hear the noise so I gotta refresh, and switching chats sometimes takes a while.

alleykat217
07-03-2018, 08:09 PM
Is anyone else experiencing extreme lag recently? I have chats that are from new guys that won't show up in my inbox but I still hear the noise so I gotta refresh, and switching chats sometimes takes a while.

Yes, I've noticed that too. It's extremely annoying especially the lag when you're trying to switch chats. You click on one, it lags, you click it again but it brings you to a different one as if it already switched on the chat list.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-03-2018, 08:32 PM
Yes, I've noticed that too. It's extremely annoying especially the lag when you're trying to switch chats. You click on one, it lags, you click it again but it brings you to a different one as if it already switched on the chat list.

Yes! I thought it was a hardware/internet issue on my end but that is exactly what is happening to me. So hard to keep up with sending out those messages rapidly when I have more than a few guys at a time. Proooobably why my response rate % sucks haha.

baii
07-03-2018, 10:50 PM
Ughh! Does anyone else have problems with video chat connecting and it sometimes having sound but no video? Yesterday I banked off a dude (made $200!) talking on a video chat, he's a regular who thinks he's in love with me and hasn't figured out yet that I in fact get the money that he pays the site (mwahaha) and has been using the app to talk to me , his "girlfriend" who doesn't quite feel comfortable giving my number out online. I really got lucky with this one, and now that he's discovered the video chat he wants to video chat every single night before bed!!! But IT NEVER WORKS. It worked the first night, then after he refilled his drinks it hasn't worked since. I know he actually did refill his drinks because he's been messaging me nonstop so obviously his money is working. It's just that every time we try to video chat it gives the black screen and shows it as "connecting" for literally forever. Sometimes it has sound, but it never quite gets video! It's so strange bc it worked fine the first night and now it never works. I have high speed internet and I cam on CB and never have any problems but phrendly can't seem to let me stream a video at all.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-03-2018, 11:09 PM
What browser are you using? Try Firefox if you aren't using it already.

HelenaVixen
07-04-2018, 07:56 AM
Hi ladies!
Does anyone know how to change your IG account on your profile? I just tried and now its saying "You can only use one primary instagram" but hve no idea where to find it or change it, i've looked everywhere

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 08:26 AM
Hi ladies!
Does anyone know how to change your IG account on your profile? I just tried and now its saying "You can only use one primary instagram" but hve no idea where to find it or change it, i've looked everywhere

Message [email protected] and have them unlink it. :)

HelenaVixen
07-04-2018, 08:31 AM
Message [email protected] and have them unlink it. :)

Thank you so much!!

katydiamond123
07-04-2018, 08:39 AM
The campaign can't be working properly today. I woke up and checked and all my settings are exactly the same as usual. With one exception. There seems to be a problem
with the bidding. It said I have $2.10 left to spend on bids for today (ti 5PM Pacific time) That is correct but it is ranking me in the rankings as though I am spending that amount $2.10 not the $4.07 that I have it set for. So my ranking is much much lower than it would be if I were actually ranked what I have it set for : $4.07

I tried to change it, it does the same thing. I tried stopping the campaign and restarting with a different amount making my daily spending limit even higher and it still ranks me
at $2.10.

This can't be correct. You should be able to change your bid and move. Not stay in the exact same place all day. How is this system helping then if we are stuck in one spot?


Is anyone else in the spot that costs the amount that is left for that day instead of the amount you are actually bidding?

If I change my bid to $6 for example it should move me to the spot near where it says it costs $6 to have that spot. Instead I am actually moving down even further it now says
that my daily limit left it $1.95 and moved me even lower. I am now in the spot that costs $1.95 when I am bidding over $6. IT IS USING WHAT IT SAYS IS MY REMAINING BID AMOUNT AT THE VERY TOP TO PLACE ME INSTEAD OF MY ACTUAL BID AMOUNT. WTF????

I have seen this happen more than once now. Most days it moves me and it places me where my bid says I should be. And today seemed busy and it is doing this.

What is strange too is that this is the first day in 3 days that I have had to pay for clicks all of mine were unqualified and today is the first day I've had this issue with my campaign.

katydiamond123
07-04-2018, 09:23 AM
Also, the same guys have been having issues reading messages. I'm so disgusted that I spent so much in one week for a site that's not straightforward to our potential clients, and charges us a shit ton of money.does not give us user names upon clicks. How do we not know it's actually phrendly staff just making money off us. WE DON'T



I'm sorry you're so upset but I admire someone who says what they think! Most people wouldn't for fear of being put to Page 2000!! Are you a Libra by any chance?

Did you actually make any money for the amounts you spent on the campaign? Or do you feel you spent a lot to earn not much back? (Without the campaign you'd be on past page 1000 now or in the 1000th position. I can't even imagine what the people on page 1200 earn.)

I've erased the rest of what I was going to write because I don't want to be on page 2000. LOL :)

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 10:17 AM
The campaign can't be working properly today. I woke up and checked and all my settings are exactly the same as usual. With one exception. There seems to be a problem
with the bidding. It said I have $2.10 left to spend on bids for today (ti 5PM Pacific time) That is correct but it is ranking me in the rankings as though I am spending that amount $2.10 not the $4.07 that I have it set for. So my ranking is much much lower than it would be if I were actually ranked what I have it set for : $4.07

I tried to change it, it does the same thing. I tried stopping the campaign and restarting with a different amount making my daily spending limit even higher and it still ranks me
at $2.10.

This can't be correct. You should be able to change your bid and move. Not stay in the exact same place all day. How is this system helping then if we are stuck in one spot?


Is anyone else in the spot that costs the amount that is left for that day instead of the amount you are actually bidding?

If I change my bid to $6 for example it should move me to the spot near where it says it costs $6 to have that spot. Instead I am actually moving down even further it now says
that my daily limit left it $1.95 and moved me even lower. I am now in the spot that costs $1.95 when I am bidding over $6. IT IS USING WHAT IT SAYS IS MY REMAINING BID AMOUNT AT THE VERY TOP TO PLACE ME INSTEAD OF MY ACTUAL BID AMOUNT. WTF????

I have seen this happen more than once now. Most days it moves me and it places me where my bid says I should be. And today seemed busy and it is doing this.

What is strange too is that this is the first day in 3 days that I have had to pay for clicks all of mine were unqualified and today is the first day I've had this issue with my campaign.

I'm having issues too. I had $1.50 left for the day yesterday, made my bid for a bit less, say, $1.19, and my campaign was showing I was busted. I kept raising my allowance higher and higher until it finally let me back into the campaign. I think I was at $5.00 when it was saying I had $1.50 and I had to crank it up to $11 or $12 to resume.

HelenaVixen
07-04-2018, 12:34 PM
Sorry for the double posts today but do any of you have any advice on what to put for your description area? I'm actively reading the thread and i'm not sure whether to put fetish/content things or something vanilla and cutesy. I want it to be known I have more content but not throw any guy off.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 01:11 PM
Sorry for the double posts today but do any of you have any advice on what to put for your description area? I'm actively reading the thread and i'm not sure whether to put fetish/content things or something vanilla and cutesy. I want it to be known I have more content but not throw any guy off.

No one minds if you have questions or things to say! :)

Do both! I've spoken on this before but I know what works for me might not be the best path for others. If I were ever to do both (actually thought about trying it out today), I'd have a cutesy headline and then in my four words, "Totally a domme/Kinda freaky/Mostly dirtier than u ;)" You get the idea.

HelenaVixen
07-04-2018, 02:04 PM
No one minds if you have questions or things to say! :)

Do both! I've spoken on this before but I know what works for me might not be the best path for others. If I were ever to do both (actually thought about trying it out today), I'd have a cutesy headline and then in my four words, "Totally a domme/Kinda freaky/Mostly dirtier than u ;)" You get the idea.

Thank you!!
Do you have any advice on checking your placement? I've seen it mentioned by many posters but I can only see the page with the guy's faces. Am I looking in the wrong area?

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 02:12 PM
Thank you!!
Do you have any advice on checking your placement? I've seen it mentioned by many posters but I can only see the page with the guy's faces. Am I looking in the wrong area?

Open a private window, go to phrendly.com, and then look through the women until you find yourself. However... I haven't done this in a while since I just look at the promo list haha.

katydiamond123
07-04-2018, 06:52 PM
I'm having issues too. I had $1.50 left for the day yesterday, made my bid for a bit less, say, $1.19, and my campaign was showing I was busted. I kept raising my allowance higher and higher until it finally let me back into the campaign. I think I was at $5.00 when it was saying I had $1.50 and I had to crank it up to $11 or $12 to resume.


I had to raise it to have my maximum to $8 and then use Firefox browser and it finally put me back to the position I usually have. This was after I wrote support who never answered. They get free wine on Fridays so I doubt anyone works on a holiday. LOL

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 08:38 PM
Ah balls. I went into private for a few hours to launch some fireworks and hit my neighbor's car (drunk? wha?? meeeee??), came back to sober up and hustle, and the buy in is $40 for page 1 and it's not "resetting" itself. I hope this gets fixed soon because it's a little horrifying to throw down $16 to be on page 5 lol when I'm usually there for a quarter.

katydiamond123
07-04-2018, 08:43 PM
Thank you!!
Do you have any advice on checking your placement? I've seen it mentioned by many posters but I can only see the page with the guy's faces. Am I looking in the wrong area?



To add to Bert's post: You can also go to phrendly.com with a different browser. Then the main page will come up which is set at men looking for women phone friends. You can also set it to NEW PEOPLE ONLY and see where you are on that page.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-04-2018, 09:48 PM
Ah balls. I went into private for a few hours to launch some fireworks and hit my neighbor's car (drunk? wha?? meeeee??), came back to sober up and hustle, and the buy in is $40 for page 1 and it's not "resetting" itself. I hope this gets fixed soon because it's a little horrifying to throw down $16 to be on page 5 lol when I'm usually there for a quarter.

It took over an hour but it fixed itself finally.

katydiamond123
07-05-2018, 07:55 PM
Ah balls. I went into private for a few hours to launch some fireworks and hit my neighbor's car (drunk? wha?? meeeee??), came back to sober up and hustle, and the buy in is $40 for page 1 and it's not "resetting" itself. I hope this gets fixed soon because it's a little horrifying to throw down $16 to be on page 5 lol when I'm usually there for a quarter.



............so this is where you are drunk and just happen to feel horny? LOL LOL better get online fast!!

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-05-2018, 08:20 PM
You ever have someone q-click you, spend a sip and vanish? Get tf back here we got two more sips before we're even ya bitch.

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-05-2018, 08:21 PM
............so this is where you are drunk and just happen to feel horny? LOL LOL better get online fast!!

I am always drunk and horny on Phrendly ;)

katydiamond123
07-06-2018, 02:30 PM
I wrote support twice about the problems with the campaign.

All I get back is a cut & paste from the support files online which I already know everything that's in it.

I can't believe that after describing the problem in detail anyone could understand and sending screenshots i can't get an answer just a canned reply.

Maybe they need some training for their newer support people. I won't write names here but some seem to answer and some just don't at all!! and that's not acceptable when you
are paying a company plus now paying for a percentage too. Yes we make some money from the campaign too but WE are the ones doing the work also!!!

Very frustrating as i wasn't the only one with the problem.

katydiamond123
07-06-2018, 02:39 PM
When you change your bid to $5 and let's say you put the same amount as your maximum daily bid $5 and you go to the campaign leaderboard does it use the amount you just changed your bid to $5 or does

it use the amount at the top where it says Budget left for today?? so maybe $5 minus what you spent on clicks and the remainder might be $2.80 (your budget left for today) does it show you on the board as your bid being $2.80?


That is what is happening to me and it won't change no matter if i change my bid to make it higher or not.

So what is the point then if we can't make our bid higher and go up higher on the Board. I thought when you reset your bid Higher the Budget remaining should change also. It has everyday except i've had this problem
the last 2 days and it's frustrating!! Especially support being no help for 2 days now.

This has to be some problem with the time becasue when it happened the other day as soon as it reset at my Timezone time it worked properly after that. I'm afraid to get up and look at it every morning now.

alleykat217
07-06-2018, 03:01 PM
When you change your bid to $5 and let's say you put the same amount as your maximum daily bid $5 and you go to the campaign leaderboard does it use the amount you just changed your bid to $5 or does

it use the amount at the top where it says Budget left for today?? so maybe $5 minus what you spent on clicks and the remainder might be $2.80 (your budget left for today) does it show you on the board as your bid being $2.80?


That is what is happening to me and it won't change no matter if i change my bid to make it higher or not.

So what is the point then if we can't make our bid higher and go up higher on the Board. I thought when you reset your bid Higher the Budget remaining should change also. It has everyday except i've had this problem
the last 2 days and it's frustrating!! Especially support being no help for 2 days now.

This has to be some problem with the time becasue when it happened the other day as soon as it reset at my Timezone time it worked properly after that. I'm afraid to get up and look at it every morning now.

If your remaining balance is less than your bid than I believe your placement goes my what your remaining balance is. That's what I think mine does. But if you up your daily budget and your remaining is now higher than your bid you're suppose to be good.

katydiamond123
07-06-2018, 08:41 PM
If your remaining balance is less than your bid than I believe your placement goes my what your remaining balance is. That's what I think mine does. But if you up your daily budget and your remaining is now higher than your bid you're suppose to be good.



Thanks. I appreciate your reply and help. I have a screen shot where I changed my bid AND my daily maximum bid to $5.84 and it still put my placement at $3.10 or similiar. It would not change my placement to match my bid even when I upped it.

Only when my account resets at 6 PM my time does it allow me to change it and then uses what my daily bid is. (instead of what it says under daily remaining balance.)

If I don't change it after my account resets, it says 5.84 on all 3 things and still puts my placement on the chart at around $2.01.

That can't be right that I can't be placed where I am bidding? Or that I can't up my bid and therefore my placement?

That would mean the more your daily maximum bid is would be controlling where you are placed not your bid. That doesn't seem correct. Because if the remaining balance is determining where I am placed then if I make the maximum bid $15.00 so when they deduct my clicks they then have $12 or $13 left and they would place me a the $12 or $13 spot 9 (the remaining bid) and NOT where my bid of $5.84 is.

Again i am not being placed where I am bidding.

Also who has time to constantly go check it. And why am I paying if I am not placing properly all day everyday before 6 PM my time?And why wasn't it doing this before the last 2 days, only once before that i noticed the
same thing, I wrote support that day and by the time i looked again it was working properly so I know this isn't correct.

alleykat217
07-06-2018, 10:06 PM
Thanks. I appreciate your reply and help. I have a screen shot where I changed my bid AND my daily maximum bid to $5.84 and it still put my placement at $3.10 or similiar. It would not change my placement to match my bid even when I upped it.

Only when my account resets at 6 PM my time does it allow me to change it and then uses what my daily bid is. (instead of what it says under daily remaining balance.)

If I don't change it after my account resets, it says 5.84 on all 3 things and still puts my placement on the chart at around $2.01.

That can't be right that I can't be placed where I am bidding? Or that I can't up my bid and therefore my placement?

That would mean the more your daily maximum bid is would be controlling where you are placed not your bid. That doesn't seem correct. Because if the remaining balance is determining where I am placed then if I make the maximum bid $15.00 so when they deduct my clicks they then have $12 or $13 left and they would place me a the $12 or $13 spot 9 (the remaining bid) and NOT where my bid of $5.84 is.

Again i am not being placed where I am bidding.

Also who has time to constantly go check it. And why am I paying if I am not placing properly all day everyday before 6 PM my time?And why wasn't it doing this before the last 2 days, only once before that i noticed the
same thing, I wrote support that day and by the time i looked again it was working properly so I know this isn't correct.

Just keep writing them until you get an answer and make sure you send them the screenshots so they know exactly what you're talking about.

melanielive
07-07-2018, 10:30 AM
I m thinking to give the bidding a try cause I ve been staring tons of guys daily and I only make a couple bucks with 2 or 3 " LOST phrends" I have but no new guys message me.. :(
Did u notice an increase on the guys messaging u? I don't wanna sound cheap but I don't think I have 20.00 earned there so I don't wanna waste my $$ lol..

Chica
07-07-2018, 10:08 PM
I m thinking to give the bidding a try cause I ve been staring tons of guys daily and I only make a couple bucks with 2 or 3 " LOST phrends" I have but no new guys message me.. :(
Did u notice an increase on the guys messaging u? I don't wanna sound cheap but I don't think I have 20.00 earned there so I don't wanna waste my $$ lol..
Bidding definitely made a difference for me for about a week... then it slowed down I don’t know why... I am thinking about increasing the bid

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-08-2018, 09:22 AM
Bidding definitely made a difference for me for about a week... then it slowed down I don’t know why... I am thinking about increasing the bid

Maybe what happened was a lot of guys who hadn't seen you previously made contact and then things evened out?

Chica
07-08-2018, 04:05 PM
Maybe what happened was a lot of guys who hadn't seen you previously made contact and then things evened out?

It can be... for instance right now it’s dead for me for a few days....how is it for you ladies?

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-08-2018, 04:18 PM
Silence for me right now; just a few stars this afternoon/evening. Yesterday I made a bit less than I thought I would. Friday was good. When I first started promoting, things started off slow, and then it picked up for me, and now it's evened out again. I think the week of a holiday is always weird though - made most of my money on the 4th this week actually and then both yesterday and today I am struggling to hit my low goal.

Lunanegra
07-09-2018, 09:14 PM
Lol, now support won't let me unlink my instagram."it's permanent", yea ok, that account has been deleted. So wtf am I supposed to do?

Burt Macklin, FBI
07-09-2018, 10:33 PM
Lol, now support won't let me unlink my instagram."it's permanent", yea ok, that account has been deleted. So wtf am I supposed to do?

What! I did this last year, same situation, only my Facebook was deleted... I'm sorry for the bad info but they were able to do it last year.