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babb
11-08-2016, 01:20 AM
Sam38g you are inspirational!! I can feel your confidence through your posts.

Hk
11-08-2016, 03:01 AM
they say it takes 10 years of practice to master a skill......

fallyn_love
11-10-2016, 01:07 PM
I feel like its the older dancers, and experienced dancers who bank. Appreciate them because they are a walking sales book. WATCH THEM!!!

At the end of my shift is the only time i sit in the dressing room and LISTEN to them and i pick up tips and tricks to use.

Use her (watch her, immitate her, etc), dont abuse her (hate on her for knowing the game/hustle, call her names, etc).

LoveyDovey
11-10-2016, 01:23 PM
^^ Yes. Don't hate. Appreciate!

bbwbrianna
11-15-2016, 09:39 PM
Bashing this Woman on stripperweb isn't going to help you make bank. You will remain broke and bitter. Instead of attacking other women for making more money than you why not learn from them? Hate threads like this.

Selina M
11-15-2016, 10:35 PM
You're right! And there are many veterans on here that like 75% of their posts are putting down other ladies. I wonder if they are as feisty in person or only behind the keyboard.

In case this is directed at me as one of them... yes, I am as feisty and sarcastic in person :D

I'm the minority here, but I don't see the OP as 'tearing women down'. It's a legit question, albeit one that's been answered in another long ass thread. When you ask a civilian what a stripper looks like, they are probably going to tell you thin, great boobs, long hair, young, etc. It IS baffling to new girls how a 40+ year old with the appearance OP described are making money.

Anyways OP, stripping is not all looks. I have seen 9s and 10s absolutely tank at dancing... because they have a shitty attitude, refuse to approach men, can't put on a decent stage show, can't identify men likely to spend on them, aren't interested in learning how to carry on a nice conversation, refuse to learn even an iota of sales skills... etc. You won't get paid just for being hot.

There is a 50 year old dancer here who basically tours around the Phoenix clubs. Over the years she has cultivated a stable of regulars that are incredibly devoted to her. She'll spend the whole 5 hours in VIP being paid $20 literally every song, while there are 2 other guys sitting at the bar waiting (with roses or gifts!) for their turn, and hot young girls are struggling to sell $10 dances. Why do these men come to her? Because she's made them feel wanted and special, she entertains them intellectually, and she radiates confidence without an attached bad attitude. I'm sure she learned all that with years of experience and as a result, she can blow the 21 year olds out of the water.

There's always a chance this woman is doing extras, but if she's not, you'd do well to maybe ask her for pointers (NICELY, when she's not busy, and make sure you let her know you admire her skills).

LoveyDovey
11-16-2016, 10:12 AM
^^ that 50 year old knew how to play the game well and probably didn't piss off her following. A little respect for your customers goes a long way. I've had the same regulars for 12 years now because I've never promised them anything I couldn't deliver. They've come to me for years, unloading their troubles. I've been their confidante and they know I won't hustle them (not in a bad way) and they can trust me.

catlover0106
11-21-2016, 04:28 AM
Not all guys like young girls some have daughters that age and say it makes them feel like a pedophile. If she's the one older one it could make her stand out in a good way. Also if she's older she might've been doing it for awhile and have established regulars. And one other thing I've noticed a lot of super hot girls spend so much time and effort fixing their makeup and hair and then go out there thinking guys will come to them or just pick them simply because they look "hot." And they might look great their whole shift but that doesn't translate to money. Honestly some of the times I made the best money I looked like crap by the end of the night and had sweated of all my makeup and it was cause I ran around talking to everyone and never once wasted time to fix my makeup or to try to make myself look hot, getting out there and talking to everyone, moving quickly and being humble and nice and establishing a connection can be a lot more important than that.

fallyn_love
12-02-2016, 10:53 PM
Not all guys like young girls some have daughters that age and say it makes them feel like a pedophile. If she's the one older one it could make her stand out in a good way. Also if she's older she might've been doing it for awhile and have established regulars. And one other thing I've noticed a lot of super hot girls spend so much time and effort fixing their makeup and hair and then go out there thinking guys will come to them or just pick them simply because they look "hot." And they might look great their whole shift but that doesn't translate to money. Honestly some of the times I made the best money I looked like crap by the end of the night and had sweated of all my makeup and it was cause I ran around talking to everyone and never once wasted time to fix my makeup or to try to make myself look hot, getting out there and talking to everyone, moving quickly and being humble and nice and establishing a connection can be a lot more important than that.
I second that!!!
When im looking good, but not obsessing over my looks is when i get that $$$, and when im on my period...weird. also confidence loving yourself, AND KNOWING your gonna bank. Being nice but aggressive. And im recently learning how to move fast. 2 to 3 songs then im gone. Dont worry about the other girls at work, FUCK EM!!!
And stop being so nice

nikkiharley
12-07-2016, 07:58 AM
there's one like this at my club. she greets every customer, asks for a dance and if they refuse she moves on no conversation, nothing. she does tell them (according to my regulars) that she will make their dreams come true or fantasies in he VIP. seems to work

yaya_cash
12-20-2017, 08:14 PM
Not many women whom start dancing last. Many believe it's easy to make money, or there's a magical place that just is handing money out. No. Like girl you're not going to make the same earnings as I do at this or that club, because my hustle.
Yup!

There are a ton of "strippers" out there who post pics of themselves on instagram looking hot in the DR, "look at my new bag" etc etc but barely make rent cause they don't actually want to do the work part of the job.

I think there's a few big strippers on insta (think Cardi B, etc) who have helped made stripping into a ~cool job~ and we've got an influx of girls from that. But some of these newbies are downright frightening- zero street smarts, think the job is one big party, and that they should be leaving with money stacks every night just for being hot. Yeah nope, not how it works.

baer45
12-20-2017, 11:21 PM
Let me tell you something OP. There will always be a girl who's better looking than you, younger than you, the next day. If that's all you've got in this business, you won't go far. You need to study your customers and find your most efficient way to hustle.
Your SOE is always regulars, regulars!

Goldenx.Chiquis
12-21-2017, 02:00 AM
Read books on how to sell. Read books by Napoleon Hill & Dale Carnegie. Read books on how to be a great hostess. People are still people & there are some books despite being 100 years or older that hold true. Education is never wasted. Have you read a book about manners & etiquette, or how to be a great conversationalist?

Wit & charm are great assets in any person.

I know you probably started this thread to commiserate & have us all back you up on those feelings. Wisdom & growth don't happen when everyone agrees with you

Good Luck,
Sam
I know I need some books to read on how to carry conversation and how to sell shittt. Cause let me tell you when I was dancing I couldn't even relate to these old white men and I'm just like "Uhhhhh what do I say, what do I say?" In the back of my mind knowing I lost them already with the gap. Hell I want to know how to convert a "I'm just here for a drink." dude into a, "One more lap dance in VIP" I only danced a little bit due to physical limitations but I'd love to give it a go again. Plus get my acting down cause my face loveeeees telling on me lol.

Missdoll
12-22-2017, 08:17 AM
Well, she may be a very charming and good sales woman for 1.

OR she’s whispering about extras.
Seen it before and it usually went down like that.
(If she delivers them or not you never know unless you see for yourself so don’t assume she could just be lying to them lol)

Litch
12-22-2017, 01:04 PM
while I don't agree with bashing other girls, I can say that I've had similar thoughts when looking at other dancers and I'm pretty sure we ALL have so attacking someone for asking an innocent question is also quite rude.

in my opinion, some of the less conventionally attractive women tend to be less intimidating for men.

SuperJa
12-22-2017, 01:16 PM
^^

Yes a lot of guys have in their mind hot=bitch so they can often be shocked when a very attractive dancer is also nice to them.

For guys who go to the strip club looking for attention/to feel special more so than the sexy aspect of it the look of the dancer doesn't matter much, it's more so about how she made them feel. So an "ugly" girl who is like "tell me more, you're so smart, i love spending time with you" is gonna bank off that guy versus a "hot" dancer who doesn't treat him the same way.

Attractive women are a dime a dozen in a strip club, if that's all a dancer brings to the table she's gonna have circles hustled around her.

EastCoastDancer01
12-26-2017, 12:36 AM
Men do not view beauty the same as women do!!! Men are more horny and physical, whatever gets their dick hard is what they like. Especially men who go to strip clubs, they aren’t there to judge women on how pretty their faces are or how well they do their hair and makeup. This woman has the right body type that appeals to men and uses her sass and personality to make bank. She’s not cookie cutter or basic and some men like that. If you want to survive this industry you need to have something else besides looks to offer.

BondGirl007
12-26-2017, 08:06 AM
Some of the biggest earners I ever saw in my years, which numbered many, were the "older" dancers, women who had a few pounds on them along with cellulite, women who were not the bombshell drop dead Divas, and plain Janes. I have also seen women who were the queens of the castle, regarding beauty, but they had such a miserable disposition, that they were not big earners. Yes, being a dancer is primarily a physical matter, as you do have to look good, but it really goes so beyond that.

miss.a.p1600
12-26-2017, 05:01 PM
How is she making so much money???

Because pussy has no face.

Im kidding.

She could be good at sales, seduction, etc Also some men are intimidated by 10's and would rather go with a 5 or a 6. IDK many reasons. Attraction is not just physical beauty (which happens to be subjective) its more than that.

Amy Lee
12-26-2017, 05:10 PM
It's a heavy misconception that you have to be thin, young, white and perky. Men like all kinds of women. It is most likely her confidence and her dirty and sexy mouth that gets her the money! I love it. So inspiring.

You can be fat and sexy.
You can be "ugly" and sexy as well.
You can be perky and blond and boring...

A lot of thicker women, women of color or less attractive women sometimes feel they have to lower their rates, but I say don't do it. Someone is gonna love that big nice a**, "ugly" face and beautiful brown skin.

Starboo101
12-28-2017, 06:45 PM
There were a lot of older women at my club and most of them banked. They have a lot of experience so they know exactly what to do. There was a women at my old club who was 45 and looked amazing.

SugarCookies
12-28-2017, 07:56 PM
I know one girl who is not conventionally "hot" by mainstream beauty standards (but I'm not saying she's ugly either). If you saw her you would not think stripper at all. Short hair and big belly. But she's always giggling, making jokes, and has a bubbly warm voice when speaking to customers. On the stage she oozes confidence and that alone makes her sexy, she makes flirty eye contact with audience and most of the time that guy gets up from his seat just to tip her afterwards.

In the end: 1) everyone has a different definition of beauty, and 2) looks only play a small part in your success. Personality and skill does matter.

daisydukez
12-29-2017, 02:13 AM
Experience and confidence. There's a specific dancer who is in her mid 40's and she seldom comes in but when she does everyone admires her .. its like she has a power over customers. She's made thousands and thousands off of specific regulars that came in for her Heck, one of the reasons she only comes in once every few weeks or so is because of how much she clears whenever she works. Instead of focusing on her looks or rather your idea of her look, maybe focus on how she can manage to make the money she makes.

BondGirl007
12-29-2017, 03:24 AM
When I started dancing I was very young, and it was a very magical time as the high-end clubs were really booming around the country. We used to run on an average night 121 girls in my club in New York City, and each one was more beautiful than the next. I mean we're talking Playboy centerfold models were there on any average night, and not as feature dancers, but just as regular house girls, many of them. It was the heyday. I remember there were a couple of older girls that in my immature bratty little attitude, I used to wonder why they were in the club, because they were older, and very apparently older, and they didn't look that great, and one of them was even fairly plump. However, I used to watch the two of them quite often, and recall seeing how they would sit with customers all night long. Generally they were older customers, and I know firsthand, in hearing it many times myself as an older entertainer, doing domination now, that some customers appreciate a more mature woman. Many of these customers have daughters and granddaughters that are young and when they get with dancers (and Dommes) who are very young, they feel uncomfortable. The couple older girls that I used to watch, they were very smart about zeroing in on that gentleman who's looking to sit with a mature lady. With age comes experience, intelligence, and certain things that younger women don't understand yet. Don't discount that old lady at the club.

Ifyouseekamy
02-08-2018, 02:49 AM
Revenge of the milf

SnuffleUffleGrass
02-08-2018, 07:59 AM
When I started dancing I was very young, and it was a very magical time as the high-end clubs were really booming around the country. We used to run on an average night 121 girls in my club in New York City, and each one was more beautiful than the next. I mean we're talking Playboy centerfold models were there on any average night, and not as feature dancers, but just as regular house girls, many of them. It was the heyday. I remember there were a couple of older girls that in my immature bratty little attitude, I used to wonder why they were in the club, because they were older, and very apparently older, and they didn't look that great, and one of them was even fairly plump. However, I used to watch the two of them quite often, and recall seeing how they would sit with customers all night long. Generally they were older customers, and I know firsthand, in hearing it many times myself as an older entertainer, doing domination now, that some customers appreciate a more mature woman. Many of these customers have daughters and granddaughters that are young and when they get with dancers (and Dommes) who are very young, they feel uncomfortable. The couple older girls that I used to watch, they were very smart about zeroing in on that gentleman who's looking to sit with a mature lady. With age comes experience, intelligence, and certain things that younger women don't understand yet. Don't discount that old lady at the club.

So true. At my age I feel uncomfortable around really young males. I can totally understand the big spending customer who can't handle sitting with an 18 year old girl.

yaya_cash
02-09-2018, 12:42 PM
I feel like its the older dancers, and experienced dancers who bank. Appreciate them because they are a walking sales book. WATCH THEM!!!

At the end of my shift is the only time i sit in the dressing room and LISTEN to them and i pick up tips and tricks to use.

Use her (watch her, immitate her, etc), dont abuse her (hate on her for knowing the game/hustle, call her names, etc).

I know of this group of older entertainers in their 30s or even 40s that work together to make money. They sell the most rooms and they're not the most beautiful women in the room. They must've been in the adult entertainment business for years, to gain the persuasiveness to sell so many rooms. Although one of the older entertainers isn't nice to me, since I was speaking to a customer also she was, like the other entertainers do (we're working in a high-pressure environment in New York), and she complained to the housemom, and talks negatively about me to others, now.

Ifyouseekamy
02-09-2018, 11:01 PM
^^^ that sucks. I’m not at work to make friends, but I hope I’m not mean to the newer/younger girls. It’s not an attractive quality and we all make more money when we get along. It’s a better work environment for everyone.

yaya_cash
02-15-2018, 09:53 PM
^^^ that sucks. I’m not at work to make friends, but I hope I’m not mean to the newer/younger girls. It’s not an attractive quality and we all make more money when we get along. It’s a better work environment for everyone.

I wasn't even being catty about talking to the customer either. I've worked with other women, and I thought she would be fine with working together to help the customer enjoy himself and spend more money.

I haven't been speaking much about her, like she's talking so much about me negatively. Like every time I am in her presence.

I can hear and notice usually a lot, that people don't think I'm listening to, even being across the room. I know what goes on in the club. I just don't speak on it. It is not my business to tell, like others like to tell.