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AnotherLily
11-10-2016, 07:07 AM
Let's all remember how civil, gracious, calm and respectful people were in the '08 and '12 elections results... 46570


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miss.a.p1600
11-10-2016, 07:39 AM
Yes, but simply voting for a racist doesn't make you a white supremacist. He got 53 million votes, and 50 million of those voters are white supremacists? Comparing the 2012 and 2016 ballots in the deciding states (PA, MI, WI), ~690k more people voted Obama than Clinton, while the total votes cast in these three states remained about the same (~13.4 million in 2012, ~13.6 million in 2016). It means people changed support for their party, and it's unlikely that within four years they suddenly became white supremacists. It's not logical to write off these particular voters' displeasure with the last eight years as racism. You really can't imagine a voter putting aside offensive comments for their projection of a better future in other aspects?

No I never said or implied that. Voting for a racist does not automatically make one racist but it does make them look suspect.

I have associates that are racist but I cannot have deeper connections like be friends with them nor would I support them in leadership positions. I mistakenly dated a guy I discovered was a white supremacist and I had to end the relationship.

White supremacist groups such as KKK endorsed trump so a percentage of his supporters are indeed bonafide racists.

Yes I think one can vote for a person based issues such as employment, housing, education, taxes, etc. but these things are also tied to race/culture and have such undertones.

Besides trump didn't just make ridiculous comments against multiple groups based on race. He has been sued for practing racial, gender, and housing discrimination. He also bragged about sexually assaulting woman and mocked people with disabilities and the list goes on. So it's not just about race. But I suppose his voters were able to look past all his personal shortcomings.

tookewl
11-10-2016, 08:07 AM
Not overlooking. Hillary won the popular vote so that means the MAJORITY of American preferred her over Trump. She lost because of the dated 18 century Electoral College system.

True she won the majority of the votes with the way the system is setup but that's changing the rules after the game is played. It doesn't take into account that people stayed at home in heavily red or blue states who felt like their votes wouldn't matter. NOt saying we should stick with the electoral college nor am I saying we should go with the popular vote.

baer45
11-10-2016, 08:16 AM
People are nuts. He is the elected president and accept it and move on. If God really bless us, he will do lots of good things for us. No one, no one had the chance he has right now. With congress and Supreme Court on his side, he literally can do anything he planned to achieve. Obama was never given this type of chance and also because he was not willing to strike a deal with congress. It's a disaster on both side. Now we have an United government, trump has one chance and the best chance ever. He'd better do good for the people in America. People elected him for this very reason.

Protestors are just a sad demonstration of ignorance. It's a done deal now. In order to impeach him you need congress and Supreme Court.

Marina Starr
11-10-2016, 08:23 AM
I've accepted that it's now in God's hands. I pray for strength to completely surrender and move on. #AMEN
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miss.a.p1600
11-10-2016, 08:34 AM
People are nuts. He is the elected president and accept it and move on. If God really bless us, he will do lots of good things for us. No one, no one had the chance he has right now. With congress and Supreme Court on his side, he literally can do anything he planned to achieve. Obama was never given this type of chance and also because he was not willing to strike a deal with congress. It's a disaster on both side. Now we have an United government, trump has one chance and the best chance ever. He'd better do good for the people in America. People elected him for this very reason.

Protestors are just a sad demonstration of ignorance. It's a done deal now. In order to impeach him you need congress and Supreme Court.

This is true. However, American people have a right to protest. Peacefully. If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.

Protesting just to get a day off work, taking it out on others, and tearing up sh*t - THATS ignorant.

We had a rabbit like you
11-10-2016, 08:36 AM
Omg I'm reading people (kids mostly) are actually killing themselves over this!! PlZ don't do that over an orange Cheeto!! That saddens me so much. There was hate and bigotry in this world long before trump, teach your kids not to be bigoted assholes and call it out and be kind. If everyone fought it with that the world would change so fast. All this violence freaks me out.

Marina Starr
11-10-2016, 08:37 AM
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baer45
11-10-2016, 08:43 AM
This is true. However, American people have a right to protest. Peacefully. If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.

Protesting just to get a day off work and tearing up sh*t - THATS ignorant.


People are holding signs say" not my president" "impeach Trump". I can't tell you how much I hate hillary right now. If it's not because this power greedy person, we won't need to gamble with trump. We would have bernie who is a gentleman with lots of integrity and decency.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922242/Bernie-Sanders-says-ll-work-Trump-help-working-people.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3923226/Plot-impeach-President-Trump-begun.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3921988/White-House-open-minute-Clinton-pardon-Obama-hasn-t-charged-crime.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922140/Death-dynasty-rotten-core-40-years-sex-lies-scandals-Clintons-leave-public-life-beset-crushing-humiliation.html

miss.a.p1600
11-10-2016, 08:52 AM
Yeah. I think people who Donald ranted against are reacting - which is normal.

If you or your family are a part of the groups he said he would send back, deport, or cast aside you might have the same reaction. It's not easy hearing a man saying and doing these things in the press then accepting him as a leader.

Regardless though, As long as people come together for something positive, rather than act out in a negative way that harms others, then everything will be all good.

I though Bernie would have been a viable candidate as well but I don't understand why he didn't make farther?

baer45
11-10-2016, 08:57 AM
I though Bernie would have been a viable candidate as well but I don't understand why he didn't make farther?

Because Hillary has DNC help her to rig the system. There are many leaked phone recordings that shows DNC top officials did everything they can to shut bernie down.

“Bernie needs to be ground to a pulp. We can’t start believing our own primary bullshit. This is no time to run the general. Crush him as hard as you can,” Johnson (former Bill Clinton senior adviser) said in an email in February this year.

Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman) responded by saying that he “agrees with that in principle,” asking Johnson where he would like “to stick the knife in.”

baer45
11-10-2016, 09:08 AM
American people have a right to protest. Peacefully. If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.
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agree.

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 09:30 AM
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MissMoore
11-10-2016, 09:33 AM
Donald Trumps upset victory is mind blowing to me.... but we should give him a chance now. Obama, Hilary, Elizabeth Warren, etc all have graciously accepted his win and even have offered to help him.

Hopefully he will turn out to good President... maybe even a great one. If Donald Trump does turn out to be a good President... we all win. If Donald Trump does an awful job.... it's still a win for most of us.... because we can say.... we told ya so. lol

fbsmgirl
11-10-2016, 09:54 AM
People are nuts. He is the elected president and accept it and move on. If God really bless us, he will do lots of good things for us. No one, no one had the chance he has right now. With congress and Supreme Court on his side, he literally can do anything he planned to achieve. Obama was never given this type of chance and also because he was not willing to strike a deal with congress. It's a disaster on both side. Now we have an United government, trump has one chance and the best chance ever. He'd better do good for the people in America. People elected him for this very reason.

Protestors are just a sad demonstration of ignorance. It's a done deal now. In order to impeach him you need congress and Supreme Court.

Racism, Xenophobia, Bigotry and Misogyny won the election so NO, we CANNOT "just move on".
Not when this country is home to people of ALL nationalities. People are afraid for good reason. This man is going to elect a Supreme Court justice and has control of both the house and the senate.He is the most powerful man in the world right now. If you're a woman (think Roe v Wade), If you're a member of the LGBT community (think marriage equality), if you're a immigrant (think DACA), you have a lot to worry about. Let's not forget to mention the Muslim-American families that are afraid to leave their homes right now. If nothing else, the results of this election have shown the true character of America.

Oh and the notion that a man that has railroaded the average joe for years all the sudden cares about the working class is laughable BUT I will pray for him. I will pray that he has a change of heart because not supporting the president is the same as wanting the plane you're on to crash. We SHOULD all be in this together. I'll cross my fingers.

Marina Starr
11-10-2016, 10:18 AM
Thank you for sharing, whirlez!

I'm not going to get mad, I'm just gonna smile and collect that conversative money by raising my prices for those in the 53% :)
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We had a rabbit like you
11-10-2016, 10:41 AM
Grr the ppl online! As much as I hate trump and truly know he is an entitled rapist sexually assaulting monster..hillary has defended rapists and stood against the lgbt community all along up until recently. Nothing makes me more angry than when either side brings up the sexual assaults commited by trump/Clinton without mentioning that the other sides were accused of the very same thing. I hate seeing sexual assault victims used to further either sides corrupt agendas. These politicans are all elitist pig trash and they're buddies w each other and Epstein, a known pedophile and sex offender. Both are flip floppers and cons.

This country stood no chance since they turned their back on Bernie.im so angry about that. To all the people who smirked and smugly said "well, Bernie never would have gotten elected, Clinton is our only chance" LOOK WHERE YOU GOT US FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS!!
Ok sorry I should go on a walk and stop posting lmao.

slowpoke
11-10-2016, 10:46 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-college-educated-americans-are-out-of-touch/

fbsmgirl
11-10-2016, 11:21 AM
Thank you for sharing, whirlez!

I'm not going to get mad, I'm just gonna smile and collect that conversative money by raising my prices for those in the 53% :)
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That's exactly what I plan to do.

Djoser
11-10-2016, 11:22 AM
Maybe the mods will make an exception for this one this one time.

Yes. And so far it's been pretty benign. If we get more complaints (1 so far), it will be closed. Politics really have proven--over and over--to be be divisive and disruptive in this forum. Thus there is a damned good reason for that rule.

Just be cool.



Guard your pussy!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Best post yet!



To those of you who might be upset about this historic Upset, try to look on the bright side. Four years of golden opportunity for the world of comedy. Alec Baldwin is likely to become rich as Trump...

;D

LoveyDovey
11-10-2016, 11:28 AM
OT but... I'm VERY happy about the marijuana laws changing in California! Yay!

baer45
11-10-2016, 11:32 AM
This country stood no chance since they turned their back on Bernie.im so angry about that. To all the people who smirked and smugly said "well, Bernie never would have gotten elected, Clinton is our only chance" LOOK WHERE YOU GOT US FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS!!
Ok sorry I should go on a walk and stop posting lmao.

Bernie was facing a totally rigged DNC system. Hillary has kidnapped the whole Democratic Party. The super delegates, the democratic establishment... Then the people you mentioned above... We all have too deal with the consequences of Hillary's greediness.

alice_island
11-10-2016, 11:37 AM
a dancer on here has posted some concerns regarding work, and i agree with her. i am concerned that customers will become waaay more out of line in the clubs. i can't be the only dancer thinking this? i'm already reading posts from people on my fb about poor treatment they are encountering since this election.

baer45
11-10-2016, 11:55 AM
The electoral college vote "all or nothing" has to be changed. They should dividd the electoral college votes proportionally. I am sure there are some people in Texas wanted hillary and some people in California wanted Trump. Will they do that? I doubt it. Both parties want it remain the current way so some time it can work magically for their own interests.

Eric Stoner
11-10-2016, 12:08 PM
As long as we have been granted the latitude :

So far , the best analyses of why Hillary LOST ( and she lost more than Trump won imho ) can be boiled down to a much lower turn-out for her than for Obama. Just look at his vote totals vs. hers ? Why ? A BIG reason , not the only one but a big reason is revealed in the Wikileaks e-mails : The way Debbie Wasserman Schultz , Donna Brazile and the rest of the DNC conspired with a few useful idiots in the media to help her beat Bernie Sanders. Bernie's voters were able to read those e-mails and a lot of them were pissed. Now if you look at states that Trump won like Ohio , Pennsylvania and Wisconsin there were a lot of working class votes that would have gone to Bernie. Those voters either stayed home or voted for Trump. Trump echoed a lot of the protectionist and pro worker rhetoric that they had heard from Bernie and that Hillary never bothered with.

Couple that with increased Obamacare premiums and the e-mail and Clinton Foundation scandals and it is clear why SHE LOST. And she lost fair and square. She won 20 states plus D.C. Trump won 30. She did win the popular vote by about 200,000 votes . Compare that to Obama's margins over McCain and Romney .

The biggest reason Obama won in 2008 and 2012 was Barack Obama. He is great campaigner and had an excellent campaign staff. Without him on the ballot as in 2010 and 2014 the Dems got clobbered. Since Obama took office the Dems have lost over 3,000 Governorships , Senate seats , House seats and seats in State legislatures.

While I do not like Hillary I did feel sorry for her. It must have been devastating to wake up Tuesday morning thinking you were going to win ; everyone saying you were going to win ; the exit polls looked great and then as the returns came in it was pretty clear pretty soon she was in trouble. With Trump it was apparently the opposite. He expected to lose . In a close election but all the tea leaves were saying he would fall short. It wasn't until about 9:30 that things perked up and his camp realized he could win. And both of them have been very gracious. So has Obama and he is definitely not a happy camper because he knows that every single one of his Executive Orders can be cancelled out by Trump signing an Executive Order. The Dems were warned that what was good for the goose would be good for the gander and that a Republican President would use the same latitude that Obama did. Remember when he said he could not change Immigration Policy with just a "stroke of his pen" ? And then a year or two later he did just that. And Trump has an unassailable Constitutional argument that what he is doing is perfectly proper because he is simply undoing Obama's unconstitutional overreaching. The Dems are also kicking themselves for changing the Filibuster Rule on Presidential appointments. A simple majority is all that is needed ; not 60 votes.

The bottom line is that a number of very smart people have been telling the Dems for years NOT to nominate Hillary. Too many negatives - too many lies - too much stonewalling - too much insider and corrupt dealing with The Clinton Foundation - too old - too sick ( she is NOT a well woman ) - too detached . Well they did in a rigged process that was designed and implemented to coronate her. As a result they alienated a good part of their own base and they lost.

Eric Stoner
11-10-2016, 12:18 PM
The electoral college vote "all or nothing" has to be changed. They should dividd the electoral college votes proportionally. I am sure there are some people in Texas wanted hillary and some people in California wanted Trump. Will they do that? I doubt it. Both parties want it remain the current way so some time it can work magically for their own interests.

Hmmmm. If you do away with the Electoral College altogether then an election can be won by winning just 10 or 11 states.

Some have proposed that we all adopt the Maine model and award Electoral votes by Congressional District. If a state has 3 C.D. 's ( and a total of 5 Electoral votes ) and let's say Hillary won in two then she would get the two extra Electoral votes. Every state gets one Electoral vote per Congressional District and two for its Senate Seats. Thus Wisconsin gets 10 votes - 8 C.D. 's plus two Senate seats. If they each won 4 C.D.'s in Wisconsin then they would each get one extra vote. A drawback is if you like the gerrymandering that we have now, State Legislatures and Governors will go nuts redrawing districts to maximize the chances of their candidate winning it. Still, it is not a horrible idea and it's worth thinking about and discussing.

Nyla19
11-10-2016, 12:21 PM
The Australian Daily Telegraph's cover said WTF the day after Trump won the election.

Vyanka
11-10-2016, 12:27 PM
All this violence freaks me out.

Ditto. The last area I was living in, kkk members were placing letters in front of ppl's houses. I'm glad I was out before that happened. If they saw my last name on my mail box I'd probably would've been fucked since I was pretty much the only Latin woman on that area.

Just scary as fuck how these ppl are coming out so aggressively.

rickdugan
11-10-2016, 12:32 PM
^^ Everything that Eric just said IMHO. This certainly wasn't about racism. The working class voters that Trump peeled away from the Dems were voted for a black President just four years earlier. I'll leave the misogyny claims alone, but either enough women didn't see it the way it was being spun in the media or they disliked Clinton so much that they held their noses and voted for Trump anyway.

At the end of the day, Clinton lost because she was a bad candidate that very few liked or trusted. Even with enormous spending - over double what Trump spent - and with a press that did everything that it could to support her and attack her opponent (even going so far as to coordinate with her campaign), she still couldn't beat one of the most vulnerable candidates that the Republicans have fielded in years. If the blame lies anywhere, it is with the DNC, who crowned her as the Dem candidate long before the primaries even started. If either party had fielded a stronger candidate in the general election, I believe that the party that did so would have won handily.

Nyla19
11-10-2016, 12:38 PM
Ditto. The last area I was living in, kkk members were placing letters in front of ppl's houses. I'm glad I was out before that happened. If they saw my last name on my mail box I'd probably would've been fucked since I was pretty much the only Latin woman on that area.

Just scary as fuck how these ppl are coming out so aggressively.


I will definitely be a target too. Because of my ethnicity. And I also want to add that his last name is really DRUMPF. To all those who don't know that. Just a bit of trivia.

BobbleHead
11-10-2016, 12:38 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-college-educated-americans-are-out-of-touch/

Nailed it. Much like the elitist politicians, members of the media and religious right the overwhelming majority of professors and student bases of American universities are out of touch. They either don't understand other viewpoints because they are insulated from most of them (due to the lack of diversity in the educators) or worse they dismiss opposing views as racist or bigoted based solely on the color of the skin of a group of voters. I don't think any of that changes any time soon but I think it really helps explain the shock and awe we are seeing from them now.

If you want to reply to my comment please read the article first as I am just reiterating the point.

Vyanka
11-10-2016, 12:41 PM
I will definitely be a target too. Because of my ethnicity. And I also want to add that his last name is really DRUMPF. To all those who don't know that. Just a bit of trivia.

Hopefully not. It just sucks having to feel like that.

baer45
11-10-2016, 12:43 PM
Hmmmm. If you do away with the Electoral College altogether then an election can be won by winning just 10 or 11 states.

Some have proposed that we all adopt the Maine model and award Electoral votes by Congressional District. If a state has 3 C.D. 's ( and a total of 5 Electoral votes ) and let's say Hillary won in two then she would get the two extra Electoral votes. Every state gets one Electoral vote per Congressional District and two for its Senate Seats. Thus Wisconsin gets 10 votes - 8 C.D. 's plus two Senate seats. If they each won 4 C.D.'s in Wisconsin then they would each get one extra vote. A drawback is if you like the gerrymandering that we have now State Legislatures and Governors will go nuts redrawing districts to maximize the chances of their candidate winning it. Still, it is not a horrible idea and it's worth thinking about and discussing.

Out of the curiosity, I created a spreadsheet to calculate what the result will be if the electoral college votes are divided proportionally. It ended up that Hillary has exactly 270 votes and Trump has 268.

Note: The forumla I used in this spreadsheet as follow:
=ROUND(popular votes 1/(popular votes 1+popular votes 2)*total electoral college votes of that state)
The source data come from google (the 2016 election result).

https://s14.postimg.org/xoxyqy9kh/sheets.jpg

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 12:58 PM
From mic.com

“Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us ... sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won't give them that and neither will you. Here's what we'll do... we'll fucking fight. ... We're not powerless and we're not voiceless.”
— Aaron Sorkin in a powerful letter to his daughter about Trump’s victory

baer45
11-10-2016, 01:04 PM
If we focus on how we as a nation can come together and reduce the divisive nature of politics. one of the central themes we hear over and over is how the people who don't agree with us are evil, racist, stupid etc. etc. I believe that a lot can be learned from Jonathan Haidt and his understanding of morals and politics and how we can approach politics. His 2008 and 2016 talks are essential.

Jonathan Haidt studies how — and why — we evolved to be moral and political creatures.
https://www.ted.com/speakers/jonathan_haidt

Marina Starr
11-10-2016, 01:05 PM
If you want the Electoral College to make Hillary Clinton president on December 19th here's your last chance:

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?recruiter=2202791&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_sponsor_thank_you-no_msg

Omegaphallic
11-10-2016, 01:07 PM
He may have won the battle, but he put off every single minority. I'm devastated and heartbroken but not much left to do but see what happens... God help us all.

Trump actually did better then Mitt Romney with minorities, maybe George W Bush as well. 12% African American Men, 4% African American Women, 33% Latino male 26% Latino Women.

Trump he got 52% of White Women.

Don't shoot the messager, I'm Canadian, according to polls, 7% of us would vote for Trump, even more African Americans support Trump then Canadians. I didn't like him, although I like his hot daughter and hot daughter alot more, just saying Melanie is the hottest first lady ever, and Ivanka the hottest first daughter (is that a thing?).

All I got to say otherwise is WELCOME TO CANADA LADIES!!! ;D

Omegaphallic
11-10-2016, 01:20 PM
I will definitely be a target too. Because of my ethnicity. And I also want to add that his last name is really DRUMPF. To all those who don't know that. Just a bit of trivia.

You could move to Canada! All of you hot stripper ladies are welcome in Canada! We have hot coco, maple surup, hockey, beaver tails (its a dessert), poutine, colourful plastic money you can see thru.universal healthcare, gay marriage,

Especially the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) Canada's Wonderland, CN Tower, Sky Dome, Ripley's Aqurium, Casa Loma, Midevil Times, Multicultural, Kensington Market, Lake Ontario, ect...

So come to Canada hot ladies, we are 100% Trump free, we even almost banned him.

This was brought to you by the Canadian Immigration Department (kidding).

laurielegs
11-10-2016, 01:45 PM
This is interesting:

https://www.change.org/p/the-538-members-of-the-u-s-electoral-college-electoral-college-members-please-save-us-from-donald-trump

Hillary Clinton actually received more votes than Trump did, even though he came out ahead in the Electoral College tally.

But the Electoral College has not actually voted yet, and that vote is what ultimately elects the president. What many people don't realize is that they could still change who becomes the next president! An ABC News story reports:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/electoral-college-rogue-electors-43323385

As explained in the above article, 21 states do not require their Electors to vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged, and indeed one Clinton Elector from Washington has already announced he will not vote for her!

With the votes of 270 Electors needed to make him president, Trump has been reported as having between 279 and 290 pledged, and Clinton between 218 and 228, with 31 still up for grabs as Michigan, New Hampshire, and Arizona were still too close to call.


I signed both, may not help but worth a try.

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 02:12 PM
Scary:
https://mic.com/articles/159070/alt-right-donald-trump-victory-celebration-racist-pepe-memes-anti-semitism-white-surpremacy-4chan-8chan-reddit?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social#.Qm8TR2ucA

baer45
11-10-2016, 02:20 PM
I signed both, may not help but worth a try.

Very unlikely if obama and hillary have accepted the result in front of the world already.

slowpoke
11-10-2016, 03:23 PM
Nah, the middle class money is gone. Used to be middle class people are still here. Anxious and hopeless.

I figured for a long time they were there, disenchanted and not participating.. It appears that was the case.

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 04:34 PM
Well, maybe they won't be down much longer.

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 04:45 PM
Inner peace begins the moment you choose not to allow another person or event to control your emotions
— Pema Chodron

whirlerz
11-10-2016, 04:56 PM
https://mic.com/articles/159106/protesters-swarm-trump-buildings-across-the-u-s-the-night-of-his-presidential-win?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social#.rEwZ8p64o

lynn2009
11-10-2016, 05:03 PM
I have heard a couple times now that the college educated are out of touch. That is good to know. Here I was busy living the high life and not caring about other people.

BobbleHead
11-10-2016, 05:19 PM
I have heard a couple times now that the college educated are out of touch. That is good to know. Here I was busy living the high life and not caring about other people.

I don't know about the college educated as my statement was about those still in school being encapsulated in a bubble where liberal thinking is the only thing they are taught. There really isn't much political diversity in American universities. Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule. Once people get out of that and into the "real world" they experience a more diverse political culture and often change their views.

And it isn't that they don't care about other people, it's that they tend to think only one way is the right way. I mean if you read that article it says how many professors identify themselves as liberal. We talk about diversity a lot but when the ones doing the teaching aren't diverse how can the students really be expected to have diverse points of view?

luna93
11-10-2016, 05:43 PM
Yes, but simply voting for a racist doesn't make you a white supremacist. He got 53 million votes, and 50 million of those voters are white supremacists? Comparing the 2012 and 2016 ballots in the deciding states (PA, MI, WI), ~690k more people voted Obama than Clinton, while the total votes cast in these three states remained about the same (~13.4 million in 2012, ~13.6 million in 2016). It means people changed support for their party, and it's unlikely that within four years they suddenly became white supremacists. It's not logical to write off these particular voters' displeasure with the last eight years as racism. You really can't imagine a voter putting aside offensive comments for their projection of a better future in other aspects?

If you voted for trump, you voted for white supremacy. All of his supporters are absolutely racist and to think otherwise is incredibly harmful.

eagle2
11-10-2016, 05:46 PM
It does look like she will win the popular vote by a proverbial hair. But the electoral college system still exists for a reason, which is to give the populations of very small states a voice in the general election. In its absence, a handful of states with large populations or even a handful of the largest cities would be able to dictate policy for the entire country. Each state has its own identity and culture and the system ensures that each one has at least a small voice, though the big states still get the lion's share of the electoral college votes. Hillary only took 20 states plus DC, which means that a majority of the population in 30 states voted against her.

But with the electoral college, red states and blue states don't get much attention. The candidates focus exclusively on a small number of swing states. Texas and California are the two most populous states in the country, and I don't think either candidate even bothered to make a campaign stop in either state, except maybe to fund-raise.

Given how evenly divided we are, if we went by popular vote, candidates would have to focus on every state, big and small, to get every single vote they possibly can. There was less than one percent difference between the two candidates this year. Ignoring a few small states could easily be the difference between winning and losing.

It is possible we might go to a popular vote in the near future. A number of states have passed laws that would give all of their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote, and the laws will go into effect when enough states pass laws like this to make up more than 50 percent of the electoral college.

eagle2
11-10-2016, 05:55 PM
Hmmmm. If you do away with the Electoral College altogether then an election can be won by winning just 10 or 11 states.


Not really, because no candidate is going to win 100 percent of the vote of an entire state. Even in most of the liberal and conservative states, neither candidate got much higher than 60 percent. Wyoming and District of Columbia were the only states/districts where one of the candidates got 70 percent or higher.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president