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gameover
01-05-2017, 07:45 PM
^^^ETA exactly.



That's not really an issue to me. But that's also not what we were all talking about.

Well, it seemed like some of the responses were upset at the fact that he pursued dancers who didn't do OTC. I was just saying, I think those are fair game.

miss.a.p1600
01-05-2017, 07:46 PM
No, but they do get upset when you move on to a new dancer.

That what I think was part of the problem. Rick Dugans might not be clear to them that it's just p4p and possibly stringing them along like he's their sugar daddy or something more.

He probably cuts them off cold after developing this ongoing "rapport", satisfying his carnal desires, then comes back to the same club and hustles their coworkers right under their nose.

Thats why I asked were these girls all working the same club together.

gameover
01-05-2017, 07:51 PM
That what I think was part of the problem. Rick Dugans might not be clear to them that it's just p4p and possibly stringing them along like he's their sugar daddy

I agree he should be clear if it's P4P or SD. But if he was treating them as an SD, and compensating them that way, I don't think he is required to continue that indefinitely, beyond any commitments he may have promised. Sugar daddies also have expiration dates.

gameover
01-05-2017, 07:55 PM
That what I think was part of the problem. Rick Dugans might not be clear to them that it's just p4p and possibly stringing them along like he's their sugar daddy or something more.

He probably cuts them off cold after developing this ongoing "rapport", satisfying his carnal desires, then comes back to the same club and hustles their coworkers right under their nose.

Thats why I asked were these girls all working the same club together.

Hmm, I see your point. That might explain the crying. If that's what he's doing, that's pretty cold-blooded.

gameover
01-05-2017, 08:09 PM
True. Do you think there would be conflict if your otc partners knew you suddenly dropped them for their coworkers? Like I'm curious about the element of jealousy. Some men seem to get a thrill out of women fighting to keep them and competing over them.

And Do you find the women from the same club?

I normally have a favorite club where I find most of my OTC. The thing is, turnover in clubs is pretty high, so that helps some. I'm not sure what jealously happens behind the scenes. What I normally see is the one I moved on from making a play to keep me seeing her. Sometimes that works and I'll split my time between them. Other times, I may have moved on for a reason, so I keep a clean cut off.

I think during my ITC screening, I can tell if the dancer is prone to cattiness (e.g. talking about other dancers). I usually avoid those. I don't want or need the drama.

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 08:30 PM
OK, this is getting a little silly now. Anyone who thinks that taking a dancer OTC is riskier than hiring some anonymous chick from a web ad clearly doesn't know what she/he is talking about. Anyone who thinks otherwise should spend a little time on monger sites reading about the shit that these guys go through just to blow a load. I've gone the other route a handful of times over the years and it sucks, at least for me. It is a crap shoot every time one dials up a new girl, with everything on the table from grab and dash to bait and switch to old pics to drugged out girls to poor service to pimps hanging close by to LE stings to any number of other potential problems.

The occasional shit that I encounter in taking strippers OTC pales in comparison to the nonsense that they deal with. It also has the added huge benefits of: (1) discretion, since the girls I take out are not plastered all over escort sites and, hence, are not on anyone's radar; and (2) ensuring that I am not one of several served that day, especially since I don't take girls OTC who work in heavy extras clubs. When I leave a club with a favorite. I have zero worries about LE, I know exactly what I am getting and I usually have a much greater chance of a good encounter that those dudes who dial up these anonymous girls. I will never trade what I do to operate like escort mongers do, always worrying about countless different things. No gracias.

miss.a.p1600
01-05-2017, 09:02 PM
Wow rick dugans! 2200+ views 100+ replies just to ask for input you're not going to do anything with. New Years, new criers.

What's ya email address so I can send you an invoice in the email for consulting services?

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 09:10 PM
Actually miss, I received a lot of great feedback on here that I am considering very carefully. Unfortunately this thread went off the rails some time back.

miss.a.p1600
01-05-2017, 09:11 PM
That what happens when you go 5 pages deep. Multiple mini convos. It didn't seem too off topic too me.

whirlerz
01-05-2017, 09:15 PM
O, the probs of the modern man, why can't I find a human blow up doll to 'blow my load' in, that won't cause me ANY irritations?
So, we're silly now?
& you ask advice of silly people?
Wow, just wow.
Ok, I know I'm not waiting for my latest conquest to finish his drugs, & deal w/pimps like you mentioned.
Well, like I said, good luck.

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:24 PM
RD,
While I agree with you on many of these points about the dangers of going with low-end escorts, you should really take the answer "no" the first time around. Then you won't have girls crying after being with you out of necessity.
I would love to see what the guys over on TUSCL are saying about this very thread. Did you cross-post it over there like you usually do?

miss.a.p1600
01-05-2017, 09:36 PM
Those guys are hardcore and they're bottom feeders so most times their opinions are worthless. However the guys do go ham on rick Dugan over there on tuscl. I won't repeat the names I've seen them call him but they have questioned his manhood https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=47251

Oh and ricks savage otc hustle explained. https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=31127

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:36 PM
Beautiful variation of this thread on that site, lmao. Truly. Honestly.

BobbleHead
01-05-2017, 09:40 PM
That what I think was part of the problem. Rick Dugans might not be clear to them that it's just p4p and possibly stringing them along like he's their sugar daddy or something more.

He probably cuts them off cold after developing this ongoing "rapport", satisfying his carnal desires, then comes back to the same club and hustles their coworkers right under their nose.

Thats why I asked were these girls all working the same club together.

That would explain the emotion if it were true. From his other posts I would be surprised if that was his m.o. though.

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 09:43 PM
RD,
While I agree with you on many of these points about the dangers of going with low-end escorts, you should really take the answer "no" the first time around. Then you won't have girls crying after being with you out of necessity.
I would love to see what the guys over on TUSCL are saying about this very thread. Did you cross-post it over there like you usually do?

I did not cross post it. Frankly, I doubt that most of the responses I would have seen from that bunch would have been very useful.

But I do want to be clear about something. I do not hard sell girls that I take OTC. I just try to make it very easy for them to say yes. This includes these girls, who continued to approach me even after they initially said no on previous visits. It's difficult to adequately outline all of the nuances of these interactions in a discussion like this, but suffice it to say that these were evolving situations with active participants on both sides. Now maybe none of that excuses the predatory nature of some of what I do, especially on the timing front, but I really didn't expect reactions like this. I never had these problems in northeast clubs with the Italian, Russian and Latina girls that I used to do the same thing with, nor did I experience any of the other problems that I have run into down here. I won't pretend to understand why things are so different now, but there it is.

Anyway, thanks for all of your input throughout this thread. You and many others have given me some things to chew on.

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:50 PM
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=45378

https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=46803


"September 23, 2016 • I too am becoming concerned that Rick Dugan's System might indeed involve taking advantage of strip club dancers who are in bad straights. Just so many threads which seem to indicate that.

SJG"


Well, we aren't the only ones that said it..

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 09:51 PM
Interesting miss. What exactly was the purpose in cross posting that first troll thread? Sadly, a troll has taken it upon himself to follow me around the site and has dedicated in excess of 2,000 posts to me. Fortunately the site has an ignore feature, which I use fairly liberally nowadays.

And the second thread does not make anything I posted inconsistent. It is three years old and I was having a fine time in that club at that moment. It is not very relevant to the discussion we are having today, nor is there anything posted there that one could consider "savage."

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:52 PM
I did not cross post it. Frankly, I doubt that most of the responses I would have seen from that bunch would have been very useful.

But I do want to be clear about something. I do not hard sell girls that I take OTC. I just try to make it very easy for them to say yes. This includes these girls, who continued to approach me even after they initially said no on previous visits. It's difficult to adequately outline all of the nuances of these interactions in a discussion like this, but suffice it to say that these were evolving situations with active participants on both sides. Now maybe none of that excuses the predatory nature of some of what I do, especially on the timing front, but I really didn't expect reactions like this. I never had these problems in northeast clubs with the Italian, Russian and Latina girls that I used to do the same thing with, nor did I experience any of the other problems that I have run into down here. I won't pretend to understand why things are so different now, but there it is.

Anyway, thanks for all of your input throughout this thread. You and many others have given me some things to chew on.

No problem :) I'm not sure where down "here" is but I imagine girls in NYC have higher living expenses and thus may be more "okay" with doing OTC or ITC extras than someplace that has cheap rent, etc.

BobbleHead
01-05-2017, 09:52 PM
RD,
While I agree with you on many of these points about the dangers of going with low-end escorts, you should really take the answer "no" the first time around.

If I understood him correctly he did take no the first time around and left it there. I think he said they approached him later and brought it up again wanting to do it when they needed the money. So I would say if anything he needs to take the answer no the first time around and not take the answer yes the second time around.

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:55 PM
"October 8, 2016 • After missing Friday shifts due to weather and power outages, there have to be some hungry strippers right now in NE and central Florida. Even better, with so many guys who still have more pressing issues to manage (such as guys with families who have no power or those dealing with cleanup), I am wondering if conditions are ripe for new OTC engagements or even dicier ITC activities. For those of you who can get to clubs in affected areas, I suspect that tonight could be interesting."
-Rick Dugan TUSCL

Come on Rick, this is a predatory way to do OTC. There are girls that WILL do it. You don't need to wait till they're in a financial bind to snake your way in there. You're better than this. But, at least you feel guilty.

arielbriel
01-05-2017, 09:56 PM
If I understood him correctly he did take no the first time around and left it there. I think he said they approached him later and brought it up again wanting to do it when they needed the money. So I would say if anything he needs to take the answer no the first time around and not take the answer yes the second time around.

That's exactly what I meant. Agreed.

whirlerz
01-05-2017, 10:02 PM
Someone beat me if I go near this thread again.
Thank you.
:beat::argue::computer:

DonaDiabla
01-05-2017, 10:04 PM
Actually, Rick, I found your methods to be a bit icy for many strippers. However, I believe that next time you need to find a few ladies that can meet your match at the strip club. Pick ladies who have the experience and pose to handle your iciness. Remember many women will not like a very icy and cold tone. Also, maybe you should clarified if these arrangements are either p4p or sugar daddy/sugar baby? Also, make sure that you do not make feel rejected if you do not like their OTC skills. Maybe you should also be more engaging with them during OTC. Just remember, strippers are not personal sexbots but humans with emotions and thoughts. :) This my two cents on this matter.


Actually miss, I received a lot of great feedback on here that I am considering very carefully. Unfortunately this thread went off the rails some time back.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 10:05 PM
Omg this is cracking me up. I would be scandalized............if it wasn't for the fact that this dude had my skin crawling from the gate. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

miss.a.p1600
01-05-2017, 10:06 PM
That first one possible troll thread yes but that second thread is very relevant.

That past tuscl thread Shows you doing the same currently:
1) getting p4p action dirt cheap like mentioned earlier when you claim it cost more than an escort when it does not
2) you know those women aren't going to talk amongst themselves so if you behave unsavory there is nothing they can do. Who are they going to tell??? They can't be like hey ladies rick Dugans acted like a douche toward me girl avoid him. Hence one reason why you prefer this set up over the checks and balances of the escort world
3) you are aware the women get attached to you when you said "it creates ownership issues in the club"

Lol @ you "stroking" the managers

DonaDiabla
01-05-2017, 10:11 PM
Oh Rick, I wanted to add that your favorites in the northeast clubs might have been used to your tone and actions. This could be a cultural thing as well. However, I believe in your new city...they might not be used to your icy demeanor. They might think that you do not like them and it hurt their feelings. Just be more gentle at your new club :)



I did not cross post it. Frankly, I doubt that most of the responses I would have seen from that bunch would have been very useful.

But I do want to be clear about something. I do not hard sell girls that I take OTC. I just try to make it very easy for them to say yes. This includes these girls, who continued to approach me even after they initially said no on previous visits. It's difficult to adequately outline all of the nuances of these interactions in a discussion like this, but suffice it to say that these were evolving situations with active participants on both sides. Now maybe none of that excuses the predatory nature of some of what I do, especially on the timing front, but I really didn't expect reactions like this. I never had these problems in northeast clubs with the Italian, Russian and Latina girls that I used to do the same thing with, nor did I experience any of the other problems that I have run into down here. I won't pretend to understand why things are so different now, but there it is.

Anyway, thanks for all of your input throughout this thread. You and many others have given me some things to chew on.

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 10:17 PM
That first one possible troll thread yes but that second thread is very relevant.

That past tuscl thread Shows you doing the same currently:
1) getting p4p action dirt cheap like mentioned earlier as to why claim it cost more than an escort when it does not

That comment was a comparison to OTC costs in the northeast, not the cost of escorts here. Guys are getting escorts here for $100 to 150 here, which is certainly less than I pay strippers here to go OTC

2) you know those women aren't going to talk amongst themselves so if you behave unsavory there is nothing they can do. Who are they going to tell??? They can't be like hey ladies rick Dugan fucked me over girl avoid him. Hence one reason why you prefer this set up over the checks and balances of the escort world

Here you go again with these "checks and balances" comments. See previous post on the topic.

3) you are aware the women get attached to you when you said "it creates ownership issues in the club"

This was not what was happening here.

Lol @ you "stroking" the managers. Seriously now.

Again, out of context. My responses are above.

gameover
01-05-2017, 10:20 PM
Those guys are hardcore and they're bottom feeders so most times their opinions are worthless. However the guys do go ham on rick Dugan over there on tuscl. I won't repeat the names I've seen them call him but they have questioned his manhood https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=47251

Oh and ricks savage otc hustle explained. https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=31127

Ouch, they are pretty brutal over there. I think I'd change my handle. Thanks for the links. Gave me a smile. :)

Djoser
01-05-2017, 10:22 PM
Well, I'm probably not the one who should speak to this, but men have been F'n us over since the dawn of time (& yea, vice versa)..

This right here. Thanks for including the vice versa.

The business is predatory. To an extraordinary degree.

gameover
01-05-2017, 10:25 PM
That first one possible troll thread yes but that second thread is very relevant.

That past tuscl thread Shows you doing the same currently:
1) getting p4p action dirt cheap like mentioned earlier when you claim it cost more than an escort when it does not
2) you know those women aren't going to talk amongst themselves so if you behave unsavory there is nothing they can do. Who are they going to tell??? They can't be like hey ladies rick Dugans acted like a douche toward me girl avoid him. Hence one reason why you prefer this set up over the checks and balances of the escort world
3) you are aware the women get attached to you when you said "it creates ownership issues in the club"

Lol @ you "stroking" the managers

You are on fire tonight miss :)

I'm not sure why he is even talking to managers. Never, ever had to do that to arrange an OTC.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 10:46 PM
"October 8, 2016 • After missing Friday shifts due to weather and power outages, there have to be some hungry strippers right now in NE and central Florida. Even better, with so many guys who still have more pressing issues to manage (such as guys with families who have no power or those dealing with cleanup), I am wondering if conditions are ripe for new OTC engagements or even dicier ITC activities. For those of you who can get to clubs in affected areas, I suspect that tonight could be interesting."
-Rick Dugan TUSCL

Come on Rick, this is a predatory way to do OTC. There are girls that WILL do it. You don't need to wait till they're in a financial bind to snake your way in there. You're better than this. But, at least you feel guilty.

Exactly. What a prince.

DeathAndTaxes
01-05-2017, 10:55 PM
Oh boy that site! for every yin there is a bitter yang, I miss the old days when real men bragged about attractive women wanting to have sex for free, now the bitter sphere is bragging about paying for it. Next thing you know they will be bragging about their right hand or sexbots.

rickdugan
01-05-2017, 10:57 PM
Omg this is cracking me up. I would be scandalized............if it wasn't for the fact that this dude had my skin crawling from the gate. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ok now G, since my activities have clearly grated against your very delicate sensitivities, as you have made quite clear in multiple snarky posts, then perhaps this could be your chance for contribute something other than goofy insults... :)

When you were dancing, would you have turned away a customer's money if he seemed hesitant to give it to you? What if you knew he was spending so much only because he was lonely and/or emotionally weak and couldn't seem to resist your hustle? Would you refuse his money if it took two or three tries to get it from him? What if you had reason to question whether he could really afford to spend it on you?

If your answers to those questions were NO, and I suspect that to be the case, then how was that brand of predatory behavior more noble than what I described here? I am legitimately curious about the thought processes of you and other ladies who choose to respond to this.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 11:04 PM
Ok now G, since my activities have clearly grated against your very delicate sensitivities, as you have made quite clear in multiple snarky posts, then perhaps this could be your chance for you to contribute something other than goofy insults... ;)

When you were dancing, would you have turned away a customer's money if he seemed hesitant to give it to you? What if you knew he was spending so much only because he was lonely and/or emotionally weak and couldn't seem to resist your hustle? Would you refuse his money if it took two or three tries to get it from him? What if you had reason to question whether he could really afford to spend it on you?

If your answers to those questions were NO, and I suspect that to be the case, then how was that brand of predatory behavior more noble than what I described here? I am legitimately curious about the thought processes of you and other ladies who choose to respond to this.

I'm flattered that you think I'm delicate, that's a first for me. But your questions are not applicable to me because I am not a hustler and have never been, I have always relied on guys who approach me and hand me money. I personally do not believe in having to convince someone to spend money on me, either you want to or you don't IMO. I'm the same on cam. And I also don't happen to approve of uber-manipulative stripper tactics. So nice try to turn things around on me again but no, I am not like you.

ScarletKitten
01-05-2017, 11:17 PM
When you were dancing, would you have turned away a customer's money if he seemed hesitant to give it to you? What if you knew he was spending so much only because he was lonely and/or emotionally weak and couldn't seem to resist your hustle? Would you refuse his money if it took two or three tries to get it from him? What if you had reason to question whether he could really afford to spend it on you?

If your answers to those questions were NO, and I suspect that to be the case, then how was that brand of predatory behavior more noble than what I described here? I am legitimately curious about the thought processes of you and other ladies who choose to respond to this.

The difference is that strippers don't intentionally "seek out" weak or poor men in order to make money. We go for the rich guys who are more than willing and happy to pay us for giving them a good time. The hesitant man takes too much time and energy to hustle. If I get a "no" from a guy, I move on. It's simple. If he seems too broke, I move on. As far as being emotionally "weak" to resist a hustle, I don't look at it that way. Men come to strip clubs to have a good time. If they are too weak to resist hustles, that's not really my problem, is it? Same thing applies to the shopaholic woman who goes into a clothing store and spends $1,000 on clothes. Would the store clerk stop and ask her, "Ma'am, are you sure you want to buy all this clothing? You seem to be in a frantic state and aren't making a rational decision." Fuck, no. The store clerk just rings her up, and that's that.

You, on the other hand, intentionally go after desperate strippers because you seem to get off to it, or because it's easier for you to get things out of them. That's the difference. But, hey, whatever man.

Why did you make this thread in the first place? In order to feel validated and told that you shouldn't feel guilty? Or to just complain and rant about emotional strippers? If you feel any guilt whatsoever, just stop going after desperate strippers. If you don't feel any guilt at all, then keep doing what you're doing, but stop complaining about the outcome. There are plenty of men out there just like you. Strippers come across all kinds of types sooner or later....and strip club customers will come across all types of strippers sooner or later as well. It is what it is. I think you should just let this go.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 11:24 PM
The difference is that strippers don't intentionally "seek out" weak or poor men in order to make money.

Agreed. I mean, if you are the kind of stripper who purposely gets men as incoherently drunk as possible so you can get them to do things with their credit cards that in their proper state of mind they would never do, then I would put them in the OP's camp. But strippers going around trying to sell their company and lapdances in a club that exists specifically for that purpose to men that are in there knowing that that's its purpose? There is no comparison to be made to the OP's methodology IMO.

BobbleHead
01-05-2017, 11:31 PM
Rick seems a little more "himself" on that other site which is understandable. I think going back to the original question maybe you are getting a little too cold about these girls. Honestly, kudos to you if you started this thread legitimately to get insight to your question and use it to be a "better person" or more sympathetic. The one that stuck out to me is in the hotel after the deed. Unlesss this girl is using that regret (?) as a hustle it's pretty cold to not feel some sympathy for her situation in THAT moment. And by cold I don't mean wrong, I just mean too detached from any real emotions at the time. It's a fine line to walk when you're trying to keep emotions out of the arrangement but when a situation like that happens and you believe it's genuine, you gotta feel something.

Gia2608
01-05-2017, 11:34 PM
Well this thread has inspired me. To smoke some weed. Then come back. In case anyone gives a shit I quit smoking week 13 years ago. Maybe my cousin has some edibles. No one leave.

ScarletKitten
01-05-2017, 11:38 PM
^LOL! This thread has stressed you out that much?? GURL.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 11:40 PM
^^Lol I have the opposite problem. I was drinking coffee after 9pm tonight SO I'M WIRED. I swear to God Starbuck's cold brew is like bath salts. And I love it.

ScarletKitten
01-05-2017, 11:51 PM
Damnit, now I want a Starbucks latte and weed.

Genoveve
01-05-2017, 11:55 PM
^^Yasssssssssssss girl.

Vyanka
01-06-2017, 12:25 AM
New Years, new criers
Haaaaaaa
:rotfl:

tookewl
01-06-2017, 06:26 AM
The business is predatory. To an extraordinary degree.

Doesn't make it acceptable nor some of the tactics used justifiable. On both sides.

whirlerz
01-06-2017, 08:18 AM
This thread (except the ladies)


47014

Kitcatt
01-06-2017, 08:39 AM
Who else is now going through Ricks comment history on TUSCL :wave:

whirlerz
01-06-2017, 09:36 AM
The difference is that strippers don't intentionally "seek out" weak or poor men in order to make money. We go for the rich guys who are more than willing and happy to pay us for giving them a good time. The hesitant man takes too much time and energy to hustle. If I get a "no" from a guy, I move on. It's simple. If he seems too broke, I move on. As far as being emotionally "weak" to resist a hustle, I don't look at it that way. Men come to strip clubs to have a good time. If they are too weak to resist hustles, that's not really my problem, is it? Same thing applies to the shopaholic woman who goes into a clothing store and spends $1,000 on clothes. Would the store clerk stop and ask her, "Ma'am, are you sure you want to buy all this clothing? You seem to be in a frantic state and aren't making a rational decision." Fuck, no. The store clerk just rings her up, and that's that.

You, on the other hand, intentionally go after desperate strippers because you seem to get off to it, or because it's easier for you to get things out of them. That's the difference. But, hey, whatever man.

Why did you make this thread in the first place? In order to feel validated and told that you shouldn't feel guilty? Or to just complain and rant about emotional strippers? If you feel any guilt whatsoever, just stop going after desperate strippers. If you don't feel any guilt at all, then keep doing what you're doing, but stop complaining about the outcome. There are plenty of men out there just like you. Strippers come across all kinds of types sooner or later....and strip club customers will come across all types of strippers sooner or later as well. It is what it is. I think you should just let this go.

THIS. Right here^

rickdugan
01-06-2017, 11:43 AM
Why did you make this thread in the first place? In order to feel validated and told that you shouldn't feel guilty? Or to just complain and rant about emotional strippers? If you feel any guilt whatsoever, just stop going after desperate strippers. If you don't feel any guilt at all, then keep doing what you're doing, but stop complaining about the outcome. There are plenty of men out there just like you. Strippers come across all kinds of types sooner or later....and strip club customers will come across all types of strippers sooner or later as well. It is what it is. I think you should just let this go.

Honestly, just to flesh out my conflicting thoughts about all of this out further, which this thread has actually helped with. As highlighted in a pink post last night, I bitched about this in the locker room over on tuscl when it was just the first two. But the third one happened about a week later and it really made me pause. I haven't been in the clubs for over 3 weeks now, which is a very long time for me, as I try to sort this out.

In any event, thanks to you and everyone else for the input.

Djoser
01-07-2017, 11:57 AM
Well this thread has inspired me. To smoke some weed. Then come back. In case anyone gives a shit I quit smoking week 13 years ago. Maybe my cousin has some edibles. No one leave.

This is classic.

Djoser
01-07-2017, 12:08 PM
Doesn't make it acceptable nor some of the tactics used justifiable. On both sides.

Never said it did.

Trust me, if i think a guy is a pimp trying to recruit girls in my club, there's going to be trouble for him.

He he was fucking with three steroid types a couple weeks ago in my favorite hangout (never worked there which is why I like it), because one of them beats his women. He knew exactly what I was doing because I was standing right next to him at the bar telling the dancers he beats women, and I am not a quiet guy. Probably not too smart of me because of the odds, but they didn't do jack.

So, I'm not so jaded as to think nothing of people fucking each other over for sex, money, drugs, etc. But the myriad ways men and women manipulate each other in the club (or for later meetings OTC) are too pervasive to try and curtail.

These clubs are not for the weak. There are many weak customers, there are some weak dancers. If I worried about all the weak ones and the various ways they might have gotten or might get fucked over, I'd never sleep.