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gameover
01-09-2017, 09:27 AM
That was all very dramatic. :)
To all of that I ask: And?
The fact that I also post on tuscl is not exactly a revelation to most around here. I have been posting on both sites for years. There is also nothing inconsistent about my posts on the two sites - I just talk about different things on each. In fact, if you comb through my posts in the Junkie Forum on this site, you will see some references to some of the same concepts that were raised as shocking revelations in my tuscl posts. Tuscl is just the customer version of Hustle Hut and I tend to be more blunt there. Well, as we tell any blue who comes on here and whines about what he reads in Hustle Hut, if you can't cope with the unvarnished realities that you see behind the curtain, the don't look. ;)
As far as my intentions in posting this, asked and answered several times now. The ladies who so diligently combed through my tuscl posts must have failed to see a more recent comment I posted there about this, where I indicated that the third one was what really made me feel bad and was probably where I felt like I stepped into uncomfortable territory.
Of course I am leveraging money and timing to my best advantage. It's amazing that something that is so commonplace in the clubs seems to be so shocking to a few ex-dancers on here, but it is what is it I suppose. I won't debate the relative morality of this any further because it won't accomplish anything positive. But I do wonder if anyone here actually believes that going without rent, grocery money, electricity, a phone, etc., would have been a better outcome than choosing to earn it OTC. They certainly didn't believe so or else they wouldn't have done it. In fact, most who I've taken out once choose to repeat and some have become long-term "friends."
As far as some of the snarkier comments go, let's keep it civil. You'll notice that I have, despite ample ammunition from a number of melodramatic comments. :duck:
As to why I do what I do, the answer is simple: It is the simplest and most discreet way for me to have other adult fun without blowback to my household. Other methods (mistresses, escorts, etc.) come with complications and/or risks that I am unwilling to bear. Read into that what you will, but there it is.
What I think is slimy, is that you post like a defender of dancers on this site, and then post like a total ass-hat on the other site. You are not just softening your tone on this site. You are being duplicitous.
whirlerz
01-09-2017, 10:18 AM
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arielbriel
01-09-2017, 10:18 AM
It's almost like having multiple personality disorder but this is who this person really is.^ A predator. No different than the many men we encounter in the club but a wolf in sheep's clothing waiting in the bushes till the end of the month when you need to complete your rent or need Christmas gifts or god forbid a natural disaster happens (and he is delighted with the occurrence) with his lousy $300 or less for you to do WHATEVER he wants and god-forbid you don't do it enthusiastically! He'll turn around and fuck your friend/co-worker and thus pin you guys against each other. Truly disgusting. I'm appalled.
rickdugan
01-09-2017, 12:51 PM
I can't control what assumptions anyone has made about me, but they certainly haven't been due to any duplicity on my part. I've posted on both sites for years and I've made no secret of it. I've shared my genuine thoughts on each topic in which I have participated, whether here or over there. I don't get into certain topics here because they are not appropriate for this site, but I've also never hidden the fact that I am not running a charity in my dealings with dancers.
Strip clubs are naturally predatory environments where dancers and customers each seek out as much as they can get. What a shock. Indeed, some of the very girls that a few here are so eager to diminish as victims are actually skilled hustlers who I finally landed solely due to timing issues. After all, it doesn't matter how much you made a month ago if you spent it all as you earned it.
The two longest running favorites I ever had are great examples. Both ran romance hustles when they could get away with it. One once had a guy so far gone that he was actually crying in the LD room and sobbing "please don't break up with me" even while she was taking the last of his money after stringing him along for weeks. The other cleaned a guy out so thoroughly that the club manager took pity on him and gave him a job as a bar back so that he could start to pay the enormous credit card balances that he had racked up while visiting this girl for months and taking her to VIP rooms (he was a local guy that some of the staff knew fairly well). Both of these girls knew quite well that these guys could not afford to spend that kind of money and neither cared. The second one even joked to me about what she used to do to keep him on the hook and we used to refer to him as "Home Depot Guy" for a reason that should be obvious.
But even with all of that said, let's be clear about the context of my approach. The girls that I "target" are often among the most attractive and personable girls in the clubs that I visit and they are universally seasoned dancers. I don't pursue new girls, vulnerable 6s with little ability to earn, girls who are drugged up or others who are easily preyed upon, both for humanitarian reasons and because they are just not fun to hang with. I also always treat them with dignity, never remotely push personal boundaries (ITC or OTC) and I often pay them more than fairly for the market I am in, never squeezing them even when I could. All of this is also quite clear in my tuscl posts, but of course those posts were ignored because they didn't play into the theme of those who were pulling my quotes from that site.
So call me a predator if you will, but I am probably one of the most benevolent fucking predators you will ever meet in some of the clubs that I frequent, on either side of the tip rail.
And with that I am going to bail out of this train wreck of a thread. :)
miss.a.p1600
01-09-2017, 01:17 PM
Classic deflect and minimize.
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ScarletKitten
01-09-2017, 04:10 PM
Wow. Reading through the last couple of pages just made me even more jaded than I already was. Holy shit.
Some men are even more manipulative than strippers. I'm actually glad this thread exists, because it serves as a warning to other strippers. Beware who you see OTC, if you decide to go down that route at all. It doesn't matter how nice, respectful, or gentlemanly the guy is, he could be manipulating & exploiting you on a level that would make the author of "50 shades of grey" run for the hills.
What gets to me the most is that in the midst of all this shit, he is still a cheapass. $300 to be put through all that misery?! Are you fucking kidding me? At least pay these poor girls properly! He has no sympathy whatsoever, not even for girls on the brink of homelessness or with starving children at home. He laughs, gets his disgusting dick sucked/fucked, throws them pennies, and walks off. He's not helping these girls at all. He is exploiting them and getting off to it, and not even paying them what they are worth.
I am done. My level of disgust for a blue member has reached an all-time high.
pinups4
01-09-2017, 05:09 PM
Classic deflect and minimize.
No one is talking about those Home Depot hustle. We talking about those three (or more) women you dealt with.
Those girls are seasoned dancers but they are not seasoned OTC (which is a whole different ball game)
47041
I don't think the Home Depot hustle and what he's doing is quite as far apart as you might think. However, I am not defending his actions.
I do OTC and ITC (never pushing boundaries, but open to suggesting opportunities if they fit the mood), but I don't sink to using the other party's desperation as being one of the Strategic terms.
If i want her...and she wants what i have to offer....it's a win at that.
If she TRIES to.drain me....beyond my ability or using a weakness i showed. . . Thats wrong
If she FAKES REAL FEELINGS (or I fake feelings...which is not as useful for obvious reasons) in order to trap me...not fair
If i know shes going over her boundaries and im abusing that ... its wrong. If I know she's in crisis and not stable, or beyond "a little" innebriated...and wouldn't normally go for it but is vulnerable,..I'd rather walk and wake up smiling than hit it and feel like a shithead.
Its all gray area but i feel "first....do no harm"
To me, there's a way to play the game, and there's a way not to
. And once you realize that someone's motivations are desperation or that you're driving into a point of desperation. The Game MUST Stop or we will all lose our self respect
. It's okay to take as much as someone will give, it's not okay to push him or her beyond that point when you know it's not right for them or you're using their situation to enrich you while damaging them
it's not fair
Treat others as you'd like to be treated.
An alcoholic drunk at a bar is often not served alcohol. the bartender isn't allowed to profit (and shouldn't want to) off weakness.
22lligm
01-11-2017, 10:56 AM
Wait there's more..
Yesterday:
Eh, this will blow over. It isn't the first time that a handful of girls on SW have taken strong objection to something about me and it won't be the last. They turn over on SW about as frequently as in the real strip clubs. I won't ruin several years of careful identity building over a momentary tiff.
Why is he allowed on this forum?
Genoveve
01-11-2017, 12:30 PM
He needs a life really bad. He has an obsession.
arielbriel
01-11-2017, 01:48 PM
Since this is OUR forum, I vote we ban him and any other predatory blues.
Selina M
01-11-2017, 01:51 PM
Isn't it kinda stupid to post his 'identity building' on another public forum that girls are aware of...
Probably hoping when there are new members they won't know about Tuscl and take him at his SW persona, I suppose.
rickdugan
01-11-2017, 02:06 PM
I we must cross post my comments from another site, then let's at least do it in context. The "identity building" I was referring to was not my own. Scroll up in that thread to follow along with the conversation.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-11-2017, 02:18 PM
Yes that pertains to a situation where the OP of the this thread is aware of a member on this forum who pretends to be a dancer. But in fact they are a male who has built up a persona for at least two years here on SW. This is what the op was referring to when he said "identity building."
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-11-2017, 02:20 PM
I we must cross post my comments from another site, then let's at least do it in context. The "identity building" I was referring to was not my own. Scroll up in that thread to follow along with the conversation.
The OP is correct that there is more to this.
pierrepaul
01-11-2017, 05:29 PM
LOL - this thread is too funny. First, a guy with over 3500 posts in just under 7 years (that comes to over 1 post per day) posts a fact pattern where he knows 100% that he's going to get a multi-page reaction of righteous indignation. And guess what? - he gets 9 pages of righteous indignation! It must be a slow week.
22lligm
01-11-2017, 07:52 PM
But doesnt this still apply to Rick himself ..
"Eh, this will blow over. It isn't the first time that a handful of girls on SW have taken strong objection to something about me and it won't be the last. They turn over on SW about as frequently as in the real strip clubs."
ETA: Why is he so obsessed with sex workers and strip club life in general that he's dedicated so much time to watch the 'turn over' of SW members. Get a life dude.
22lligm
01-11-2017, 07:53 PM
Since this is OUR forum, I vote we ban him and any other predatory blues.
Yes please!
We had a rabbit like you
01-11-2017, 08:32 PM
Yes that pertains to a situation where the OP of the this thread is aware of a member on this forum who pretends to be a dancer. But in fact they are a male who has built up a persona for at least two years here on SW. This is what the op was referring to when he said "identity building."
I'm officially creeped out now, has this person been banned?? Ack lol
whirlerz
01-11-2017, 09:47 PM
I'm officially creeped out now, has this person been banned?? Ack lol
Pretty much unanimous?
DonaDiabla
01-13-2017, 03:11 AM
Actually, RickDugan, you showing this "new" side on here is quite interesting to me. Personally, I always viewed you as wolfish man who appears to be sweet and thoughtful on here. Indeed, I have seen your other posts on that other website and I was not shocked out all. However, I will say that I doubt that you always pick skilled hustlers to play with. You pick strippers who lack emotional experience and hustling abilities that goes with OTC.
You know, you should pick women with the same predatory skills as yourself. Ice princesses and Black widow strippers will be a great match you. However, you never pick these types of women? Most strippers are at disadvantage when you asked them to take up your OTC offers. Your locker room talk reveals something odd about yourself. You are quite Machiavellian and icy ( Which would be great for black widow types, ice princess, and femme fatales) but you are not good for normal strippers. This my two cents on your personality and so forth :)
I can't control what assumptions anyone has made about me, but they certainly haven't been due to any duplicity on my part. I've posted on both sites for years and I've made no secret of it. I've shared my genuine thoughts on each topic in which I have participated, whether here or over there. I don't get into certain topics here because they are not appropriate for this site, but I've also never hidden the fact that I am not running a charity in my dealings with dancers.
Strip clubs are naturally predatory environments where dancers and customers each seek out as much as they can get. What a shock. Indeed, some of the very girls that a few here are so eager to diminish as victims are actually skilled hustlers who I finally landed solely due to timing issues. After all, it doesn't matter how much you made a month ago if you spent it all as you earned it.
The two longest running favorites I ever had are great examples. Both ran romance hustles when they could get away with it. One once had a guy so far gone that he was actually crying in the LD room and sobbing "please don't break up with me" even while she was taking the last of his money after stringing him along for weeks. The other cleaned a guy out so thoroughly that the club manager took pity on him and gave him a job as a bar back so that he could start to pay the enormous credit card balances that he had racked up while visiting this girl for months and taking her to VIP rooms (he was a local guy that some of the staff knew fairly well). Both of these girls knew quite well that these guys could not afford to spend that kind of money and neither cared. The second one even joked to me about what she used to do to keep him on the hook and we used to refer to him as "Home Depot Guy" for a reason that should be obvious.
But even with all of that said, let's be clear about the context of my approach. The girls that I "target" are often among the most attractive and personable girls in the clubs that I visit and they are universally seasoned dancers. I don't pursue new girls, vulnerable 6s with little ability to earn, girls who are drugged up or others who are easily preyed upon, both for humanitarian reasons and because they are just not fun to hang with. I also always treat them with dignity, never remotely push personal boundaries (ITC or OTC) and I often pay them more than fairly for the market I am in, never squeezing them even when I could. All of this is also quite clear in my tuscl posts, but of course those posts were ignored because they didn't play into the theme of those who were pulling my quotes from that site.
So call me a predator if you will, but I am probably one of the most benevolent fucking predators you will ever meet in some of the clubs that I frequent, on either side of the tip rail.
And with that I am going to bail out of this train wreck of a thread. :)
Djoser
01-13-2017, 07:51 AM
Well put, as usual DonaD.
Rick, I've seen guys so much worse than you (as far as I can tell from what I've read, though I skipped over the quotes from Tuscle because that shit always bores the crap out of me), so I can't get as heated as some of the women here. Of course, I've worked in a couple very rough clubs, and even the nicest clubs can get rough. I've seen sooo many serious sociopaths of both sexes, without the slightest trace of empathy or conscience. Hordes of them.
But the two things that really stand out here in my mind are:
1) You made 3 women cry in what, 2 weeks? That's pretty sad to hear. You're doing something wrong. I should think that would be obvious.
2) Then you started a thread here in a stripper support forum about it. Why man, why?
I don't doubt you have a good side, and you might be genuinely questioning your actions, and maybe seeking feedback, or striving somehow to improve yourself as far as dealing with women in a more considerate fashion. But for god's sake man, if you know strippers as well as you should--after so many years dealing with them, and all that money--even at 'hardship discount' rates (sorry but that does piss me off a little too)--you should have known the reaction you would get here.
Djoser
01-13-2017, 08:02 AM
This is why Hustle Hut needs to be private and closed off to all blues.
I will ask the senior mod about that.
rickdugan
01-13-2017, 08:38 AM
Well put, as usual DonaD.
Rick, I've seen guys so much worse than you (as far as I can tell from what I've read, though I skipped over the quotes from Tuscle because that shit always bores the crap out of me), so I can't get as heated as some of the women here. Of course, I've worked in a couple very rough clubs, and even the nicest clubs can get rough. I've seen sooo many serious sociopaths of both sexes, without the slightest trace of empathy or conscience. Hordes of them.
But the two things that really stand out here in my mind are:
1) You made 3 women cry in what, 2 weeks? That's pretty sad to hear. You're doing something wrong. I should think that would be obvious.
2) Then you started a thread here in a stripper support forum about it. Why man, why?
I don't doubt you have a good side, and you might be genuinely questioning your actions, and maybe seeking feedback, or striving somehow to improve yourself as far as dealing with women in a more considerate fashion. But for god's sake man, if you know strippers as well as you should--after so many years dealing with them, and all that money--even at 'hardship discount' rates (sorry but that does piss me off a little too)--you should have known the reaction you would get here.
Agreed on all fronts. My intentions were genuine - I started this while riding a wave of guilt over the third girl in particular and was legitimately seeking feedback. But in hindsight this was definitely a case of "Ready, Fire, Aim." I have felt bad enough about what happened, in particular with the third one, that I haven't been in a club in well over a month, which is a long time for me. It has made me re-examine some of my assumptions and will inevitably lead to changes in how I do things. I actually took away some good feedback before the train went off the rails, so thank you to everyone who provided it.
Anyway, my apologies to any of the ladies who were put off by this thread, which clearly should never have been started in the first place.
As a side note, I also agree that Hustle Hut should be Ladies Only. There is no reason why blues should be reading advice that the dancers are sharing with each other about how to earn. While you are exploring fixes for the site, you might also float the idea of some way of verifying that the adult entertainers who have access to the sensitive parts of this site are actually adult entertainers. For example, while I'm sure that some of the outrage and anger communicated about the topics discussed in this thread were quite real, sadly some of it was also on the manufactured side.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2017, 08:47 AM
Speaking of legitimacy and manufactured responses, would the op care to reveal which member is pretending to be a dancer here on stripperweb? Once again deflecting.
rickdugan
01-13-2017, 09:20 AM
Speaking of legitimacy and manufactured responses, would the op care to reveal which member is pretending to be a dancer here on stripperweb? Once again deflecting.
I'm not remotely deflecting. I've said what I said and did what I did. Over the years I've made a lot of goofy comments on the other site, which has been an ancillary part of my entertainment vis-a-vis strip clubs. It's a customer board. Now what wasn't reflected here were the many comments I've made over the years on that board also outlining the limits to what I am willing to do, so I would contend that the cross posting was lacking in balance - intentionally so I suspect. But I own what I've said over there and I have also apologized here for starting a thread that, in hindsight, I never should have started.
The troll activity is a secondary issue, though related insofar as they exacerbated certain issues in this thread. I'm not going to start naming screen names here because it will become an endless quagmire of accusation and denial - none of them have been so blatant as to leave an obvious smoking gun. But members of that board have certainly alluded to it and those of us who are regular posters there are fairly certain as to who they are, though not enough to convict them in a court of law. But consider this: How did certain members of this board know where to find all of the most reaction provoking posts that I have ever made on that site? Some of the threads that some of those posts were drawn from were several years old. Either these members really scrolled through thousands of my posts over time or they already knew of the existence of those posts because they participated in the same threads.
Again, I own what I've said and done, as out of context and unbalanced though that selective cross posting may have been. And again, I feel bad for starting a thread that caused both legitimate anger and opportunistic trolling. Hindsight is 20/20 and I never should have explored this on here to begin with.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2017, 09:34 AM
The careful identity building comment was recent and not hard to find at all. I imagine that members of this community found the OP's most recent post on that site due to it being a current topic. From there its just a matter of reading ones post history.
rickdugan
01-13-2017, 09:53 AM
My identity building comment was made only after others somehow located every inflammatory post I ever made on that site, spanning back over several years. The threads are not indexed and listed they way they are on this site, so one would have had to go back through thousands of my posts in order to find each one of them and to isolate them. Is it possible? Certainly, but it is unlikely and even less so at the speed in which they were found and then pasted here. It is far more likely that certain posters already knew that they existed and, hence, how to find them quickly.
Anyway, again, the troll issue is secondary. I raised it in response to DJs post primarily because if you seek truly effective isolation of Ladies Only topics, like Hustle hut, you may want to consider taking a more careful look at how to limit troll activity. It is common knowledge over on the other site that some of the males have been having fun exploring their feminine sides on here. But at the end of the day, you and the other Mods are more than capable of making your own determination of the potential issues and acting accordingly.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2017, 10:07 AM
Its always awesome when a person can "truly" reflect on their actions and apologize. That would have been admirable. But for me it becomes disingenuous when they go on to point fingers and somehow paints them self as a victim. And yes the mods are aware of what the issue is here and none of us are in need of having our perceptions managed. We got this.
rickdugan
01-13-2017, 10:37 AM
Yet again, I own what I've said and done over the years. Victim spinning is not my gig. I'll let others be the judge of how egregious my activities have been, but frankly I had not looked at them as a whole as being that bad or else I would have stopped posting with the same screen name on both sites a long time ago. That was at least until I had 3 girls crying in two weeks, which made me start to question a lot. Hence here we are, in a thread that in hindsight should never have been born.
As far as my "identity building" comment on the other site, that was among a few posts that I placed on the other site as a warning shot to the trolls who were having fun over here as well. Nothing more.
Finally, as far as "perception management" is concerned, that is also not my gig. I've shared my views on some of the issues occurring in this thread while at the same time also acknowledging the real anger that I am sure that this thread caused for the adult entertainers who read through this entire train wreck. By extension, those issues also bring other considerations to light. What you do with it is obviously up to you. As you've said, "you've got this."
Omne35
01-13-2017, 11:55 PM
I read about 5 pages of the current 10 but, to be honest, got bored.
I am probably the antithesis of you in many ways. My only comment is that if YOU feel that there might be something wrong, whether it's lack of compassion or whatever, there may well be.
No matter how you look at it, predatory or coincidence, you had three OTC experiences that hinged on money for others, such as presents for kids. Is it possible that you felt that you *should* have felt compassion for that and it bothers you that you didn't? Personally I don't think any sane mind can compartmentalize experiences to the point where there is absolutely no carry over. I would examine what I was doing in my RL and see if I am treating anyone similar.
As to your last question, personally as I mentioned I firmly believe that it will cause some changes or bring out some.
I'm more of the type that if I know the person well enough to know if they really need the money for things like kids I would be inclined to give it to them. I've never been a fan of OTC or escort for the reasons cited.
None of this is per se criticism of what you do. I've read your posts and you've always seemed level headed. This may be nothing but it is a chance to reexamine some things.
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 04:55 AM
Strippers are strippers.
If you want sex, go to an escort. If she gives you lousy service or cries then you don't have to feel bad, maybe that shouldn't be her profession.
You say you're a reg at the club. You've known these girls. They've spent time with you, shared real stuff about their lives (trusted you), even slept with you otc when they don't usually do that. So maybe they're upset that you don't even pretend to care about them?
Most people tip their secretaries, housekeepers, nannies etc. at Christmas. These strippers provide you with a regular service you want and need : their attention and, yes, love. When you don't reciprocate, it can be upsetting, especially if the girl thinks that you like her for her - it works both ways
It doesn't sound like these girls are big hustlers, but reminding you at Christmas that they have kids to make happy on Christmas morning is quite normal if you're a reg. They shouldn't have to remind you. You probably know her kids' names - or fake ones - so why not "here's $ for X and $ for Y, I hope you have a lovely Christmas."
Men have no class these days.
Even worse is when guys say - Well, I know you've got bills so...I've got $1000 if you'll come to a hotel with me... Oh great. You have money for me if I open my legs to you for 10 minutes, but nothing if I only want to dance for you for hours?
GO TO AN ESCORT.
I think it's the fact that you keep coming to the club and so blatantly don't care about them that's making them cry.
You can't play the "caring reg" to get extra attention (and otc extras) without giving a bit extra yourself.
Those strippers are using that money to live - food, housing, needs, etc. - you giving them money helps them to live, you denying them money kinda equates to you wanting them to starve...unless they do something they clearly aren't mentally geared up for and that they obviously don't do for that reason...it's not nice.
Escorts make more money. If the girl could mentally handle being an escort then she would do that instead of, or as well as, stripping. If these girls make a special exception for otc sex with you then you should respect that they probably feel sex is more intimate and special than you do. Go to an escort if you want zero feelings and zero responsibility sex.
We had a rabbit like you
01-14-2017, 07:58 AM
^there are plenty of dancers totally comfortable with otc , I think the was that these girls were not and were only doing it out of desperation. I certainly don't give any customer my "love" (ew ew ew) and don't want any in return..just basic respect and professionalism is all that's required
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 10:42 AM
That's your opinion.
Depends on how you define "love" and what kind of stripper/person you are.
Tbh, I find otc with any customer to be ew ew ew...but that's just me.
Lots of strippers aren't comfortable with otc (esp with non reg randoms) and fyi if you're having sex with a customer otc you're not technically being a dancer at that point in time - you are being an escort and there are plenty of girls who work as strippers in the SC because, obviously, they don't want to be escorts.
To each their own...
We had a rabbit like you
01-14-2017, 11:27 AM
That's your opinion.
Depends on how you define "love" and what kind of stripper/person you are.
Tbh, I find otc with any customer to be ew ew ew...but that's just me.
Lots of strippers aren't comfortable with otc (esp with non reg randoms) and fyi if you're having sex with a customer otc you're not technically being a dancer at that point in time - you are being an escort and there are plenty of girls who work as strippers in the SC because, obviously, they don't want to be escorts.
To each their own...
Sex and love just don't belong in a professional setting /in the strip club. As far as otc goes, keyword is that it's OUTSIDE the club, so I don't judge if a girl wants to on her own time. But she needs to be 100% comfortable and confident.
I also don't think it's ok to expect customers to just hand us money cause Xmas is coming up, cause I sure as shit ain't giving them anything for free either..regardless of the time of year. We provide a service and get paid for a service like any other business. I just don't think it's fair to paint these girls like they are crying cause they have all these feeling of love and connection to Ricky boy and sleep w him cause they caught feelings or some shit, they were pressured into it for the money and didn't like how it made them feel about themselves.
Whatever, way off topic I suppose so I'm done for now haha
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 11:55 AM
This was a question about a very specific situation, not about you and your ilk.
These girls were giving him time and affection for free bc he's a reg, which he gladly takes, and he was giving nothing back.
It is like any other profession, and we should be treated the same way - i.e. tips to show gratitude to your favourite dancer at Christmas would be normal.
Heck, people used to tip the postman at Christmas!
Our job can often involve caring for people, esp regs...unless you're totally heartless, of course.
So yeah whatever, bye!
We had a rabbit like you
01-14-2017, 12:08 PM
WOW never said anything about myself, and no idea what my "ilk" would be as I've shared nothing personal OR personally attacked you or said anything rude. I wasn't defending him either, so not sure where this hostility comes from but yeah!
DonaDiabla
01-14-2017, 05:27 PM
Frankly, this is wrong advice for Rick and anyone else looking for OTC. Also, strippers who do OTC need to watch out for men who they are not ready for. First, most strippers and sex workers are not looking for love and romance at work. So, these chicks were not crying because they fell in love with Rick. Rick has an icy and Machiavellian demeanor. Most strippers are not used to that type of demeanor and it effected them emotionally. Secondly, going to an escort will not solve Rick's problem and could make it worse. He needs a icy princess or black widow hustle stripper because they will be equally match.Third, none of these chicks were looking for love with Rick. They were newbies to the OTC scene and his demeanor was affecting them.I mean that is just absurd to keep talking about love and romance in the club. Stop talking like the strip club is some sort Jane Austin novel. It is not :)
Strippers are strippers.
If you want sex, go to an escort. If she gives you lousy service or cries then you don't have to feel bad, maybe that shouldn't be her profession.
You say you're a reg at the club. You've known these girls. They've spent time with you, shared real stuff about their lives (trusted you), even slept with you otc when they don't usually do that. So maybe they're upset that you don't even pretend to care about them?
Most people tip their secretaries, housekeepers, nannies etc. at Christmas. These strippers provide you with a regular service you want and need : their attention and, yes, love. When you don't reciprocate, it can be upsetting, especially if the girl thinks that you like her for her - it works both ways
It doesn't sound like these girls are big hustlers, but reminding you at Christmas that they have kids to make happy on Christmas morning is quite normal if you're a reg. They shouldn't have to remind you. You probably know her kids' names - or fake ones - so why not "here's $ for X and $ for Y, I hope you have a lovely Christmas."
Men have no class these days.
Even worse is when guys say - Well, I know you've got bills so...I've got $1000 if you'll come to a hotel with me... Oh great. You have money for me if I open my legs to you for 10 minutes, but nothing if I only want to dance for you for hours?
GO TO AN ESCORT.
I think it's the fact that you keep coming to the club and so blatantly don't care about them that's making them cry.
You can't play the "caring reg" to get extra attention (and otc extras) without giving a bit extra yourself.
Those strippers are using that money to live - food, housing, needs, etc. - you giving them money helps them to live, you denying them money kinda equates to you wanting them to starve...unless they do something they clearly aren't mentally geared up for and that they obviously don't do for that reason...it's not nice.
Escorts make more money. If the girl could mentally handle being an escort then she would do that instead of, or as well as, stripping. If these girls make a special exception for otc sex with you then you should respect that they probably feel sex is more intimate and special than you do. Go to an escort if you want zero feelings and zero responsibility sex.
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 08:05 PM
Frankly, this is wrong advice for Rick and anyone else looking for OTC. Also, strippers who do OTC need to watch out for men who they are not ready for. First, most strippers and sex workers are not looking for love and romance at work. So, these chicks were not crying because they fell in love with Rick. Rick has an icy and Machiavellian demeanor. Most strippers are not used to that type of demeanor and it effected them emotionally. Secondly, going to an escort will not solve Rick's problem and could make it worse. He needs a icy princess or black widow hustle stripper because they will be equally match.Third, none of these chicks were looking for love with Rick. They were newbies to the OTC scene and his demeanor was affecting them.I mean that is just absurd to keep talking about love and romance in the club. Stop talking like the strip club is some sort Jane Austin novel. It is not :)
Wrong.
Strippers aren't looking for love, no, I didn't even say that, but most customers are looking for caring and affection.
Getting naked for a guy regularly who pretends to care about you can lead some girls to be attached - not in love - but attached. Like a housekeeper to the family she cares for, for example. Being treated unkindly by someone who you've treated really well will make nice people upset.
Strippers are people. If you become a reg and deliberately build a friendship, then feelings will get hurt if you don't hold up your side of the friendship.
They're not crying because they fell in love with him, they're crying because, as he says himself, he "looks for soft targets" and he "pretends to care".
That's HIS hustle and it is wrong.
We all know these sweet-natured girls that guys like Rick take advantage of.
EXACTLY - if he wants to deal man to man with a seasoned stripper/escort he could choose an "icy princess". He CHOOSES the vulnerable ones bc that's what turns him on - until his behaviour makes them cry, apparently. Some sicko guys actually really like just that - maybe Rick does and wants to generally upset more people like me with his post.
I never said anything about love and romance - there are many kinds of love and don't try to tell me customers come in just to grind some cold bitch's pussy and then pick out an escort to take home because if that were true strip clubs wouldn't exist any more, and the number of girls "confusing" stripping with being a walking advert for otc is ruining the business, but i digress...
I've been doing this long enough to know that men come in for AFFECTION and ATTENTION (ie regs expect you to remember stuff about them bc they want to think you care) and if you haven't worked that out then you're probably not sitting on the kinda money I am :)
Djoser
01-14-2017, 08:35 PM
Well we have certainly seen the guys pretending to be females and female dancers over the years.
I still think HH should be ladies only though.
DonaDiabla
01-14-2017, 08:44 PM
There is no love in this industry period. Most of these customers do not love nor care for us. We are nothing more than entertainment or jack off material.Sex work is fun and light-hearted. This is not about being Pollyanna and thinking that customers are just looking for affection. You can be good-natured and still not get played by customers. Rick is a good example of wolf. BTW, this black-hearted yet fun-loving bitch always meets her financial goals and I have been doing this for over a decade. I do not have to become friends with my customers to get paid and have regular customers who are enchanted by me.:) Also, maybe you need to stop giving your emotions to your customers? You sound bitter and hostile behind it. In fact, sex workers like yourself with that Pollyanna yet bitter attitude is also ruining this business as well.So, you can take that bleeding heart crap elsewhere and try not to get played in 21st century by "nice guy" customers. :) Mic drop!
Wrong.
Strippers aren't looking for love, no, I didn't even say that, but most customers are looking for caring and affection.Getting naked for a guy regularly who pretends to care about you can lead some girls to be attached - not in love - but attached. Like a housekeeper to the family she cares for, for example. Being treated unkindly by someone who you've treated really well will make nice people upset.
Strippers are people. If you become a reg and deliberately build a friendship, then feelings will get hurt if you don't hold up your side of the friendship.
They're not crying because they fell in love with him, they're crying because, as he says himself, he "looks for soft targets" and he "pretends to care".
That's HIS hustle and it is wrong.
We all know these sweet-natured girls that guys like Rick take advantage of.
EXACTLY - if he wants to deal man to man with a seasoned stripper/escort he could choose an "icy princess". He CHOOSES the vulnerable ones bc that's what turns him on - until his behaviour makes them cry, apparently. Some sicko guys actually really like just that - maybe Rick does and wants to generally upset more people like me with his post.
I never said anything about love and romance - there are many kinds of love and don't try to tell me customers come in just to grind some cold bitch's pussy and then pick out an escort to take home because if that were true strip clubs wouldn't exist any more, and the number of girls "confusing" stripping with being a walking advert for otc is ruining the business, but i digress...
I've been doing this long enough to know that men come in for AFFECTION and ATTENTION (ie regs expect you to remember stuff about them bc they want to think you care) and if you haven't worked that out then you're probably not sitting on the kinda money I am :)
Djoser
01-14-2017, 09:41 PM
Well there are a lot of guys who come in for attention/affection. They tend to be vulnerable, nothing like the kinds of guys who are skilled at getting OTC, and OTC at discount rates.
There's also a lot of dancers who don't mind doing stuff right in the club, sad to say. In some clubs and areas, there is no need for OTC. Many clubs in the Miami area have VIP rooms with locking doors, WTF?
And I have to watch the girls for breaking rules almost as much as the guys on the fucking VIP cameras, which I hate doing BTW.
I've seen manipulation ad infinitum in the clubs, from both customers and dancers. But if there's the slightest doubt in my mind that a dancer is being vulnerable, or not feeling confident, I will give her the vampire pep talk and tell her 'You are the Predator...they are the Prey. No Mercy!', etc. Sorry guys. But generally speaking the skilled hustlers don't need that. The more vulnerable ones do, and I am there to make sure they are as strong as possible when dealing with a severe predatory environment.
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 09:42 PM
There is no love in this industry period. Most of these customers do not love nor care for us. We are nothing more than entertainment or jack off material.Sex work is fun and light-hearted. This is not about being Pollyanna and thinking that customers are just looking for affection. You can be good-natured and still not get played by customers. Rick is a good example of wolf. BTW, this black-hearted yet fun-loving bitch always meets her financial goals and I have been doing this for over a decade. I do not have to become friends with my customers to get paid and have regular customers who are enchanted by me.:) Also, maybe you need to stop giving your emotions to your customers? You sound bitter and hostile behind it. In fact, sex workers like yourself with that Pollyanna yet bitter attitude is also ruining this business as well.So, you can take that bleeding heart crap elsewhere and try not to get played in 21st century by "nice guy" customers. :) Mic drop!
You're hilarious.
I'm sorry this industry has turned you into such a bitter person who feels there's no love in the sex entertainment business.
You are speaking only from your own experiences and for your way of doing things.
I prefer not going into work like I'm going to war. My customers appreciate how I do things.
I have a great time dancing and customers treat me right or I don't bother with them.
They can go treat some ho like a ho. I'm a dancer.
This is actually about MONEY and professionalism.
IMO regs should tip their strippers at Christmas.
End of.
MIC DROP.
CanadaGirlq
01-14-2017, 10:00 PM
ackshully imma pick up this mic again just to say...
It's pretty funny that a whole bunch of strippers are on here defending some a##hole who made 3 girls cry in a week or whatever.
Maybe they're thinking - "I'd bang that guy right AND keep him coming back, stupid new girls crying over nothing!"
Yikes!
My club is pretty awesome though - y'all are very likely working in a much rougher environment and for that I give you some credit.
You can be a badass all you like, it doesn't mean you should stand up for rubbish, possibly mentally ill, customers like Rick who make girls cry.
Shame on his cheap, mileage-hungry ass.
MIC DROP. Again. (Because the Queen did it so it must be badass cool, right?)
DeathAndTaxes
01-14-2017, 10:11 PM
OP is enjoying the drama he is creating, don't let him divide you.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-14-2017, 10:16 PM
ackshully imma pick up this mic again just to say...
It's pretty funny that a whole bunch of strippers are on here defending some a##hole who made 3 girls cry in a week or whatever.
Maybe they're thinking - "I'd bang that guy right AND keep him coming back, stupid new girls crying over nothing!"
Yikes!
My club is pretty awesome though - y'all are very likely working in a much rougher environment and for that I give you some credit.
You can be a badass all you like, it doesn't mean you should stand up for rubbish, possibly mentally ill, customers like Rick who make girls cry.
Shame on his cheap, mileage-hungry ass.
MIC DROP. Again. (Because the Queen did it so it must be badass cool, right?)
If you've actually read this thread you will see that there aren't a whole bunch of strippers that are defending him. Not sure why you came to that conclusion? I think its been proven that he doesn't give af about dancers and not really certain as to why he's still here. But please don't show up just to show out and insult people. Take a moment and realize that you Canadgirl are amongst your peers. No need to lash out.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-14-2017, 10:16 PM
OP is enjoying the drama he is creating, don't let him divide you.
Thank you
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-14-2017, 10:28 PM
This thread is DEAD and I promise you Mr OP or anyone else if you come back here running you mouth I will issue some points and or a banhammer. Don't take advantage of the fact that we don't have a mod for this section. This thread from the very beginning was ridiculous but in some ways Im glad it was created so that now we all know who we're dealing with.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-14-2017, 10:33 PM
DonaDiabla Im going to assume that you were posting at the same time? Please walk away and let it go.
Im not playing around folks.
loveshooks
01-16-2017, 12:31 PM
we're getting some new blues in here to help out, in the meantime thread locked
gracias to everyone who provided insightful comments