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Exxotica
08-08-2017, 07:19 PM
I've seen other WOC charge low rates, but that's not ALL WOC- just like how I've seen ALOT of white girls charge low rates as well. I've charge high as shit rates for YEARS and never felt the need to low ball myself, but that's because I go for a very upscale clientele that are willing to call me God. And they're willing to pay. I can't ever underhand myself and I always tell all women in the industry to do the same.
Exactly. I've never felt the need to charge less. I go by the rate of the city, not by race.

Gia2608
08-08-2017, 08:29 PM
TBH I did not read all of the posts in this thread. Also, I am not an escort so I am not sure how much weight my opinion has on the subject, but my 2 cents as a big titty blonde girl... beauty standards ARE starting to change.

Now, a big butt and full lips are all the rage, and who, stereotypically has these features? Black women. The crown prince of England is dating a (bi-racial? or is Megan "black" according to American standards?) woman, Nyakim is taking the fashion world by storm and popular media like Netflix series are showing more and more interracial couples where the woman is black and the man is white.

While I do think it will be some time before any WOC is not "fetishized", I think the younger generation is starting to realize that black truly is beautiful, and the narrative is slowly changing. When I was a little girl the standard of beauty was blonde hair, light eyes, big boobs, long legs. My grandma bought my sister a brunette barbie doll (that she probably had to special order) to teach her she was "pretty". Now all the girls want to look like J-Lo or Kylie with her silicone ass and lips.

My point is, just because society has stonewalled us into a specific belief, does not mean that we all agree. You should 100% charge premium rates based on your looks, level of class and area, not the amount of or lack of melanin in your skin.

StormieKnight
08-14-2017, 12:09 AM
I think its because there are simply more black survival sex workers. Most likely they cannot afford to sit around for days or weeks for a client. Not everyone has access to that privilege. Its not really fair to ask these women to prioritize "the industry" ahead of their own immediate needs.

fbsm_girl
08-14-2017, 06:40 PM
I see it all the time where I live. A lot of black women on bp in my area posting 20, 40, and 50 dollar specials. It's sad. They either don't realize they're worth much more than that or survival escorting. Men around here are cold as hell though with the "white only" crap.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:08 AM
Maybe, because their target customers are ghetto poor black men.

One time I went to a black ghetto strip club in the ghetto part of NJ (long story... I was in NYC and it was the only club open so late). I saw one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my entire life. She was black and absolutely jaw-dropping stunning. She did not belong in this sad black ghetto strip club, she belonged in an upscale gentleman's club with well-off men (of all races/nationalities). True, there may be some drug dealers and other criminal elements with money to rain on her in the ghetto strip club, but, most of the guys in there looked dead-ass-broke.

Women like that need to leave the ghetto environment and learn to hustle in a richer environment. However, they may be held back due to fear and insecurities. (I'm sure they face other obstacles, too - e.g., clubs may not hire black dancers that look, act and talk ghetto.) They may have to work on presentation and communication to avoid turning off or scaring away affluent men. (This applies to trailer park poor white girls, too, and any girl coming from a humble place.) But, once they master these skills, an attractive black woman can be extremely exotic and seductive to wealthy and upper middle-class men (of all races/nationalities). There is a little bit of jungle fever in all of us, you just have to know how to bring it out.

(BTW, I am NOT saying that all black women in sexually oriented businesses come from the ghetto. I am only saying that those that do come from the ghetto are probably the ones with the ridiculously low rates that drive prices down.)

Im a black woman in the industry and I totally agree with everything you said. The things you mentioned are what bought me to this thread I found on the search engine in general. I was browsing listings and keep seeing these stunningly beautiful black women charging the rates of a drug addict from what Ive seen in my life experience. And I thought to myself "someones gotta notice how weird and crazy this is/looks." So I typed a couple of key words in the search engine about it and ended up here. Props to the original poster for bringing this up as well.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:14 AM
I hear what you are saying Kortneykay, but,...

First of all, I'm not white. I'm Latino. Second of all, I grew up in the NYC ghetto.

Growing up in the projects I heard a lot of the same bullshit - that inner city ghetto youth like me couldn't expect to go far in life. We were disadvantaged and disenfranchised and 'the man' would always keep us down. Because of this fatalistic bullshit, most ghetto kids don't even make effort. "Why the fuck even try if the white man gonna keep you down regardless?" "The only way up for a ghetto kid is drug-dealing, pro sports or hip hop/music." But these barriers are self-imposed bullshit. It's a myth to explain why some of our people haven't achieved shit with their lives. Many lazy old fucks say, "I could have been a lawyer or doctor, but, ain't no one gonna give me a chance, so, why even bother?"

They use a mythological villain - 'the man' - as an escape goat for their laziness and trepidation. I'm not saying there aren't some real barriers, but, they can usually be overcome. I got sick of hearing, "Ain't no use going to college." and "You think you gonna be a lawyer? Hah! Hah! Hah! You ain't ever gonna be a lawyer, you fool!" I received scholarships and financial aid, and, I took out so much student loans that it will take more than two decades to pay off, but, it was doable.

Many black and Latinos in the ghetto become used to living with gangs, drugs and violence, but, they are more terrified of white people, so they spent a lifetime hiding in the ghetto. So much waste. There was a stunning Latina in my project. She had the face and body to be a top model or a jet-setting high-class escort (if that is what she wanted), but instead, she ended up becoming a cheap ghetto hooker and crackhead. Very, very sad. She wasn't the only one, either. A few girls I went to school with ended up selling themselves for cheap on ghetto streets. That's where I am coming from.

I wouldn't go anywhere near a ghetto today (except for that one time in NJ). The fucking ghetto just reminds me of all the wasted potential I saw growing up there. It's a sad sad place. If it makes me pretentious to say that, fuck it, I'll say it anyway. I don't mean to insult anyone who lives in the ghetto. I'm just saying - get the fuck out of there.

Im originally from NY as well so I totally get you. Everything you're saying I've experienced and saw and feel very similar about it. Self value is really a mental state. Alot of beautiful people have mental illness unfortunately. I always say "Even Halle Berry played a crack head." And she could have been one if her mental state were different with the same exact looks. Everyones level of ambition isnt the same either. It is what it is. Good read thanks. 👍

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:33 AM
I find the discussions of rate correlated with "worth" interesting and the idea that being desired by rich White men is special.

I think that mind set of "rich white men as special" is speaking more towards the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is held and controlled by those rich white men. Paradoxically I do prefer and have been fortunate enough to attract black clients who arent necessarily rich per say but make a considerably ample income and are also interested in patronizing black women. However the reality is that the large majority of the money market for any person male or female in the adult industry are White Males. I dont think anyone can deny that fact.

Just like I tell any guys I know that are interested in web camming... If you are looking to make real money unfortunately you would have to perform homosexual suggestive acts during your shows or simply deal with alot of homosexual language and advances because the large majority of your audience and spenders will be gay, bi or closeted white males(with black male spenders probably coming in second). I just need to let them know before they unknowingly subjugate themselves to that type of behavior. I dont want them to be shocked and offended when some guy tips 500 tokens and asks them to bend over or see their ass. Or when some bi white guy tells them they want him to bend them over and they worship BBC. Know what I mean. I get these white fetish guys on my cam page all the time and Im a female. They tip me the most alot of times just to share how they love BBC. Sometimes they search out females who will listen and tip for it.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 12:31 PM
I see it all the time where I live. A lot of black women on bp in my area posting 20, 40, and 50 dollar specials. It's sad. They either don't realize they're worth much more than that or survival escorting. Men around here are cold as hell though with the "white only" crap.
That "$50 special" is never for a performance. Typically, its just to get the guy to walk through the door then the girl haggles the guy accordingly.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 12:36 PM
However the reality is that the large majority of the money market for any person male or female in the adult industry are White Males. I dont think anyone can deny that fact.

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Exactly. Socially, white men are the ones who pay for sex.

But again, I think those who are worried they wont have a good clientele are worried for nothing. Perhaps the city plays a role but I'm always seeking rural areas to work where black women are an anomaly and make bank. As I also do in the South. This is the 45+ white collar demo. which is who I prefer anyway.

The least likely to call me are frat boys or nerdy serial killer looking types which is fine by me.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 12:39 PM
I was browsing listings and keep seeing these stunningly beautiful black women charging the rates of a drug addict from what Ive seen in my life experience.

Yea, y'all dont realize on certain sites, all the chicks advertise super cheap "specials" Its just a ploy. You will learn the tricks as you go on.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:01 PM
Yea, y'all dont realize on certain sites, all the chicks advertise super cheap "specials" Its just a ploy. You will learn the tricks as you go on.

Lol a ploy? I know guys that say they've "went all the way" with a lady for 50-60 bucks. I've been web camming for almost 3 years. Men gossip more than females these days. I guess when the haggling doesn't work they give in. There's also a website with listings where guys can comment right under the girls listing and they were going on and on about how they had certain ladies for 50 bucks. So maybe its just a ploy in your neck of the woods(which I doubt tbh) or for certain ladies, but alot of ladies are going to 3rd base for pennies sadly.

Not to mention that is dangerous and not smart. If you're advertising to attract lower end clientele they can have a higher tendency to be violent or aggressive(which im sure of by the way they talk on those comment threads and message boards). I know of a girl years back who was killed in a hotel room. So to trigger a guys anger or not provide what he is expecting for the price is a dangerous game to play.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:16 PM
That "$50 special" is never for a performance. Typically, its just to get the guy to walk through the door then the girl haggles the guy accordingly.

Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

I just dont understand why girls put themselves thru that when theres web camming where you can make anywhere from 100-300 a day. That's really more reason to put your foot down and not even suggest low rates. I see a few ebony cam girls making 300-800 in one day consistently. Of course they had to buy a fake a ss first, but still lol. But this behavior has affected the web camming world for ebonies as well. Its not like when I started a few years ago. Unless you are some freak of nature guys don't spend as much as they used to as often. Some are like why pay 50-100 for a private show when he can get the whole enchilada for that price. The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 02:50 PM
Lol a ploy? I know guys that say they've "went all the way" with a lady for 50-60 bucks. I've been web camming for almost 3 years. Men gossip more than females these days. I guess when the haggling doesn't work they give in. There's also a website with listings where guys can comment right under the girls listing and they were going on and on about how they had certain ladies for 50 bucks. So maybe its just a ploy in your neck of the woods(which I doubt tbh) or for certain ladies, but alot of ladies are going to 3rd base for pennies sadly.

Not to mention that is dangerous and not smart. If you're advertising to attract lower end clientele they can have a higher tendency to be violent or aggressive(which im sure of by the way they talk on those comment threads and message boards). I know of a girl years back who was killed in a hotel room. So to trigger a guys anger or not provide what he is expecting for the price is a dangerous game to play.

Its pretty common for a man to claim he paid a super low rate either to get you to do the same or make it seem like he has game. Its a form of bragging for them.

This industry is dangerous period. You can do everything right and more and still get stabbed in the neck. Plenty of us know girls who have been killed. But how one chooses to hustle is an individual choice.

Either way, you charge what you want and hope for the best. Simple as that.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 02:51 PM
...thank god I'm not on TER cause I wish a mofo would. #BlackGirlMagic

If you've been working for awhile you are on TER. I'd suggest you search the reviews section for your name/Aliases if you haven't already. They talk about every girl who steps her foot in the biz. None of them will tell you they're going to write a review on you or that they're even a member of that site. But a lot of guys will see girls just to review them or just because they liked the previous reviews they saw. If a guy sees a new unreviewed girl they call it "taking one for the team". So offensive, but its part of what we sign up for I guess.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 02:53 PM
Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.

Yes, cause guys don't lie. How many times have I heard a guy claim he paid next to nothing for a chick. K.

Either way, this whole "omg, these low rate girls are messing it up for meeeee" argument is so tired. The industry been oversaturated and cheapened. Get in where you can fit in and keep it moving.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 03:31 PM
Yes, cause guys don't lie. How many times have I heard a guy claim he paid next to nothing for a chick. K.

Either way, this whole "omg, these low rate girls are messing it up for meeeee" argument is so tired. The industry been oversaturated and cheapened. Get in where you can fit in and keep it moving.

I'm pretty sure my ex was telling the truth. I mean we were married and were still on pretty decent terms. He's even done a few adult vids with me to help my biz when I first started out. Perhaps its the ladies who are lying. The guys are usually reporting to each other and discussing amongst themselves on the boards so the other guys know what to expect from the girl. I see a lot of them say "lets help each other out" and "good looking out". Lying about the price and what they can get for it wouldn't be very helpful now would it. And like I said, some may try to haggle but its not very smart.

And I dont need to be told "get in where I fit in" when I've made a pretty hefty annual income over the years with just web camming alone. Well above over the average household median let's just say. I am one of the most popular ebonies on one of the top amateur video content sales websites. You know those sites that have only white girls on their cover promotions. They even featured me so I have long since gotten in where I fit in. I'm just speaking facts based on what I know to be fact, not what I want other ppl to believe. These girls are screwing for dirt cheap. And while theyre using themselves up theses girls on web cam are making ten times the amount in one day and never had to be in the physical presence of a human being. It needs to stop. Not only is it not safe its idiotic asf.

Even the safety of the higher end ladies is not guaranteed but at least the risk is lower. Also, I would like to advise that ladies stop doing in calls. With out call you are at a location where that guy has to provide his personal and legal information in order to be there. So if something happens to the lady ppl will know who did it. The girl who was killed back in the day provided in call so no one knows who killed her. While you are on here tryna give advice to someone who is most likely your elder why dont you listen up and take some. I'm not tryna debate with you sweetheart. So if you dont like what Im saying srry but its the truth. I've been in this industry one way or another for well over a decade on and off, so I think I'm qualified to advise a little.

Exxotica
08-15-2017, 03:40 PM
I'm pretty sure my ex was telling the truth. I mean we were married and were still on pretty decent terms. He's even done a few adult vids with me to help my biz when I first started out. Perhaps its the ladies who are lying. The guys are usually reporting to each other and discussing amongst themselves on the boards so the other guys know what to expect from the girl. I see a lot of them say "lets help each other out" and "good looking out". Lying about the price and what they can get for it wouldn't be very helpful now would it. And like I said, some may try to haggle but its not very smart.

And I dont need to be told "get in where I fit in" when I've made a pretty hefty annual income over the years with just web camming alone. Well above over the average household median let's just say. I am one of the most popular ebonies on one of the top amateur video content sales websites. You know those sites that have only white girls on their cover promotions. They even featured me so I have long since gotten in where I fit in. I'm just speaking facts based on what I know to be fact, not what I want other ppl to believe. These girls are screwing for dirt cheap. And while theyre using themselves up theses girls on web cam are making ten times the amount in one day and never had to be in the physical presence of a human being. It needs to stop. Not only is it not safe its idiotic asf.

Even the safety of the higher end ladies is not guaranteed but at least the risk is lower. Also, I would like to advise that ladies stop doing in calls. With out call you are at a location where that guy has to provide his personal and legal information in order to be there. So if something happens to the lady ppl will know who did it. The girl who was killed back in the day provided in call so no one knows who killed her. While you are on here tryna give advice to someone who is most likely your elder why dont you listen up and take some. I'm not tryna debate with you sweetheart. So if you dont like what Im saying srry but its the truth. I've been in this industry one way or another for well over a decade on and off, so I think I'm qualified to advise a little.

yea, k.

Summer Meadows
08-15-2017, 03:53 PM
yea, k.

Just tryna be helpful sweetie not negative. And just to be fair I'm sure ppl lie of Both genders. But we know what's up in a lot of cases. Let's be real. Peace ✌

jack0177057
08-16-2017, 08:26 AM
Despite all the racial tension going on right now, I think the timing is right for Black women in the adult industry to step up to the next level. If you don't, it's a wasted opportunity. Gorgeous Black women and other women of color are finally beginning to get the attention and recognition they deserve. I've been on a jungle fever for months now, hitting clubs and looking around for Black dancers that look like Beyonce, Nikki Minaj, Nia Long, Gabrielle Union, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Kerry Washington, Damaris Lewis, Veronique Boubane, Meagan Good, etc.

And, maybe it is true that once you go black you don't go back, because, I'm almost exclusive now in my choice of Black dancers now. I have nothing against white dancers though; my wife is white and my romantic partners in the past have been mostly white girls. But lately, the jungle fever has hit hard and made me almost blind to anything else. And, my experiences with Black dancers has been amazing!

I think the way Black girls move up to the next level is with glamour, class and confidence. Strive to be as glamorous, classy and confident as you can be, even if it means you have to fake it to make it.

Summer Meadows
08-16-2017, 11:26 AM
jungle fever

"Jungle Fever"? Really?! That term is very offensive. Thats like referring to black women as animals. Also how tf is that possible when you said you're Hispanic? Do you think you are white? Wow Maybe the other ladies judgement call was correct. Now I think you're totally lying about growing up in the NY inner city. I also suspect that you are white and just said you were otherwise to fit in and contradict the young ladies statement. Thanks for telling on yourself.

Also I prefer black men. Thats why I'm so glad I web cam. I thought about becoming a provider for a short period of time but the universe stopped me. Too many ignorant white men out there(or ignorant Hispanics who are mixed w black and taino but think they are white somehow-there's no way you grew up in NY amongst black ppl and make a statement like that) who fetishize black women when really they are beneath me. To me black men are my equal and genetically superior to white men. So I guess we can all be prejudice if we really speak with someone long enough. I really feel sorry for the ladies who have to expose themselves to these racist ppl unknowingly. I'll stick to my black kings and web cam. Bye

jack0177057
08-16-2017, 08:21 PM
^ That's the term I've heard often, including from Black people, and I've never heard anyone get offended by it. Most often, it's Black guys that use the term to brag about white girls with "jungle fever" - that got turned to Black. Black dudes like the jungle analogy - mysterious, wild, raw, powerful and dangerous - like a Black Panther. If this term is offensive to anyone, I apologize, because it was not my intent to offend anyone. My own people come from the Amazon jungles of South America.

I grew up in NYC (91st Street & Amsterdam - housing projects in Spanish Harlem) until I was 14, and then moved to Long Island. I was a shy kid growing up and did not date a lot up till then. By 14, I had only dated two girls and they were both Puerto Rican. When I moved to Long Island, I stepped into a "white" world. I was intimidated at first, because I had never been around white people before, but, it was actually a lot easier to navigate in this world. I did not have to prove that I was a badass all the time and I did not have to carry weapons with me all the time. Most of the girls I met in Long Island were white, so naturally, I dated mostly white girls. My college was in Long Island and that's where I really came out of my shell and slept with a lot of white sorority girls.

You are such a hypocrite for accusing me of 'fetishizing' Black women when you say you only date Black men because they are "genetically superior to white men". We all know what you really mean. When a person chooses another to be his/her soulmate, it should not be based on color or race or "genetic superiority" - that's not how true love works. If I fetishize Black beauty and sensuality, you do the same... "genetic superiority" is code word for - I am a white girl that loves big black _______ - fill in the blank.

Summer Meadows
08-16-2017, 08:39 PM
You are such a hypocrite for accusing me of 'fetishizing' Black women when you say you only date Black men because they are "genetically superior to white men". We all know what you really mean. When a person chooses another to be his/her soulmate, it should not be based on color or race or "genetic superiority" - that's not how true love works. If I fetishize Black beauty and sensuality, you do the same... "genetic superiority" is code word for - I am a white girl that loves big black _______ - fill in the blank.

I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.

Julianapleases
08-17-2017, 04:52 AM
I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.

Not trying to argue or take sides, but I just wanted to say that, as a white woman, I found this offensive. Also, I have eyes, and I have a very different opinion from yours when it comes to men and what I think looks physically better and who is better in bed(I am an escort who accepts all races as clientele). You cannot speak for everyone else when it comes to what looks good, because it is based on opinion, not facts. And, "cracker"? Really? Nice. Sorry, just had to comment. I usually stay away from any and all confrontation, but damn...

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 05:40 AM
Not trying to argue or take sides, but I just wanted to say that, as a white woman, I found this offensive. Also, I have eyes, and I have a very different opinion from yours when it comes to men and what I think looks physically better and who is better in bed(I am an escort who accepts all races as clientele). You cannot speak for everyone else when it comes to what looks good, because it is based on opinion, not facts. And, "cracker"? Really? Nice. Sorry, just had to comment. I usually stay away from any and all confrontation, but damn...

I am speaking for myself dear. Where in my post did I say I was speaking for everyone? But facts are black ppl have better genetics as a majority for the most part as a whole and it is evident by the aging process for one thing. There are other things but its way too scientific for the ppl on this board. I said what I said. Im not debating personal preference but as a black woman I prefer my own and I dont have to subject myself to anything else. Take it how you want it. But you had no issue with his racist jungle fever comment. One sided but do you. I could care less what you think tbh. I live my life based on my views. I dont wanna fk who you fk so your opinion is fine by me. Take care. ��

jack0177057
08-17-2017, 08:20 AM
Mad? Why would I be mad? You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.


I thought you were a white girl who loves Black dick, but, now I see you are a Black girl who is a total racist. Anyone who says they only date their own race, because it is superior to all others (in whatever way) is a RACIST. Shame on you!... If a white girl said she only dated white guys because (in her stupid opinion) they are intellectually superior to all other races,... would you be okay with that viewpoint?


Whatever baggage you carry with you that fills you up with racial resentment, you need to unload it... and set yourself free! Let's all learn to get along.



I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 05:03 PM
You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.

Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who need whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you are black (unless you personally are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 05:19 PM
You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.

Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who needs whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you are black (unless you personally are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.

423texas
08-17-2017, 05:44 PM
jungle fever ( non - caps ) is a crude and inappropriate term. I'm older than most here, and I wouldn't, and have never used it.

But Jungle Fever ( caps ), is a really good Spike Lee movie from 1991, that I've always enjoyed watching. Particularly, because of the cast, which was truly incredible. I'll cut and paste it,

Cast[edit]
Wesley Snipes as Flipper Purify[1]
Annabella Sciorra as Angie Tucci
Spike Lee as Cyrus
Ossie Davis as The Good Reverend Doctor Purify
Ruby Dee as Mrs. Purify
Samuel L. Jackson as "Gator" Purify[2]
Lonette McKee as Drew Purify
John Turturro as Paulie Carbone
Frank Vincent as Mike Tucci
Anthony Quinn as Lou Carbone
Halle Berry as Vivian
Tyra Ferrell as Orin Goode
Veronica Webb as Vera
Michael Imperioli as James Tucci
Nicholas Turturro as Vinny
Michael Badalucco as Frankie Botz
Debi Mazar as Denise
Tim Robbins as Jerry
Brad Dourif as Leslie
Theresa Randle as Inez

I'd recommend the movie to everyone.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-17-2017, 05:48 PM
Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who needs whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you personally are black (unless you are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.

You should have reported him so that mods can take a look at whats going on. Calling people names like Cracker and Whitey isn't supported here. I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever but that doesn't mean that I'm going to start calling him names. We are sexworkers in the adult industry but that doesn't mean that we're all okay with the same terms. But some of you "customers" need to be more mindful. Especially now more than ever. You wanna objectify and fetishize women..start a damn blog. Some of the female posters on this board should take notes as well.

There is so much shit going on and lots of it is spilling over into this forum. But please do not get it twisted by thinking that you can unleash this type of speech here. NO ONE will listen to you or your message when it's coming from an angry place. It's hard enough to get people to listen in the first place so that they will see you as more than just an angry disgruntled black woman. I am so fucking sick and disgusted right now. I'm also tired. Right now my immediate reaction is to ban the both of you. This is a great thread and conversation that's relevant please don't ruin it that.

Mocha_Sultry
08-17-2017, 05:53 PM
Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more:) I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 06:01 PM
You should have reported him so that mods can take a look at whats going on. Calling people names like Cracker and Whitey isn't supported here. I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever but that doesn't mean that I'm going to start calling him names. We are sexworkers in the adult industry but that doesn't mean that we're all okay with the same terms. But some of you "customers" need to be more mindful. Especially now more than ever. You wanna objectify and fetishize women..start a damn blog. Some of the female posters on this board should take notes as well.

There is so much shit going on and lots of it is spilling over into this forum. But please do not get it twisted by thinking that you can unleash this type of speech here. NO ONE will listen to you or your message when it's coming from an angry place. It's hard enough to get people to listen in the first place so that they will see you as more than just an angry disgruntled black woman. I am so fucking sick and disgusted right now. I'm also tired. Right now my immediate reaction is to ban the both of you. This is a great thread and conversation that's relevant please don't ruin it that.

True, apologies. I'm not even angry but I can admit I can go to extremes to make a point. Wont happen again or I'll reword it to make it sound more 'politically correct' lol. I agree this is a very important informative topic and at first I was just gonna block the guy and not respond but some parts of what I wrote need to be heard.

Most importantly and another fact I forgot to mention is a black person in this society cannot be racist only prejudiced. If you think a black person can be racist then you dont know the definition of Racism. Ppl need to educate themselves. Again apologies for going over board. I did not wish to taint the quality of the discussion.

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 06:03 PM
Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more:) I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.

Lol, true but the Appropriate term for their fetishization is Goddess. Let em know! ��

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-17-2017, 06:09 PM
Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more:) I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.

Not to negate the purpose of your post but FYI I'm from the Dominican Republic 12 years until I moved to Miami and fetishizing is a thing among Latinos and Afro Latinos. But here in the US it's given a fancy name like colorism instead. It's real.

Mocha_Sultry
08-17-2017, 06:19 PM
Yeah I knew about the colorism. Sometimes these older Puertorican men will come into the club and call me Carmella, but some of the other girls Negritas. I didn't understand the difference, but he told me it's differentiating between skin-tones. It's practically in every ethnicity/race {colorism}: Asians, Indians, Blacks & Hispanics/Latinos/Latinas. Still never heard a guy from neither Latin ethnic background say J.F lol. Maybe I should get out more after work.

Not to negate the purpose of your post but FYI I'm from the Dominican Republic 12 years until I moved to Miami and fetishizing is a thing among Latinos and Afro Latinos. But here in the US it's given a fancy name like colorism instead. It's real.

Summer Meadows
08-17-2017, 07:12 PM
Yeah I knew about the colorism. Sometimes these older Puertorican men will come into the club and call me Carmella, but some of the other girls Negritas. I didn't understand the difference, but he told me it's differentiating between skin-tones. It's practically in every ethnicity/race {colorism}: Asians, Indians, Blacks & Hispanics/Latinos/Latinas. Still never heard a guy from neither Latin ethnic background say J.F lol. Maybe I should get out more after work.

So true even Asians and Hindi ppl go thru it. Globally we have been so brain washed as a human race to hate black when melanin in and of itself is Extremely healthy to the human body. I could go on all day. But even Asians have this stigma that if they are tan or peach colored instead of snow white they are not beautiful enough. Its really nuts. Total insanity.

When other races do this to themselves within their own ethnicity you get a better understanding of the racism directed toward black ppl. They were taught this ignorance about themselves in their own homes. So its unbelievable to them when they see black ppl loving themselves and their own.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:22 AM
First of all, what someone charges going in the door isn't always what they walk out the door with in their hand. Sometimes that rate is just to show the fuck up & nothing more.

Don't assume because you list one price & it's all inclusive that everyone else works the same way.

I used to know plenty of gals who charged a low rate just to show up & then negotiated the price for everything else. This was common in Vegas, $250 to show up then way more for other stuff. My Ex ordered a hot big boob blonde, she showed up, took the $250 & said she'd be right back. She had to go to the car & get condoms. Needless to say, she never came back. I laughed so hard at him trying to cheat of me & getting ripped off at the same time.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:28 AM
When reading ads, determining anything by them is crazy........ Some agencies will use every description & every price to get men to call & book gals. They really don't care about what you ordered either & just send a person out telling them to make it work & brink back way more money than the asking prices.


Nor do you know if it is the police setting you up either. You have NO idea who is really placing those ads & who will really show the fuck up.

Stop pretending all those ads are legit & honestly describing the person who will show up. STOP assuming the ads are placed by the person in them too.

I've seen ads with Super Models in them charging $200 an hour. Any man who thinks Cindy Crawford, Linda Evangelista circa their early 20s is going to actually show up & be $200 is CRAZY!

Hell, I've seen ad with my pics but different name and I'm $100 an hour. Called the gal up & asked if she was really the person in the pic. Hilarious to hear her try to convince me she was me.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:43 AM
Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

I just dont understand why girls put themselves thru that when theres web camming where you can make anywhere from 100-300 a day. That's really more reason to put your foot down and not even suggest low rates. I see a few ebony cam girls making 300-800 in one day consistently. Of course they had to buy a fake a ss first, but still lol. But this behavior has affected the web camming world for ebonies as well. Its not like when I started a few years ago. Unless you are some freak of nature guys don't spend as much as they used to as often. Some are like why pay 50-100 for a private show when he can get the whole enchilada for that price. The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.


Just to clarify... you believe men on a cam site & what they say is the truth.......................

LMAO So then all those marriage proposals were real?
What about all those millions promised to me over the years by men who never spent a dime on me on cam?

MEN LIE!

You don't know shit. How are you not banned when obviously, you are a man & not a real cam girl.

Men who cam don't buy cam shows because they can go & get laid for $50 to $100. If they can get fucked for that price, they'd be getting fucked rather than logging onto a cam site. Hookers who cost $100 are NOT my competition but they maybe yours.

Men with money, real money would NEVER see a gal who charged less than $300 per hour as an escort. Men who pay $50 to $100 are always looking to rip gals who charge that little off.

What I can tell, is you don't know shit about any part of the sex industry, the camming industry or the porn industry.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:54 AM
I think its because there are simply more black survival sex workers. Most likely they cannot afford to sit around for days or weeks for a client. Not everyone has access to that privilege. Its not really fair to ask these women to prioritize "the industry" ahead of their own immediate needs.

This is some RACIST Bullshit & propaganda.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:56 AM
I noticed that on sexy jobs also and when I was running an agency girls would come to me and state they were Brazilian yet not know a lick of Portuguese, or Dominican and not know any Spanish. We marketed them honestly and to be fair the quality clients came through. One client would strictly ask me to seek out a model-body black model in every city he traveled to.

I think the tide is changing however, gradually.

Sexy JObs should be shut down. If you go to the warning page for the job seekers it is crime after crime after crime against every female who post on there.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 01:57 AM
In my region the low charging WOC tend to be drug addicted. All the WOC girls I consider peers to me charge more than me, actually.

Drug addiction has ZERO to do with race. All drug addicts charge very little in order to get their fix. Race of the addict has nothing to do with anything.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 02:00 AM
I kind of don't want to put this in here butttt.............a friend of my brother who lived in NYC during the 1970s bragged that he could "do more" for less with WOC sex workers versus the other options at the time (peepshow girls, girls working out of organized brothels, & strippers.) With older white males there is the stereotype that WOC are oversexed & are looking for a "Daddy" to rescue them from broke single motherhood/ the hood.

This unfortunately feeds into the trends of WOC charging less & being disrespected.

These issues happen everywhere. I had a guy back out of a private show after I drove to his house because he was a light skinned Phillipino & thought I was "too brown" for his taste. LOL. Nice. Even my agency boss was laughing out loud at his little boy tantrum on the phone about how I was brown sugary & not paper white.

NYC was a completely different city in the 1970s. Sex stores, peep shows on every corner even Time Square, rent was dirt cheap & being mugged was a daily event.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 02:05 AM
People tell them to. I notice this mindset in sex work circles online, encouraging usually Black women to charge low and be accessible so AT LEAST they get clients. They're not taught how to navigate the higher end markets

I find the discussions of rate correlated with "worth" interesting and the idea that being desired by rich White men is special.

ALL Women are told to be cheap............ by whom? Men
Men will lie & use whatever they can to get over on EVERYONE!

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 02:07 AM
If you've been working for awhile you are on TER. I'd suggest you search the reviews section for your name/Aliases if you haven't already. They talk about every girl who steps her foot in the biz. None of them will tell you they're going to write a review on you or that they're even a member of that site. But a lot of guys will see girls just to review them or just because they liked the previous reviews they saw. If a guy sees a new unreviewed girl they call it "taking one for the team". So offensive, but its part of what we sign up for I guess.

You are going to school us on TER.............. funny

Please get out of the sex industry. You are a danger to yourself & other people with the stuff you write.

jack0177057
08-18-2017, 08:51 AM
@ PhatGirlDynomite & everybody - Sorry, I sincerely did not know that term was offensive. Like I said, I've heard Black dudes use it bragging about themselves and I've heard it used in the Spike Lee movie and other (non-racist) movies.

I apologize to everyone and anyone I might have offended with the use of this term.

I'm open to learning and being schooled on racial sensitivity... I LOVE Black dancers... Does this mean I am I fetishizing them?... Am I objectifying them?... Should I stop getting dances from Black girls until I get over this fetish (or fixation or obsession or whatever you want to call it)?... I am seriously confused right now and need advice on this...


I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever

miss.a.p1600
08-18-2017, 09:19 AM
I personally don't think you mean harm since you ask how to be wise about the subject. To me "jungle fever" is not only theme of the 80's movie (maybe the term is a bit outdated) but it's similar to the more current word "swirling" etc.

If I heard someone say "jungle fever" I'd be like wtf this dude has no clue/out of touch with modern day black culture.

But As long as your encounters are consensual/not hurting anyone then it should be all good.

Also striving to learn about other cultures is helpful too. Asking a variety of Black women how they feel about xyz topic before assuming is the best thing to do.

Also just because a group calls their people certain terms doesn't mean it's a good thing as a person not a part of that group to do the same.

The problem I see with men "fetishizing" a group of women is when they treat them less than the women of their group of origin. For example men who intentionally seek out minority women so they can get cheap deals or while they claim to "love" minority women they indirectly/directly contribute to the oppression of said women for example they only see minority sex workers (usually in secrecy) while providing generously for Anglo Saxon wives.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-18-2017, 10:12 AM
The problem with the term jungle fever is implies that black people are primitive and come from the jungle until a white person comes along and....you get where I'm going with this? Some may not realize the connotation but there it is.

Well said MissAP and valid point. Swirling, Down with the swirl is far better way of saying it.

Djoser
08-18-2017, 10:25 AM
Most importantly and another fact I forgot to mention is a black person in this society cannot be racist only prejudiced.

Bullshit.

miss.a.p1600
08-18-2017, 10:48 AM
what I took willow summers post meaning that while Blacks/People of African decent can feel pride in their culture - or on the more extreme end - as though their race is superior, in the past and current day, they are not able to oppress the Majority European culture/race.

Maybe in some areas European men feel discriminated against based on race/culture but in the big picture grand scheme the people controlling the laws, wealth, education, religion, etc of this country (and who have the most power) are mostly men of European decent.

Being "racist" is more about power and oppression.

There is a disproportionate incarceration of Black and Hispanic, there is racial discrimination in hiring (hence why black women frequently get turned down at "white" and "mixed" clubs once the "quota" is met - if they are hired they are forced into European standards of beauty) (also why this thread exists because Black women are told they are not as valuable and must charge less than their counterparts); media constantly portraying Black women as drug addicts, baby momma, welfare queens, crack addicts, etc.; and there is lack of investment in neighborhoods/schools where minorities reside.

Sam38g
08-18-2017, 12:35 PM
Can't base society today on a movie made in the 1980s.

I can't assume people in high school today are like those in movies like "Grease 1 & 2 or Pretty in Pink" Nor have I yet to walk into "Road house" kind of bars with a hot bouncer who is secretly rich.