View Full Version : My husband is spending the money I MAKE from camming on other models. What do i do?
bbwbrianna
02-13-2017, 06:13 PM
He should not have access to your money. There are ways he can work from home and bring in income. Sorry but when men have to live off women I get livid, regardless of if he takes care of you or not. It shouldn't be all on you to pay all the bills. If that were me in your situation and he spent all my money like that he would be DEAD. Literally dead. Body parts hidden under the floorboards dead.
Jupiter77
02-13-2017, 06:22 PM
This is the first time he has ever spent anything without consulting me about it, and I can guarentee you it will be the last!
AND-
Guess who now has a listing for gay sexting/pic trading?
}:D}:D}:D}:D}:D
sexyadrienne
02-13-2017, 06:32 PM
This is the first time he has ever spent anything without consulting me about it, and I can guarentee you it will be the last!
AND-
Guess who now has a listing for gay sexting/pic trading?
}:D}:D}:D}:D}:D
I highly suggest that you follow @yeoshinlourdes on twitter and #DumpHim2017. Remove that parasite from your money making coach!
Jupiter77
02-13-2017, 06:37 PM
I highly suggest that you follow @yeoshinlourdes on twitter and #DumpHim2017. Remove that parasite from your money making coach!
Parasite?
Wanna rephrase that?
heyho
02-13-2017, 06:40 PM
Him living off you is one thing, not ideal but it happens often enough between couples and we shouldn't judge... but spending your hard-earned money on frivolous things, especially other women, double especially without your permission and infinite especially while hiding it from you - god fucking damn that asshole.
I'm sorry that happened.
Absolutely bring it up to him, but decide what you're going to do about it first. Don't let his apologising and excuses and pleading tempt you to let him off the hook. $50 is forgivable but $400 is a LOT of money, and I can't imagine trying to cam while epileptic so it must hurt extra hard. We don't earn our money sitting at a desk while the hourly wage rolls in, we earn it busting our humps with no guarantees or security. And it's awful that he didn't respect how much blood sweat and tears went into making that money.
He needs to sort his shit out and occupy his time, if not with work, with other productive things to take his mind off porn.
Your dog is super cute btw!
fbsmgirl
02-13-2017, 06:41 PM
He wasnt home at the time, when he finally came home he came home to a disaster. I was drunk, fighting, yelling, and all this bullshit.
He told me to sit down, grabbed his laptop and pulled up his chaturbate page.
All of the tokens he had purchased her still there.
His username was something along the lines of " ilovejupiter" or some shit.
and he said he was going to surprise me on valentines day because I was crying and flipping the other day because I was online for hours and only made 130 tokens.
So it made me feel a little better but I WAS STILL PISSED BECAUSE GOD DAMNIT YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN ME THE MONEY INSTEAD..
SO now I still lose out on money because of chaturbates percent, and hes a dumbass for doing it..
Wait a minute. So your husband took money you made out of your account and loaded his Chaturbate account with it so he could spend it on you?
And you justtify it because it's your first fight, according to you, you don't know how to handle money and he's helping you deal with your illness.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around this whole thing like...
WHAT?
I don't see how his actions are justifiable.
Marina Starr
02-13-2017, 06:51 PM
Some of the comments are helpful while others are just down right uncalled for... and rather RUDE.
http://i66.tinypic.com/dqlx04.gif
Jupiter77
02-13-2017, 06:59 PM
I never thought there would be so much hate on a woman being the breadwinner in 2017..
I understand that the title of this forum is no longer relevant. Every token is still in his CB account that he made. He did not spend it on anyone, and hes not a liar. Just a bad hider of things.
His intentions were good, he was trying to make me feel better because I break down almost everyday because I sit on cam for HOURS with nothing
As for him not being out the house,
I have seizures every day. Multiple times a day. He gives me my meds, helps me when I forget stuff, and keeps an eye on me because I can fall over at any minute (Boy do I miss the days of shitting with the door closed)
But for real. Everybody needs to calm down.
I'm aware I started a ruckus. I was PISSED at first.
Its now the next day, and the truth came out.
and also,
I'm not gonna get a fucking divorce because my husband was trying to do something nice in a stupid as fuck way.
I'm sorry if im sounding like a bitch, i'm not trying to be. I really appreciated everybodys responses but you guys are seriously tripping me the fuck out right now.
It's too much
I'm leaving for the day
Love you bye.
lol
Jupiter77
02-13-2017, 07:00 PM
Wait a minute. So your husband took money you made out of your account and loaded his Chaturbate account with it so he could spend it on you?
And you justtify it because it's your first fight, according to you, you don't know how to handle money and he's helping you deal with your illness.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around this whole thing like...
WHAT?
I don't see how his actions are justifiable.
I justify it because hes a fucking idiot and wanted to make me smile for once after a shift
sexyadrienne
02-13-2017, 07:07 PM
I never thought there would be so much hate on a woman being the breadwinner in 2017..
I understand that the title of this forum is no longer relevant. Every token is still in his CB account that he made. He did not spend it on anyone, and hes not a liar. Just a bad hider of things.
His intentions were good, he was trying to make me feel better because I break down almost everyday because I sit on cam for HOURS with nothing
As for him not being out the house,
I have seizures every day. Multiple times a day. He gives me my meds, helps me when I forget stuff, and keeps an eye on me because I can fall over at any minute (Boy do I miss the days of shitting with the door closed)
But for real. Everybody needs to calm down.
I'm aware I started a ruckus. I was PISSED at first.
Its now the next day, and the truth came out.
and also,
I'm not gonna get a fucking divorce because my husband was trying to do something nice in a stupid as fuck way.
I'm sorry if im sounding like a bitch, i'm not trying to be. I really appreciated everybodys responses but you guys are seriously tripping me the fuck out right now.
It's too much
I'm leaving for the day
Love you bye.
lol
So wait . . . He was trying to tip you?
Jupiter77
02-13-2017, 07:09 PM
So wait . . . He was trying to tip you?
YES
He showed me his CB account. The username is like Jupiters-something I dont really remember
and he was going to tip me on valentines day to make me smile.
We share money, He transferred it into my school account and made the purchase from there.
He really didnt think it through, and didnt know that CB takes a %
Hes a sweetheart, just a stupid sweetheart.
DamnJolene
02-13-2017, 07:19 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Christ, what a dickhead. At the VERY least separate your finances for a while (clearly he can't be trusted with your money). Honestly I'd consider leaving him, but this violates my boundaries on a whole lot of levels, boundaries that you may or may not share. But at the very least I would make sure he can't do it again.
I agree with her so much, but not my place lol
edit: I'm not sure what to think of this thread looking at the latest posts.
sexyadrienne
02-13-2017, 07:20 PM
YES
He showed me his CB account. The username is like Jupiters-something I dont really remember
and he was going to tip me on valentines day to make me smile.
We share money, He transferred it into my school account and made the purchase from there.
He really didnt think it through, and didnt know that CB takes a %
Hes a sweetheart, just a stupid sweetheart.
https://m.popkey.co/ab0d84/7z76z.gif
DamnJolene
02-13-2017, 07:41 PM
You married a superfan!!!
That's like me being Mariah Carey and marrying Eminem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8
fbsmgirl
02-13-2017, 07:46 PM
L. M. A. O.
That is all.
Back to regular scheduled programming.
DonaDiabla
02-13-2017, 08:04 PM
Actually, I would love to see Mariah Carey marry Eminem :) That would be hilarious because it would absurd and he would be broke by the end of their marriage. :) LOL!
You married a superfan!!!
That's like me being Mariah Carey and marrying Eminem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8
DamnJolene
02-13-2017, 08:33 PM
Actually... I think it would make both of them 3-5x richer and put them on the map (because the tabloids would be all over that... like Britney in 2007, which separate her from Xtina) **Eminem would be broke for a minute, but he'll get paid in royalties from the steamy music videos with Mariah Carey; like they could release a "duet" album called, "M&E"*, but pronounce it as 'enemy'... 8 songs with Mariah, 6 songs from Eminem (Eminem would be a feature on some songs, and Mariah would be a feature on his songs; 2 singles with them as equals), and go on a 1-year tour *. It wouldn't be bad publicity, but just "what???", and then they should create a short-term reality TV show *OBSESSION", about the chronicles of their relationship and their marriage. It would so be a late 2010s-early 2020s pop iconic moment. Both of their careers haven't been on the map, just moderate, and this would be the moment to pull this stunt off... of course...
I'm not their manager lol!
Of course, Mariah should wear a sultry-golden dress in the wedding scene "might as well make the wedding a music video feature", like Queen Boleyn when she was mocking the death of one of her husband's ex wives death.
Screw the heart. I would TOTALLY do this even if it's fake love, if I was Mariah!!! She's not getting any younger or prettier! And the last time I heard of Eminem being on the map was when he did that duet with Rihanna... that was like half a decade ago.
RavenSkyeXXX
02-13-2017, 09:09 PM
Exactly! And, can you remember where/how he got that job so I can do it? lol No, seriously.
Jupiter, I think that's really sweet that he wanted to help you and cheer you up. I get it why you make the money and he takes care of you. That's a good thing. The service dog is an amazing idea because if your hubby is out running errands, or you guys split, up, whatever, your dog will start barking/go alert someone, etc. Look into it please.
Also, everyone else is right. He can 100% get at least one work at home gig. Tell him to 1) start being your manager/agent and marketing the SHIT out of you and your profiles. 2) look on craigslist, check the telecommute box in the jobs sections of different large cities, and get a work from home job. 3) Remind him that any purchase over x amount of $ needs to be run by you, first. That would be a good idea, right?
I have severe chronic pain, depression, anxiety, other mental illness and I'm a single mom of an autistic son so I understand dealing with illness while having to have the added stress of making a lot of money. Hang in there and take care of yourself.
Also, can everyone please stop immediately saying "leave him asap"? Enough people abandon ship the minute they have a fight or things get a little rough. A marriage is a commitment and supposed to be worked on unless it's obviously something huge and unforgivable. You guys can try counseling to get your trust in him back, maybe?
there are plenty of jobs he could do from home. Hell, my ex bf landed a job reviewing porn. No joke! It was a legit job and he got paid $45 per review lol! I would cam and he would watch porn and write a review under the name "Graham Stroker" he went to school to be a writer.. lot of good that did! hahahaha But yeah maybe he could land a job like that, or make him do affiliate stuff. He can do that stuff behind the scenes and potentially make some pretty good money. And he could still take care of you while he does that.
MistressX
02-13-2017, 09:21 PM
Oh gosh I dont know.. It was so many years ago. I remember it was a very small company. I cant remember why they needed reviews. He would read them to me after he was done. It was hilarious.
RavenSkyeXXX
02-13-2017, 09:26 PM
..And I really don't' understand yours at all. I said good for her for making all the money. I gave her ideas for her husband to get a work from home job so he can start making money and take stress off of her and stop spending her $ because 1) she has a severe illness which is aggravated by stress and 2) I think both parties should help contribute to the finances, if possible. I also just told you guys that I have the farthest thing from a "carefree" lifestyle so I really don't understand what you're trying to say. But, I'm glad you're independent and have a nice night? :)
RavenSkyeXXX
02-13-2017, 09:27 PM
That's so neat. :) You must have had a blast reading some of them.
Oh gosh I dont know.. It was so many years ago. I remember it was a very small company. I cant remember why they needed reviews. He would read them to me after he was done. It was hilarious.
laurielegs
02-13-2017, 10:07 PM
I was crying and flipping the other day because I was online for hours and only made 130 tokens.
I hope he can find some sort of online job he can do but in the meantime a couple things occurred to me. We all have days like that where its just so discouraging but if it's happening a lot maybe look into running a few sites at once or try a private based site. I could never support myself on what I make on token sites, just doesn't work for me while others bank there. Not every site works for every model.
Also I was wondering if you can get some sort of help from your state. I went to college with someone who had pretty bad epilepsy and she had a companion that was paid by the state. I'm not sure how she qualified but she didn't have to pay for that. I'm guessing she was on disability or something?
MistressX
02-13-2017, 10:47 PM
Nah, it was more annoying than anything aside from the amusement of the reviews. I told him he had to get a job because I was the only one making money (sorta like the OP's situaton) and that's what he went and got lol... men lol
DeepThoughts
02-14-2017, 02:35 AM
Jupiter, I think that's really sweet that he wanted to help you and cheer you up. I get it why you make the money and he takes care of you. That's a good thing. The service dog is an amazing idea because if your hubby is out running errands, or you guys split, up, whatever, your dog will start barking/go alert someone, etc.
Okay Im going to bud in here on a major topic change but actually a seizure alert dog is able to detect a seizure just before its about to happen. They are able to alert their owner so they have time to get some place safe and lay down so that they do not hurt themselves while seizing. The dog normally wears a harness that can also assist with this and stays with its owner during the seizure to help the person come out of it by licking the persons face and laying close to the body. Just after a seizure a person is confused and disorientated the touch of the dog and stimulation of the licking help to ground the person.
I just bud in cause its super amazing to me that dogs can do this. I know its seriously expensive to buy these dogs because its very difficult to train and obviously not all dogs can be candidates. I wonder where you got your dog from, how far along in training you are and how old she is. She is going to end up being a very large dog! You mostly see retrievers doing the work as service dogs. Its good to see other breeds out there doing it as well.
PixiieGirl
02-14-2017, 05:40 AM
Im glad I rechecked this thread cause while it was a dumb move it's really sweet to me
hope the tips can help you generate some more income x
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 11:38 AM
Okay Im going to bud in here on a major topic change but actually a seizure alert dog is able to detect a seizure just before its about to happen. They are able to alert their owner so they have time to get some place safe and lay down so that they do not hurt themselves while seizing. The dog normally wears a harness that can also assist with this and stays with its owner during the seizure to help the person come out of it by licking the persons face and laying close to the body. Just after a seizure a person is confused and disorientated the touch of the dog and stimulation of the licking help to ground the person.
I just bud in cause its super amazing to me that dogs can do this. I know its seriously expensive to buy these dogs because its very difficult to train and obviously not all dogs can be candidates. I wonder where you got your dog from, how far along in training you are and how old she is. She is going to end up being a very large dog! You mostly see retrievers doing the work as service dogs. Its good to see other breeds out there doing it as well.
We have to drive 6 hours to the trainer and because of our car being out she hasnt been in about a week.
She's doing very good at watching me.
Like when im in the other room, and she sees me start to wobble she HOWLS like crazy so that way he can run to wherever I am.
I did wake up to her sitting on me the other day, gotta work on that lol
persianprincess
02-14-2017, 12:38 PM
^^^ I love this. Dogs are amazing.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 12:49 PM
^^^ I love this. Dogs are amazing.
They are. I just love them <3
Louise Love
02-14-2017, 01:41 PM
That is one of the sweetest things I ever heard. I think you got yourself a good man there. They are hard to find.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 02:08 PM
That is one of the sweetest things I ever heard. I think you got yourself a good man there. They are hard to find.
and I just want to say for the record. He does feel terrible about not bringing in any money, but at this point. Why? I make more than enough with all my side gigs. Im a natural born hustler, I can take care of us.
He really is an amazing husband, and Iwouldnt trade him for the world
Miss-Trust
02-14-2017, 02:26 PM
Oh dear what a complete plonker! He meant well though and it was actually a really thoughtful gesture. He sounds like a good guy.
I think that some of the girls on this thread have been a bit unfair. He isn't a parasite or bum. The set up you both have sounds like a good idea and obviously works well. The only issue being that it puts alot of pressure on you to earn enough to pay for everything.
Stay at home jobs can be pretty hard to come by but I do have an idea that might help.
How about you spend a day or 2 a week just filming lots of clips and doing lots of pictures of you solo and also of both of you together. Then let your husband do all of the editing, uploading and upkeep of these clips and pictures. There are lots of clips sites out there and the upkeep of all of them along with finding all of the new ones, creating profiles on them and editing all of the clips takes up a hell of alot of time. Sometimes alot more time than a cam girls has to spare. He could take over and expand that part your business and dedicate alot of time to it.
Aswell as taking over the clip sites he could also deal with selling things of yours like panties, promoting you and keeping your Twitter and social media sites up to date. He just needs you to stock pile selfies and wotnot for him.
I'm sure that there is plenty that you can find for him to do within your business and turning it into a joint business that brings in alot more money instead. It may take him a while to get the hang of everything but he can always look through all the information that is stockpiled on sites like this one.
X
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 02:31 PM
Oh dear what a complete plonker! He meant well though and it was actually a really thoughtful gesture. He sounds like a good guy.
I think that some of the girls on this thread have been a bit unfair. He isn't a parasite or bum. The set up you both have sounds like a good idea and obviously works well. The only issue being that it puts alot of pressure on you to earn enough to pay for everything.
Stay at home jobs can be pretty hard to come by but I do have an idea that might help.
How about you spend a day or 2 a week just filming lots of clips and doing lots of pictures of you solo and also of both of you together. Then let your husband do all of the editing, uploading and upkeep of these clips and pictures. There are lots of clips sites out there and the upkeep of all of them along with finding all of the new ones, creating profiles on them and editing all of the clips takes up a hell of alot of time. Sometimes alot more time than a cam girls has to spare. He could take over and expand that part your business and dedicate alot of time to it.
Aswell as taking over the clip sites he could also deal with selling things of yours like panties, promoting you and keeping your Twitter and social media sites up to date. He just needs you to stock pile selfies and wotnot for him.
I'm sure that there is plenty that you can find for him to do within your business and turning it into a joint business that brings in alot more money instead. It may take him a while to get the hang of everything but he can always look through all the information that is stockpiled on sites like this one.
X
Thank you love for all your positive words.
I love all your ideas and im gonna see if he will keep up with my social media.
I guess he does contribute because I sell our videos online
but then again what man is gonna complain of getting a blowjob :p
Again, thank you <3
Miss-Trust
02-14-2017, 02:43 PM
"I guess he does contribute because I sell our videos online
but then again what man is gonna complain of getting a blowjob :p"
Lol ain't that the truth! Lol
X
JaneBurgess
02-14-2017, 03:32 PM
I think people are just surprised at your comments. If you are the sole bread winner, he should be doing most of the housework. I was shocked when you said he doesnt do housework ever. He has no job and doesnt do any housework, that doesnt seem fair to you at all. If you are the only one working he should be the maid, the cook and the lawn crew.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 04:11 PM
Thats mostly my fault. I grew up in a household where my mother catered to any man she was with. I learned from her to take care of our men.
but hes also cleaning the house as we speak lol
while I sit on my ass talking to you guys lol
fbsmgirl
02-14-2017, 04:22 PM
Lots of doublespeak here.
JaneBurgess
02-14-2017, 07:03 PM
Thats mostly my fault. I grew up in a household where my mother catered to any man she was with. I learned from her to take care of our men.
but hes also cleaning the house as we speak lol
while I sit on my ass talking to you guys lol
LOL see. Sometimes its good to take a break and have him clean. I let me hubby clean but he is not allowed to touch my steam mop or laundry. He sucks at both of those.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 07:10 PM
LOL see. Sometimes its good to take a break and have him clean. I let me hubby clean but he is not allowed to touch my steam mop or laundry. He sucks at both of those.
I dont think I would let him do laundry. I would have an anxiety attack lol.
The only thing he absolutely refuses to do is dishes but I enjoy them because I have bad bad hands and the warm water feels good lol.
but-
he broke the vaccumm today. It just shut off and wont turn back on lol
He just stared at it for like 5 minutes. I thought I heard him say " please work" at some point
god its so funny lol.
arielbriel
02-14-2017, 07:50 PM
You're enabling him to not be a productive member of society. What happens if you can't cam anymore?
kortneykay
02-14-2017, 08:10 PM
I'm trying to understand how to make sense of all of this. Of course, it's your marriage so it's not necessary, but you did ask for help. I understand that you believe he meant well with adding money to CB to spend on you, but what would be the point in that? Why take your hard earned money and use it? Was he doing it to help pump up your room? And even so, if his excuse was for "valentine's day" why didn't he just save up his own money (or hell, steal yours again) and buy you something with it instead?
I'm sorry but if you're a man that doesn't have a job, you're doing the fucking dishes. In fact, nothing will be off limits (I would show you how to do laundry properly) A man invented the washer and dryer, they also make the parts for it and fix them, they know how to use it, if not, google is their friend or a quick lesson from you on how not to mix the lights with the darks, etc. What's his reasoning for being out of work, and how old is he?
Get him out tomorrow ASAP and fill out 50 applications or temp service until he finds something, anything. If you burn out, your income drops drastically, or you're sick/ragging, that pressure is all on your shoulders. That's unfair.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 08:24 PM
I'm trying to understand how to make sense of all of this. Of course, it's your marriage so it's not necessary, but you did ask for help. I understand that you believe he meant well with adding money to CB to spend on you, but what would be the point in that? Why take your hard earned money and use it? Was he doing it to help pump up your room? And even so, if his excuse was for "valentine's day" why didn't he just save up his own money (or hell, steal yours again) and buy you something with it instead?
I'm sorry but if you're a man that doesn't have a job, you're doing the fucking dishes. In fact, nothing will be off limits (I would show you how to do laundry properly) A man invented the washer and dryer, they also make the parts for it and fix them, they know how to use it, if not, google is their friend or a quick lesson from you on how not to mix the lights with the darks, etc. What's his reasoning for being out of work, and how old is he?
Get him out tomorrow ASAP and fill out 50 applications or temp service until he finds something, anything. If you burn out, your income drops drastically, or you're sick/ragging, that pressure is all on your shoulders. That's unfair.
I'm sorry but I run my household differently than yours. and I AM NOT making him get a job outside this house you must be out of your god damned mind.
starburst
02-14-2017, 09:06 PM
not sure how long you've been camming for, but i'm in four years deep and it IS starting to put wear on me. i'm the bread winner (as you know) in my household, and my fiance is currently not "working", but he has been doing articles on a site called textbroker here and there. he also enrolled himself in college because he knew the opportunity to make great money is just not going to happen without a degree - especially around here. while it sucks being the only one working right now, it is nice to have someone fix dinner/clean/films with me/work on their education/etc.
now - your hubby takes care of your needs and it's so nice to have that around. it can be understood why he isn't working NOW, but what will he and you do later on in life? i don't think it's fair to call kortney out of her mind because she did bring up a valid point. this job will take a toll on you - being the only one providing will take a toll on you, whether it is now or later on in life. i know this because just recently, i started freaking out about the pressure of it. since our arrangement does at least have an "end goal," i struggle everyday to keep my mouth shut and just accept what's happening because he IS trying to better himself and i know how terrible labor work is for him due to his medical issues.
i pm'd you last night because i figured i could relate to this in a way, but after thinking about it some more, i didn't realize that your husband isn't the ill one...you are. you're the ill one and you're the sole provider for the household? this i am struggling to understand, but everyone is different and to each their own.
ScarletKitten
02-14-2017, 11:26 PM
Ok, first of all, he needs to find a work from home job ASAP. And he is the one who needs to find it. Why is everyone suggesting you find him a job?? He is a grown adult, is he not?!
Secondly, why does he refuse to do the dishes? You're making all the money, and he refuses to do the dishes?? Excuse me?! You stated earlier in the thread that he never does housework, but now all of a sudden he starts vacuuming and he breaks the vacuum. *face palm*
I get it that you need a caretaker, but he STILL needs to be making some fucking money. And the fact that he usually doesn't do housework and definitely never does the dishes. I'm sorry girl, but this man is taking advantage of you.
Look, I had a guy live with me who didn't work (different story, he was an "illegal" alien and couldn't legally find a job. But he did work some under-the-table gigs when he could find them.) And...he did ALL the housework. He would cook the food, clean, do dishes, massage me, etc. But I still got fed up of him not making money, so long story short, I broke up with him. He wasn't a bad guy, but....I can't financially support a man ever again. I got BURNED THE FUCK OUT.
The point is, men who don't make money is a big "NO!" from me. Sorry to be so blunt. Burn-out and resentment will come to the surface one of these days, believe me.
Jupiter77
02-14-2017, 11:45 PM
I have a feeling that as long as this threads here im gonna be bitched at for not making myhusband work so im out.
It was nice to be on SW for the time I was on here,
but im not taking your shit anymore
Im out.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-14-2017, 11:54 PM
I have a feeling that as long as this threads here im gonna be bitched at for not making myhusband work so im out.
It was nice to be on SW for the time I was on here,
but im not taking your shit anymore
Im out.
I wondered how long before you tapped out? I'm gonna close the thread but you don't have to leave the forum. You've been given some amazing advice even when it wasn't wrapped up in a pretty little package. So please stick around, you're kinda cool. No one is gonna judge you going forward. We get threads like this several times a year in camming connection. I'd love to consolidate them all and then send them to Life Support, but I won't. Please try to move past this and remember you were the one who put your business out there for others to weigh in on.