View Full Version : Bill Maher jokes he a "house n*##@"
miss.a.p1600
06-08-2017, 11:10 AM
First please don't assume how I'm feeling.
But yes one issue can spark a chain reaction so the initial action is not as significant as the bigger picture. And perhaps my personal experience has influenced my views for which I am trying to leave out as much as possible to remain objective. But when well known people like Bill makes these comments on national tv people are going to speculate like what is the agenda?
And while I said I don't think he was using it in a prejudice context I also said I don't know him personally. This is one of those times I can see both sides of the coin and so therefore am neutral. If I knew him personally I could make a more definitive stance.
And I think you're hearing me say he's a role model that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he is a male with high level of influence and millions of viewers some of which are young impressionable people. So to me if you can influence millions of people that would count as a leader of sorts.
dpacrkk
06-08-2017, 11:56 AM
And I think you're hearing me say he's a role model that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he is a male with high level of influence and millions of viewers some of which are young impressionable people. So to me that counts as a leader. Probably not in the traditional sense but in the 2017 meaning
Quick Google for the ratings of that episode show 1.823 million (not millions) viewers. He was at least beaten by Ticket Carlson tonight (2.588 ), Hannity (2.359) The Five (2.329), and Rachel Maddow Show (2.193).
And if this is one of those "think of the children" moments as implied by "young impressionable people" (which runs counter to "he's a role model...that's not what I'm saying") then it's on premium cable where nothing is bleeped, and appropriate warnings are shown before shows are broadcast. Either way, you further state he's not a role model, which should quell your concerns that people will imitate him.
Just admit that your issue is he used the n word uncensored, and stop watching him (which you say you have). It doesn't seem you really care what context or meaning was attached, but rather simply that the word was used, and if that's your reason, so be it. Also, stop watching HBO altogether, they had Straight Outta Compton for streaming not too long ago, and that movie has far more instances of "n" and at least one of "house n" that I recall.
miss.a.p1600
06-08-2017, 01:09 PM
There's a difference between influencer (can lead people either positively or negatively) and role model (usually is positive). I'm not referring to children because I don't think underage kids should watch that I'm referring to colleged aged young adults. They may be "adults" at 18 but they can't even rent cars or buy liquor so they're kind of adult kids and the people we have to interact with in society. Not even kids or young adults but anyone can be influenced.
It's not as simple as turning off a tv as it is being bombarded with unnecessary messages by unlikely people. Like getting an unsolicited dick pick from a guy you're dating.
I've never watched straight out of Compton nor do I watch HBO so wtf?!? I watched Bills stuff on YouTube because it's usually trending and I was curious. And if you add up all he networks, the blogs, and social media then that would equate to multiple millions.
And I'm not sure what it is you want me to admit.
dpacrkk
06-08-2017, 01:24 PM
There's a difference between influencer and role model. I'm not referring to children because I don't think underage kids should watch that I'm referring to colleged aged young adults. They may be "adults" at 18 but they can't even rent cars or buy liquor so they're kind of adult kids and the people we have to interact with in society.
It's not as simple as turning off a tv as it is being bombarded with unnecessary messages by unlikely people.
Then what is that difference? And how likely are these scenarios of "influence" (and imitation) statistically over large diverse samples? That's an important question to ask if someone wants to assert that the quote will be misunderstood and repeated. So far the only misunderstandings are from those who hear/read the word without actually listening to two extra sentences to see that this was repartee and banter with his guest. The prediction that others will see this as a reason to say it is based in fears and "what if" scenarios, or worse, confirmation bias based on anecdotal evidence of.
I've never watched straight out of Compton so wtf?!?
Forget the citation of any specific movie or TV show. The point is HBO programming is not going to bleep the word on any of its programming, so you may as well not watch it regardless of what or who is on. They are not going to bend to the whims of the people that just hear the word and go crazy. And that's a good thing.
And no you will not push me to say something that you want to hear me say.
I don't know what this is referencing, but any quotes attributed to you are from this thread.
miss.a.p1600
06-08-2017, 01:36 PM
I can't answer that first question with out doing further research and collecting hard data. And I do get there is an element of confirmation bias that should be eliminated or minimized to get to the raw factual objective "truth"
Again I said I watched him on YouTube but you're too busy quoting me. When you say you can expect this content on HBO I get that - I don't watch HBO. But this content is not what I'd would have expected from watching Bill but now I know.....
dpacrkk
06-08-2017, 01:43 PM
So then explain his apology?
He wanted to keep his job. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the network likely said apologize or lose your show. This isn't a new nor unique ultimatum.
Again I said I watched him on YouTube but you're too busy quoting me
That still goes to his viewership, from which HBO will review when deciding to extend contracts or their length or pay for them. I came to this realization while quoting you. I can also walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.
miss.a.p1600
06-08-2017, 01:59 PM
Okay so fake apology then???
Then this is relevant to my point in post #44
".......But what is harder to see is the People who outwardly display themselves one way but secretly pissed they can't use the word openly and freely like old times, deep down get thrills out of this shit, then want to minimize their actions once the criticism or risk of losing money becomes a reality. And then they issue fake apology."
"......And he could have said house slave instead of house n***** but he didn't because he wanted to be provocative for ratings/money."
Djoser
06-08-2017, 02:34 PM
Oh man i have to go into work for night 5 of 18 straight, after working 11 straight and 3 off. I simply don't have time ATM to go through all this thread yet--but i know already most of it is political and thus technically against the rules.
I will say this--all this talk of Maher being racist is a lot of bullshit, since he apparently prefers black women in his personal life, and not in a 'fetish' sense.
I play songs with the N word all night, every night--so I hear it probably 3-600 times nightly on the loudspeakers, because I tend not to use the 'clean' versions of these songs. It's goddamned near impossible to find even a fucking love song by rappers without it being used half a dozen times. And it's getting really fucking old. How the hell they can bombard the mindless consumers with this kind of tidal wave of 'N****s', then bitch about a harmless little joke by a known civil rights proponent like Maher, is beyond me.
Anyway, if I am not too fried after work tonight, I will be back here to clean up whatever mess there probably is.
MissAP you are the bomb, I am sorry to temporarily close the thread.