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miss.a.p1600
06-18-2017, 10:09 AM
I'm afraid I still do not understand your analogy. Someone ending their life is them making a decision for themselves, someone being denied medical treatment for an illness would not be them making a decision for themselves.
That's the thing though. He wasn't making the decision 100% himself. And when he had the slightest doubt - She was there in his ear coaxing him to "finish the job"
She basically was making him seem like a pussy for not going through with it.
If he really wanted to off himself that bad he could have done it alone/on his own/without coaching like most suicide victims do. But she played the role of suicide coach and influenced his decision.
To me he seemed on the fence/undecided.
If you commit suicide it should be with no outside help, no phone calls, no social Media, no covert manipulation/influence from supposed loved ones, nothing .....unless that help is to make your death less painful/suffering and unless you live in a state where assisted suicide is legal.
Depressed people are not in the same mindset as "normal" people. They are more vulnerable and more easily influenced than "normal" people. That's why you don't make important decisions, sign contracts, etc. in that mental state.
Genoveve
06-18-2017, 10:12 AM
^^I wasn't talking about her or Conrad.
eagle2
06-18-2017, 02:07 PM
^^And like someone dying from cancer, someone with mental illness could either decide to keep trying to fight the illness or to give up.
I'm not sure if you understand, but mental illness affects a person's ability to make a clear decision.
miss.a.p1600
06-18-2017, 02:46 PM
This might be off topic but
I would also think if a person had cancer (especially terminal cancer) they might be depressed as well and their decision making would be very different had they been cancer free or treatable cancer.
I read somewhere this dudes doctor told him he had terminal cancer. So the dude went into depression, got rid of all his possessions, and prepared to die. Turns out the doctor mixed up his paperwork and he really was fine. Guess who end up getting sued.
Genoveve
06-18-2017, 04:51 PM
I'm not sure if you understand, but mental illness affects a person's ability to make a clear decision.
Obviously I am aware.
eagle2
06-18-2017, 06:18 PM
So if a teenager tells his parents or teacher that he wants to kill himself, nothing should be done to stop him, because he should be allowed to make that decision for himself?
Genoveve
06-18-2017, 06:41 PM
^Where did I say that I am anti-suicide prevention?
eagle2
06-18-2017, 06:53 PM
In a previous post you said:
I personally hold no stigma in regards to suicide and I feel like if someone is suffering badly enough, whether it be physically or psychologically, to where death actually seems preferable, then why deny them that?
Genoveve
06-18-2017, 07:22 PM
Just because I don't judge people who commit suicide--and because I can personally think of plenty of situations that I would consider death preferable to--doesn't mean that I think everyone should just start offing themselves or that anyone who knows someone that is in trouble should completely ignore it, obviously.
eagle2
06-18-2017, 07:40 PM
Then maybe we're not that far apart. If someone is terminally ill and is in constant pain that can't be alleviated, I don't think it's unreasonable to allow that person to end his life. If someone who is physically healthy wants to commit suicide, then I think everything possible should be done to prevent it.
Vyanka
06-19-2017, 06:24 PM
The comments section defending this girl... I wonder if those ppl would feel the same if that boy was their loved one.
baer45
06-19-2017, 06:32 PM
Then maybe we're not that far apart. If someone is terminally ill and is in constant pain that can't be alleviated, I don't think it's unreasonable to allow that person to end his life. If someone who is physically healthy wants to commit suicide, then I think everything possible should be done to prevent it.
Why does anyone need other's permisson to end his/her life if he chooses to?
baer45
06-19-2017, 06:38 PM
The comments section defending this girl... I wonder if those ppl would feel the same if that boy was their loved one.
I am okay if she chose to do nothing...not moral, but it's still "okay" (It's okay if you see a drunk person walk to a car and not stop him. But it's not okay you help him to open the door and start the engine for him, tell him" jesus is waiting for you". ) But she didn't just do nothing, she manipulated his illness to see his death and that's a crime.
whirlerz
08-03-2017, 01:03 PM
She got 2.5 years
ChocoChanel
08-03-2017, 02:17 PM
damn 2 years. That's sad. What she really needs is mental therapy and behavioral therapy. I wonder if this happened in California, if it would be different because we have more anti bullying laws. I mean if we have revenge porn laws there's gotta be something that covers this.
whirlerz
08-03-2017, 02:23 PM
Not in Cali, east coast, forgot the state
ChocoChanel
08-03-2017, 02:40 PM
and why her eyebrows lookin like that!?
Also., here is a link to the texts http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/text-message-suicide-michelle-carter-conrad-roy/index.html
This shit is really weird and creepy in a Shakespeare fucked up kind of way.
Just from a legal standpoint... its a mess. I
'm not saying this girl isn't off her rocker and manipulative and needs help, but... In the example of a drug addict for example, If you give your drug addict cousin money and they use it for drugs and overdose.. or even a step further, you drive them to buy the drugs (like many parents on Intervention) Are you responsible if the person overdoses later? (not while you watch them).
If you abandon said addict in an attempt not to be an enabler, and they beg for you to help them and you don't (because they have a long history of being deceptive) .. are you responsible?
Obviously this boy was the complete opposite of a drug addict. He was vulnerable , depressed, socially anxious and suicidal. She egged him on in this weird way. Like... either do it or check yourself into a facility but stop talking about it. It's harsh yes.
I think it's interesting from a legal point. I'm not arguing the ethics of this at all. Just wondering how far can the law really go when it comes to words and stuff. Has anyone seen that law and order with Robin Williams and he makes all these calls pretending to be an authority figure and tells people to do all this fucked up shit! and they do it! and then he represents himself in court and I think he got off... crazy
ChocoChanel
08-03-2017, 02:44 PM
Not in Cali, east coast, forgot the state
oh ya I know it happened on the East Coast. Massachusetts maybe? But I was wondering IF it happened in a state like Cali, if it would have been different.
whirlerz
08-03-2017, 06:20 PM
Yes I believe it was Mass..& yes outcome is dependent on State law..also, w/texting the main communication that makes it unusual too
miss.a.p1600
08-03-2017, 06:50 PM
She got 2.5 years
Some bullshit!
They are coddling this lil bish.
The heaux took vacations n shit jet setting around the country after she influenced dude to off himself. No remorse, no guilt, and didn't even try to lay low.
Watch this broad get out, some dumb fool marry her, then she slow poisons her spouse. I highly doubt this will be the last time she will be linked to someone's death.
miss.a.p1600
08-03-2017, 09:49 PM
Oh I just found out she was sentenced to 2.5 years but actually only has to serve 15 months.......and some probation.......
People out here serving decades for victimless crimes but she gets months for coercing her bf to end his life?!?......what a joke
How much y'all want to bet she's in some cushy prison sheltered from general population whilst getting 3 hots and a cot on taxpayer dime.
Gross.
ChocoChanel
08-03-2017, 11:33 PM
I think she truly believes she helped him. Like some Jim Jones creepy shit.
miss.a.p1600
08-04-2017, 06:43 AM
Sociopaths would believe they are "helping" someone else
rickdugan
08-04-2017, 06:53 AM
Oh I just found out she was sentenced to 2.5 years but actually only has to serve 15 months.......and some probation.......
People out here serving decades for victimless crimes but she gets months for coercing her bf to end his life?!?......what a joke
How much y'all want to bet she's in some cushy prison sheltered from general population whilst getting 3 hots and a cot on taxpayer dime.
Gross.
Idk. I have mixed feelings on this which make me believe that her sentence was appropriate. I think "coerce" is a strong word to use here. Yes she egged him on and encouraged him, but ultimately the dipshit did it to himself. At the risk of sounding callous, sometimes natural selection really does work.
whirlerz
08-04-2017, 08:03 AM
So, her encouraging someone to take their life & succeeding is natural selection or adapting to environment better to survive?
I think she should've considered offing herself, or @ least some who deserved it, example being the guy who set fire to his pregnant wife in front of their 2 small kids..
But maybe you think that's natural selection too
slowpoke
08-04-2017, 08:18 AM
Sociopaths would believe they are "helping" someone else
They might claim that if they got in trouble, but it would be unlikely a sociopath would ever "help" anyone.
rickdugan
08-04-2017, 08:24 AM
^ No whirlerz, the natural selection part comes in with the guy being stupid enough to do it based upon the egging on of a 17 year old high school girl. A pregnant woman being set on fire by a grown man, by contrast, is an unnatural tragedy inflicted upon her by someone else. Last I read, the girl did not pull this guy out of bed, or put him in the car, or turn the car on, or prevent him from leaving the car, or re-direct the exhaust into the car., or...etc.,etc. He did it all to himself.
whirlerz
08-04-2017, 08:55 AM
So now you're making assumptions about someone's intelligence.
& What about the large amount of suicides among young (grade school age) kids who are bullied relentlessly & commit suicide?
rickdugan
08-04-2017, 09:12 AM
^ He wasn't a grade school kid. He was 18 years old on his way to college, albeit a really crappy one for business management. So no assumptions needed - the facts speak for themselves.
I am well aware that I am being uncharitable, but honestly I am almost as disgusted with him as I am with her.
whirlerz
08-04-2017, 09:25 AM
I didn't say HE was a grade school kid..
So also his choice of school made it ok that he chose (w encouragement) to kill himself?
Why are you disgusted whim?
rickdugan
08-04-2017, 09:59 AM
^ You tried to analogize him to a grade school kid, which is the same thing.
Maybe I'm frustrated over a system that has seemed, in recent years, to turn out more and more of these little cream puff young men. I don't know his home life and I suspect that whatever it was like contributed to all of this, but I cannot help but feel contempt for a healthy 18 year old man with college in front of him who just decides to kill himself because some silly girl told him to.
By contrast, today I just gave away a full size bed to a young man with a child who has next to nothing, especially since the kid's Mommy decided to take off and take a lot of their stuff with her. They are sleeping on an air mattress, but now the child will have a real bed to sleep in. He's out there busting his ass in a blue collar job to provide for this child while learning to get better at a craft (and hence increase his value). His boss values him so much that the boss even drove the young man over to my house in his work van to help pick the bed up.
Why can't there be more like the young man who I met earlier and less like the one in the suicide story? I guess I am just beyond disgusted with reading the ever increasing number of stories about young men and their emotional angst. The young man who came and took the bed had far more reasons to just give up, yet he manned up instead.
Anyway, enough of my rant and I'll pull the ripcord now. ;)
ChocoChanel
08-04-2017, 10:38 AM
^^ I wont argue with you over your opinion, because you are entitled to it, but why so much emphasis on the emotional state of men? Are you saying it's expected for women to have soft feelings and be angsty and emotional? Is your point that he should have just "manned up" "grew some balls" or whatever?
Also , I'm sorry, but most middle class Americans are not really adults when they turn 18. The law says they are. Emotionally I do not agree. If you had a hard life or had to take on a lot of responsibility at a young age (think Fiona Gallagher, Shameless) then you might actually be an adult at 18. I don't think this was his case.
Most kids who grow up in the typical American fashion are not Adults at 18. They have no idea what adulting is. Shit, I can barley handle adulting at almost 26! Go to a third world country or ChIraq, or detroit and see how a 16 year old there compares to an 18 year old from whitetown suberbs.
(not trying to be offensive , I am black and grew up in an upper middle class family, but my parents are African and I had this same wake up call. The truth is , a 10 year old from their country is way more mature than a 10 year old in a typical home here. They have to do a lot of things on their own, walk long distances and be way more responsible)
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that this kid had some pretty bad depression and other emotional problems. This girl was not helpful in anyway.
I do think though, given his state, he may have committed suicide on his own time .. eventually. Or maybe not because he was scared to do it. He had a last hope which was not wanting to have his family feel bad. He was holding on at least for that.
She said she would take care of his family, so at that point he had nothing left to fear. I don't think it was her instructions so much as it was her reassurance that this was the best thing for him to end his suffering. We can't even blame this on "Thirteen Reason's Why" cause it wasn't out yet.
whirlerz
08-04-2017, 11:59 AM
No, I didn't analogize him w/the kids, you're talking about natural selection & if that's the case, what about children that commit suicide over Bullying, which seem to be the case here.
So cause it's natural selection it's cool in your opinion that it happened? (w/the kids?)
Sometimes people make judgements so..
Also, I'm reading some stuff on Yahoo about that, which I mentioned before that she was on the phone w/ him as he was dying, & did nothing?
Then had the audacity to call family members, knowing he was already dead, & asking if they heard from him.
Calling someone she hardly knew & bragging about it.
Sorry but I don't think you know enough about this to make the judgment you make
slowpoke
08-04-2017, 01:45 PM
Try to let a kid walk to school today and you risk arrest for child abuse.
On the other hand we read today the snowflakes have difficulty comprehending you can attach an antenna to a television, and watch for free, instead of having to pay for cable or satellite.
whirlerz
08-04-2017, 01:57 PM
Snow flakes??
Selina M
08-04-2017, 02:07 PM
^^ "Snowflakes" is the trendy new term for either democrats or millenials, depending on who you're talking shit about. It's Tomi Lahren's favorite word ::)
Think along the lines of anyone who is pro gay rights, pro choice, hates Trump, etc. in the political arena, or else millenials who the old folks like to call entitled and lazy.
Also... maybe we don't bother with the free antenna TV because there's nothing on it we want to watch. It's just a bunch of re-runs and crap and we get our news from the internet. Also, do not know anyone with cable or satellite anymore. Everyone has Netflix or Hulu for $9/month.
BlondebombGA
08-04-2017, 02:56 PM
Fucking seriously? If you have never suffered from depression, you don't get to have a say about how this boy should have handled it. Depression is used so lightly in talk. Depression doesn't just mean..."oh blah, I feel bad today so I'm gonna be a bummer and complain to everyone and hopefully get some attention". Depression literally makes physical changes happen in a certain part of the brain. It changes the way you perceive the world and your value in it. Again, if you haven't had it you simply cannot understand the depths of despair. On top of sapping any strength to fight for yourself, your brain becomes this negative making machine...you're not good enough, what's the fucking point in even trying any more, nothing will ever be good again, you're a failure, you've ruined everything, you're invisible and no one truly cares. These are not YOUR thoughts, these are a depressed brain's thoughts. It is the most bizarre disease.
BlondebombGA
08-04-2017, 02:57 PM
I'm not 18, I'm 42, and I literally lost 1 1/2 years to depression recently. It destroyed me. I was non functional for some of it and was considering being hospitalized for suicidal thoughts because no meds were working. If I, a grown woman with lots of accomplishments and family and friends who loved and cared for me through it considered that route, then how is an 18 year old from an unstable/violent home, with depression, who's support group sucks gonna make it through? Jesus, if I had had my closest people saying to me..."enough already, if you're so miserable then just fucking do it already.", and whispering in my ear to push forward with those dark thoughts, I would have probably done it too.
This poor kid needed psychiatric help and love not encouragement. He is at no fault, so enough of that bullshit.
stormi
08-04-2017, 02:57 PM
^ You tried to analogize him to a grade school kid, which is the same thing.
Maybe I'm frustrated over a system that has seemed, in recent years, to turn out more and more of these little cream puff young men. I don't know his home life and I suspect that whatever it was like contributed to all of this, but I cannot help but feel contempt for a healthy 18 year old man with college in front of him who just decides to kill himself because some silly girl told him to.
By contrast, today I just gave away a full size bed to a young man with a child who has next to nothing, especially since the kid's Mommy decided to take off and take a lot of their stuff with her. They are sleeping on an air mattress, but now the child will have a real bed to sleep in. He's out there busting his ass in a blue collar job to provide for this child while learning to get better at a craft (and hence increase his value). His boss values him so much that the boss even drove the young man over to my house in his work van to help pick the bed up.
Why can't there be more like the young man who I met earlier and less like the one in the suicide story? I guess I am just beyond disgusted with reading the ever increasing number of stories about young men and their emotional angst. The young man who came and took the bed had far more reasons to just give up, yet he manned up instead.
Anyway, enough of my rant and I'll pull the ripcord now. ;)
Yikes. You don't seem to know or understand what major depression is. No one in their right mind "decides" to kill themselves. His brain chemistry was off which led him to believe odd thoughts like, how worthless life is and how suicide could be a way out.
I always wondered why men's suicide rate is so high and maybe it's because they're called "little cream puffs" whenever they let on they need help.
And If anyone has thoughts of suicide please go here: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ or call 1-800-273-8255. Contrary to what it appears, there is tons of support and love out there and if you have thoughts of suicide it would benefit you greatly to reach out
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-04-2017, 03:25 PM
^^ "Snowflakes" is the trendy new term for either democrats or millenials, depending on who you're talking shit about. It's Tomi Lahren's favorite word ::)
Think along the lines of anyone who is pro gay rights, pro choice, hates Trump, etc. in the political arena, or else millenials who the old folks like to call entitled and lazy.
Also... maybe we don't bother with the free antenna TV because there's nothing on it we want to watch. It's just a bunch of re-runs and crap and we get our news from the internet. Also, do not know anyone with cable or satellite anymore. Everyone has Netflix or Hulu for $9/month.
All of our premium cable channels like HBO & STARZ are bundled with our Amazon Prime membership. Everything else streams online for free: Comedy Central, All the late night shows are on Youtube within an hour or two of filming, Every now and again I may sign up with SlingTv to get AMC or FX but it really just depends on which one of my shows are starting a new season. I may get it again when Mr Robot starts again. Basically the only real snowflakes are those who dont adapt with the changing times. They will melt like the foam ontop of a hipsters expresso.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-04-2017, 03:38 PM
Yikes. You don't seem to know or understand what major depression is. No one in their right mind "decides" to kill themselves. His brain chemistry was off which led him to believe odd thoughts like, how worthless life is and how suicide could be a way out.
I always wondered why men's suicide rate is so high and maybe it's because they're called "little cream puffs" whenever they let on they need help.
And If anyone has thoughts of suicide please go here: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ or call 1-800-273-8255. Contrary to what it appears, there is tons of support and love out there and if you have thoughts of suicide it would benefit you greatly to reach out
You just brought it home with this post. The "little cream puffs" these sort of assumptions are a learned behavior. They dont always come from a place of understanding or compassion. It can get alot worse depending on culture and demographics. Oh and sexuality. People sometimes form opinions based on the environment they were brought up in. I think this happens to everyone. Whats right, wrong and marginal depends on influence. This is why I say its learned. Actually I dont just say this but lots of case studies as well.
miss.a.p1600
08-04-2017, 08:05 PM
They might claim that if they got in trouble, but it would be unlikely a sociopath would ever "help" anyone.
That's why I put it in quotes. They'd never help anyone unless its something in it for them.
I bet this young woman "helped" her bf cross over to the other side as a means of gaining attention for herself. Notoriety for sociopaths and narcissists is just as exhilarating as (if not more than) positive attention.
sarah101
08-05-2017, 05:17 AM
One word to describe her behavior: sociopath!
Vyanka
08-05-2017, 06:35 AM
Some of the comments in here disgust me. Unreal.
whirlerz
08-05-2017, 07:03 AM
Some of the comments in here disgust me. Unreal.
IKR^?!
whirlerz
08-05-2017, 07:43 AM
Also, my aunt passed away years ago.. possibly suicide
I say possibly since it's not known if she deliberately took medicine or forgot..
I like see this one dude try pick himself up off the floor after mentioning the natural selection bit too my Dad.
Some people don't get & never will, unless it's about THEM.
Judging is easier than understanding
Nadia_
08-05-2017, 07:56 AM
Ok but let's be honest we are a forum full of makeup junkie strippers and nobody wants to comment on her soooo tragically over filled eyebrows
She must be crazy if she thinks that's how thick brows are supposed to look lmao ... wouldn't trust a goddamn thing that bitch said with eyebrows like that damn lol
Nadia_
08-05-2017, 08:03 AM
My heart goes out to the poor boy and his family and also her family...
Just wanted to make a silly comment on her brows lol...they really are bad smh ...you guys can go back to the serious debate very good points on both sides I have no opinion formed I'm learning and reading to maybe land on my own opinion but until then I only have opinions on eyebrows lol
whirlerz
08-05-2017, 11:58 AM
I was wondering why her face looks so weird thought it was cause she's purely evil
miss.a.p1600
08-06-2017, 10:30 AM
There's a 20/20 special on this.
1. She admits she could have stopped him, he got scared but she told him to get back in the truck and finish the job
2. She researched ways he could kill himself (carbon monoxide, hanging, etc)
3. She asked him over 40 times "when are you going to do it?"
4. She texted her friends after he died (not 911) saying she thought her friend just committed suicide
5. She texted her friends that if they found her text to Conrad she'd go to jail and his family would hate her