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baer45
06-25-2017, 07:23 AM
North Korea just claimed to be the biggest victim in ottos death.

miss.a.p1600
06-25-2017, 08:02 AM
I noticed that.

The N. Koreans are shall I say very delusional. Otto didn't look/seem (based on pics and videos I saw) like he could bust a grape I highly doubt he was some covert spy or militant or whatever they thought he was.

N Korean officials are the sociopathic sadist tortures but their people claim to be some victims?!?.......mmmkay. They have been known to violate human rights with their extreme measures to keep everyone in submission and a large portion of the population is "enslaved".

The only thing N. Korea is a victim of is Kim Jong Un but the people there are too brainwashed to see that.

whirlerz
06-25-2017, 08:33 AM
Well, they are kept that way, they have virtually 0 contact w/the outside world that isn't heavily monitored.
They are told when to get up, when to sleep, a lot of them are interred in the labor 'camps'

miss.a.p1600
06-25-2017, 08:59 AM
That's the one thing that amazes me about N. Korea is the great lengths the leaders go to in order to keep their people in check. Kim Jong un has got to be one of the most powerful men in the world.

baer45
06-26-2017, 09:36 AM
Korean newspaper gave the new story about Otto. The insider of Pyongyang said before Otto about to leave NK, he used a newspaper to wrap his shoes while packing. Kim jong un's picture was on that newspaper. That was considered a serious crime in NK

miss.a.p1600
06-26-2017, 11:31 AM
Wow. Well I could see how taking down the poster or wrapping dirty shoes in a paper featuring their leader would piss them off.

But See I wonder if they are lying though. The only proof we have of their claims is a grainy video that could be anybody.....and their word which I would never trust a N. Koreans word because look how brainwashed they are - so afraid to go against the "supreme leader" that they would do anything including lie/coverup/manipulate the truth to prevent risking them or their families ending up being punished.

Hell if it meant sparing my families life I might lie for Kim jong un too. Even though I can't stand him or dictator type leaders.

I totally don't agree with americans going to other countries acting like obnoxious jerks and disrespecting the norms/cultures (especially when they've been warned beforehand). I ranted against Ryan Lochte pissing on property during olympics in brazil and thought he should be punished.

Idk. I just was hoping to see more hard evidence before I could say that Otto should have been punished. There are many innocent people falsely accused and framed for crimes they didn't commit. And the witnesses who know the truth are so scared to speak out against wrongdoing it just seems like even if you are innocent you would never get the same type of due process or fair treatment in their court system.

Even if he did steal the poster and crumple it up is that an offense worthy of death? I guess in N. Korea it is. According to the propaganda posters on 5th floor of the tourist hotel there - they seem to REALLY hate Americans. Also If you get 15 years in prison. In theory you should be out and well after time served. Still doesn't explain how he Died in their prison. N. Koreans haven't given any medical records and denied him treatment while he was in there. His health condition was unaccounted for for several months. This dude came back in a coma - but yet they are the victims?!? A humans life is worth more than a piece of paper.

If I were otto I would have rebelled against them at my public "hearing" .... like "fuck your forced confession script - if y'all going to kill me then do that shit right now in broad daylight, in public, with the cameras rolling ........ not cowardly behind a secret prison wall".

The whole thing is just weird af....considering Ottos case is one of the worst out of all the Americans imprisoned there.

whirlerz
06-26-2017, 12:37 PM
But, you're not him..one of the things NK is said to do, is keep intergating some one for up to 12 hours, coupled with/the fact he was likely sleep deprived (another long used form of torture)
They're not big on feeding people, there's long been a famine there
This Kim ahole has been shooting off missiles despite various sanctions for how long now, he for damn sure isn't going to provide any proof of anything.

whirlerz
06-26-2017, 05:33 PM
Also, there's CNN article on how to stop NK's B's, well ideas anyway

whirlerz
06-26-2017, 09:43 PM
A professor made some comments about him being "rich, young & clueless", also said he deserved what happened.
The fuck's wrong w/ppl?>:(

baer45
06-26-2017, 09:55 PM
A professor made some comments about him being "rich, young & clueless", also said he deserved what happened.
The fuck's wrong w/ppl?>:(

It was "rich, young & clueless, white male".

"Maybe in the US, where young, white, rich, clueless white males routinely get away with raping women. Not so much in North Korea. And of course, it's Otto's parents who will pay the price for the rest of their lives."

whirlerz
06-26-2017, 10:00 PM
Yes, this jerk blame his parents too!

baer45
06-26-2017, 10:16 PM
Yes, this jerk blame his parents too!

She's fired already.

miss.a.p1600
06-27-2017, 07:04 AM
Yeah I posted about that professor further upstream.

kortneykay
06-27-2017, 02:37 PM
This is an unpopular opinion- not saying he deserved to die, but it is what it is. This needs to be a lesson. I'd say the same for any family, friend, coworker, or relative that did the same. Common sense should be always used when traveling. Americans (and other, unwanted/privileged nations) need to stay the hell out of North Korea(where they are NOT wanted), and stop putting their fingers where they don't belong. Even if it wasn't him, he was THERE.

I don't agree with the Professor comparing it to rape, but I stand by what I say. Stay the hell out of places you're not wanted, and don't fuck with people's shit when it's against the law. He would've still been alive if he wasn't over there in the first place.

Unsure why anyone is shocked when someone gets mauled for poking a sleeping bear with a massive sign that says "DO NOT DISTURB THE BEARS!" That's like being surprised someone overdoses on hard drugs. Don't fuck with them! He put this on himself as harsh as the consequences were. He knew better and he paid the price.

whirlerz
06-27-2017, 04:20 PM
It's not at all like doing drugs or poking bears
They accept people's money that go there..
You're right about not touching their stuff or being disrespectful, IF that was done.
It's also wrong to mistreat some one who's imprisioned IF THAT was done.
Thank you.

kortneykay
06-28-2017, 09:01 AM
It's not at all like doing drugs or poking bears
They accept people's money that go there..
You're right about not touching their stuff or being disrespectful, IF that was done.
It's also wrong to mistreat some one who's imprisioned IF THAT was done.
Thank you.

And drug dealers except people's money as well and so do parks, zoos, and wildlife reserves that you PAY to get into if we're going to go there. You certainly don't get your money back, or your life should you overdose on them and if you climb into the bear cage WHOOPS. Warning signs are warning signs. If you don't adhere to them, don't be surprised if you get caught up. That's the comparison to bears and drugs.

Bottom line, he shouldn't have been there. What is a 20 yr old doing in NK? Why not SK where he can actually relax? Why go to a place you're not wanted just because you 'can' which is where Privilege comes into play. Even if he didn't touch anything, he should have NOT been there point, blank, period. Would you like to go over there and see what happens? I don't think so.

He knew what he was doing, and he thought he could get away with it, and didn't. He poked the sleeping bear, and got mauled. It is what it is. And thank you as well.

miss.a.p1600
06-28-2017, 09:44 AM
I think what makes the case rare is as far as I know most Americans imprisoned there have made it out alive though. Even one group of Americans snuck into the mysterious 5th floor (same floor where Otto allegedly tampered with the propaganda poster), filmed it, and got caught doing so - but they managed to make it out alive and well.

I know people have different opinions but I think he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time I don't think he should pay the price with his life.

Plus as far as I know we don't torture their people when they come here. If N. Korean tourists break laws here they get punished but at least get treated like humans.

And then to add insult to an already harsh punishment (for an alleged "crime") the North Koreans didn't inform anyone of his health condition then sent this family's child back as a shell. That's sadistic on every level. That's exactly what n Korean leaders and dictators are....savage animals.

I don't think any human deserves to die over a piece of paper.

baer45
06-28-2017, 03:52 PM
Two congressmen, Republican Joe Wilson and Democrat Adam Schiff, have introduced legislation to ban tourist travel to North Korea
It's getting a work up in the House Foreign Affairs Committee
If the bill becomes law, Americans would have to apply for and receive a license from the Treasury Department to visit the communist country

miss.a.p1600
06-28-2017, 06:59 PM
That may be a good thing. Apparently they really hate Americans and no one has time to battle them over a handful of naive or rogue Americans who end up getting imprisoned there.

whirlerz
06-30-2017, 08:35 AM
I can see it's putting urself in danger just going there, as it's warned by State Dept not to..
I had also heard Otto made a rude remark to one of the military guys before attempt to get on the plane.
I know Pioneer Tours, the one travel company that Otto's group used, is no longer accept American

Previously detained people had a bit of an easier time, the former ruler, now deceased, usually let them go after not too long..
Right now, I believe there's 3 American s detained there (Korean born I think). 2 were teaching @ their uni

miss.a.p1600
06-30-2017, 08:47 AM
Yeah I'm sure he was aware of the travel warning and went anyway because other Americans have gone and even if they did get imprisoned they came out alive (so this plus going with a group - in his naive mind he probably assumed nothing seriously bad would happen) . Only one American as far as I know, came out of N Korean imprisonment back to American safety but he was "defective" so to speak and struggled with addictions (not sure if it was caused by being in prison there or something else) but he end up committing suicide.

But you have a good point about Kim Jong un as the new leader. The media describes him as more impulsive and brutal than his predecessors - which makes sense given he offed his own family members.

whirlerz
06-30-2017, 08:54 AM
Just a note, I believe State Dept does stress that you can still be detained, whether you're with a group or not, despite what travel co is used