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SnuffleUffleGrass
10-03-2017, 06:42 PM
I'm thinking he was blackmailed into what he did or he just snapped & wanted to go out with a bang....Jesus wept!!!!!! I bet he got mixed up with something bad & was either going through mid life crisis or just wanted to do something gross & ensure he wouldn't suffer for doing it. The typical suicide by cop type fits that set of issues.

Elektra Luxx
10-04-2017, 04:10 PM
I went over all his weapons. He got pretty much most fatal weapon (that you can put in a suit case) that a civilian can get in USA. Our media tried very hard to push the talk point (illegal conversion of semi auto to full auto--bumpfire stock).
Bumpfire stock, it's legal, or not banned yet. I have used it many times. It's a toy, it gives you the thrill of shooting a full auto rifle. but trust me, you can't hit anything with that in 100 yards. It's useless. The distance that he was shooting... impossible! I am guessing he used that when people were standing together,...Media also mentioned that he has installed the two cameras. one outside of his hotel room, so he could be able to see when SWAT team approached. He calculated every steps, evil evil person he was.

I keep asking "Why would someone do something like this?" I just don't understand. Like you say he was an evil, evil person.

slowpoke
10-04-2017, 04:40 PM
I went over all his weapons. He got pretty much most fatal weapon (that you can put in a suit case) that a civilian can get in USA. Our media tried very hard to push the talk point (illegal conversion of semi auto to full auto--bumpfire stock).
Bumpfire stock, it's legal, or not banned yet. I have used it many times. It's a toy, it gives you the thrill of shooting a full auto rifle. but trust me, you can't hit anything with that in 100 yards. It's useless. The distance that he was shooting... impossible! I am guessing he used that when people were standing together,...Media also mentioned that he has installed the two cameras. one outside of his hotel room, so he could be able to see when SWAT team approached. He calculated every steps, evil evil person he was.

Truth is a concept totally alien to the Antis.

Optimist
10-04-2017, 04:56 PM
So he was shooting from the hotel window?

What a coward!


Ok so Im reading Fox news and it says this trick passed an FBI background check???? WTF kind of fru-fru basic ass background check is that? The mere fact that his damn father was on FBI most wanted list should have eliminated him right there because im sorry but the apple don't fall far from the tree.

FBI needs to tighten up because they the same ones that investigated that crazy ass Orlando shooter twice, let him go, then dude goes on to shoot up the airport.

All I'm gonna say is that they probably have a stricter check for us to get a Sherriff's Card than they do on these gun checks. You can keep a No Fly list but not a No Buy list for guns....smh.

423texas
10-04-2017, 05:16 PM
I find it hard to believe that his GF knew nothing of his plans as she has been saying,

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html

She almost certainly didn't participate in the evil slaughter, and she may have not known anything of his direct plans.

But, I think she had to see signs. There may be no culpability, but it's just hard to believe Danley lived in a vacuum.

For instance, she may have noticed that he was buying large amount of weapons and ammo, but she didn't want to bring it up to him.

By the time he sent her off to Asia and then wired her money to buy a house for her and her family, she obviously knew something was up, but it was too late.

ScarletKitten
10-04-2017, 05:21 PM
He had been stockpiling guns since the 80's. He might have been planning to do this for many years. The dude was either a psychopath, or he had a psychotic break and just completely lost it. Just because he was rich doesn't mean anything. Rich people can just as easily lose their shit as anyone else.

Or he might have just been suicidal and wanted to take people down with him. Obviously had anger problems too. You don't do that unless you have suppressed emotions that manifest as explosive anger. This is why mass shootings are always carried out by men- suppressed emotions and never expressing it or talking it out to anyone until they have a psychotic break. It's scary shit.

baer45
10-04-2017, 05:33 PM
I keep asking "Why would someone do something like this?" I just don't understand. Like you say he was an evil, evil person.

Ususally, i mean usually you can guess someone's motivation. But this time...he was shooting large group of innorcent strangers. It's hard to tell, what religion, race, sex,nationality of those victims are. Yes, the country music lovers are more likely to be Trump voters. I don't see any possibility a gambler with guns will be a crazy liberal. Not that any liberals will commit such a crime either. He's also rich and is not connected with isis. So his motivation is completely unknown... at least to me.
He wired $100k oversea to his gf's country and sent his gf back home, claimed the flight ticket was cheap... he bought all the fatal weapons. Booked two hotel rooms next to each other for serval days. put two tripods on two different angles... put two different cameras to monitor the environment. It's almost too good to be an one-man job. Honestly, some gun nuts that I know, no one can pull this off.

baer45
10-04-2017, 05:42 PM
Truth is a concept totally alien to the Antis.

You are probably right. If they want to talk about guns, at least learn some basics. The key of shooting is aiming and recoil control. Bumpfire stock, is using recoil forece to pull the trigger for you. That means you don't have any control of the recoil, which makes it impossible to aim for the following shots. Not to mention he's shooting from the 32nd- floor to the ground, the point of the aim was very different... I don't believe he used bumpfire stock for the killing considering he calculated all the other steps. and the bumpfire on a tripold??? that's just stupid, stupid.

I don't like the idea of a ban per se... by all means... ban the bumpfire stock, I have no use of it. It's that useless

Elektra Luxx
10-04-2017, 06:11 PM
I don't know anything about shooting, but my think is you really don't aim at a group of 22,000 people, just shoot in their direction and you will hit someone.

I don't know what the answer is, ban whatever you want, it won't make a difference. If someone wants something bad enough they will get it. Destroy every gun in the world and just wait for the person that goes crazy with a crossbow.

baer45
10-04-2017, 06:17 PM
Like my post above, I hope they can find out why he did this.

slowpoke
10-04-2017, 06:25 PM
I saw a picture of one of the "tripods" they have been talking about. I was trying to imagine how an AR type could be mounted on a tripod. The rifle in the picture had a scope, and was on a bipod. These people are liars, or so stupid they can not count to three.

I can not imagine trying to aim a rifle when the barreled action is supposedly reciprocating at 600 rounds per minute inside the stock.

Here it is.

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAsRQuu.img?h=1080&w=1920&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

baer45
10-04-2017, 06:28 PM
I saw a picture of one of the tripods they have been talking about. I was trying to imagine how an AR type could be mounted on a tripod. The rifle in the picture had a scope, and was on a bipod. These people are liars, or so stupid they can not count to three.

It took them three days to count how many guns he actually had in that room...so...

slowpoke
10-04-2017, 06:30 PM
It must be tough when you cant count past two.

eagle2
10-04-2017, 07:07 PM
I went over all his weapons. He got pretty much most fatal weapon (that you can put in a suit case) that a civilian can get in USA. Our media tried very hard to push the talk point (illegal conversion of semi auto to full auto--bumpfire stock).
Bumpfire stock, it's legal, or not banned yet. I have used it many times. It's a toy, it gives you the thrill of shooting a full auto rifle. but trust me, you can't hit anything with that in 100 yards. It's useless. The distance that he was shooting... impossible! I am guessing he used that when people were standing together,...Media also mentioned that he has installed the two cameras. one outside of his hotel room, so he could be able to see when SWAT team approached. He calculated every steps, evil evil person he was.

He was firing into a crowd of approximately 20,000 people, so he didn't need to be very accurate.

miss.a.p1600
10-04-2017, 07:39 PM
I find it hard to believe that his GF knew nothing of his plans as she has been saying,

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html

She almost certainly didn't participate in the evil slaughter, and she may have not known anything of his direct plans.

But, I think she had to see signs. There may be no culpability, but it's just hard to believe Danley lived in a vacuum.

For instance, she may have noticed that he was buying large amount of weapons and ammo, but she didn't want to bring it up to him.

By the time he sent her off to Asia and then wired her money to buy a house for her and her family, she obviously knew something was up, but it was too late.

I thought she might know something too. But then again maybe she doesnt - according to the Starbucks they frequented, he would argue with her in public and it seemed to me like he had her in check. Like if he told her to do something she didn't question it. Because I sure was like how the hell he send her off on a flight and she doesnt ask any questions? But maybe he was very dominating in their relationship.

Also most men that halfway care about their girlfriends or wives keep them in the dark/don't tell them a damn thing about their criminal activity because in case shit hits the fan, their girlfriends/wives won't be held responsible or considered accessory to their crimes.

If you think about it, this 'man' offs himself, the victims looking for someone to hold accountable and the next person is the girlfriend. But if shes out of the picture when this happens its like she has nothing to do with this incident.

If his girlfriend really doesn't know anything then she is safe from people going after her for a crime he committed.

baer45
10-04-2017, 07:50 PM
Did Las Vegas gunman have help? Sheriff believes amount of planning, firearms and explosives point to an accomplice as police reveal shooter 'had an escape plan' but they still can't establish a motive

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4950426/Las-Vegas-shooter-ESCAPE-planned-police-reveal.html

baer45
10-04-2017, 07:51 PM
Did Las Vegas gunman have help? Sheriff believes amount of planning, firearms and explosives point to an accomplice as police reveal shooter 'had an escape plan' but they still can't establish a motive

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4950426/Las-Vegas-shooter-ESCAPE-planned-police-reveal.html

Vyanka
10-05-2017, 07:30 AM
This man risked his own life, saving 30 ppl that day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/he-helped-people-escape-from-the-storm-of-gunfire-in-las-vegas-now-he-has-a-bullet-in-his-neck/

The problem with this country is that ppl with mental health problems can buy guns.

miss.a.p1600
10-05-2017, 08:50 AM
^^^I totally agree.

Deranged Psychos and people not in their right state of mind - don't need rights/easy access to guns. If they want to protect themselves they can use some mace and martial arts or something else. Also add reckless people who leave loaded guns out for their kids to inadvertently murk themselves (apparently only 18 states have laws for this problem).

I think the problem though is defining mental health problems. For example, Anti-depressants and anti-anxiety are highly prescribed medications. Many people have experienced one or the other or both at some point. Definitely suicidal/homicidal people should not have access.

And another problem is also the category of people who just "snap" - they have no known history of severe mental issues or criminal records. Like this dude. Although he had allegedly been prescribed/taking xanax.

LoveyDovey
10-05-2017, 09:52 AM
The problem with this country is that ppl with mental health problems can buy guns.

Exactly.

slowpoke
10-05-2017, 10:01 AM
The problem with this country is people with mental health problems can walk around loose.

laurielegs
10-05-2017, 11:21 AM
The problem with this country is people with mental health problems can walk around loose.

Yes. Our mental health system is a mess and that needs to be a focus here too.

eagle2
10-05-2017, 11:24 AM
As far as I know, the shooter had never been diagnosed with mental illness before this happened.

slowpoke
10-05-2017, 11:59 AM
As far as I know, the shooter had never been diagnosed with mental illness before this happened.

And no criminal record.

baer45
10-05-2017, 12:30 PM
Yes. Our mental health system is a mess and that needs to be a focus here too.


Old generations like to mention in 1970s, the government decided to close all psychiatric institutions. So on that day, they sent all the patients out of the door. on your way, go go go. Poor sick people, ended up homeless and died. That's the ugly truth about our society.:-[

baer45
10-05-2017, 12:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=77&v=YZ6EaATQ3tI

I only watched the analysis of the gunshot sound. Skip his political rants.

eagle2
10-05-2017, 02:09 PM
Here's what Snopes had to say about the theory of there being a second gunman:

http://www.snopes.com/second-gunman-shoot-fourth-floor-mandalay-bay/

Elektra Luxx
10-05-2017, 02:21 PM
Okay, here's the $46,000 question, why cover it up? Why the conspiracy? It doesn't make sense to me.

slowpoke
10-05-2017, 03:04 PM
When Timothy McVeigh Blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City, why were there no people in the FBI office in that building?

Why was he executed only four years after he was convicted, when most killers spend fifteen years on death row before they are executed?

miss.a.p1600
10-05-2017, 03:17 PM
As far as I know, the shooter had never been diagnosed with mental illness before this happened.

Plenty of mentally ill people undiagnosed. Or diagnosed late in adulthood or after some major incident.

I doubt there was a second person. I believe dude acted alone - he was just clever af. None of those people want to face harsh reality that they were duped by this con-artist. People looking for someone to blame/hold accountable. This is the unfortunate thing that happens with the killer off himself.

ScarletKitten
10-05-2017, 03:26 PM
The problem with this country is people with mental health problems can walk around loose.

Are you saying that everyone with depression and anxiety should be locked up? That's probably like half the population, maybe even more. Not everyone with mental health issues are going to start shooting at people.

SnuffleUffleGrass
10-05-2017, 03:30 PM
Old generations like to mention in 1970s, the government decided to close all psychiatric institutions. So on that day, they sent all the patients out of the door. on your way, go go go. Poor sick people, ended up homeless and died. That's the ugly truth about our society.:-[

So much this ....my personal theory is he was a deeply closeted schizophrenic & he finally snapped.

miss.a.p1600
10-05-2017, 03:37 PM
Are you saying that everyone with depression and anxiety should be locked up? That's probably like half the population, maybe even more. Not everyone with mental health issues are going to start shooting at people.

Lock them up!!!

Im kidding.

But many homeless people are mentally ill, not taking medication, and wreaking havock.

Not to mention the undiagnosed mentally ill who are your road ragers, your stalker ex-boyfriend, your crazed maniac neighbors, your delusional mother in law, your extremely moody ass teenager, etc......

*baer describes a time when mentally ill people did not have rights like they do today. They could be forced into institutions against their will and the treatments were very inhumane - think lobotomies, locked/left in padded rooms, physically restrained while forcing antipsychotic medication. And this could happen to people falsely diagnosed as mentally ill. Very similar to prisoners/prisons.

*also your point is similar to what i mention before, like quantifying mental illness.....certainly extreme mental illness like suicidal/homicidal but what about the people who seem "normal" then suddenly snap?

slowpoke
10-05-2017, 03:59 PM
Are you saying that everyone with depression and anxiety should be locked up? That's probably like half the population, maybe even more. Not everyone with mental health issues are going to start shooting at people.

The ones crazy as loons should be.

baer45
10-05-2017, 04:12 PM
now the news says that he lived a double life. He's a multimillionaire but he will go to the local community senior center to have $3.50 lunch three times a week. He would sit down with homeless people and elderly but wouldn't engage any conversation.

They are also positive about the accomplice theory. if he had an escape plan, where is the get away vehicle?

add: If I recall, all the sociopath usually will leave some clue, like a manifesto. We got nothing on this one. Odd!

miss.a.p1600
10-06-2017, 05:20 PM
I thought she might know something too. But then again maybe she doesnt - according to the Starbucks they frequented, he would argue with her in public and it seemed to me like he had her in check. Like if he told her to do something she didn't question it. Because I sure was like how the hell he send her off on a flight and she doesnt ask any questions? But maybe he was very dominating in their relationship.

Also most men that halfway care about their girlfriends or wives keep them in the dark/don't tell them a damn thing about their criminal activity because in case shit hits the fan, their girlfriends/wives won't be held responsible or considered accessory to their crimes.

If you think about it, this 'man' offs himself, the victims looking for someone to hold accountable and the next person is the girlfriend. But if shes out of the picture when this happens its like she has nothing to do with this incident.

If his girlfriend really doesn't know anything then she is safe from people going after her for a crime he committed.

Or maybe this bish DOES know more than she's letting on?

She said she worried about his mental stability

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooters-girlfriend-i-worried-about-his-mental-stability/

baer45
10-06-2017, 07:40 PM
He did it ALONE: Vegas police 'confident' no one else was in the shooter's Mandalay Bay hotel room as desperate cops erect BILLBOARDS asking the public for help

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4957084/Las-Vegas-gunman-cellphone-charger-room.html


They change their story base on what? not evidence?

Glamourmilf
10-07-2017, 12:18 AM
If anyone wants to listen to some trippy ( and possibly real) theories, check out ( Dr) Michael Savage radio show/ podcast.
Very interesting stuff on there.

miss.a.p1600
10-08-2017, 09:58 AM
A dude took a bullet (and died) for his wife http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4959370/Mourners-pay-tearful-tribute-Vegas-victim-saved-wife.html thats true love right there

SnuffleUffleGrass
10-09-2017, 08:07 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-paddock-investigators-apos-

wish
10-25-2017, 09:38 PM
I read earlier today the brother of the gun man was arrested for child porn this week. It's still weird to me tho. They're saying he's from Beverly Hills but when the story was about the brother they said he was from Florida. Minor detail but still fishy.

baer45
10-26-2017, 06:03 AM
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos left the country for Mexico just days after the Las Vegas shooting - despite suffering a gunshot wound and being a key witness in the investigation

slowpoke
10-26-2017, 08:40 AM
This has gone past the point of an investigation and become epic featherbedding!

SnuffleUffleGrass
10-26-2017, 08:51 AM
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos left the country for Mexico just days after the Las Vegas shooting - despite suffering a gunshot wound and being a key witness in the investigation

He might have just freaked out. Can't blame him.

baer45
10-26-2017, 09:19 AM
He might have just freaked out. Can't blame him.

Wasn't he on Ellen show the other day? He was not freaking out before that.

SnuffleUffleGrass
10-26-2017, 04:29 PM
Wasn't he on Ellen show the other day? He was not freaking out before that.

I'm sure Ellen paid him well. Btw Ellen DeGeneres is more sharky at business than people realize. TBH I'm still really upset about the event & I only have marginal connection to the Vegas Strip. I can only imagine what people directly affected are going through