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Sam38g
11-13-2017, 05:12 PM
>:( Utah, Arkansas, South Dakota, Tennessee have passed laws or declared Porn a Public Health Crisis..

Florida is up next

I can't, nor most of the industry knows what it means or how it will affect us. After the Eros bust, I dont have a good feeling about it.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/00157/?Tab=BillText

slowpoke
11-13-2017, 07:44 PM
Calling something a public health crisis is a ruse to get money.

Public health is supposed to be about preventing the spread of easily transmitted disease.

miss.a.p1600
11-13-2017, 08:27 PM
This is the dumbest thing ever.

Restricting porns is not the way to go about an alleged "crisis". People will be pervs with or without porns. Horny people gone figure a way to access it anyways. Actually restricting it will make it more enticing.

And besides - Have we restricted liquor from all the alcoholics? Is there a restriction on heroin and meth and pharmaceutical drug dealers in white lab coats calling themselves "doctors"? Not to mention mass murdering in churches n schools n shit.....But there is no health crisis in none of that?

What we need is non-biased, informative sex education...thats it. It's not rocket science.

ZeroSugarMonster
11-20-2017, 02:22 PM
Well, there are incidences of actors getting HIV. That sounds pretty public-health crises-y to me. They're not using condoms and engaging in very high risk activity.

ZeroSugarMonster
11-20-2017, 02:24 PM
Plus, I don't see why there is no regulation against porn that promotes violence against women. This is the case in the UK, where even spanking isn't allowed.

ZeroSugarMonster
11-20-2017, 02:27 PM
Public health hysteria is why prostitution became illegal. Pressure from the American Medical Association. Porn is basically prostitution. Look at the very etymology of the word (pornai=common prostitute). So here we have history repeating itself BC nowadays, we have HIV.

Sam38g
11-20-2017, 05:27 PM
Well, there are incidences of actors getting HIV. That sounds pretty public-health crises-y to me. They're not using condoms and engaging in very high risk activity.

So are thousands upon thousands of other people... what can we do to get people to stop fucking?

Sam38g
11-20-2017, 05:30 PM
Public health hysteria is why prostitution became illegal. Pressure from the American Medical Association. Porn is basically prostitution. Look at the very etymology of the word (pornai=common prostitute). So here we have history repeating itself BC nowadays, we have HIV.

Dear Troll, your spreading of false propaganda is not needed. There are so many different that people with active sex lives involving others can use protection and not get STDs or HIV.

There are hundreds of thousands of people who get STDs & such that are NOT prostitutes or porn stars. How many hook up apps exist now? How many people are on them?

Gia2608
11-20-2017, 06:02 PM
I want to look up this Florida thing, which appears may possibly be a referendum. A lot of porn is shot in Tampa and S. Fla, esp. since LA County passed that law to require condom use in films (which, may have been overturned by now? Not really following the story)...

My county has one if the highest HIV rates in the United States; but this is due to people having sex without protection and going long periods without being tested. In the porn business actors are required to have tests done very frequently so I would be willing to bet that the rates and incidences of HIV infection are actually lower amongst pornographic actors than the general public.

What I do think is a public health danger is children and esp. young buys getting sex ed. from porn. Porn is about turning on men (for the most part) and is male-pleasure centered so it is not really a good representation of healthy or gratifying sex. This is a completely separate issue though and could fill 100 other threads.

What is the angle here? To make this an officially recognized addiction people can go to rehab for? To ban porn in these States altogether? Number 2 wouldn't surprise me given the current political climate in the US; however consenting adults should be able to view art made by other consenting adults if they want to... pretty sure that's protected under the good ol Constitution which is being decimated as we watch.

miss.a.p1600
11-20-2017, 06:28 PM
At first I thought this restricting porns would be impossible (given how pornhub and its competitors are so wide spread across the net and if performers have a hard time stopping pirating of their films) but now I realize the recent laws about the government surveilling everyones internet history/usage .... If they are successful with this I have no doubt we will end up like China and how their government censors their internet.

Either that or we'll be back to watching "illegal" porn on dvd's or like in the 70's - at the movie theater ... or even peep shows.

I actually don't think that is that bad of an idea. At least the performers will be back to making that Jenna Jameson money.


Plus, I don't see why there is no regulation against porn that promotes violence against women. This is the case in the UK, where even spanking isn't allowed.

It should Definitely have a disclaimer before viewing. I think the thing is that some people are into BDSM which may constitute "violence". Like how does one define violence in porn?

If it were my young adult son/daughter, I would want them to learn about "traditional" sex first then learn about the more fetish types of sex. Like if you jump right into fetish (esp. if it's more extreme) then I think it could negatively affect one's sex life. Like going from virginity straight to double penetration anal or something....just too much - gotta ease in lol!


Well, there are incidences of actors getting HIV. That sounds pretty public-health crises-y to me. They're not using condoms and engaging in very high risk activity.

This is an interesting point. I actually would prefer to see more condom usage in porn. I mean, reality is young adults (new to sex) will be watching and probably will be using porn as sex ed (which I think is a bad idea depending on the content/type of porn being viewed). So to me it's like how are we preaching "safe sex"/condom use/etc but yet promoting the complete opposite?

The typical porn puts a lot of pressure on women given that they will be fucking men who have probably watched condomless porns to have to tell them "no honey, I know that although you watched porn and 90% of it is condomless, You probably have deduced from this that it is not pleasurable with a condom. But rest assured, what you see in porn is FANTASY and I will not be raw fucking without mutual STD tests/commitment to continued sexual health"

If I were a lawmaker, instead of restricting porns I don't see why a simple disclaimer required in the beginning - so that way people can be aware of what they are about to see and decide if they want to continue viewing/keep in mind they still have to take physical health precautions/remember to view it as fantasy only.

Also with respect to porn STD testing - they should figure out how those past actors/actresses got HIV, etc and strengthen their testing. I also believe (but Im not 100 %) that actors/actresses can choose to wear protection. If they chose to wear condoms then they should make same rate than their counterparts.

Sam38g
11-20-2017, 07:04 PM
Condoms are the LAW in California.
Companies will not hire you if you insist on condoms in shoots.
Most shoots are now shot in Europe, not the U.S. anymore.

Condoms & testing in the Nevada brothels is another example of a precedent. Now, since prostitution is legal in a few places in Nevada where it is controlled, condoms are required & testing is done on a regular basis. Proves that gov regulations when it comes to sex work does work. Let's go by a study where it is a controlled atmosphere like those legal Brothels.

You can not control who has sex with who outside the porn sets.

Restrictions on porn are being put into place BECAUSE of Pornhub NOT despite it.

slowpoke
11-20-2017, 07:14 PM
"Public health" is a money grab.

Regulation is a pretext for taxation.

Making you safe is a euphemism for destroying your rights.

miss.a.p1600
11-20-2017, 07:15 PM
Condoms are the LAW in California.
Companies will not hire you if you insist on condoms in shoots.
Most shoots are now shot in Europe, not the U.S. anymore.

Condoms & testing in the Nevada brothels is another example of a precedent. Now, since prostitution is legal in a few places in Nevada where it is controlled, condoms are required & testing is done on a regular basis. Proves that gov regulations when it comes to sex work does work. Let's go by a study where it is a controlled atmosphere like those legal Brothels.

You can not control who has sex with who outside the porn sets.

Restrictions on porn are being put into place BECAUSE of Pornhub NOT despite it.

Very interesting. I didn't realize that the law in CA.

What is your theory on why companies won't hire you if you prefer condoms? I mean why isn't condom usage independent of hiring?

I do remember a couple instances the performers that got HIV had apparently contracted it off set then transmitted it to their film partners. This has to be a difficult situation because like you say the only way to eliminate risk here is prevent the performers from having sex off film/restrict their partners to those who use the same testing standards -- and that would be quite impossible unless they agreed to that sort of arrangement.


However, some of the performers are catching it on set. I remember Pinky - I think she was on Vlad or some documentary talking about how she had caught STD's on multiple occasions to the point where she had said if you work in porn it's inevitable you're going to catch something and she used condoms on set for a while. This is her experience so it could be something that others haven't experienced. Because I have seen other performers who said they've never experienced negative health consequences as a result of their work in porn.

There was also one performer - Mr. Marcus I think - who had syphillis but was somehow able to alter his test results making it appear as though he was ready to shoot when he was really sick. He then transmitted it, and effectively ruined his porn career. But my point is How they not verify his results? The testing seems a bit flawed but I don't know if there is a solution or if they've sealed the loopholes from that incident

*anyhow I agree with what was said above....indiscriminate raw fucking (not knowing your partners status whether you in a porn/watch a porn or not) and lackluster/nonexistent testing is the public health crisis - not the porn in and of itself

Sam38g
11-21-2017, 04:20 AM
Very interesting. I didn't realize that the law in CA.

What is your theory on why companies won't hire you if you prefer condoms? I mean why isn't condom usage independent of hiring?

I do remember a couple instances the performers that got HIV had apparently contracted it off set then transmitted it to their film partners. This has to be a difficult situation because like you say the only way to eliminate risk here is prevent the performers from having sex off film/restrict their partners to those who use the same testing standards -- and that would be quite impossible unless they agreed to that sort of arrangement.


However, some of the performers are catching it on set. I remember Pinky - I think she was on Vlad or some documentary talking about how she had caught STD's on multiple occasions to the point where she had said if you work in porn it's inevitable you're going to catch something and she used condoms on set for a while. This is her experience so it could be something that others haven't experienced. Because I have seen other performers who said they've never experienced negative health consequences as a result of their work in porn.

There was also one performer - Mr. Marcus I think - who had syphillis but was somehow able to alter his test results making it appear as though he was ready to shoot when he was really sick. He then transmitted it, and effectively ruined his porn career. But my point is How they not verify his results? The testing seems a bit flawed but I don't know if there is a solution or if they've sealed the loopholes from that incident

*anyhow I agree with what was said above....indiscriminate raw fucking (not knowing your partners status whether you in a porn/watch a porn or not) and lackluster/nonexistent testing is the public health crisis - not the porn in and of itself

It is the law in California.
There are studeos or individual performers all across America who do use condoms along with testing & some who don't. The narrative is that condom porn can not make money so everyone tends to believe it without shooting with condoms & finding out for themselves.

All the major porn companies are NO longer owned by Americans but by a shell companies & who exactly are the owners. And so if the producers are sued or arrested or fined by the State of California the producer & performers get in trouble NOT the company who makes the most amount of money off of that scene.

Now, a person can NOT make the assumption of that all cases of HIV in the porn industry are from sexual contact outside of shoots. We are told this, because if they did get it on set, then the company could be sued. The company could be held liable for all medical related cost. Soon as someone is test is positive, the propaganda machine goes into over time to dig up dirt on them & trash their reputation all over the internet. Thus being able to throw doubt upon whether or not if they got it on set.
Immediately, their real names, addresses and everything else is made public. They are thrown under the bus very quickly.

There are plenty of times in the porn industry that I insisted on condoms. There are very few performers who can insist on condoms & still get shot. 99% of the performers who want condoms careers are over. Way to many directors, male performers & producers have tweet & posted all over the web in refusing to work with those who insist on condom despite the laws.

They all put profits over the performers health. Since they put profits over our well being they can NOT be trusted.

Way to many porn director & producer stay tested so they can fuck the talent off camera with out condoms. Which describes about 85% of them using the talent pool as their own personal harem. Oh the fights & resentment between them if one gets to fuck a girl first especially in the ass before the others do.

Since it is the law in California, it is not to hard to see that OSHA which is Federal would determine that it is the law in every state.

Now, let's get to my favorite part. I love hearing the producers/companies howl & make accusations about someone turning them in for shooting without a condom. You upload video evidence of filming sex without a condom all over the web on your site & various VOD & DVDs. What smart person films the very evidence OSHA & health department to use against them in a court of law and puts it up all over the internet for the world to see?

Several companies have moved shooting to Vegas & Miami. Tons of content is being shot in Europe rather than America. Companies that make the most off of porn, we are talking $20 million to $500 million a year are NOT have lawyers & shell companies to shield them from being held accountable. Anyone who produces for them in the U.S. are idiots for not using condoms. It will sooner or later come to bite them on the ass.

I stopped doing hardcore several years ago because I saw all of this happening. I changed my business model & the type of customers I attracted in preparation.

As history has taught us, when an industry is a multi-million to billion industry. They will exploit, lie, cover up scandals and such in the name of profits. Porn is the most unregulated industry in the U.S. Corporations can not be trusted to have employees best interest at heart. The testing protocols in place and repeated to everyone is NOT the same as the LAW. The law does NOT require testing, it requires condoms.

Now these industry FSC who claims to be in charge & determines the testing protocols & standards is NOT the U.S. Gov. They have zero authority to be setting the standards used by the industry world wide. They have zero authority to hold anyone or company accountable for not doing as they dictate. FSC wants to mandate that all performs take HIV meds that prevent a person from getting HIV if they have unprotected sex with an HIV+ person. These meds are $1500 to $3000 a month. FSC says it is discrimination to allow HIV+ performers not have sex with HIV- performers and all without condoms.

They want performers to take costly HIV meds for the rest of their lives even if they don't have HIV. Stating it is cheap if you have medical insurance and co-pay is $150 a month.

Which is just what the GOP needs to shut down the whole industry under the laws being passed calling it a Public Health Hazard. FSC repeatedly tells performers & companies to disobey California Laws & not use condoms.

Mare
11-21-2017, 08:39 AM
I don't see how these multi billion dollar companies are going to allow this to happen. They have deep pockets and you can't tell me there aren't plenty of guys they are able to buy off.
Not sure why they'd come after cam models when they should just go after the fact that so many of these companies ( shell or not) are allowing performances in free chat. As we performers know- we don't have any money. Most of these laws are about $$$. How can they monetize. If they take porn out of the state of Florida- what else is supporting the state? Not the citrus growers or big sugar. They're hurting after the hurricanes. Not the holy rollers and bible thumpers that pay -0- taxes.
I do agree they need to find a way to keep it out of the hands of minors. Porn is a piss poor representation of actual day to day monogamous human interaction. No way in my home life does my h cum on my face, choke me or shove his cock down my throat and hold it there while I can't breathe. I definitely don't condone any of the taboos.
But where does freedom of speech and freedom from government oppression in America come into play?
I also really can't believe that all these companies or the govt wants all the porn money going overseas making our enemy countries more able to afford weapons of mass destruction.

Sam38g
11-21-2017, 10:12 AM
I don't see how these multi billion dollar companies are going to allow this to happen. They have deep pockets and you can't tell me there aren't plenty of guys they are able to buy off.
Not sure why they'd come after cam models when they should just go after the fact that so many of these companies ( shell or not) are allowing performances in free chat. As we performers know- we don't have any money. Most of these laws are about $$$. How can they monetize. If they take porn out of the state of Florida- what else is supporting the state? Not the citrus growers or big sugar. They're hurting after the hurricanes. Not the holy rollers and bible thumpers that pay -0- taxes.
I do agree they need to find a way to keep it out of the hands of minors. Porn is a piss poor representation of actual day to day monogamous human interaction. No way in my home life does my h cum on my face, choke me or shove his cock down my throat and hold it there while I can't breathe. I definitely don't condone any of the taboos.
But where does freedom of speech and freedom from government oppression in America come into play?
I also really can't believe that all these companies or the govt wants all the porn money going overseas making our enemy countries more able to afford weapons of mass destruction.

These companies have deep pockets & they moved to countries where they are untouchable. Which cost them under $10,000, where as lawyers to lobby against these laws, Lawyers to fight them can cost up to $5 million. They already have covered their asses legally.

Have you READ the TOS in the cam contracts? You are an independent contractor who is responsible for following the local laws, county, state & Country laws of where you reside.

They will continue to profit and replace any & all American performers with ones from other countries. All corporations operate this way & it is nothing new in other industries.

These companies are WORLD WIDE industries and not just American. Majority of cam performers are studio girls from Europe & South America. All porn money pretty much is going through Cypress. I knew that the first day I signed up to camming over 12 years ago with IMlive. The banking & my representative was based out of Cypress. Which the CIA calls the KGB money laundering capital.

GOP & the religious right have always tried to regulate & dictate American citizens sex lives. How you feel or what you think they should be focused on does NOT stop them from coming after the porn industry in America. Only voting them out of office puts a stop to it. Lobbying on a State level to your elected Representative can help stop it.

It is a huge mistake to think these big companies are going to save us. ALL of them are registered in other countries that give them a better tax break & protect them legally from the laws in the U.S.

Some companies insist on the laws of the U.S. be adhered to and many more don't. Like SM, no below the waste nudity allowed in free chat.

Florida main money sources is NOT porn. Tourism is the main source of money in Florida. Sorry, but there is NO way BangBros, C4S, Reality Kings & MOFOs are shooting so much that they are generating more jobs than Disney World or all the beaches here.
At most porn production and let's be generous 300 people in Florida, Disney World is 62,000. Any major hospital in Florida has more employees than all the porn production companies in Florida.

Sam38g
11-21-2017, 10:15 AM
Taboo stuff is in the TOS due to Visa. Visa will not allow payment processing for those acts.

Those companies could lose their ability to take Visa as a payment for what is on the taboo list.

Mare
11-21-2017, 10:33 AM
Yes, of course I know the tos. They will throw us all under the bus. But here's the thing. If they're coming after porn. And they can't make a profit from it b/c it's all being done overseas- they'll just block the US from the sites. That seems to be where they want to go with it.
Really, what are they going to do to cam girls? Take the $ we don't have? Put us in jail so we can't get out and get jobs and then we have to be on welfare?
Where do you see this going as a cam girl?

Sam38g
11-21-2017, 07:00 PM
It isn't about them getting money from us, but to punish women for being evil. Punish us into tempting men to sin.

American cam performer are like 20% or less of the cam performers world wide. GOP is doing this to keep their Christian base happy & them re-elected. Which how it always has been. Due to the Democrats & Obama most of you have come of age & worked in a period of time where those in porn were not harassed, shamed & punished by the law.

This is nothing new to me, I've lived it before. I'm also careful about not posting more than 10% of pics & vids in public places that are sexually explicit.

I remember when even a bikini pic could get your yahoo account closed down. Imagine the whole internet with Facebook rules on porn & porn accounts.

Sam38g
11-21-2017, 07:01 PM
Where do I see it going?

Hola Mexico?
Bonjour Montreal?

Mare
11-22-2017, 08:32 AM
Montreal or Costa Rica. Mexican Police are the mafia. Corrupt as hell.

BurlesqueBaller
11-22-2017, 05:51 PM
While it's true porn played a role in the contribution of developing some of my sick perverse eroticisms WGAF! If anything they need make a mandatory Miranda rights equivalent that Pornhub needs to read before scamming women out of copyrights on their content lol.

Sam38g
11-22-2017, 10:11 PM
Montreal or Costa Rica. Mexican Police are the mafia. Corrupt as hell.

Do you cam?

So How do the police know if you are camming or not?

WE don't go out in the streets or visit men in their hotel rooms to cam. In another thread you equated porn to prostitution... yes, they are both sex work but one you have to be paid in person & have sex with the guy. The other no direct payment or actual sex, so the police aren't going to bust me on cam.

Ifyouseekamy
12-18-2017, 01:19 AM
This is the dumbest thing ever.

Restricting porns is not the way to go about an alleged "crisis". People will be pervs with or without porns. Horny people gone figure a way to access it anyways. Actually restricting it will make it more enticing.

And besides - Have we restricted liquor from all the alcoholics? Is there a restriction on heroin and meth and pharmaceutical drug dealers in white lab coats calling themselves "doctors"? Not to mention mass murdering in churches n schools n shit.....But there is no health crisis in none of that?

What we need is non-biased, informative sex education...thats it. It's not rocket science.

Religious motives. We are so fun to hate. My bff is a Christian. Hell I listen to Christian radio, but All this stuff is making me disgusted with Christianity. Quit forcing people to think fairytales are real.

Sam38g
12-18-2017, 02:56 PM
Religious motives. We are so fun to hate. My bff is a Christian. Hell I listen to Christian radio, but All this stuff is making me disgusted with Christianity. Quit forcing people to think fairytales are real.

LMAO
Majority of religions are all about demonizing women. I find them all to be evil.

Miss.a.p1600 Guess you forgot all about prohibition. Where the Methodist got laws passed on the Federal level to save men from the evils of alcohol. How it made men lecherous & rape women. How it destroyed homes, especially since women were not allowed to work unless it was prostitution or doing laundry.

There are several different attacks & approaches world wide upon porn due to tubesites. Tubesites & torrents platforms want to do bitcoin mining on users computers even when logged off of their sites to generate income because the pop ups & ads are not as profitable anymore.

Now, if we were to go by the Robber Baron formula, you steal or devalue the product to nothing & buy or put the competition out of business. Then you start or fund groups to protest & get the laws changed so that you look like you are fighting it but secretly it benefits you.

Who has a monopoly on the industry?

So if all porn had to be behind a pay wall who would benefit the most?

What would be away to create a higher value on content without pissing off those who got it for free all these years?

Now, wouldn't all the independent cam girls & content creators be a problem? So having bot farms attack & keep them angry on social media sites be a way to help run off their business. Pushing them to a point they write something that could be seen as a threat & flagging it so that they lose that account........

Even though only MV talked about it, many of the VOD sites we all use are under cyber attacks. Which is a way to get rid of the competition & have a monopoly.

This is a BILLION DOLLAR industry, with that will come lots of underhanded tactics of those who want to control it all.

Really, have to think beyond the obvious & how it just affects you. One company destroyed most of the porn companies did any of you think they would stop there & NOT come after the cam companies and VOD platforms?

Sam38g
12-18-2017, 02:58 PM
Who all got rich during prohibition? Don't for the obvious and say the Mafia....... Kennedy's & many society pious families you would never suspect.

Always follow the money.

Dancer_maria
01-16-2018, 08:02 PM
In the last 20 years the US society in general has been "Dumbing down" the American male. It has substituted public school as a parent. The amount of women claiming to have been "screwed" 20+ years ago and just now want more money has risen and its forced men into closets and online porn. Doesnt mean they are bad people, but it shows what a role reversal will do when its not natural, but Govt control related. Many men would rather come see a dancer they know they will never marry, than deal with what society has done to their masculinity.. Its sad, but Porn in its current sense is NOT the problem, The Govt's big "put down" of men can be blamed. I know of 5 men, previously married, some for 20 years that are now Gay. Why? Trust and less sex based humiliation at the hands of many, including oprah....

slowpoke
01-16-2018, 09:17 PM
Always follow the money.


The money will go to the people declaring the crisis, at least that's their plan.

"In the United States, a public health emergency declaration releases resources meant to handle an actual or potential public health crisis. Recent examples include incidents of flooding, severe weather,[1] and the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano described it as a "declaration of emergency preparedness."[2]

The National Disaster Medical System Federal Partners Memorandum of Agreement defines a public health emergency as "an emergency need for health care [medical] services to respond to a disaster, significant outbreak of an infectious disease, bioterrorist attack or other significant or catastrophic event. For purposes of NDMS activation, a public health emergency may include but is not limited to, public health emergencies declared by the Secretary of HHS [Health and Human Services] under 42 U.S.C. 247d, or a declaration of a major disaster or emergency under the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act), 42 U.S.C. 5121-5206)."[3][4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_emergency_(United_States)

slowpoke
01-17-2018, 12:34 PM
In the last 20 years the US society in general has been "Dumbing down" the American male. It has substituted public school as a parent. The amount of women claiming to have been "screwed" 20+ years ago and just now want more money has risen and its forced men into closets and online porn. Doesnt mean they are bad people, but it shows what a role reversal will do when its not natural, but Govt control related. Many men would rather come see a dancer they know they will never marry, than deal with what society has done to their masculinity.. Its sad, but Porn in its current sense is NOT the problem, The Govt's big "put down" of men can be blamed. I know of 5 men, previously married, some for 20 years that are now Gay. Why? Trust and less sex based humiliation at the hands of many, including oprah....

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/why_leftists_hate_masculinity.html

There has emerged a war on masculinity. Why? Because masculine men are harder to control under tyrannical socialism. The modern beta male, on the other hand, craves socialism. This is why the left has branded masculinity as toxic: it stands as a roadblock to their endgame.

Sam38g
01-18-2018, 02:48 AM
In the last 20 years the US society in general has been "Dumbing down" the American male. It has substituted public school as a parent. The amount of women claiming to have been "screwed" 20+ years ago and just now want more money has risen and its forced men into closets and online porn. Doesnt mean they are bad people, but it shows what a role reversal will do when its not natural, but Govt control related. Many men would rather come see a dancer they know they will never marry, than deal with what society has done to their masculinity.. Its sad, but Porn in its current sense is NOT the problem, The Govt's big "put down" of men can be blamed. I know of 5 men, previously married, some for 20 years that are now Gay. Why? Trust and less sex based humiliation at the hands of many, including oprah....

Men once again blaming women for there issues.

You know 5 men who used to be married but are now gay & you blame women & Oprah for it. I know plenty of men who got married because they were afraid to openly admit they were gay, then after a divorce decided life was too short to pretend to be anymore. NEVER once heard them blame Oprah or women in general.

Now, I do see the alt right media sites comments fill up with the exact same post from one to the other on Christian values, blaming Oprah & such. So laying the ground work to determine porn evil & tell everyone they can't watch it anymore. Which means your religion just over stepped my FREEDOM of Religion. It also is stepping all over Freedom of Speech & how it protects porn. Larry Flynt -Supreme Court ring any bells for you.

Men love strippers, so chase good Christian women who think sex is wrong might not be that guys type.

NO getting rid of strip clubs or porn is ever going to turn a gay male straight again. If you actually knew gay men then you'd know that to be true.

Why would anyone want to force another person into a marriage or sexual relationship with another they are not attracted too?

The Gov is NOT forcing men to visit porn sites, go to strip clubs or be gay. Big GOV is over 90% men. So blaming women while majority of the gov is ran by men is insane.

Are you telling me women can't say 'no', not get equal pay, go to work without worrying about sexual harassment because men can't handle respecting us & behaving?

I give men way more credit than you do in being their own person & capable of making there own decisions in who they want to be.

Sam38g
01-18-2018, 02:53 AM
Now, there are several State AG's suing the FCC for Net Neutrality.

The Dems are trying to get Net Neutrality passed as a law and not as a FCC regulation whim. So there is a fight on a State & Federal level for NN.

magicgembliss
01-18-2018, 11:11 PM
Montreal or Costa Rica. Mexican Police are the mafia. Corrupt as hell.

My back up countries are New Zealand and Costa Rica. No gracias to Mexico, nice people, lovely country but yes too corrupt and dangerous too.

Dancer_maria
01-20-2018, 05:07 PM
Men once again blaming women for there issues.

You know 5 men who used to be married but are now gay & you blame women & Oprah for it. I know plenty of men who got married because they were afraid to openly admit they were gay, then after a divorce decided life was too short to pretend to be anymore. NEVER once heard them blame Oprah or women in general.

Now, I do see the alt right media sites comments fill up with the exact same post from one to the other on Christian values, blaming Oprah & such. So laying the ground work to determine porn evil & tell everyone they can't watch it anymore. Which means your religion just over stepped my FREEDOM of Religion. It also is stepping all over Freedom of Speech & how it protects porn. Larry Flynt -Supreme Court ring any bells for you.

Men love strippers, so chase good Christian women who think sex is wrong might not be that guys type.

NO getting rid of strip clubs or porn is ever going to turn a gay male straight again. If you actually knew gay men then you'd know that to be true.

Why would anyone want to force another person into a marriage or sexual relationship with another they are not attracted too?

The Gov is NOT forcing men to visit porn sites, go to strip clubs or be gay. Big GOV is over 90% men. So blaming women while majority of the gov is ran by men is insane.

Are you telling me women can't say 'no', not get equal pay, go to work without worrying about sexual harassment because men can't handle respecting us & behaving?

I give men way more credit than you do in being their own person & capable of making there own decisions in who they want to be.
I did NOT Blame Women. I did mention oprah due to her Hate on White men recently where she proposed they should die.
Many men, who are Dumbed down in school, cant get their crap together as an adult, so women like me, and many other would rather a more stable guy With Balls to stand up for something, anything. Many Modern men ( 20-35 anyway) on average are weak minded having followed the overt "softness" of the education system. That is where the fault lies, and that IS Govt.
I am all for protecting free speech, I have no desire to see the >> GOVT<< Ban porn to get money.
All I am saying is why we got here, and its my Own opinion as I dont go to political sites, but I do listen to many in business ( including women) who cant seem to find Competent males to hire.

magicgembliss
01-20-2018, 06:36 PM
Many men, who are Dumbed down in school, cant get their crap together as an adult, so women like me, and many other would rather a more stable guy With Balls to stand up for something, anything. Many Modern men ( 20-35 anyway) on average are weak minded having followed the overt "softness" of the education system. That is where the fault lies, and that IS Govt.

Alternatively, you could respect men enough to see their power and ability to be "stable" and "stand up for things" rather than snowflaking them. Most modern human beings are horrible, self-serving, blind, incurious and emotionally deadened wusses in general and don't see this as a gendered issue. Most of the issues I see with men in any age group lacking togetherness seem to clearly stem from abusive or severely inadequate parenting rather than their particular experiences in school.

The education system is NOT "soft"- it is quite strict and harsh, not allowing for much innovation or novel methodology or insight. As a tomboyish female I never felt at ease within its confines either, despite having to suffer the pressures of the social expectation of a young female to succeed academically. I get it.

Academia - is NOT government. The same could be said for the corporate environment. They are all structured systems and have a lot in common.

Can you link to some valid source where Oprah said white men "should die"? I'm not debating at all simply really curious about this statement!

edit: not sure if you're referring to "school" as the education system in adulthood or simply grammar school/high school?

Dancer_maria
01-21-2018, 06:37 PM
I am snowflaking the way they were raised. This has really put a divison in the middle class, which affects strippers.
The Dept of Education, yes GOVT, sets standards and hands out cash based on those standards. Example is that Math crap they tried and didnt work in last 5 years.
Magingembliss >. Here Oprah is talking about MY Customers and generalizing them to the hilt.
When discussing racism against black people and the progress that has been made, the interviewer asks Oprah if she believes the problem of racism has been solved. She replied: > QUOTE

I’m saying problem not solved. I’m saying that, you know, that’s the beauty of a film like The Butler, and it’s the beauty of a film like 12 Years a Slave, and it’s the beauty of what we’re seeing, you know, on stage with Scottsboro Boys is that it allows people to see where the root of the problem started. It allows people to see, ‘Oh, that’s where it all started, this is how far we’ve come, and now this is how much farther we need to go.’

Of course problem is not solved. As long as people can be judged by the, by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still… And there’s a whole generation, I said this for apartheid South Africa, I said this for my own, you know, community in the South, there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die. < END QUOTE

magicgembliss
01-22-2018, 12:22 AM
I am snowflaking the way they were raised. This has really put a divison in the middle class, which affects strippers.
The Dept of Education, yes GOVT, sets standards and hands out cash based on those standards. Example is that Math crap they tried and didnt work in last 5 years.
Magingembliss >. Here Oprah is talking about MY Customers and generalizing them to the hilt.
When discussing racism against black people and the progress that has been made, the interviewer asks Oprah if she believes the problem of racism has been solved. She replied: > QUOTE

I’m saying problem not solved. I’m saying that, you know, that’s the beauty of a film like The Butler, and it’s the beauty of a film like 12 Years a Slave, and it’s the beauty of what we’re seeing, you know, on stage with Scottsboro Boys is that it allows people to see where the root of the problem started. It allows people to see, ‘Oh, that’s where it all started, this is how far we’ve come, and now this is how much farther we need to go.’

Of course problem is not solved. As long as people can be judged by the, by the color of their skin, the problem’s not solved. As long as there are people who still… And there’s a whole generation, I said this for apartheid South Africa, I said this for my own, you know, community in the South, there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die. < END QUOTE

So MEN "were raised" in a specific manner that women were not? They were unequally treated or are you advocating that they have different needs than do women?

I don't know what "division in the middle class" you are referring to? What does this mean?

You talk about how men were treated in school as boys, but then refer to the "Math crap they tried...int he last 5 years" So which generation are you referring to?

To be fair, if that's a real quote,Oprah specifically said "older people". She is not targeting not all white males but "or white people" but older white people. She's just implying that she's waiting for them to die out because they are more racist than other groups. It's a pretty arrogant and sociopathic thing to say, still not on par with advocating genocide.

Dancer_maria
01-22-2018, 01:06 AM
So MEN "were raised" in a specific manner that women were not? They were unequally treated or are you advocating that they have different needs than do women?

I don't know what "division in the middle class" you are referring to? What does this mean?

You talk about how men were treated in school as boys, but then refer to the "Math crap they tried...int he last 5 years" So which generation are you referring to?

To be fair, if that's a real quote,Oprah specifically said "older people". She is not targeting not all white males but "or white people" but older white people. She's just implying that she's waiting for them to die out because they are more racist than other groups. It's a pretty arrogant and sociopathic thing to say, still not on par with advocating genocide.
Ok, YES Men have been "Put down", especially white American males, in last 15 years.( thats the Gen Y . Im not sure they have been "feminized", but it has headed that way. Not as many men are 'real" men these days. More are women, more want to be women, and fewer are working, or have the skill set to work. Last 5 years of Common core math has slowed down our country at a whole in math. thats This gen.
Public schools being a Parent is the real bottom line problem... Porn is Not the real disease, the GOVT Control is.
Oprah hates the very people she got rich from, and tries to speak for the "poor".

kamiliam
01-22-2018, 03:03 AM
Ok, YES Men have been "Put down", especially white American males, in last 15 years.( thats the Gen Y . Im not sure they have been "feminized", but it has headed that way. Not as many men are 'real" men these days. More are women, more want to be women, and fewer are working, or have the skill set to work. Last 5 years of Common core math has slowed down our country at a whole in math. thats This gen.
Public schools being a Parent is the real bottom line problem... Porn is Not the real disease, the GOVT Control is.
Oprah hates the very people she got rich from, and tries to speak for the "poor".


I am sorry HOW have white American men been put down? Put down from being top dog for no apparent reason for hundreds of years? I will tread very lightly on this because this is a non political board. Could it be that there are other factors at play? Parent's can't parent because they are forced to work long hours sometimes long distances away because wages are stagnant? Maybe infrastructure problems that aren't being addressed that would help all genders and races? Job training, equality in education, taking on new industries? IDK just throwing it out there. Sorry if this is out of line, will delete if needed

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-22-2018, 04:06 AM
In the last 20 years the US society in general has been "Dumbing down" the American male. It has substituted public school as a parent. The amount of women claiming to have been "screwed" 20+ years ago and just now want more money has risen and its forced men into closets and online porn. Doesnt mean they are bad people, but it shows what a role reversal will do when its not natural, but Govt control related. Many men would rather come see a dancer they know they will never marry, than deal with what society has done to their masculinity.. Its sad, but Porn in its current sense is NOT the problem, The Govt's big "put down" of men can be blamed. I know of 5 men, previously married, some for 20 years that are now Gay. Why? Trust and less sex based humiliation at the hands of many, including oprah....


I am snowflaking the way they were raised. This has really put a divison in the middle class, which affects strippers.
The Dept of Education, yes GOVT, sets standards and hands out cash based on those standards. Example is that Math crap they tried and didnt work in last 5 years.
Magingembliss >. Here Oprah is talking about MY Customers and generalizing them to the hilt.
When discussing racism against black people and the progress that has been made, the interviewer asks Oprah if she believes the problem of racism has been solved. She replied: > QUOTE

Iím saying problem not solved. Iím saying that, you know, thatís the beauty of a film like The Butler, and itís the beauty of a film like 12 Years a Slave, and itís the beauty of what weíre seeing, you know, on stage with Scottsboro Boys is that it allows people to see where the root of the problem started. It allows people to see, ĎOh, thatís where it all started, this is how far weíve come, and now this is how much farther we need to go.í

Of course problem is not solved. As long as people can be judged by the, by the color of their skin, the problemís not solved. As long as there are people who stillÖ And thereís a whole generation, I said this for apartheid South Africa, I said this for my own, you know, community in the South, there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die. < END QUOTE


Ok, YES Men have been "Put down", especially white American males, in last 15 years.( thats the Gen Y . Im not sure they have been "feminized", but it has headed that way. Not as many men are 'real" men these days. More are women, more want to be women, and fewer are working, or have the skill set to work. Last 5 years of Common core math has slowed down our country at a whole in math. thats This gen.
Public schools being a Parent is the real bottom line problem... Porn is Not the real disease, the GOVT Control is.
Oprah hates the very people she got rich from, and tries to speak for the "poor".

Please do your research before you start spreading fake news and alt right propaganda here on Stripperweb. I know that things are very heated in the world today and it's almost impossible to not discuss politics especially when it effects sex workers but this is just complete nonsense. From men "turning" gay to Oprah attacking white men. Please stop.

Here is the actual video on the BBC network where she was saying that in order for racism to die out that older generations who ingrained in racism will have to die in order for that to happen. That statement could include people of color as well. I know alot of older poc who also rascist. There is no mention of white men on this video, or slaughter in the streets or an uprising like many of the white nationalist publications are reporting. Also take note how the BBC decided to cut away from the topic and left it hanging? It starts at around 2:29


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2pNuEd5xs

This is one of those conversations where you all should really try stay on topic.

Dancer_maria
01-22-2018, 10:32 PM
We Already delt with ms SUPER RICH racist, Phatgirl
Bottom line that affects the original topic as well, is that there is a Shortage of Skilled male workers in the USA right now. This is a fact...
Blame who ya want.. It means more products from overseas .
I feel the men also are too scared to get in a serious relationship for fear of being accused of something.... leads to more porn, possibly more club action with guys with no money.
I am done with this drama

Sam38g
01-23-2018, 02:57 PM
Back to the subject and dealing with REAL Facts.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/370133-montana-becomes-first-state-to-implement-net-neutrality-rules-following-fcc

So now this will become a State Rights Vs Federal Gov as several States rush to implement Net Neutrality on a State level.

You can follow the @FCC on twitter since that is where s much of the U.S. Gov policies are being made.

Djoser
02-01-2018, 07:41 AM
Thanks for getting it back on track Sam38. I will try to clean up the off topic politics later, but I am wiped out from work now.

magicgembliss
02-01-2018, 09:49 PM
Ok, YES Men have been "Put down", especially white American males, in last 15 years.( thats the Gen Y . Im not sure they have been "feminized", but it has headed that way. Not as many men are 'real" men these days. More are women, more want to be women, and fewer are working, or have the skill set to work. Last 5 years of Common core math has slowed down our country at a whole in math. thats This gen.
Public schools being a Parent is the real bottom line problem... Porn is Not the real disease, the GOVT Control is.
Oprah hates the very people she got rich from, and tries to speak for the "poor".


The problem with these sort of political assertions is that they are so abstract and absent of any facts and figures to support them. How do you KNOW that common core math has slowed down the country? You're missing the logic here. There is no connection between data points, just random assertions based on..what? Also these negative statements you are making about modern men are undoubtedly misandrist in nature.

I see nothing to support the idea that Oprah hates anyone, or that she tries to "speak for the poor". You have no argument without figures and factual data.

Edit: sorry if this is off topic but trying to provide counterbalance to extreme political assertions affecting both women and men

magicgembliss
02-01-2018, 09:55 PM
Also....let me just leave this here.


http://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/view/249

"White Fragility
Robin DiAngelo

Abstract

White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium. This paper explicates the dynamics of White Fragility."


Just sayin.

magicgembliss
02-01-2018, 09:58 PM
Back to the subject and dealing with REAL Facts.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/370133-montana-becomes-first-state-to-implement-net-neutrality-rules-following-fcc

So now this will become a State Rights Vs Federal Gov as several States rush to implement Net Neutrality on a State level.

You can follow the @FCC on twitter since that is where s much of the U.S. Gov policies are being made.

^^ This

Also, https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality