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Sam38g
02-27-2018, 01:27 PM
Going to post bits from both sides. It gets voted on today.

>:(https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4386121/CRPT-115hrpt572-pt1.pdf


https://vimeo.com/249095210


The Walters Amendment & HR1865 would undermine free speech, jeopardize community-based education/services for sex trafficking victims, and commercial harm sex workers #StopFOSTA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopFOSTA?src=hash) #SESTA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SESTA?src=hash) #FOSTA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FOSTA?src=hash)


https://medium.com/freely-sharing-the-sum-of-all-knowledge/three-principles-in-cda-230-that-make-wikipedia-possible-c0fb0006a932

As currently drafted, SESTA would amend the federal sex trafficking statute (18 U.S.C. § 1591) to state that participation in a sex trafficking venture occurs when a party, such as a website, is “knowingly assisting, supporting, or facilitating” a sex trafficking crime. While clearer than the broad “knowing conduct” standard that appeared in earlier versions of SESTA (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170918/18065238235/why-sesta-is-such-bad-bill.shtml), this language could potentially make websites unintentionally liable for facilitating criminal activity if they engage in proactive, yet imperfect, monitoring efforts.

RyanXO
02-27-2018, 01:55 PM
Thank you for posting that is seriously scary shit.

trustfundkiller
02-27-2018, 02:00 PM
It's scary to see how much the government is trying to eradicate sex work, and putting it under the guise of trying to protect sex trafficking victims is laughable. I don't believe for a second that this is what FOSTA is actually about. This misdirected bill is going to make it harder for everybody to make a living.

Historically sex workers have always been resilient and managed to rise above in all types of political climates, so I can't say I'm worried in the grand scheme of things but this will no doubt make the industry more difficult for everyone.

miss.a.p1600
02-27-2018, 02:47 PM
^^^Meanwhile they the same hippocrites getting caught fawking esc*rts n p*rn stars (See. Elliot Spitzer, Donald T, and more)

Then they'll come back later and bitch about women being the devil while making even more laws to control their bodies as if controlling their economic well-being wasn't enough

If this site is illegal - it was nice reading yalls posts and I will have to bounce out in that case

I dont know if this site will be illegal (but then again there are people who equate stripper to pr*stitute) but I think they may be trying to get rid of Backpage and craigslist adult sections.

trustfundkiller
02-27-2018, 03:39 PM
^^^Meanwhile they the same hippocrites getting caught fawking esc*rts n p*rn stars (See. Elliot Spitzer, Donald T, and more)

Then they'll come back later and bitch about women being the devil while making even more laws to control their bodies as if controlling their economic well-being wasn't enough

If this site is illegal - it was nice reading yalls posts and I will have to bounce out in that case

I dont know if this site will be illegal (but then again there are people who equate stripper to pr*stitute) but I think they may be trying to get rid of Backpage and craigslist adult sections.
Yup, these politicians are jumping through every hoop to ensure prostitution is as unsafe, vulnerable, and stigmatized as possible, but god knows they aren't going to part with their $1000/hr escorts. Who wants to go home and sleep with their nagging wife? Certainly not Spitzer, Trump, Weiner, or Clinton! Whoops. Talk about a conflict of interest! I mean, they aren't at risk since there are many high-profile escorts who operate by word of mouth, but the average prostitute who is simply trying to pay rent and put food in her child's mouth, or god forbid ...the Backpage hooker ...shit out of luck, I suppose!

It's humorous, but mostly sad as we're going to be the ones affected directly or indirectly. It should be crystal clear to everyone, sex worker or civilian, that our government does not have our best interests at heart. Nearly 90% (correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not Googling) of our population is against net neutrality, but somehow civilian outcry simply doesn't matter. The last few weeks have caused quite the stir over gun control issues, but oh no, Florida doesn't consider stricter gun control ...let's just ban backpacks and arm our teachers!

FOSTA isn't about protecting sex trafficking victims. Why would the same politicians who stripped 9 million children of healthcare suddenly care about women and children who are victims of sex trafficking? They don't - it's an issue of patriarchal capitalism. Legislation criminalizing sex work does not and has never existed to protect women. Patriarchal captitalism dictates that sex is an act that is a woman's obligation to perform for free. This is about targeting willing sex workers - not sex trafficking victims.

This is an issue of misogyny. These politicians hate sex workers for charging for pussy - something they believe is a man's birthright.

trustfundkiller
02-27-2018, 03:47 PM
I will truly be gutted if I had to say goodbye to this site forever, but at this rate I wouldn't be surprised. I remember reading through this site on my 18th birthday and studying every word as if it was my bible, because I was going to use stripping as the means to create a better life for myself - one of financial stability. And guess what? I accomplished what I set out to do, and I can thank Stripper Web for a great part of that success. Where in the "real world" could I find the type of community and mentorship I found here?

Sex work isn't going away, it has existed since the beginning of civilization. Banning online resources will only make women more vulnerable to pimping, assault, rape, murder ...all of the things these politicians are supposedly soooooo concerned about.

/endrant. I'm very upset, that's all I can really say.

eagle2
02-27-2018, 09:33 PM
I don't think this site would be affected since it's not being used as advertising for prostitution. As long as your over 18 and are not involved in any illegal activities with someone who is under 18, I don't think you would have anything to worry about.

Djoser
02-27-2018, 09:58 PM
They aren't coming after SW. Not yet, not with this.

Though any and all government interference in the sex industry is indeed evil and generally hypocritical.

Feel free to discuss your business here, dancers, cam performers, escorts alike.

Sam38g
02-28-2018, 08:25 AM
The law passed any site that gives advice or warnings even can be in jeopardy.

miss.a.p1600
02-28-2018, 08:48 AM
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180227/15314039324/doj-tells-congress-sesta-fosta-will-make-it-more-difficult-to-catch-traffickers-house-votes-it-anyway.shtml

excerpts

the language in the combined SESTA/FOSTA is so poorly drafted that it would actually make it more difficult to prosecute sex traffickers, and also calling into question whether or not the bill was even Constitutional.

rushing through a bill with huge implications is no way to make law

in fact that the new language would impact prosecutions by effectively creating additional elements in fact they say the amendment will make it harder to prosecute

In response to this, Senator Ron Wyden has already put out a statement scolding the House for failing to understand what they've just done:

The failure to understand the technological side effects of this bill – specifically that it will become harder to expose sex-traffickers, while hamstringing innovation – will be something that this congress will regret....

....the bill passed today by the House will make it harder to catch bad actors and protect victims by driving this vile crime to shadowy corners of society that are harder for law enforcement to reach.

This is the perfect encapsulation of a broken Congress.

Lots of Congressional Representatives will now claim that they "voted to stop sex trafficking" or some such, without bothering to understand or care why this bill actually will harm the victims of sex trafficking, making it more difficult for law enforcement to go after actual traffickers, creating serious incentives for websites not to stop sex traffickers from using their platforms and not to help law enforcement, and (as a side effect) seriously undermining free speech on the internet.

Girl Anachronism
02-28-2018, 12:23 PM
I don't think this site would be affected since it's not being used as advertising for prostitution. As long as your over 18 and are not involved in any illegal activities with someone who is under 18, I don't think you would have anything to worry about.

yeah, stripping is still legal, i'd think only the "other work" section would be a problem. none of us here promote extras or illegal drugs on the stripping sections of the board so i'd think that's all fine still.


but does this mean they will completely shut down all the sites like eccie, TER, p411 etc? first backpage and now this.. if that's the case then i wouldn't be surprised if we see an increase in trafficking and prostitution in the clubs. like how else are they going to find clients? what are they supposed to do?

WendiStarr
02-28-2018, 02:56 PM
I hope this site doesn't go down. This forum helps so much with having someone to talk to who won't be harsh or judgmental because they know what it's like. It's like a virtual home here. I've got quite a few people on here that are like my friends, even if we live in different states and different countries.

KatyBoleyn
02-28-2018, 10:39 PM
For us it won't effect much. We already take measures to curtail or prevent pimping/trafficking. It won't be that much more effort to interview everyone instead of just non-US people. Our strict policy on paying the model and only the model directly has also made a lot of potential shenanigans go away.

Indy sites can and will take a big hit. All it takes is someone to use their "tribute" button to get paid for escorting and its all over. They would need to take extraordinary measures to prevent this or at least appear that they care to prevent it.

The bottom line for cammodels is that this kind of regulation for live cams will put a burden on camsites. Sites already charging a good amount will be able to absorb these costs. Sites that have cut their rates to the bone will either need to up their rates or die.

Things I can foresee:

- Geo-blocking would be mandatory for your home area.
- Profile references to your home state, location, etc, would be monitored and banned.
- Payments could only be strictly in your name or a legitimate agency/payroll provider, no hubbies, boyfriends, girlfriends.
- No more "personal studios" for you and 2-3 other people.
- You'll probably see another 5-10% eaten away from indy sites - they'll need liability insurance and extra monitoring personnel. Content restrictions would get tighter.
- Physical studios will probably be monitored and inspected/raided on a regular basis.
- Additional photos and hoops to jump through for 2257 requirements.


I hope this site doesn't go down. This forum helps so much with having someone to talk to who won't be harsh or judgmental because they know what it's like. It's like a virtual home here. I've got quite a few people on here that are like my friends, even if we live in different states and different countries.

There's always exceptions for education and "free speech" forums. This bill is a laser beam focused on places escorts can list themselves and ways they can get paid.

Djoser
03-07-2018, 11:38 AM
Please, relax.

The new law sucks and the (same old) attitude that produced it as well. And the Bible beating legions' influence on the legal system is something to fear long term, for any and all adult sites of all kinds.

But they are most certainly NOT coming after SW now, nor are they likely to.

We had a rabbit like you
03-07-2018, 12:11 PM
Everyone's always saying that sex work needs to be more stigmatized to make money..well this year there's been a LOT of push to try and shut down adult businesses and transactions so I guess we will see if that's true? Just can't believe we're still so backward as a society

Brandi_Lynn
03-07-2018, 12:39 PM
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180227/15314039324/doj-tells-congress-sesta-fosta-will-make-it-more-difficult-to-catch-traffickers-house-votes-it-anyway.shtml

excerpts

the language in the combined SESTA/FOSTA is so poorly drafted that it would actually make it more difficult to prosecute sex traffickers, and also calling into question whether or not the bill was even Constitutional.

rushing through a bill with huge implications is no way to make law

in fact that the new language would impact prosecutions by effectively creating additional elements in fact they say the amendment will make it harder to prosecute

In response to this, Senator Ron Wyden has already put out a statement scolding the House for failing to understand what they've just done:

The failure to understand the technological side effects of this bill – specifically that it will become harder to expose sex-traffickers, while hamstringing innovation – will be something that this congress will regret....

....the bill passed today by the House will make it harder to catch bad actors and protect victims by driving this vile crime to shadowy corners of society that are harder for law enforcement to reach.

This is the perfect encapsulation of a broken Congress.

Lots of Congressional Representatives will now claim that they "voted to stop sex trafficking" or some such, without bothering to understand or care why this bill actually will harm the victims of sex trafficking, making it more difficult for law enforcement to go after actual traffickers, creating serious incentives for websites not to stop sex traffickers from using their platforms and not to help law enforcement, and (as a side effect) seriously undermining free speech on the internet.

I'm probably incredibly naive, but I woulda thought in all honestly that the big fish that the government says they want to get in sex trafficking & human trafficking in general would be on the dark net? I realize that they're are traffickers that use BP and/or other sites -but, the ones that Ive stumbled across (working in hotel work) are typically strung out drug dealers that have roped them in one or two strung out girls (not that they aren't important, they all matter & is horrible). I have always felt that when these conservative politicians start cracking down on these sites, skin taxes on strip clubs, internet laws that its just their way to try to get back in control (especially after a dem has been in office) since we all know that these politicians usually have their dirty little fingers in it anyhow & their own vices that they hide

vsauce
03-07-2018, 01:02 PM
Reminds me of a Family Guy cutaway gag where the cops burst in on a couple and tried to arrest the guy for hiring an escort. His reply - yes I'm paying for sex, but I'm also filming it, so it's not prostitution - it's porn.

Now watch camcorder sales skyrocket.. :-P

CFMNH44
03-07-2018, 09:46 PM
I'm probably incredibly naive, but I woulda thought in all honestly that the big fish that the government says they want to get in sex trafficking & human trafficking in general would be on the dark net? I realize that they're are traffickers that use BP and/or other sites -but, the ones that Ive stumbled across (working in hotel work) are typically strung out drug dealers that have roped them in one or two strung out girls (not that they aren't important, they all matter & is horrible). I have always felt that when these conservative politicians start cracking down on these sites, skin taxes on strip clubs, internet laws that its just their way to try to get back in control (especially after a dem has been in office) since we all know that these politicians usually have their dirty little fingers in it anyhow & their own vices that they hide

What you say makes sense about who LE should go after, but sadly most stings and cases I've seen in the past year or so are big splashes in the press for 'Trafficking", and arrests of consenting adults. Only rarely do they find anyone underage and / or truly 'trafficked'.

Djoser
03-23-2018, 01:43 AM
Now I am starting to wonder if I was completely wrong in dismissing the threat to escort support.

Djoser
03-23-2018, 01:45 AM
I heard reddit and several other websites closed their escort sub forums already

WendiStarr
03-23-2018, 06:53 AM
^ LE should be focusing on the sex traffickers but they've been active on BP, craigslist, and sugar daddy websites, busting a lot of agencies and even indy women lately. I read about an an indy who was busted recently and in no way did she look remotely close to being underage. This woman looked like a grandma type who'd be baking you cookies or something. They recently raided and shut down an AMP near me. No underage or trafficked women were found to be there. They need to focus on actually rescuing the ones forced to work against their will and leave the consenting, legal age women alone.

CFMNH44
03-23-2018, 08:08 AM
That's their whole thing with 'Trafficking" - They contend that you are not doing this of your own free will, you're forced to, coerced, etc. Therefore need the 'government's help'...



^ LE should be focusing on the sex traffickers... <snip>. No underage or trafficked women were found to be there. They need to focus on actually rescuing the ones forced to work against their will and leave the consenting, legal age women alone.

WendiStarr
03-23-2018, 08:25 AM
That's their whole thing with 'Trafficking" - They contend that you are not doing this of your own free will, you're forced to, coerced, etc. Therefore need the 'government's help'...

Yeah, and their idea of helping is by sending them to jail, having a sex offense charge on their record that will prevent them from finding any decent paying "normal" job. Some women work as escorts to put themselves through school. Lets say that a woman was moonlighting part-time as an escort to pay for nursing school or to become a teacher. All it takes is for one arrest to ruin her chances of ever becoming a nurse or teacher. All the years and money she spent on school, wasted. This will force consenting women to either resort to working shitty jobs like fast food, scrubbing toilets, below minimum wage waitress jobs(no offense to anyone who does those jobs) that don't care if you have a criminal record or continue on a cycle of repeated arrests for the same thing. I'm not feeling optimistic that this site won't be taken down next. :-/

Elektra Luxx
03-24-2018, 12:16 AM
They are not going to shut this site down. We don't advertise or seek clients here. Well, what about the the things I've posted? I say lot of things that aren't true. The pics/video of me having sex? I'm an exhibitionist. Yes that's me with some guy I hooked up with. There was no exchange of money. Check my purse. Why do I carry so much money? I was planning on a buying new 4K TV and I don't want to go into credit card debt. Yes, I do have lots random sex partners. Why? It's okay for a guy to have multiple sex partners, but a woman can't?

My point is, LE still needs proof and unless they have a sting or have video, they can't do anything.

Bahuba
03-24-2018, 08:23 AM
LE won't do anything to this site for several reasons, chief among them being the fact that SW services are not advertised here nor are they sought as a matter of course. Also, they do this with the intention of having additional tools and not blanket enforcement. HOWEVER, just because this site is safe doesn't mean those blundering idiots haven't fucked up. Please read any of several statements issued by SW groups run and staffed by actual SWs and you will see they almost universally oppose this travesty.

WendiStarr
03-24-2018, 02:20 PM
Reminds me of a Family Guy cutaway gag where the cops burst in on a couple and tried to arrest the guy for hiring an escort. His reply - yes I'm paying for sex, but I'm also filming it, so it's not prostitution - it's porn.

Now watch camcorder sales skyrocket.. :-P

I see that you are from UK. That might work there but in US there are only 2 states where it's legal to film porn. If someone did that in anywhere other than those 2 states and were caught by police, there would be a prostitution charge still, if the woman accepted money to be in the porn. That translates to money for sex to cops. It's ridiculous, really.

Robert De Niro
03-24-2018, 11:59 PM
there are only 2 states where it's legal to film porn.

This is incorrect

please read this paper in it's entirety

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2864532

pinups4
03-25-2018, 04:58 AM
every social media and community site is in jeopardy

Bahuba
03-25-2018, 05:59 AM
This is incorrect

please read this paper in it's entirety

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2864532

Again, this relies on enforcement believing this. They will arrest you, and put their machinery to work against you, and you will show up six months later waving this paper in the judge's face. As a senior judge who sat on the bench for 35 years told me, judges make mistakes all the time. So you've been arrested, pilloried, and charged with felonies, and even if you're eventually exonerated your reputation is in tatters because you're a "trafficker".

WendiStarr is pointing out two states where LE leaves adult film makers alone. The rest do not.

WendiStarr
03-25-2018, 08:55 AM
^ Yes, thank you, Bahuba.

Elektra Luxx
03-25-2018, 07:28 PM
I see that you are from UK. That might work there but in US there are only 2 states where it's legal to film porn. If someone did that in anywhere other than those 2 states and were caught by police, there would be a prostitution charge still, if the woman accepted money to be in the porn. That translates to money for sex to cops. It's ridiculous, really.


Again, this relies on enforcement believing this. They will arrest you, and put their machinery to work against you, and you will show up six months later waving this paper in the judge's face. As a senior judge who sat on the bench for 35 years told me, judges make mistakes all the time. So you've been arrested, pilloried, and charged with felonies, and even if you're eventually exonerated your reputation is in tatters because you're a "trafficker".

WendiStarr is pointing out two states where LE leaves adult film makers alone. The rest do not.

So I may or may not have made a video at the that shows I'm exactly at the Texas/Louisiana State border rest stop. So they treat this as if it is illegal? OMG!!!!


https://i.imgur.com/JuyZEVF.jpg

Titus23
03-25-2018, 07:32 PM
This is incorrect

please read this paper in it's entirety

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2864532

Wait, it's legal to film porn in NH? I lived their 90% of my life. How do I not know this? I love porn. I feel like this is something I should know!

Bahuba
03-26-2018, 05:17 AM
So I may or may not have made a video at the that shows I'm exactly at the Texas/Louisiana State border rest stop. So they treat this as if it is illegal? OMG!!!!


https://i.imgur.com/JuyZEVF.jpg

You're safe. No one is going to go out retroactively and arrest someone who made one movie at a rest stop. They will arrest only continuous productions. Case in point, Tampa, Florida, where, for some unknown reason, a lot of adult films are made. The sheriff there "got tough" on adult film makers and arrested several.

Titus23
03-26-2018, 05:20 AM
You're safe. No one is going to go out retroactively and arrest someone who made one movie at a rest stop. They will arrest only continuous productions. Case in point, Tampa, Florida, where, for some unknown reason, a lot of adult films are made. The sheriff there "got tough" on adult film makers and arrested several.

I wonder what the penalty is.. a fine? I bet that's worth it if the film makes more than the fine. If jail time, then maybe not.

WendiStarr
03-26-2018, 06:22 AM
So I may or may not have made a video at the that shows I'm exactly at the Texas/Louisiana State border rest stop. So they treat this as if it is illegal? OMG!!!!


https://i.imgur.com/JuyZEVF.jpg

No, you have nothing to worry about in that situation. LE isn't going to come looking for you for that. :)

Girly_Girl
03-26-2018, 06:41 AM
I see that you are from UK. That might work there but in US there are only 2 states where it's legal to film porn. If someone did that in anywhere other than those 2 states and were caught by police, there would be a prostitution charge still, if the woman accepted money to be in the porn. That translates to money for sex to cops. It's ridiculous, really.

So are y'all saying its illegal to make videos and sell on clip sites now too?

Bahuba
03-26-2018, 06:50 AM
So are y'all saying its illegal to make videos and sell on clip sites now too?

What we're saying is that laws and enforcement are two different things. If you make homemade videos and sell them you will very likely never be troubled. If you announce that you'll be filming porn at address X, and film for a year, you may have to worry.

Robert De Niro
03-26-2018, 11:35 PM
WendiStarr is pointing out two states where LE leaves adult film makers alone. The rest do not.

This is incorrect. Police have raided shoot locations, arrested & fined producers/performers in various states including CA due to county ordinance noncompliance not state or federal law, don't mislead people on this forum.

You can shoot porn legally in states other than CA & NH, specific counties are a different kettle of fish.

I suggest everyone read the link I posted.

Bahuba
03-27-2018, 07:20 AM
This is incorrect. Police have raided shoot locations, arrested & fined producers/performers in various states including CA due to county ordinance noncompliance not state or federal law, don't mislead people on this forum.

You can shoot porn legally in states other than CA & NH, specific counties are a different kettle of fish.

I suggest everyone read the link I posted.

I'm not misleading people on this forum, my good fellow, you are. May I suggest if your advice doesn't come from experience that you take a step back? Reading your overly simplistic post makes me question why you would espouse the view that shooting adult is legal everywhere and those who engage in it don't risk arrest in the US. Are you a current or former federal or state prosecutor? Are you an attorney with extensive practice defending clients who have been arrested for filming adult content?

Your link is to a paper by Mark Randazza, who is a known attorney in the business. If you are him, say so. If not, realize that he is stating a legal opinion that has not been upheld widely, similar to the folks who declare that you don't have to pay taxes because of such and such law.

Even in federal court, in case law I can cite, two different courts can rule in opposition on the same subject. That is why the supreme court exists. In the meantime, no one wants to be fighting a $400k case to the supreme court while labeled a trafficker.

Read this clearly: Law is not case law. Legal opinions, even those of experts, are not law. Enforcement is not law. Judges make mistakes.

People considering filming adult content, please be very careful and don't imagine that the existence of a legal opinion on the web will exonerate you or keep you from being arrested. I support SW as most of us do on this site, but please understand the climate is a difficult one and you should take care while engaging in your profession while in the US.

WendiStarr
03-27-2018, 09:18 AM
This is incorrect. Police have raided shoot locations, arrested & fined producers/performers in various states including CA due to county ordinance noncompliance not state or federal law, don't mislead people on this forum.

You can shoot porn legally in states other than CA & NH, specific counties are a different kettle of fish.

I suggest everyone read the link I posted.

Sir, I suggest you not mislead people. If you were to post an ad on Craigslist, bp, or wherever advertising for an adult film, watch how fast police will be quick to respond to the ad, get an undercover female, get the address where you plan on shooting at, and show up to make an arrest. Yes, people are free to do as they wish if they want to film porn in any U.S. state but realize that there are potential risks and legal consequences. All it takes is for one nosy neighbor or a blabber mouth buddy to overhear your intent to film porn for profit and send an anonymous tip to police. They will be on you like white on rice with prostitution-related charges. I personally know someone who went through this. The person was not in FL or CA, where it is legal to film porn. The police said that shooting porn was the same as prostitution because the woman was being paid to perform sex acts. Whether a camera is recording or not doesn't make a difference, and may actually help to serve as evidence in prosecuting.

laurielegs
03-27-2018, 07:44 PM
So are y'all saying its illegal to make videos and sell on clip sites now too?

Definitely I wouldn't do it in Polk County, Florida.

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?155873-Kimberly-Kupps-arrested-in-FL-for-producing-amp-distributing-Porn-on-Clips4Sale

siouxie
04-07-2018, 11:52 PM
I usually do not read BuzzFeed articles but the fact is that a very small percentage of big media is covering this issue, and BuzzFeed published a pretty insightful article on possible (intended) effects and affects of SESTA:

"The difference between what sex workers and their advocates say — that trafficking is a relatively minor issue in their industry — and what anti-sex trafficking legislators believe reflects the country’s long held reluctance to believe women when they tell the truth, especially when it involves sex. One place where that truth is told daily is the internet communities where sex workers reside in safety and solidarity, and SESTA is designed to break up these communities."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilysmith/sex-workers-sesta-censorship-free-speech?utm_term=.uuB02545y0#.meBgJLVLag

Elektra Luxx
04-08-2018, 01:33 AM
One place where that truth is told daily is the internet communities where sex workers reside in safety and solidarity, and SESTA is designed to break up these communities."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilysmith/sex-workers-sesta-censorship-free-speech?utm_term=.uuB02545y0#.meBgJLVLag

If news organizations are looking into our little community, should we be scrubbing anything from posts, avatars or signatures that may give away personal information. Just a thought.

Caseycurvaceous
04-10-2018, 12:08 PM
Join the discord server - if need be we go underground with telegrams and start encrypting everything we do . FUCK THIS SHIT!

Bahuba
04-10-2018, 02:21 PM
I don't believe they will trouble this site but I would support any move that makes people feel safer.

DeepThoughts
04-10-2018, 03:46 PM
I vote we move the site over to the dark web just in case :D

pornlaw
04-15-2018, 08:11 PM
This is incorrect

please read this paper in it's entirety

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2864532

Im a 20 year attorney with 14 years in adult entertainment with my practice completely centered on adult. Ive represented numerous adult clients through-out the years. You can check my bio here -

www.AdultBizLaw.com (http://www.AdultBizLaw.com)

and I dont agree with Randazza. And there is another issue that most attorneys and people fail to recognize, the legality of a model release. You may not get arrested for shooting porn, but could you defend and enforce your rights under a model release where porn production is not legally protected. That is a complete grey area. A contract for sex, is an illegal contract and unenforceable.

and to answer the OP's question, any site with forums that has a sexual nature is a site that should be concerned about FOSTA. So far 32 sites have closed or changed their services because of FOSTA. It is broadly drafted for a reason, it can be used to go after just about any website.

Bahuba
04-16-2018, 07:41 AM
Im a 20 year attorney with 14 years in adult entertainment with my practice completely centered on adult. Ive represented numerous adult clients through-out the years. You can check my bio here -

www.AdultBizLaw.com (http://www.AdultBizLaw.com)

and I dont agree with Randazza. And there is another issue that most attorneys and people fail to recognize, the legality of a model release. You may not get arrested for shooting porn, but could you defend and enforce your rights under a model release where porn production is not legally protected. That is a complete grey area. A contract for sex, is an illegal contract and unenforceable.

and to answer the OP's question, any site with forums that has a sexual nature is a site that should be concerned about FOSTA. So far 32 sites have closed or changed their services because of FOSTA. It is broadly drafted for a reason, it can be used to go after just about any website.

Thanks very much for this post from a respected veteran in the business. As anyone who reads this informed opinion based on years of real experience can see, it is the "grey areas" that can be the most damaging. SESTA/FOSTA/CLOUD *will* be challenged by someone, but enforcement and case law is tangled and open to interpretation. Therefore, it is impossible to definitively state that anyone is "safe".

RyanXO
04-20-2018, 01:06 PM
and to answer the OP's question, any site with forums that has a sexual nature is a site that should be concerned about FOSTA. So far 32 sites have closed or changed their services because of FOSTA. It is broadly drafted for a reason, it can be used to go after just about any website.

The major corporations like Amazon, Facebook, Disney, etc. all support this bill wholeheartedly. I am starting to think this whole law is about giving the huge companies more control, especially by being able to sue/censor/shut down smaller web-based businesses and shut down competition. There is a lot of money to be made from adult-oriented sites, as well as dating/hookup sites, the latter of which could also be a major target of FOSTA. Basically ANY website like Pornlaw said could be target at this point, adult or not.

The makers of this policy are disguising this scary legislation with sex work issues because the uneducated public would be quick to jump and say, "oh yea that stuff is awful I support this bill!" Sex workers are an easy target.

The whole issue with stopping prostitution and "sex trafficking" is mostly just obfuscation.