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JaneBurgess
03-28-2018, 06:31 PM
Phrendly has a video chat option and I'm 99% sure it's operated by the same company as Niteflirt. It seems like they "beta tested" chat on Phrendly before launching it on NF. Hopefully that means that video chat comes next. And they can get rid of that BS .20 cent/min connection fee!

Yes its the same company. Im hoping they make it the same cam option as Phrendly because that video option is a breeze to use

Erika_Xstacy
03-28-2018, 08:13 PM
https://wire.com/en/legal/
I saw this one on twitter

Snowy0Star
03-28-2018, 08:34 PM
https://wire.com/en/legal/
I saw this one on twitter

are they ok with adult ? is this a skype alternative too ? i did a search for porn adult nude naked and nothing came up

Erika_Xstacy
03-28-2018, 08:40 PM
are they ok with adult ? is this a skype alternative too ? i did a search for porn adult nude naked and nothing came up


basically says we can do whatever we want as long as it is lawful. Nothing is monitored.

seashell
03-29-2018, 06:29 AM
^It's not free, so it would be tricky to convert guys to using it. I'm curious to know more.

JGB2009
03-29-2018, 06:54 AM
^It's not free, so it would be tricky to convert guys to using it. I'm curious to know more.


Wow I didn't know it wasn't free. I just downloaded it on my computer.

seashell
03-29-2018, 08:16 AM
Wow I didn't know it wasn't free. I just downloaded it on my computer.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong, it says it's free for personal use, but they also have a paid service for businesses.

KarinaGiselle
03-29-2018, 10:40 AM
Discord IS free, only some features are reserved for Nitro.

Honestly our best shot right now is discord.

Girly_Girl
03-29-2018, 10:53 AM
So like if they ban our skype account, would we be able to make another one?

Erika_Xstacy
03-29-2018, 11:09 AM
its just like skype.
personal use

30-day free trial. No credit card required. Free for personal use.

What is Wire? Is it free?
Wire is a secure, private communications tool offering free text, voice, video, pictures, and much more. Wire is available on iOS, Android and desktop. Wire conversations are end-to-end encrypted, ensuring all data is private and secure.

There are no ads, banners, popups, takeovers — none of that. Wire does not sell your usage data to advertising companies. Created by some of the key people behind Skype, Wire seeks to harness the demand for an independent ad-free messaging platform, and serve as the future of digital communications.

Wire is free for personal use and offers premium services for businesses.



Indy camming is a personal business just like big box site but some of us pay the ultimate price to stay safe by accepting 35%

7 bucks? really?
5x24=120 for TWO YEARS
6x12=72 for 1 year
or 7 bucks monthly
tax write off? yes
Expensive? Youre a camgirl.
If you have to pay, pay. This is a business. Companies are going to see a influx and most might just say youre using this for a business, switch to the business plan.

You don't give your services away for free but its ok for the companies providing services to give those away for free?
:O Think about it. Makes zero sense but wire is free for now.

https://support.wire.com/hc/en-us/sections/200584020 seems fairly easy to comprehend.

Skype said fuck yall, skype is free. Skype has always been against pornography, Wire expects you to be a responsible adult.
Free is never free as most models are finding out this week.
Models are paying the ultimate price, hustling to find a place to safely indy cam, anxiety and god knows what ppl around you are feeling as your vibes :-\ are thrown onto others.
As of right now, wire is free for personal use ::)
1:1 convo

a lot of models use skype free services to chat and keep up
There is this awesome place called Chatzy http://www.chatzy.com/rooms.htm Free version is limited.
Stripperwb camgirls used this back in the day, probably still do and it was a paid subscription bc the free version was limited. I think it ran around 100.00 bucks yearly, usually 1 model paid for. We didnt make money, we just wanted to chat when camming or 24/7

ETA: i didn't realize how big those red letters were going to be lol sorry

Snowy0Star
03-29-2018, 11:10 AM
So like if they ban our skype account, would we be able to make another one?

Probably but why fight it they clearly dont want us using their software anymore

Erika_Xstacy
03-29-2018, 11:12 AM
Discord IS free, only some features are reserved for Nitro.

Honestly our best shot right now is discord.

I have issues with discord. It will run in the background causing sm to fuck up on me if I dont switch it off. I actually want it off my laptop. it caused a good portion of my sm problems this week.

I saw your post in the skyprivate thread and they are treating this like its nothing, dont worry? Are they serious as they post the TOS article on their timeline?
They have responded on twitter to models and I don't trust them to keep yall in their best interest. I hope they do but I don't trust them. Dummies took part of the skype name and blended it, most of us thought skype actually lifted the porno law. nope just some assholes made it look legit with a plug in.
I have more passion not being a indy cammer trying to help yall find options and skyprivate is like lahdedah, dont worry.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repealstop-fosta-now

I saw this on twitter

DahliaSimone
03-29-2018, 11:26 AM
Well, the Great Camgirl Migration of 2018 should be interesting (I keep picturing a herd of big sexy elephants in lingerie....i dont know why my brain works the way it does). I, too, am leaning toward Discord although I have never really used it. But, i am assuming the sites will tell us where to go to maintain accounts and such.....this is seriously a huge blow though.

Snowy0Star
03-29-2018, 11:31 AM
Well, the Great Camgirl Migration of 2018 should be interesting (I keep picturing a herd of big sexy elephants in lingerie....i dont know why my brain works the way it does). I, too, am leaning toward Discord although I have never really used it. But, i am assuming the sites will tell us where to go to maintain accounts and such.....this is seriously a huge blow though.

Because ur smart and interesting . theres always madness with smarts. Einstein had aspgers and i do too so i know . im so fucking awkward and cant socialize well but im very efficient and really smart but cant easily find a job unless its shitty retail or something and i bearly get by and hate my life so i do nakkie stuff online lol

DahliaSimone
03-29-2018, 11:50 AM
Because ur smart and interesting . theres always madness with smarts. Einstein had aspgers and i do too so i know . im so fucking awkward and cant socialize well but im very efficient and really smart but cant easily find a job unless its shitty retail or something and i bearly get by and hate my life so i do nakkie stuff online lol

Same. I suck at socializing and im awkward EXCEPT on cam. Its like I transform into this character with confidence and people skills lol

JoyKitten
03-30-2018, 01:02 AM
There are plenty of occupations where exploitation is rampant and those industries are left untouched:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/nyregion/at-nail-salons-in-nyc-manicurists-are-underpaid-and-unprotected.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/08/us-seafood-workers-abuse-immgration-temporary-labor
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/travel/new-report-human-trafficking-exploitation-of-hotel-industry-workers.html

While your point is a good one, being treated like a slave in a nail salon, meat packing or hospitality industry is not quite the same as your 13yo daughter being catfished by a pimp in your city, then shipped off to be fucked by customer after customer in a dirty room in a US city or even lured to a foreign country. THAT is what these laws are attempting to prevent.

It saddens me when I hear on the local Ohio news the days list of missing teenage girls. Sure, some may just be running away, staying at a friends, but I feel in my heart many have been lured to someone sinister and shipped to Detroit, Chicago or some other town far away to be used as sex slave prostitutes. This article, and the number of sex trafficed LOCAL women is staggering, then mulitiply this by ever major city in the USA!

"Take the recent case involving a 15-year-old girl from Hemet. She posted an ad on a website last fall looking for babysitting or housecleaning work and was contacted by a man who had prostitution in mind instead, said Rice.

She was observed by police soliciting on an Oceanside street. The pimp eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to more than nine years in prison for crimes against her and a second girl." http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-sex-trafficking-usd-study-prosecutions-2015oct31-htmlstory.html

Skype & other chat services are places where preditors hang out, attempting to find girls to communicate with and catfish into meeting them (scooped up, never to return). So the law seems to be a noble attempt to put boundaries on that epidemic. I get that. I just wish it didn't impact our legitimate business model =p

On the possible up-side, we may finally have new platforms developed which are adult specific, which will be safe to conduct our business well into the future (forever). Discord may be one of those.

JoyKitten
03-30-2018, 01:19 AM
basically says we can do whatever we want as long as it is lawful. Nothing is monitored.

I'm glad to see they're based in Europe, so these bills won't directly affect them. Thanks for sharing.

JoyKitten
03-30-2018, 01:44 AM
I have issues with discord. It will run in the background causing sm to fuck up on me if I dont switch it off. I actually want it off my laptop. it caused a good portion of my sm problems this week.

I saw your post in the skyprivate thread and they are treating this like its nothing, dont worry? Are they serious as they post the TOS article on their timeline?
They have responded on twitter to models and I don't trust them to keep yall in their best interest. I hope they do but I don't trust them. Dummies took part of the skype name and blended it, most of us thought skype actually lifted the porno law. nope just some assholes made it look legit with a plug in.
I have more passion not being a indy cammer trying to help yall find options and skyprivate is like lahdedah, dont worry.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repealstop-fosta-now

I saw this on twitter

First, thank you for all your valuable input about options and your experience (Discord). RE SkyPrivate, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

For me I have great admiration for SkyPrivate.
The stepped-up, creating a wonderful payment app, and work with Boleyn Models Daily Pay to give cammodels a viable payment option of real cash (rather than Amazon cards or going through the trouble of setting up our own payment providers) for doing our shows via Skype.

Many of us were doing random Skype shows prior to SkyPrivate. I've known Skype had a low tolerance for adult transactions, but they hadn't impacted anyone I know of doing camming sessions there. And I thought it was ballsy of SkyPrivate to create an app for payment of adult shows. It works and I love using it combined with Boleyn Model's Daily Pay. It adds about $200 extra per week to my Streamate earnings, and I'm really going to miss that =(

Personally I give SkyPrivate a lot of credit for what they've created and hope they can find a solution to this threatening situation so I can continue using them. But if not, then I'll be morphing my business like the rest of you, finding another way of indie camming & figuring out the payment.

naomi_doll
03-30-2018, 07:17 AM
While your point is a good one, being treated like a slave in a nail salon, meat packing or hospitality industry is not quite the same as your 13yo daughter being catfished by a pimp in your city, then shipped off to be fucked by customer after customer in a dirty room in a US city or even lured to a foreign country. THAT is what these laws are attempting to prevent.

It saddens me when I hear on the local Ohio news the days list of missing teenage girls. Sure, some may just be running away, staying at a friends, but I feel in my heart many have been lured to someone sinister and shipped to Detroit, Chicago or some other town far away to be used as sex slave prostitutes. This article, and the number of sex trafficed LOCAL women is staggering, then mulitiply this by ever major city in the USA!

"Take the recent case involving a 15-year-old girl from Hemet. She posted an ad on a website last fall looking for babysitting or housecleaning work and was contacted by a man who had prostitution in mind instead, said Rice.

She was observed by police soliciting on an Oceanside street. The pimp eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to more than nine years in prison for crimes against her and a second girl." http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-sex-trafficking-usd-study-prosecutions-2015oct31-htmlstory.html

Skype & other chat services are places where preditors hang out, attempting to find girls to communicate with and catfish into meeting them (scooped up, never to return). So the law seems to be a noble attempt to put boundaries on that epidemic. I get that. I just wish it didn't impact our legitimate business model =p

On the possible up-side, we may finally have new platforms developed which are adult specific, which will be safe to conduct our business well into the future (forever). Discord may be one of those.

I don't really want to argue which exploitation is worse, but I will say the article you linked says that they use social media (facebook, insta, snap) and face to face interactions to recruit. Not even the most recent episodes of To Catch A Predator (they did a remake of it last year) show skype being used.

People who actually work with trafficking victims oppose this law, I feel we should trust their expertise. - https://injusticetoday.com/proposed-federal-trafficking-legislation-has-surprising-opponents-advocates-who-work-with-bf418c73d5b4

JoyKitten
03-30-2018, 11:34 AM
I don't really want to argue which exploitation is worse, but I will say the article you linked says that they use social media (facebook, insta, snap) and face to face interactions to recruit. Not even the most recent episodes of To Catch A Predator (they did a remake of it last year) show skype being used.

People who actually work with trafficking victims oppose this law, I feel we should trust their expertise. - https://injusticetoday.com/proposed-federal-trafficking-legislation-has-surprising-opponents-advocates-who-work-with-bf418c73d5b4

I'm not arguing whether the law is founded or unfounded, or whether I'm personally fore or against them. I'm simply trying to explain to people why the bills have been proposed/enacted. Some people here seem to feel that this law is to target our industry (camming) specifically, when it's not. IMO we're simply part of the fallout of this law being passed.

The bills are kind of like gun control. There are pros & cons on both sides, and people who feel passionate about the outcome going their way. There are voters who are crying out to lawmakers for putting a stop to kids disappearing, being forced to become prostitutes.

I agree, Skype is not specifically used as an initial recruiting to, but it can be used as a grooming tool to lure kids away to a private meeting. And besides, this law is NOT specifically targeting Skype or Yahoo messenger, or other video chat sites, they are just part of the jurisdiction these bills encompass and that's why it personally involves us.

For what it's worth, my BF webmaster seems to think that rather than try to enforce these burdensome bills on the Skype, MS might just roll-up Skype and put it into the dustbin all together. It just depends on how all this plays out, and how troublesome it is & how much revenue is lost for MS over the coming months & years while all streaming sites to try to stamp-out smut to the governments liking.

My dream is that when all this finally shakes out, camming will evolve, new platforms & apps developed, which will leave us with perminent, fear-free camming options which will never again be taken from us or jeaopardized. That's the future I'm hoping for =)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-30-2018, 11:50 AM
Some people here seem to feel that this law is to target our industry (camming) specifically, when it's not. IMO we're simply part of the fallout of this law being passed.



And they are entitled to those opinions. Lets keep the topic on track. And that is finding solutions so that we can all get to the money. I'm working on some new projects today and tomorrow. Someone was kind enough to share a really great resource with me and I need to do a little more research. When it's done I'll report back.

Erika_Xstacy
03-30-2018, 07:03 PM
Recently I had to use TV to access my moms computer. It was pretty smooth for a first time user.
I noticed a cam feature.
is that worth looking into?

Cam customers hit me up for teamviewer to control their shit. I decline so I am not familiar.

Just a thought
I skipped over it if it was mentioned.

(Prob a reason it was not mentioned and I dont know it lol)

Erika_Xstacy
03-30-2018, 07:37 PM
First, thank you for all your valuable input about options and your experience (Discord). RE SkyPrivate, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

For me I have great admiration for SkyPrivate.
The stepped-up, creating a wonderful payment app, and work with Boleyn Models Daily Pay to give cammodels a viable payment option of real cash (rather than Amazon cards or going through the trouble of setting up our own payment providers) for doing our shows via Skype.

Many of us were doing random Skype shows prior to SkyPrivate. I've known Skype had a low tolerance for adult transactions, but they hadn't impacted anyone I know of doing camming sessions there. And I thought it was ballsy of SkyPrivate to create an app for payment of adult shows. It works and I love using it combined with Boleyn Model's Daily Pay. It adds about $200 extra per week to my Streamate earnings, and I'm really going to miss that =(

Personally I give SkyPrivate a lot of credit for what they've created and hope they can find a solution to this threatening situation so I can continue using them. But if not, then I'll be morphing my business like the rest of you, finding another way of indie camming & figuring out the payment.

The skype issue with me leads back to paypal days. Account closed. .
and of course that happened bc of skype shows.

When skyprivate came along lol I questioned the name. Is skype setting us up? Its a damn trick.
They merged with Modelcentro and then I signed up.
Girl, I signed up and I declined every damn show. I'm the worst camgirl ever. Deleted that off modelcentro.
Ill go sit on sm but I will not do a damn skype show even tho everyone else is safely doing it

I worked CMD one month November 2014, made bank on thanksgiving.
Someone randomly hit up my skype and I freaked out. *uninstall*

Paypal lol put some shit on my ass.
I really hope a solution is found or I will be on facetime with my few guys.
*Ive cammed with theses guys for years, my safety, real name is not a concern with them but loss of income is*

What's funny to me is I was just getting over my fear of indy camming and microsoft pulled this shit.
My fear is back.
Dear God.
Ill be on box sites my entire cam life. lol

seashell
03-31-2018, 09:17 AM
I just realized I can no longer use my Skype phone number for Niteflirt. Fuuuck. :(

seashell
04-02-2018, 07:31 AM
So... it looks like Discord is not safe, either. Their Terms of Service explicitly states that pornography isn't allowed. The page about NSFW servers notes that you should refer back to the Terms of Service to make sure that the content is acceptable. It's similar to Skype, they have always had these rules but will likely start enforcing them.

Here's a youtube vid I found about the changes on Skype. It's about 2 hours long, so a LOT of info and analysis.

https://youtu.be/331b0UHZL2M

I'm personally planning to use Discord and Skype until they kick me off. Who knows, maybe the legislation won't even go through. But I think it's good to keep the conversation going and get us all to a safe, adult-friendly platform, if possible. We are the trailblazers. We tell the men where to go, and they follow us.

Has anyone tried Wire? Have you had success asking men to move from one platform to another?

I've had a handful of guys move over to Discord, and they seemed to understand the predicament.

Ginnyyy
04-03-2018, 04:03 AM
Thanks, SeaShell. I never checked Discord. I am about to take down the "Buy my Skype" products on my domain and subdomain, it s time. Leaving the blocks of time packages though, for a while and I shall see what I do with them when I get back from hollidays in 2weeks.
On another hand, I saw SkyPrivate is searching for new models at this time. I am not there, but I don t think they found a way to cam safely.

EricaErotica
04-03-2018, 04:58 AM
Apparently SkyPrivate posted an informational article to their company blog instructing models on how to protect their Skype accounts. They also are of the opinion that since the company (SkyPrivate) is not based in the USA they are not within the jurisdiction of SESTA. I do not know how accurate their assessment of the pending situation is. Read for yourselves.

Here is a link to the article http://blog.skyprivate.com/skype-banning-accounts-sesta-protect-account-skyprivate/ .



Thanks, SeaShell. I never checked Discord. I am about to take down the "Buy my Skype" products on my domain and subdomain, it s time. Leaving the blocks of time packages though, for a while and I shall see what I do with them when I get back from hollidays in 2weeks.
On another hand, I saw SkyPrivate is searching for new models at this time. I am not there, but I don t think they found a way to cam safely.

seashell
04-03-2018, 05:29 AM
Apparently SkyPrivate posted an informational article to their company blog instructing models on how to protect their Skype accounts. They also are of the opinion that since the company (SkyPrivate) is not based in the USA they are not within the jurisdiction of SESTA. I do not know how accurate their assessment of the pending situation is. Read for yourselves.

Here is a link to the article http://blog.skyprivate.com/skype-banning-accounts-sesta-protect-account-skyprivate/ .

What they posted sounds like good advice... back up your contacts list, and don't keep your Skype ID public. (lol, mine is all over the internet...)

I think they're only promising that they can keep paying us, despite the legislation. They can't be shut down because of SESTA. Their strategy is to just create a new account if our Skype gets shut down. I think their advice is our best option.

It's important to take what these companies say with a grain of salt, though, because their livelihood depends on us continuing to do Skype/Discord shows. Of course they want to encourage us to keep camming.

Best case scenario if our account gets shut down... we make a new one, transfer our old contacts, and guys follow us to the new account. I'm not going to stop advertising my indy shows, because I deserve that 85% payout, dammit. :)

sexyadrienne
04-04-2018, 10:44 PM
this boggles my mind, I never thought this would impact my personal income so greatly.

how the fuck is niteflirt going to function?

I know. NF's phone with cam is my bread and butter. Damn. What are the alternatives to using Skype now?

sexyadrienne
04-04-2018, 10:45 PM
Nevermind.

missjade
04-04-2018, 11:37 PM
hey girls..
when i was checking yesterday for skype alternatives... this popped up in my mind
That Good Old ICQ...
I need to read their tos.. but they have videocalls and its free and it doesnt look like th eold version anymore...
Hope this helps
Good luck

Snowy0Star
04-05-2018, 12:04 AM
hey girls..
when i was checking yesterday for skype alternatives... this popped up in my mind
That Good Old ICQ...
I need to read their tos.. but they have videocalls and its free and it doesnt look like th eold version anymore...
Hope this helps
Good luck

OMG ICQ is still a thing? damn ya got me feeling all nostisalgic and shit . thats so aol with the phone line 90s and early 2000s old school.

missjade
04-05-2018, 12:38 AM
hahaha yea its so back with slow connection but girls I think this is the solution for us at the moment, I just installed it and it looks so nice!! very modern and well I hope this can be a good alternative.. thats why I shared it with you girls.. Good Luck

PSOcodemonkey
04-05-2018, 08:52 AM
Has anyone tried Wire? Have you had success asking men to move from one platform to another?

I use Wire all the time for non-adult stuff, have not for adult. In general I like it, and you do not need to give your phone number to sign up (even if using their phone app). Just an email address. They are big on encryption as well. I never took time to read their ToS for adult, so I would do that before using for such, but in general I am happy with it, especially since they offer both desktop and phone versions. Regular personal version is free.

ETA: Customers would not need to download it either, they can just sign in to the browser version

kikiwiki
04-05-2018, 09:54 AM
Has anyone tried Zoom app to Indy cam? My guys therapist told him to start using it for their sessions because it’s encrypted, private and doesn’t violate hippa laws so I figure maybe it’s a good platform for us too to conduct our biz?

kortneykay
04-05-2018, 10:00 AM
I love how quick we are. NOTHING can keep us from our coin, lol. Skype will def feel the pinch when many of us drop their asses. Also, no one ever considers some people use skype for long distance calls/fun time with their lovers. When my ex was in basic and traveling during the military that's what we used to 'communicate', lol.

Procrasturbator
04-05-2018, 02:59 PM
I love how quick we are. NOTHING can keep us from our coin, lol. Skype will def feel the pinch when many of us drop their asses. Also, no one ever considers some people use skype for long distance calls/fun time with their lovers. When my ex was in basic and traveling during the military that's what we used to 'communicate', lol.

That's part of what makes this so ridiculous. I really doubt that camgirls make up anywhere NEAR the majority of naked Skype calls, it's crazy common for long distance couples or just randos on the Internet to get off on cam together. Combine that with gamers (who are certainly moving over to Discord now if they haven't already, but I don't see the no porn thing flying with them either) and really any adults casually communicating with each other who won't appreciate having to censor their language like they're little kids within earshot of their teachers... Really the only people Skype will have left are people who use it for vanilla professional calls and maybe people Skyping their relatives who are too old to bother with something new.

EdithOutlier
04-05-2018, 11:43 PM
Has anyone tried Zoom app to Indy cam? My guys therapist told him to start using it for their sessions because it’s encrypted, private and doesn’t violate hippa laws so I figure maybe it’s a good platform for us too to conduct our biz?

Funnily enough a friend of mine who is a psychologist just suggested this to me when i was bitching about the Skype drama. Apparently it's really popular for online therapy, so maybe? I haven't tried it myself yet.

Magical_Hoohah
04-06-2018, 02:48 PM
I'm not totally convinced that Skype is going to be doing an immediate crackdown, so we may have some time to make a transition. Microsoft didn't make a big announcement to scare all the sex workers away - we wouldn't even know about this if a blogger didn't read the updated TOS in full. Additionally, they didn't materially change much. "Porn" has always been against the rules, and they have always had the right to review our communications. As far as I can tell, the only thing that has actually changed is that they now forbid "offensive" language and they made it slightly more obvious that they can punish you for breaking the rules. Microsoft has said that they don't have the resources or desire to monitor anyone/everyone. I think you are still most likely to get kicked off Skype if someone complains about you specifically or you make it incredibly obvious at a glance that you are a sex worker. I doubt they are about to hunt us all down and purge us asap.


That said, I do think we should move the industry to another platform, and I've been looking for a Skype replacement for quite awhile because Microsoft has made it progressively shittier. I think a few good options are:

Discord - This is probably where things will migrate, primarily because it's already such a large platform. It's a pretty complex beast, and I have concerns that a lot of our older and less tech savvy guys will struggle with it a lot. Most of what we do would take place in the DM area, and just finding it can be confusing. Creating a server for yourself and having a link to it is a great option, but I think a lot of our Skype guys don't want to sort out their shows in a group chat room.

Wire - If Discord weren't already so popular, this would be my first choice. It's insanely simple, works similarly to Skype (in fact, it was created by the same people when they saw that Microsoft was destroying their creation), has an emphasis on privacy and encryption, and is fully functional in a browser window = nothing the guy has to download. My only objections are: there's no way to show whether you're online or not (although there are ways to get around that), and there's no way to keep notes on clients within the program itself.

Google Hangouts - functional, but not my favorite choice.


I think I'm going to try to offer all three and see where the chips fall...

*Lynn*
04-06-2018, 03:17 PM
I concur with others, looks like going back to ICQ might be a good option right now.

Only thing I could find was this:
ICQ does not warrant or guarantee that all Software versions shall be provided with similar grades and level of service, features, functionality and the ability to use, the ICQ Services. ICQ does not warrant or guarantee (1) that any program or information will be free of infection by viruses, worms, Trojan horses or anything else manifesting contaminating or destructive properties; (2) that the information available on or through the ICQ Services will not contain adult-oriented material, or material which some individuals may deem objectionable; (3) that the ICQ Services and the functions or services performed by ICQ will be uninterrupted or error-free; or (4) that defects in the ICQ Services will be corrected. You are solely responsible to isolate software and information, execute anti-contamination software and otherwise take steps to ensure that software or information, if contaminated or infected, will not damage your information or system.

So they are pretty much just giving a heads up that they can't guarantee you won't find any adult related content.

JaneBurgess
04-06-2018, 06:42 PM
I'm not totally convinced that Skype is going to be doing an immediate crackdown, so we may have some time to make a transition. Microsoft didn't make a big announcement to scare all the sex workers away - we wouldn't even know about this if a blogger didn't read the updated TOS in full. Additionally, they didn't materially change much. "Porn" has always been against the rules, and they have always had the right to review our communications. As far as I can tell, the only thing that has actually changed is that they now forbid "offensive" language and they made it slightly more obvious that they can punish you for breaking the rules. Microsoft has said that they don't have the resources or desire to monitor anyone/everyone. I think you are still most likely to get kicked off Skype if someone complains about you specifically or you make it incredibly obvious at a glance that you are a sex worker. I doubt they are about to hunt us all down and purge us asap.


That said, I do think we should move the industry to another platform, and I've been looking for a Skype replacement for quite awhile because Microsoft has made it progressively shittier. I think a few good options are:

Discord - This is probably where things will migrate, primarily because it's already such a large platform. It's a pretty complex beast, and I have concerns that a lot of our older and less tech savvy guys will struggle with it a lot. Most of what we do would take place in the DM area, and just finding it can be confusing. Creating a server for yourself and having a link to it is a great option, but I think a lot of our Skype guys don't want to sort out their shows in a group chat room.

Wire - If Discord weren't already so popular, this would be my first choice. It's insanely simple, works similarly to Skype (in fact, it was created by the same people when they saw that Microsoft was destroying their creation), has an emphasis on privacy and encryption, and is fully functional in a browser window = nothing the guy has to download. My only objections are: there's no way to show whether you're online or not (although there are ways to get around that), and there's no way to keep notes on clients within the program itself.

Google Hangouts - functional, but not my favorite choice.


I think I'm going to try to offer all three and see where the chips fall...


I think Skype and Discord will both do what they can to shutdown adult accounts. They dont want to be held responsible

laurielegs
04-06-2018, 07:38 PM
I use Wire all the time for non-adult stuff, have not for adult. In general I like it, and you do not need to give your phone number to sign up (even if using their phone app). Just an email address. They are big on encryption as well. I never took time to read their ToS for adult, so I would do that before using for such, but in general I am happy with it, especially since they offer both desktop and phone versions. Regular personal version is free.

ETA: Customers would not need to download it either, they can just sign in to the browser version

Hmmm, that is a big plus for my technology-challenged older customers.

So I could just send them a browser link and they can connect right to me?

OK I tested it and love it - sound and video are great. Only issue I see is that there is no chat screen that I can find that will stay up while the viewer is typing to me. A few of my customers want to type instead of talk and you can't see the chat without switching away from the video.

Other than that I think would be a great option and especially like that it can be accessed from a browser with no download needed.

Snowy0Star
04-06-2018, 08:32 PM
There is an in browser version of discord on the homepage

laurielegs
04-07-2018, 09:44 AM
There is an in browser version of discord on the homepage

Thanks! I'm trying it out, seems a little confusing. I seem to have some really clueless customers so not looking forward to trying to get them on there if it turns out to be the next Skype.

Voice and video quality are the best out of everything I've tried though, wow. The echo cancellation prevents that feedback crap too, exellent quality.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-07-2018, 09:53 AM
Thanks! I'm trying it out, seems a little confusing. I seem to have some really clueless customers so not looking forward to trying to get them on there if it turns out to be the next Skype.

Be sure to set up 2 factor verification. It is a pain in the ass if you forget which email you used to sign up or if the email verification expires. I had to delete my original account and start all over again.

goreantx
04-08-2018, 08:11 AM
Some Wire TOS stuff that I'm not sure about


b. Without limiting the foregoing, you agree that you will not: (i) institute, assist, or become involved in any type of attack, including without limitation denial of service attacks, upon the Apps, the Site and/or the Service (or any servers, systems or networks connected to the Apps, the Site and/or the Service) or otherwise attempt to obstruct, disrupt or interfere with the operation of the Apps, the Site and/or the Service or any other person’s or entity’s use of the Apps, the Site and/or the Service (or any servers, systems or networks connected to the Apps, the Site and/or the Service); (ii) attempt to gain unauthorized access to the Apps, the Site, the Service, accounts registered to other users, or any servers, systems or networks connected to the Apps, the Site and/or the Service, (iii) charge any person, or receive any compensation for, the use of the Apps, the Site and/or the Service, unless you are specifically authorized to do so in a separate written agreement with the Company;

c. Without limiting the foregoing, you agree that you will not (i) charge any person, or receive any compensation, for the use of the Service, or (ii) use the Service in any manner not permitted by the licenses granted herein;

Submitted Content
10.1. Content of Communications. The Company is not the source of, does not verify or endorse and takes no responsibility for the content of communications made using the Service. By using the Service, you agree that any content that you submit may be transmitted to the recipient of your communication. The content of communications is entirely the responsibility of the person from whom such content originated. The content of communications may be protected by intellectual property rights, which are owned by third parties. You are responsible for the content you choose to communicate and access using the Service. In particular, you are responsible for ensuring that you do not submit material that is (i) copyrighted, protected by trade secret or otherwise subject to third party proprietary rights, including privacy and publicity rights, unless you are the owner of such rights or have permission from their rightful owner; (ii) a falsehood or misrepresentation; (iii) unlawful or illegal, defamatory, harmful, abusive, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive that encourages conduct that would be considered a criminal offence; (iv) an advertisement or solicitation of business; or (v) impersonating another person. The Company may in its sole discretion terminate this ToU and disable your account if you use any content that is in breach of these Terms.

goreantx
04-08-2018, 08:14 AM
I just barely got started on ICQ terms and came across:

You agree that you will not upload, post, submit or send any Materials through the ICQ Services or to ICQ that: (1) is offensive, harmful, vulgar, sexually explicit, or unlawful;

JGB2009
04-08-2018, 10:21 AM
Blah I was considering ICQ, Wire, and Discord................now I just don't know...............

goreantx
04-08-2018, 10:31 AM
So my tech hubby explained to me that there is something with the law that is made to stop human trafficking. What it means is that web services are liable for any content that is posted on their service. So no regular web service is going to allow anything pornographic right now because they could get in trouble for human trafficking, just because someone posted a picture using their service.

I think the only thing to do is go to a cam site that processes all the data themselves. I'm trying out Phrendly

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-08-2018, 10:42 AM
So my tech hubby explained to me that there is something with the law that is made to stop human trafficking. What it means is that web services are liable for any content that is posted on their service. So no regular web service is going to allow anything pornographic right now because they could get in trouble for human trafficking, just because someone posted a picture using their service.

I think the only thing to do is go to a cam site that processes all the data themselves. I'm trying out Phrendly

Its called FOSTA Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1865/actions

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220539-Will-this-site-be-illegal-if-FOSTA-passes-today

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220898-Official-petition-to-repeal-FOSTA-SESTA-Please-sign-this

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220779-Anti-Sex-Trafficking-Bill-(Senate-to-vote-on-today)

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220799-Congress-Just-Pulled-CRAIGSLIST-Personals!

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220989-Backpage-finally-out-as-of-today