View Full Version : Indie bill just accused me of escorting for no reason and took my money
loveshooks
05-25-2018, 04:09 PM
@IB please remove her model name from your previous post. you have yet not removed her cam name and that's not within your rights to post.
and also let this community know that you paid her so chicas can trust your site
this is not my section but if that is not removed by 12 pm tomorrow I will ban your account for invasion of privacy and request that the mod for this section to lock your thread
it's really not ok to treat us as performers this way and if I were you I would deeply ashamed of myself.
loveshooks
05-25-2018, 06:24 PM
so are you going to pay her for a completely legit and legal session?
yes or no, no further 'explanations' necessary
loveshooks
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Loveshooks please take a good look at the first word on this Thread, right up the screenshot she posted. "Hi (edit)".
I personally took care to check whether or not she used it due to this prior violation - I am now aware of the rule, thanks.
most welcome. the rule is never out people here you to whom you have have responsibilities on and off sw. live up to them.
apparently some escorts do accept pay via cc. for real this is news to me, in 40 years on this planet I have NEVER encountered an escort who wanted cc payment, as either a friend or as provider. you've already had one IB thread locked for disrespect to the membership here so really not all that shocked by this issue of complete disrespect/ ignoring her posts and emails. you are who you are, you can't hide that long term. no one really can
why are you not speaking with her, why are you not treating her with the respect with which she deserves to be treated? You and your site decided that you are uncomfortable with a $350 payment and instead of talking to her you ignored her, stole her money and cut off communication. Did you ever ever send her proof of the refund for "questionable" $350 online session?
the central question that you have not answered: do you plan to pay IN or will you provide her proof of refund?
moving forward, I hope you realize you need them more than they need you so need to act accordingly.
again, not difficult
Robert De Niro
05-25-2018, 10:43 PM
Escorts use various means to accept deposit. Paypal, google walet, cash app, ccbill etc.
I noticed OP pulled the trans card for sympathy, smh. IB should refund payment to customer & kick OP off the platform, too much money in adult to lose business to escorts.
loveshooks
05-26-2018, 02:21 AM
^^^^sympathy, really? I'd love to hear more about your no doubt extensive history with real life providers to back up your claims </sarcasm>
to be clear there is NO evidence this listee did anything wrong. IB could have asked but chose not to and just cut off contact
again I have never encountered a physical provider who used credit cards for payment
some of these posts make me feel some of y'all have NO idea about our work
back to the issue: IB, you gonna pay this woman?
and are you going to remove her cam name from your prior post? clock is ticking dude.
Erika_Xstacy
05-26-2018, 12:19 PM
aught 1900s, yellow pages, credit cards used but a lot of providers know nothing
about yellow pages era and been trained to not use CC bc men do CB.
ETA:A lot of providers didn't exist back then. not even born
this was a call service I used. She ended up folding and moving back to the west coast. Took our money with her.
I was wondering if the custi got in touch w IL to let her know he was reimbursed?
I have a account with IB and I was a escort.
A. its comforting to know they are watching for activity.
B. it is not comforting that money can be taken away for miscommunication
If there was a ton of charges for 300, question it properly.
If she was announcing on social media that she was open for appointments for details DM but she is not doing those things.
If the tip menu said "meet with me" I would question it
Lets Enter 2018
There are ways to accept credit card payments and get that cash the same day without a % taken away. No paypal, no google wallet, no website.
some girls do but 99% do not.
I've never seen her posting CC and nothing in the "other work" section, all post are about TG and camming.
She is a legit camgirl. Nothing more, nothing less, she is one of us.
There is not enough proof to take her money from her.
I hated to butt in but considering I was a escort and I do get high tips on cam for nothing/300 is nothing on cam.
we dont have to perform. we dont have to talk to them. We simply have to exist.
Investigate before jumping the gun.
Look on social media.
Look into her links.
Escorts obtain clients by advertising. Its not hard.
I dont think she would make a stink on stripperweb as these girls are known for feeding shit pie when they have been led on to believe a lie.
loveshooks
05-26-2018, 04:04 PM
we as a community need a response on how you have resolved this situation with IN. that's on you, had you actually communicated with her she would have not needed to make this issue public
DJ who is the mod for this section removed your unacceptable outing of a cammer who trusted your service. that you couldn't find the time to do so yourself speaks volumes.
as such I will not ban you, but you need to either pay IN or provide proof of refund
email is a wonderful thing, as is communication in any form. do it or you will be banned. this is our community, you need to treat peeps here with the respect they deserve.
we do not tolerate people who steal here.
@IN please update with either news of payment or proof of refund when you have a free moment
KatyBoleyn
05-27-2018, 02:08 PM
We hold funds for security reasons all the time. Models are free to have the funds returned to be paid out some other way than us.
No site is obligated to process a payment its not comfortable processing, just like no cammodel is obligated to do everything their client says. You can always say "Nope" and let the client get a refund.
Like Indiebill, we do reach out to models effected. Sometimes we get good answers, sometimes we get attitude. Its all in a day's work.
We've also had to remove models for accepting escort payments, some of them via taking tokens from certain token sites no less.
Businesses absolutely can't be too careful, especially given the current environment. The fascist anti-porn crusaders are out there and they're watching with one finger on the FBI speed dial.
This thread is scary. As a business, if we don't disclose EXACTLY our security measures and requirements, nor post every refund and return for moderator approval, we could end up in the same boat.
loveshooks
05-27-2018, 04:21 PM
Like Indiebill, we do reach out to models effected. Sometimes we get good answers, sometimes we get attitude. Its all in a day's work.
the point is they did NOT reach out decided to de-prioritize her legit concerns because she didn't reply in a 'correct' manner. We can't change how other people behave, we are absolutely responsible for our own actions independent of that.
In the 4 years i've worked with peeps I have had some friction few, with almost all having an honest convo solved the issue. This is a strategy Gerald by his own admission chose not to pursue. He had and does have agency in how he chooses to deal with people
This thread is scary. As a business, if we don't disclose EXACTLY our security measures and requirements, nor post every refund and return for moderator approval, we could end up in the same boat.
that is absolutely not the case. a site denied payment to a listee and as she hasn't yet responded (so perhaps evidence of either refund or payment has been provided to her, we don't know yet), as per her last post she has had NO proof of refund of payment. I did not expect a site to post private details here, simply asked IN to report whether she received proof of refund or payment. no one here has asked for proof of either to be posted publicly.
I simply do not believe a site should be absolved of theft and lack of communication over 'hurt feelings' based on her understandable anger. While I have declined both of your attempts to work with lcms I do respect your service and do not understand why you are ok with what occurred here.
what you find 'scary' about that baffles me. are we not supposed to protect each other here and demand respect and not be stolen from the sites we work?
I agree with you as to the current US fascist regime but would this not be the time to stick together and stand up for each other?
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-27-2018, 04:30 PM
I just wanted to pop in and point out something about the original IndieBill thread. It wasn't locked because they were rude to other members here on the board. They requested to have it locked so that they could create a second thread that was more up to date with the current business plan at the time. Originally they started out creating websites for free and then decided to get away from that. So to avoid confusion they asked if they could create a new one as long as it linked to the original. I haven't gone back to read through both threads entirely but from what I remember there were never any incidents where they were rude to anyone.
The original thread https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?210552-Your-website-for-free-with-IndieBill-Earn-85-per-sale
Current Thread https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?212891-INDIEBILL-Process-payments-easily-earn-85-without-chargebacks
loveshooks
05-27-2018, 04:35 PM
oh my gawd. that thread WAS locked at some point and apparently has been unlocked, we can pretend otherwise but either way the central issue remains.
since we have different recollections of how the first IB thread ended, in truth legit criticism of this site has been locked and moved out of cc even though it is directly a camming issue. you cannot argue with that. flat out truth
Will IN be provided payment or poof of refund? Why y'all don't care about this is disappointing and makes no sense.
I'd really prefer not to fight and would rather IN have her issue solved. Your politics and alliances should not take priority over that
SylvySinclair
05-27-2018, 04:40 PM
Gerald is on holidays, im sure he will post something when he comes back.
KatyBoleyn
05-27-2018, 04:44 PM
I've been through this thread several times now, I don't find anywhere where Gerald didn't "reach out to the model." It seems very established fact that he did multiple times. She wasn't able to provide what Gerald needed to justify the sale, and she didn't get what she wanted (obviously), but that doesn't mean there was no communication.
Given those exact circumstances outlined, we would have refused the payment also and sent it back. Does that mean she was "guilty"? Not at all. How much risk anyone else running their own business wants to take on, its their business entirely. Nobody should be in the position to dictate how another business handles their security or fraud prevention.
We've worked with a lot of people in this industry throughout the years. Some very good, some very dirty. When you have our model count its easy to see patterns of behavior in how they're treated. I can safely say Indiebill is 100% on the up and up, at least that we've seen.
loveshooks
05-27-2018, 04:44 PM
vacation? lol. hopefully he'll come back refreshed and treat this woman with the respect she deserves.
Nobody should be in the position to dictate how another business handles their security or fraud prevention.
We've worked with a lot of people in this industry throughout the years. Some very good, some very dirty. When you have our model count its easy to see patterns of behavior in how they're treated. I can safely say Indiebill is 100% on the up and up, at least that we've seen.
no one is demanding control over how someone runs their biz. IB just either needs to pay her or provide her personally proof of refund. basic, respectful transparency we should all demand and deserve and again I'm baffled that this concept is not the norm
IndieBill
05-28-2018, 08:08 AM
Oh I'm here, and I ain't refreshed - I'm saddened.
It appears you have decided to go on a little vendetta during the weekend, distorting reality and trying to damage our reputation further.
I would not have understood why if it was not for the several people who reading your reactions on this thread reached out to me through other medium during the weekend to apologise, and point out that we're apparently competitors (and that is most likely the reason why you decide to conduct said vendetta).
I have well received your private message regarding my violation which you seem to be the only one seeing there, considering the model who started this thread posted a screenshot of the communication with IndieBill featuring her IndieBill username, and additionally has said username in every and each of her posts through her signature. How can you out someone who's already sharing said information publicly, this I wonder.
I have well received your advices on communication and professionalism as well, and some of them are valid. However, given that SW indicates 'moderator' under your name here, you're also in a professional context to an extent. As a result, I cannot help but think that maybe you should follow through on your own advices? In the current standing, your behaviours and answers are disgraceful at best and reflect poorly on you and this forum overall.
You seem to think the community stand behind you as a whole, like you're some kind of a leader who can tell me what I have to do for my business for one, and where the people in this community stand / what they should do for two. I have no doubt that a part of this community stands on your side, it may just not be as many people as you think it is.
I personally do not intend for picking up a fight with you, I have no appeal for this kind of social interactions and don't believe in feeding the trolls.
However, as you insist on distorting the truth regarding a few points, I must react and remind everybody that:
- The transactions have not been refunded yet because the model hasn't asked us to refund said transactions. I have contacted her last week again, re-iterating the choices she has (including asking for refunds). We refund any and all transaction that wasn't paid out yet upon request, no argument. We're currently awaiting her answer, ultimately she is the one to choose - not you.
- No proofs whatsoever will be provided here by my company, as this matter is private business communication between us and the model. If she wishes to share proofs of anything that is on her, but we are bound by our privacy policy & personal ethics into not doing this.
- The model started to slander us online before answering our email, not after a prolonged lack of answer from us as you try to imply. She then did not answer said email within the offered options. The slandering was happening in a space out of reach for us until Phatgirldynomite had the nice idea to change this thread to a section where we allowed to answer (thanks !! :) ). She's done more for this issue than you and your frantic way of posting.
- It is true that IndieBill could have been more proactive on her issue even though she was slandering us, that would have been a sound business decision as we wouldn't be in this situation today. However, it did not happen - and that is more the exception than the rule.
- In the current standing, paying out the transactions is not possible for lack of any proofs or other evidences on our side that this was relating to legit business activities. Refunding is always possible at any time and providing proofs is not mandatory whatsoever to have us refund.
- As I can go to jail for processing and paying out 'bad transactions', it goes without saying that we reserve the right to hold earnings at our discretion. This is stated in our terms, and as Katy pointed out: we're not in the business of holding earnings or refunding transactions, this happens quite rarely in fact (in which case we never keep the money for us, we either refund or payout).
- No matter what Loveshooks says (or anyone else really), our actions on this issue will arise out of an answer from the model who is having the issue with us in the first place. There's no bullying us into doing whatever: no amount of violation reports, threats or otherwise damaging our reputation will change how we handle our business operations.
- I, nor my company, have no history of disrespecting sex workers. As I see it, sex workers are people and I don't respect them anymore nor any less for their business activity (though I do personally admire the strength it takes to stand for yourself against societal judgments, and the bunch of morons out there who can't help but voice terrible judgments based on little understanding). Consequently, I treat sex workers as entrepreneurs - some I like doing business with because we're aligned in our ways of dealing, some I don't because I find their ways of doing business unfair. We have former sex workers on our staff.
I was not on vacation by the way, just doing personal stuff on weekend - which I did not think would be an issue as a forum is based on asynchronous communication, a.k.a answering when you have the time - not when someone is having a little power trip.
Now Loveshooks, you are opinionated about what makes for a fair adult business, and - most likely - as a result started your own website paying out 85% so to change things up. I respect this immensely, I even looked up to you and your website while I was starting IndieBill. Please note though that I have never been going around trying to damage your business reputation so to gain more business.
The people who find your way to conduct business better will go and do business with you, the people who prefer IndieBill will go and do business with us, and many will work with us both. If you're not happy about how we run our operations, go and beat us at it - there's no need for acting in this current way.
I hope you're well seated though: today we're competing at 85%, at some point in the future it will be 90%, and in the long-run it will be 95% - which is the percentage we're aiming for regarding direct sales eventually.
Have a great day,
Gérald
loveshooks
05-28-2018, 10:14 AM
vendetta? hardly. I'm a social democrat and do not like monopolies, I want there to be a ton of wicked options out there, as a niche we can't grow and thrive without them.
I took over this thread as my co mod in cc moved it over here and stated she didn't want to deal with it. which is fine, she shouldn't have to do all the work
Standing up for people is something I believe in strongly, so when a woman is not paid it will be an issue until she is, or provided proof of refund. to be extremely clear no one asked you to do that publicly, just that you do one or the other dealing with her directly and privately.
until that happens this will be an issue
IndieBill
05-29-2018, 05:20 AM
As soon as the model who is having this issue gets back to us, her transactions will be refunded if she asks so - paid out if she provides sufficient proof.
I look for her answer everyday and will revert back here once the issue is resolved.
Kind regards,
Gérald
IndieBill
06-18-2018, 08:22 AM
Hello,
We've reached out to the model who had the issue several times in the last 4 weeks, and unfortunately haven't gotten an answer. As a result, we have refunded the sales in question and let the model know about it.
Kind regards,
Gérald