View Full Version : Veterans. Then and now. Changes?
random stripper
09-04-2018, 05:27 PM
^It just sucks tho that the Midwest is actually good because it is one of the least desirable places for me to move to/live being from the west coast and a little spoiled with scenery. I'm not saying all of the Midwest is ugly and boring just the places I've found there to be good money by my standards are rather shitty.
The part of the Midwest I actually fell in love with doesn't seem to be the place to go for a dancer to make money. I could be wrong tho as I didn't work there- was too caught up being a tourist lmao.
Also some of these Midwest states have insane overall taxes like holy shit I was shocked when I dove into the topic some more.
Sorry, threadjack!!!!!
hoosiers
09-04-2018, 09:03 PM
Where in the Midwest were you staying? I've lived in the Midwest most of my life. Also I promise the Midwestern states have WAY lower taxes than all three of the West Coast states.
Mistyxxx
09-04-2018, 10:10 PM
I started back in the very early 2000 a year or two after getting out of high school. One thing that I'm glad that has changed is the quality of boob jobs. When I first started at the age of 20, the veterans of that day who had started back in the early to mid 90s had by today's standard, hideous looking boob jobs. I always thought it looked like they stuff 2 basketballs in their boobs. At least today they look and feel natural. Fortunately for me, being a 34C, I never had to worry about getting a boob job.
Back then, there was no smartphones, no iPods, no YouTube. We actually had to hustle the whole night to keep from getting bored. Nowadays I see all these newbie young girls wasting time on their cell phones. You can't make money when you're cruising on Facebook.
The quality of the club's today is much better. Most of the so-called upscale high-end clubs that I worked at in the early 2000s would just be another run-of-the-mill club by today's standards. There's more clubs today which means more competition which means if you're going to be a successful Club you have to think outside the box and be one step better than the next Club.
Back in the day, other than weed, I don't think other drugs like cocaine or ecstasy, although they were in the clubs, I don't think it was as easy and thought of as no big deal to buy from or sell to a client as it is today. Of course it was going on back then, and you knew it was but by today's standards, it has more of a no-big-deal attitude. More girls are doing it, and they're for the most part they're not as discreet about it and it's easier and viewed as no big deal to either buy or sell to your client. Of course you don't want to get caught by the managers. It just seems like today it has a more nonchalant, no big deal attitude towards it. I've noticed over the years that girls are more and more becoming Maybe a little more care less or just carefree and not worried if other girls see you with it before they can hide it. It just seems like nobody is shocked or even cares if someone has it.
Quality of lingerie and outfits has gotten much better and much more sexy and with the internet, much easier to buy. I look back at old pictures from the early to mid-2000s and I'm almost embarrassed to look at some of the things that at the time were thought of as super sexy. I wouldn't be caught dead in some of that stuff now LOL.
And yeah, Club rules were for the most part more often obeyed back then than they are today. Girls seem to get away with a lot more today then they did back in the day. And a lot of clubs are getting more and more strict with what type of girl they want working there. The club I work at on the north side of Houston requires that you live within a certain distance, you have to be fit and in shape. They're pretty strict on tattoos and how big they are and where they're located.
tempest666
09-04-2018, 10:26 PM
Back in my day the drug du jour was cocaine. Now it's rabid liberal feminism. Which is ironic because most feminists hate strippers and sex workers. But hey whatever floats your boat.
hoosiers
09-05-2018, 07:59 AM
Back in my day the drug du jour was cocaine. Now it's rabid liberal feminism. Which is ironic because most feminists hate strippers and sex workers. But hey whatever floats your boat.
Lmao depends on where you live. Here in Indiana, we Feminist Strippers are few & far between.
lilac666
02-15-2021, 08:44 PM
I'm wondering if anyone thinks there would be any room for old school veterans in this day in age. I guess I mean selling the fantasy, elaborate stage shows and the old school "stripper " look. I assume younger crowds would find it cheesey but I'm assuming the old school older guys appreciate a true "showgirl " or is that market kind of dead? I haven't danced for ten years and haven't kept in touch with my old regulars so I have no idea how the market is. I wonder with all the Covid rules if the focus will bring a resurgence of the show club and air dance or if those days are gone forever .
305gurl
02-19-2021, 10:14 AM
Ah geez... This type of topic always seem to pop up once in a blue moon.
The changes are, to me, the strip club consumers, or customers. It's almost completely change in the last 5 years.
The consumers who supported this industry and made it into a lucrative gig of making quick big cash and to support a luxury lifestyle for us women, are now retired. These consumers were the Baby Boomer generation who grew up with limited amount of entertainment options while benefited from FDR economic policies.
Now, the world has changed. Giving mass population with a greater amount of options with low prices and renewal availability : Internet, video games, free porn, on-demand viewing services etc
lilac666
02-19-2021, 02:14 PM
I do agree with this. The 80s, 90s and before the '08 crash was the prime environment for exotic dancing. The Baby Boomers fueled the industry.
305gurl
02-20-2021, 10:31 AM
Yeah, those times, strip clubs had that mysterious aura from the public's point-of-view. Made men want to come in and have a fun time. Now, it's all open in social media and those then-young guys who were burnt in the 90's, 2000's and early-2010's can now pass their ways-of-error strip club experience online, spreading malcontent to younger generations and potential consumers.
In my middle and high school days, I could remember hearing boys being content of going to strip clubs once they become adults. Now, I just hear teenagers just straight mocking strip-club-going men or the idea of "paying women without getting some."
I've heard back then, strip clubs used to pay dancers hourly like $10/hr. I could be wrong but that would be awesome to have it.
lilac666
02-20-2021, 02:14 PM
Wow, yes I heard of dancers getting paid hourly as well as collecting tips. That was before my time though. I danced from 2002-2011. House Fees were high but the money made you could make made if justifiable. Very interesting how the industry. developed and morphed.
Genoveve
02-20-2021, 02:57 PM
I'm wondering if anyone thinks there would be any room for old school veterans in this day in age. I guess I mean selling the fantasy, elaborate stage shows and the old school "stripper " look. I assume younger crowds would find it cheesey but I'm assuming the old school older guys appreciate a true "showgirl " or is that market kind of dead?
Like the modern burlesque stuff but for the 80s?
lilac666
02-20-2021, 05:31 PM
I don't know , I guess. I'm just trying to anticipate where the industry will go.
xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2021, 08:42 PM
I got sick of having to "over hustle" these idiots back in 2016 when I stopped. It wasn't worth it anymore to me. I mean hell, when I really try & I'm not lazy I make the same amount online than I did dancing without the headache of going into the club also dealing with the asshole mngrs.
Another thing I hated was the whole everyone trying to film everything *eyeroll*
Also how mngrs were starting to become absolute schedule nazis in my last years of dancing, completely disregarding the IC status we had.
jasmine22
02-20-2021, 09:59 PM
I got sick of having to "over hustle" these idiots back in 2016 when I stopped. It wasn't worth it anymore to me. I mean hell, when I really try & I'm not lazy I make the same amount online than I did dancing without the headache of going into the club also dealing with the asshole mngrs.
Another thing I hated was the whole everyone trying to film everything *eyeroll*
Also how mngrs were starting to become absolute schedule nazis in my last years of dancing, completely disregarding the IC status we had.
the best thing about doing online sex work to me is not having a manager! I def made more money in the club and had great nights, but not dealing with asshole mangers and other girls has been a huge stress relief!
moneybags
02-20-2021, 10:32 PM
the best thing about doing online sex work to me is not having a manager! I def made more money in the club and had great nights, but not dealing with asshole mangers and other girls has been a huge stress relief!
same. I miss club money. I don’t miss club drama, or guy trying to kiss and suck on me. Gross! I heard a girl say camming is friendly to older dancers and it so is. Clubs generally are for young folks that wants the strip club experience (they aren’t spending just watching someone else) vs the old guys back in the day where it was for sensual entertainment. I would recommend older girls to cam. Camming is easier on your body. I can’t imagine getting on my knees and crawling around for a dollar...lol. No thanks!
jasmine22
02-20-2021, 10:36 PM
I think veteran dancers know how to entertain and sell conversation better. Having that skill will help you in any other sales job, or any other type of sex work. Learning how to be a more engaging and charming is something I was happy I got out of dancing.
jasmine22
02-20-2021, 10:42 PM
same. I miss club money. I don’t miss club drama, or guy trying to kiss and suck on me. Gross! I heard a girl say camming is friendly to older dancers and it so is. Clubs generally are for young folks that wants the strip club experience (they aren’t spending just watching someone else) vs the old guys back in the day where it was for sensual entertainment. I would recommend older girls to cam. Camming is easier on your body. I can’t imagine getting on my knees and crawling around for a dollar...lol. No thanks!
It was so hard on my body sometimes! And the pressure to drink...that can really wear on your body too.
Yes we have a lot of options now that we didn’t have years ago which is so awesome.
xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2021, 11:25 PM
^ I second the feeling like you have to drink to take the edge off. OMG I was so sick of drinking everynight to overcome my shy/awkwardness so I could hustle. I def don't miss that! I also love that I don;t need or feel self concious about my weight anymore, camming fixed that :) I actually do better at my current weight which would appall most club mngrs if I even tried to get hired *eyeroll*
In the future I might try dancing again if I found a dive that would hire me on spot for a few nights here & there but now? NO way! I wouldn't feel safe anyway due to covid.
indiegirl
02-21-2021, 04:46 AM
^ I second the feeling like you have to drink to take the edge off. OMG I was so sick of drinking everynight to overcome my shy/awkwardness so I could hustle. I def don't miss that! I also love that I don;t need or feel self concious about my weight anymore, camming fixed that :) I actually do better at my current weight which would appall most club mngrs if I even tried to get hired *eyeroll*
In the future I might try dancing again if I found a dive that would hire me on spot for a few nights here & there but now? NO way! I wouldn't feel safe anyway due to covid.
that feeling of having to appease a manager sucks!!! I remember when I got sick of my dirty blonde and went full blonde. They brought a second manager out to discuss it and after I did a dance in the back was told “I don’t think I like the color”
girl I worked at a super strict club and I gained a few pounds one time and texted the manager My face looked red and he made a trip through the dressing room when I arrived to check if I was fine to be on the floor lolll. I was the smallest one there! 5’7” 115 to 119 is not gonna kill anyone. “I like your new booty” Some of these guys!!!
It’s nice not feeling bad about yourself if you gain weight working independently...well sometimes.
lilac666
02-21-2021, 12:22 PM
How about day shift in clubs? I wonder if they would still be profitable for veterans. If I go back to dancing I think I would only do a day shift. I just wonder if older guys still go out in this Covid era.
moneybags
02-21-2021, 02:43 PM
How about day shift in clubs? I wonder if they would still be profitable for veterans. If I go back to dancing I think I would only do a day shift. I just wonder if older guys still go out in this Covid era.
I had a friend that works at a dive bar. She just wears a mask. Obviously she’s making money if she’s going into work. I didn’t ask how much. I think the only way to know for sure is to see for yourself. Is it “worth it” to you is not gonna be the same as “worth it” to me.
The clubs were horrible before the pandemic. I can’t imagine things being better?
lilac666
02-21-2021, 04:24 PM
Oh no, I didn't realize it was horrible before Covid. :( I wonder how clubs will retain dancers if it is a struggle nowadays.
StellaRose
02-21-2021, 06:45 PM
^ Honestly, all you can do is give it a shot and see how you feel. And yes, older guys still do go out, at least as far as I can tell. Idk if that is a club specific thing or what. The summer after shut down #1 is when I built a few regulars during the day at one particular club.
xxxGothBarbie
02-21-2021, 08:00 PM
that feeling of having to appease a manager sucks!!! I remember when I got sick of my dirty blonde and went full blonde. They brought a second manager out to discuss it and after I did a dance in the back was told “I don’t think I like the color”
girl I worked at a super strict club and I gained a few pounds one time and texted the manager My face looked red and he made a trip through the dressing room when I arrived to check if I was fine to be on the floor lolll. I was the smallest one there! 5’7” 115 to 119 is not gonna kill anyone. “I like your new booty” Some of these guys!!!
It’s nice not feeling bad about yourself if you gain weight working independently...well sometimes.
Ya in LA esp but it was also happening in other states as well for me. I did what I wanted anyway LOL which is why I was always a target for them. I don't miss having to stand my grand for my IC status I rightfully had. It was such an awesome feeling when I was stacking dances & VIPS after of course I was deemed "not allowed on stage" at 180lbs LOL
I was one of the only gals there that night leaving with $800 on a Sat night. Managers seemed to have gotten waaaay overy strict about weight these last 10 years or so ugh *eyeroll*
If the dancer is heavier & making $ anyway who gives a fuck?! Let her make that coin, afterall the club is getting a cut anyway. People care way too much about weight.
lilac666
02-21-2021, 08:48 PM
Right, thanks for the info.
arielbriel
02-22-2021, 03:19 PM
Ya in LA esp but it was also happening in other states as well for me. I did what I wanted anyway LOL which is why I was always a target for them. I don't miss having to stand my grand for my IC status I rightfully had. It was such an awesome feeling when I was stacking dances & VIPS after of course I was deemed "not allowed on stage" at 180lbs LOL
I was one of the only gals there that night leaving with $800 on a Sat night. Managers seemed to have gotten waaaay overy strict about weight these last 10 years or so ugh *eyeroll*
If the dancer is heavier & making $ anyway who gives a fuck?! Let her make that coin, afterall the club is getting a cut anyway. People care way too much about weight.
Agreed. I see the girls on the "fat list" - seriously thats what they call it, doing dances /VIPS all night without having to worry about doing stage for a couple dollars and missing out on a VIP! Managers think this is a punishment/deterant. SHit, I wish they'd put me on that list LMAO.
Selina M
02-22-2021, 04:54 PM
Agreed. I see the girls on the "fat list" - seriously thats what they call it, doing dances /VIPS all night without having to worry about doing stage for a couple dollars and missing out on a VIP! Managers think this is a punishment/deterant. SHit, I wish they'd put me on that list LMAO.
We've never had a 'fat list', but at one point they added an appearance clause to contracts and fired anyone who was too heavy except for one girl. She is so fat she waddles but got to stay because she was in VIP all night (doing extras that I saw with my own eyeballs ::)). She is not excused from stages, and when she does go up the rail empties out, but she doesn't give a shit because she's probably just gotten out of a CR.
I get why they don't want to have a roster full of heavy/old/unattractive girls, nobody wants to get the reputation for being THAT club. I can also see the logic of "but she's making the club money". It's a tough spot to be in.
arielbriel
02-22-2021, 05:39 PM
I agree theres a lap for every dancer so I think having one or two "bigger girls" or "much older" girls etc is a good thing.
moneybags
03-02-2021, 04:59 PM
Fat and old are derogatory words. There’s a certain way to be thick and mature and still look sexy and classy without doing extras. I’ve seen young and skinny girls that have no business dancing either.
To be fair, certain clubs have a brand look like Rhino. It’s up to the business what models they want to hire to fit their image.
As women, I don’t think we should be judging one another on a personal level. The most objective assessment as to if one should still be dancing or not is if they can make money.
We’re all trying to survive in a patriarchal, hierarchal, and capitalist society.
arielbriel
03-02-2021, 11:45 PM
I agree 100%. I don’t say that but I’m saying the managers call it that.
indiegirl
03-03-2021, 08:08 AM
Fat and old are derogatory words. There’s a certain way to be thick and mature and still look sexy and classy without doing extras. I’ve seen young and skinny girls that have no business dancing either.
To be fair, certain clubs have a brand look like Rhino. It’s up to the business what models they want to hire to fit their image.
As women, I don’t think we should be judging one another on a personal level. The most objective assessment as to if one should still be dancing or not is if they can make money.
We’re all trying to survive in a patriarchal, hierarchal, and capitalist society.
I think it really depends on customer feedback too. One of my clubs was getting so much crap on yelp for not hiring women of color or thick girls and they started allowing more diversity to work there. Customers were saying everyone was too skinny.
I remember this girl in San Diego who was told she wasn't allowed on stage when I was new to dancing. I felt bad. Flash forward to a few years later when I run up to the DJ pissed off every time they put me on stage "You put me on stage on purpose!!" Like he was punishing me for his own gratification knowing I'd react hahaha.
LionMaiden
07-18-2021, 10:21 PM
I started dancing in 1994,and back then girls used the pole to lean against a bit and that was it lol.A lot of floorwork!No internet,and it was still a very taboo career choice,not like now where everybody and their mama is a stripper and all this sex positivity.Flat asses and big boob jobs😂(bitches be like “OMG does my ass look fat”like it was a bad thing,blame it on the heroin chic 90’s) !The trippiest club I worked at was a peep show inside of a porn store called Champs Arcade in Seattle.They has theme rooms,like a bondage room,a shower room,a nurses office ect.,all behind glass!It was really cool actually.I don’t know why they shut down the peep shows,they are so old school awesome!Market St.Cinema in San Francisco in the dot com era 90’s was off the chain!So much money flowing,and so many types of girls,all shapes,sizes,ages,ethnicities,it was pretty cool(a whole lot of extras going on though).I miss the old days,it seemed there was more variety in the dancers.A shitty thing was back then that a lot of the clubs did not allow dancers to play rap,fucking racist bastards!I was a punk rock chick and didn’t dance to rap anyways,but I never liked that and always stood against it.It is really strange to be dancing at my age,but I look easily 29 in dark lighting so I just roll with it.I am on a break currently,covid changed my life with shutting down my club,sad about that still.I can still dance other places but I am enjoying my hiatus.I have been a dancer for 28 years,anybody who said you will not make money as an older dancer is full of shit.I still kill it financially when I dance.Create your dream and don’t give a fuck what haters think,Rise above!With Love!Xoxo🖤
Vyanka
07-19-2021, 09:22 AM
^ I wished I danced in the taboo era, pre social media.... etc. I got in it during MySpace. Just the start of the shittery. Ugh. Lol.
carmen_b
07-19-2021, 10:45 AM
^ I had 3 very good years 2017-2010.
Those were “ in the old days “ times I guess dancing.
carmen_b
07-19-2021, 10:46 AM
My main complaint about clubs these days is wtf is up with just letting people take phones out at ALL.
I wish we could go back to when dancers had discretion and security didn’t just let people take phones out .
LionMaiden
07-19-2021, 12:12 PM
^ I wished I danced in the taboo era, pre social media.... etc. I got in it during MySpace. Just the start of the shittery. Ugh. Lol.
I honestly think that when services are more”forbidden”and deep in the underground,it is much more profitable.When things are so mainstream and so available,they lose their mystique therefore becoming such a commodity that it loses $ profit.And I haven’t thought about My Space in forever lol:).My best to you!
LionMaiden
07-19-2021, 12:15 PM
You are so right about clubs letting people take their phones out,it is a major privacy invasion.
carmen_b
07-19-2021, 01:46 PM
^Im on one about it lately.
I jumped off stage just a few days ago to grab security and check a phone.
The guy gave me attitude too like I was asking too much !! :(
I was NOT happy.
I think people will assume you won’t jump off / grab a phone. :/
The nice thing is with club lighting it is *very* hard to tell a face .
I have to take like 20 of them ( taking my own when it’s slow ha to get a single good one ).
A phone in a pocket is fine.
A phone OUT isn’t ok!
Check your phone in the lobby area if needed.
If you PAY a dancer for a picture with you ( taken with no one else around such as in a corner ) I’m ok with that but even that is a grey area because one phone out in view makes it seems like to other that taking a photo is ok .
The people onlooking don’t realize the customer already paid extra for that.
I'm just curious too for anyone working in Vegas ..... are there any clubs that are better or worse for this ?
Vyanka
07-19-2021, 05:32 PM
I honestly think that when services are more”forbidden”and deep in the underground,it is much more profitable.When things are so mainstream and so available,they lose their mystique therefore becoming such a commodity that it loses $ profit.And I haven’t thought about My Space in forever lol:).My best to you!
I agree.
Optimist
07-20-2021, 12:24 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl_iInKnVY4/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xuwm32ea6mgy
What do you girls say about this? @Vyanka @optimist
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ7TvpdnGr7/
305gurl
07-20-2021, 10:56 PM
^ I had 3 very good years 2017-2010.
Those were “ in the old days “ times I guess dancing.
2007 - 2010 seems like the turning point of this industry.
Internet connection was basically in every household by the end of the 2000's decade, and gotten way faster midway and shifting away from dial-up modem.
Apple introduced the iPhone in June of 2007 which completely changed the cellphone market. Then others follow by making cheaper smartphones so everyone can have a mini-computer in their palm of their hand.
The entertainment market changed as well as video games became a favorite pastime for many growing boys of the 1980's, 1990's and 2000's. Thus, giving cheaper options for entertainment. Compound that with consumers avoiding to pay for media such as music, movies, print, with the Internet.
Netflix morphed into a streaming service in 2008 after being a mailing-DVD service for a few years.
YouTube got popular by 2007-08, and many computer geeks made YouTube-like formatted porn websites soon afterwards.
I was only a baby stripper during those years not knowingly these changes would disrupt our business in coming years.
chanzep
07-21-2021, 04:35 PM
The phones in clubs thing freaks me out. Older girls have been in every club I worked in banking. I think a curvier girl by stripper standards not normal standards is fine in the club. I worked in one super skinny club and was one of the curvier girls. But by normal standards outside the club I was considered skinny. Its also regional the clubs here have lots of curvier girls but toned with big titts. When I worked on the east coast it was super skinny. I don't think the classic stripper look will ever not be in with guys.
Dance
07-28-2021, 11:54 AM
300% I am NOT a f*cking sex worker!
pinkvelvetxo
07-30-2021, 03:16 AM
I honestly think that when services are more”forbidden”and deep in the underground,it is much more profitable.When things are so mainstream and so available,they lose their mystique therefore becoming such a commodity that it loses $ profit.And I haven’t thought about My Space in forever lol:).My best to you!
100 percent. The strip club became for everyone. Smaller clubs would probably be more profitable now than the big corporate chains. That’s how everything else is going on the world. Guys can act out more perverse fantasies online and with an escort and this is easier to get now.
305gurl
07-30-2021, 08:27 PM
I don't think social media and strip clubs "lost its mystique" is the problem. The problem, as I always thought and say, is the generational shift within the strip club consumer demographic. The men that made and supported this industry, this dancing gig, was the Baby Boomers. We're talking about a generation that grew up in an era where entertainment options were very limited: radio, playing cards, sport cards, prints like comic books and magazines, movie theaters, casinos, lottery, TV, meaning they were conditioned to pay for entertainment especially adult entertainment. Porn films weren't cheap back when they were revelent prior to 2008. As well benefited from FDR policies during the post-WW2 era that continued until the Carter Administration with the introduction of neoliberal policies. Boomers got their education, careers, investments and homes with minor debt. Reason why you hear "Older white males are the ones to aim for" back in the day.
Since the 1980's, we're seeing the effects of the long duration of neoliberal economic policies and free trade policies such as NAFTA. Resulting in increase of cost-of-living, higher education that comes with a huge price tag, stagnant wages to inflation, still no universal healthcare, reduction of public spending, weakening of labor unions and labor laws, lack of career paths. As well, with the introduction of video games as a home entertainment system console in the mid-to-late-1980's and its popularity soared well into the 1990's and 2000's as this activity became the favorite pastime for the growing boys of those times that still playing video games to this day. Then combine that with the Internet as it evolved from a simple web-surfing browser to an endless supply of free and cheap entertainment services. Thus, making men of today less interested in spending at a strip club as the entertainment dollar start to thin out by "renewable" entertainment and outside factors. We're already see the decline of many industries like the cable, casino, lottery, Harley-Davidson motorcycles that are just being held by old consumers and are having a difficult time attracting younger consumers.
Seatortuga
07-31-2021, 02:25 PM
300% I am NOT a f*cking sex worker!
I too, cringe at this and they push it in California A LOT.
LoveyD
07-31-2021, 05:27 PM
Back then we had theme sets. The last time I saw a theme set done was probably 2006.
LoveyD
07-31-2021, 05:38 PM
I started in 1999 and am still dancing here what I have noticed
Back then girls would be upset if they made less than a thousand it would be consider a crappy night. Today it’s more of a struggle getting guys in VIP and if you do they always think they getting something extra cause the last girl they took to VIP did it. Back then guys weren’t as touchy and bouncers were strict about touching today a 20 dollar dance guys are groping and grabbing. Back then there weren’t as many girls now clubs are flooded with dancers and standards for hiring went down seems like clubs care more about collecting more house fees then the quality of what they hire. Back then OTC happened but not as much or as blatant as is now. Lots of girls going above and beyond these days for little money making it harder to make anything substantial unless your willing to offer what they are. Back then the internet and sex sites/porn wasn’t as saturated as it is now especially all the free stuff online makes it harder to sell a fantasy in the club when they can just log on to porn hub and see pretty much everything which desensitizes them. Today there is still money to be made just not as easy as it once was. And yes I’m older but I still get proofed when I go out for drinks and I believe I still make decent money in this industry being a clean dancer because I have been doing it almost 20 years. However what I have been seeing other girls do saddens me greatly , it affects everyone’s money and for 20 dollars really?!?
I agree with so much of this. I started in 2004 and I remember girls would complain if they only made $400 in a 6-hour shift. No touching and rules were enforced because so much heat was already on our club from previous incidents. They had higher standards. You had to look like you worked out and made an effort with your appearance. Now it's like I see girls in the club with no makeup and a Mom-bun.
The money was better and more easily made because rules were strictly enforced.
305gurl
08-01-2021, 08:48 AM
The money was better and more easily made because rules were strictly enforced.
Society was different back then. Boomers were in charge of the economy as the dominant consumer group. But as they got older and ready to retire, meaning they have to start penny-pinch and cut cost, they have to be replace with a new customers - Millennials, Gen-Z, and even some of the Gen-Xers. These customers are very different when in comes with mindset and pocket: they got debt, lack of financial security, facing higher cost-of-living, grown with multiple options for entertainment and as well smarter due to them research information on the Internet. Corporations sees the trend and have to cartered to them. In our industry, the chains shifted the strip club scene into a night club with dancing naked women with promoting themselves as "adult night club." Another example of an industry seeing the trends is Las Vegas; the old society used to gambled at the Strip and everything was subsidized - free parking, $8 gourmet buffet entry, etc. But once the Millennials replace the Boomers, Vegas shifted into night club city, like Miami, because Millennials don't gamble.
neverendingkneebruises
08-09-2021, 09:30 PM
Actually, I find that most of my good customers are older millennials. (29-40) Younger guys are broke and older men are jaded & penny pinching, millennials right now are in that sweet spot where their careers are taking off, they love spending on us & they have money to blow. Could just be my area, but 7/10 times the slightly younger dudes are buying my pricier VIP rooms. I don't think this industry is dying because of the lack of customers willing to spend, because there's plenty of them, as long as there's bodies there's money in my clubs. Not everyone wants to stare at a screen, & credit cards exist! I think it's dying because of greedy/unprofessional management & club stuff. I feel like it's so difficult to find a productive club nowadays (doesn't rape you in tipouts or fees, lets you charge whatever you want for dances/VIP). I give it 10, 20 years tops if club owners & managers don't get their shit together.