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Ladycaxe
01-13-2019, 04:17 AM
My thing is, don't take more from the people who are making you money while you're already saving by not providing benefits or pay even. I mean how selfish and entitled can you be? Do you just set out to treat people like shit, while they're making money for you? It makes them upset, and not loyal-

Have you also heard about exectives who repeatly steal and wreck businesses every few years, and we don't know the effect until years?

And I wonder how much of an uber drivers earnings is given to company to profit off of. 20? 35? 50%?

How much is too much when its like considered cheap or free labor? When you're earning to spend only what profit you make by what is needed working everyday, such as gas, car repair, etc.

It's like getting away with the most, doing the very, very minimum.

yeah I just wonder why, w/ all the money made from alcohol sales in strip clubs, cant they pay their benefit like thru that?
like is it the new law/ government that is at fault or is the strip clubs
...

I guess I haven't technically read over the entire new law /rules or whatever

but why cant they just pay minimum wage, take a percentage, and be done widdit?
why they have to make a 150$ door fee , and take SIXTY percent of dancer $??!!

iono something not making sense, I predict that 1. clubs gonna start getting sued v soon and /or 2. no more nudey bars. cause I mean, they are going to be taking wayyy too much $ from strippers, considering that's the only way to make $. at least w/ alcohol sales, they can make money thru that.


according to the article, strip clubs are going to lose millions of dollars due to the lack of dancers.
so its in the clubs best interests to find a better system..
Cuz from what I've read, none of it sounds beneficial to dancers

Ladycaxe
01-13-2019, 04:19 AM
clubs are going to see that if its not for US DANCERS, they dont have a business.
so they'd better just find a way to make this beneficial for BOTH parties, not just covering their own asses cause they dont want to PAY US our benefits

kirakonstantin
01-13-2019, 01:11 PM
From someone pursuing a degree in economics:

Running a business is not cheap. The electric bill that my club pays in a month is my household budget for 6 months. And that's just the light bill. Payroll, business taxes, food and alcohol, other utilities, advertising, property taxes, mortgage or lease payments... The costs of running a business are ridiculous.

Having employees is extremely expensive. Your payroll tax costs the employer 7.65%. A club with 50 employees working 35 hours per week and making $15 per hour costs a club over $2,000 per week. That's over $100,000 per year, just in federal payroll taxes. California likely has requirements for additional taxes, like unemployment. That could push it up to $150,000 easily. Does anyone here really think that alcohol sales are high enough to absorb an extra $2k or more per week?

That's not taking into account California laws on health insurance. That can easily cost an employer $6-7k per single employee. It's more if the employee has dependants. A club with 50 employees, figuring that they're all costing $6000 per year, will pay $300,000k in health insurance costs.

Assuming that the club makes a profit of $5 off of a shot of Patron (it's probably less, in reality) a club would have to sell 60,000 shots per year or 165 shots per day to cover that cost. Just that cost. They have to sell 57 shots per day to cover the extra payroll taxes.

How much alcohol do these clubs really sell in a week? Has anybody here really paid attention to the average headcount and how many drinks are consumed per person? It's likely not as much as you think.

So, yeah, now that strippers cost clubs a lot of money, they're going to take a lot more of your money to pay for it. Legally, they have the right to take all of a dancers dance money and let her survive on tipped minimum wage and whatever tips she can hustle. Restaurants don't give servers a 60% cut of the food they sell, do they?

The club isn't fucking you over here. The club is likely as frustrated as dancers are, because employees are a pain in the ass and the old way was better for everybody. The government and activists who don't know what they're taking about, but talk anyway, are fucking you over.

yaya_cash
01-13-2019, 02:54 PM
From someone pursuing a degree in economics:

Running a business is not cheap. The electric bill that my club pays in a month is my household budget for 6 months. And that's just the light bill. Payroll, business taxes, food and alcohol, other utilities, advertising, property taxes, mortgage or lease payments... The costs of running a business are ridiculous.

Having employees is extremely expensive. Your payroll tax costs the employer 7.65%. A club with 50 employees working 35 hours per week and making $15 per hour costs a club over $2,000 per week. That's over $100,000 per year, just in federal payroll taxes. California likely has requirements for additional taxes, like unemployment. That could push it up to $150,000 easily. Does anyone here really think that alcohol sales are high enough to absorb an extra $2k or more per week?

That's not taking into account California laws on health insurance. That can easily cost an employer $6-7k per single employee. It's more if the employee has dependants. A club with 50 employees, figuring that they're all costing $6000 per year, will pay $300,000k in health insurance costs.

Assuming that the club makes a profit of $5 off of a shot of Patron (it's probably less, in reality) a club would have to sell 60,000 shots per year or 165 shots per day to cover that cost. Just that cost. They have to sell 57 shots per day to cover the extra payroll taxes.

How much alcohol do these clubs really sell in a week? Has anybody here really paid attention to the average headcount and how many drinks are consumed per person? It's likely not as much as you think.

So, yeah, now that strippers cost clubs a lot of money, they're going to take a lot more of your money to pay for it. Legally, they have the right to take all of a dancers dance money and let her survive on tipped minimum wage and whatever tips she can hustle. Restaurants don't give servers a 60% cut of the food they sell, do they?

The club isn't fucking you over here. The club is likely as frustrated as dancers are, because employees are a pain in the ass and the old way was better for everybody. The government and activists who don't know what they're taking about, but talk anyway, are fucking you over.

Servers receive a minimum wage with tips and aren't suggested to everybody already expecting a quite significant tip and dealing with men who may reveal themselves or rape you and "rules" that implies your an employee.

Entertainers are a so called pain in the was because they're upset they haven't been treated fairly or paid. And they haven't.

Ladycaxe
01-13-2019, 03:31 PM
From someone pursuing a degree in economics:

Running a business is not cheap. The electric bill that my club pays in a month is my household budget for 6 months. And that's just the light bill. Payroll, business taxes, food and alcohol, other utilities, advertising, property taxes, mortgage or lease payments... The costs of running a business are ridiculous.

Having employees is extremely expensive. Your payroll tax costs the employer 7.65%. A club with 50 employees working 35 hours per week and making $15 per hour costs a club over $2,000 per week. That's over $100,000 per year, just in federal payroll taxes. California likely has requirements for additional taxes, like unemployment. That could push it up to $150,000 easily. Does anyone here really think that alcohol sales are high enough to absorb an extra $2k or more per week?

That's not taking into account California laws on health insurance. That can easily cost an employer $6-7k per single employee. It's more if the employee has dependants. A club with 50 employees, figuring that they're all costing $6000 per year, will pay $300,000k in health insurance costs.

Assuming that the club makes a profit of $5 off of a shot of Patron (it's probably less, in reality) a club would have to sell 60,000 shots per year or 165 shots per day to cover that cost. Just that cost. They have to sell 57 shots per day to cover the extra payroll taxes.

How much alcohol do these clubs really sell in a week? Has anybody here really paid attention to the average headcount and how many drinks are consumed per person? It's likely not as much as you think.

So, yeah, now that strippers cost clubs a lot of money, they're going to take a lot more of your money to pay for it. Legally, they have the right to take all of a dancers dance money and let her survive on tipped minimum wage and whatever tips she can hustle. Restaurants don't give servers a 60% cut of the food they sell, do they?

The club isn't fucking you over here. The club is likely as frustrated as dancers are, because employees are a pain in the ass and the old way was better for everybody. The government and activists who don't know what they're taking about, but talk anyway, are fucking you over.

Cool stats, v informative

kirakonstantin
01-13-2019, 03:44 PM
Servers receive a minimum wage with tips and aren't suggested to everybody already expecting a quite significant tip and dealing with men who may reveal themselves or rape you and "rules" that implies your an employee.

Entertainers are a so called pain in the was because they're upset they haven't been treated fairly or paid. And they haven't.

From your posts, I'm not sure you understand what's going on here. Dancers are now minimum wage employees. They get a paycheck and the club takes their first $120-200 to pay for the benefits, taxes and wages the club is now paying them.

Dancers receive a minimum wage with tips now too just like a waitress does. I don't understand what part of your statement is implying about being suggested to everybody. Having to deal with men trying to assault dancers is an occupational hazard. A dancer in California is now legally similar to a Hooters waitress, who deal with harassment and assault while working too.

Employee entertainers are a pain in the ass. Employees in general are a pain in the ass. What you're not understanding is that every employee pays themself somehow. Employees generate income for the company they work for or they don't have a job for much longer. Dancers just have the money taken directly out of their hands. This is the only difference between this and any other employment situation.

I'm not sure what you want here? If you want a paycheck and benefits, you have more of your dance money taken. If you want to keep more of your dance money, you don't get a paycheck. You get to pick one or the other because the idea that you deserve to keep all of your dance money, get a paycheck and get benefits is fantasy land nonsense. No club can afford that. Not even the big ones. And no dancer is worth the tens of thousands of dollars that it will cost.

Dancers get paid. Customers pay us directly and more than a club will, which this thread is proof of. Most dancers don't pay taxes in their full income, which can total 40% with income and employment taxes. We set our own hours (in most clubs anyway,) can choose who we will and won't serve. We take breaks when we want, take vacations without notice and generally come and go as we please. We can get shitfaced drunk, take naps...

How is this unfair? Look in the My Last Shift thread and see how much dancers make in a night. Compare it to your state's minimum wage. Tell me that making 40 hours of minimum wage, untaxed, in 5 hours is SO unfair.

We have it good, ladies. We would probably appreciate it before the entire country forces us to be employees.

yaya_cash
01-13-2019, 07:19 PM
From your posts, I'm not sure you understand what's going on here. Dancers are now minimum wage employees. They get a paycheck and the club takes their first $120-200 to pay for the benefits, taxes and wages the club is now paying them.

Dancers receive a minimum wage with tips now too just like a waitress does. I don't understand what part of your statement is implying about being suggested to everybody. Having to deal with men trying to assault dancers is an occupational hazard. A dancer in California is now legally similar to a Hooters waitress, who deal with harassment and assault while working too.

Employee entertainers are a pain in the ass. Employees in general are a pain in the ass. What you're not understanding is that every employee pays themself somehow. Employees generate income for the company they work for or they don't have a job for much longer. Dancers just have the money taken directly out of their hands. This is the only difference between this and any other employment situation.

I'm not sure what you want here? If you want a paycheck and benefits, you have more of your dance money taken. If you want to keep more of your dance money, you don't get a paycheck. You get to pick one or the other because the idea that you deserve to keep all of your dance money, get a paycheck and get benefits is fantasy land nonsense. No club can afford that. Not even the big ones. And no dancer is worth the tens of thousands of dollars that it will cost.

Dancers get paid. Customers pay us directly and more than a club will, which this thread is proof of. Most dancers don't pay taxes in their full income, which can total 40% with income and employment taxes. We set our own hours (in most clubs anyway,) can choose who we will and won't serve. We take breaks when we want, take vacations without notice and generally come and go as we please. We can get shitfaced drunk, take naps...

How is this unfair? Look in the My Last Shift thread and see how much dancers make in a night. Compare it to your state's minimum wage. Tell me that making 40 hours of minimum wage, untaxed, in 5 hours is SO unfair.

We have it good, ladies. We would probably appreciate it before the entire country forces us to be employees.

Not all so-called independent-contractor entertainers are paid directly from customers. In that case there is a middle-man that takes the payment and a cut. And sometimes the entertainer has to additionally pay taxes before the cash leaves the club, by employees working in the 'cash cage'. Also can you imagine someone reporting you owe taxes from that night when you made zero dollars and you maybe had to pay a housefee coming in? As an independent contractor some entertainers are required to work a minimum of days every week while having to give a vacation notice in-advance. And management and staff will push the entertainers to work the floor without taking a break when they want. And I'm certain there are clubs where you're not allowed to get shitfaced drunk or you will be fired or sent home. Some places you just can't make only 500, the very minimum would be averaging at least 1,000 a night to function with the club system.

kirakonstantin
01-13-2019, 07:53 PM
You're quibbling over details here, while sidestepping the actual issues. Whether or not the club processes payments or uses funny money is irrelavent here. Payroll taxes aren't taken out of those transactions either.

You ignored a large part of my post, focusing on petty rules. This leads me to believe that you don't have much of a position here but... Just in case.

The question is what you're expecting here and what you define as "fair treatment." The question is also whether your demands are reasonable. Without this, you're just complaining and that's pointless. Define it or don't bother.

Expecting a club to pay $10-15k per year per dancer, with no way to recoup those costs is ridiculous. No club can afford that. None. They will all go out if business with $10k+ per year, per dancer in additional expenses with no way to earn the money to pay it. Even the big chains. And that's what's being expected here with the notion that clubs should just take that money out of alcohol sales. It's completely unrealistic.

The tendency for people to act without thinking about the unintended consequences is exactly why legislation like this is passed. Nobody involved in bringing this lawsuit stopped for a second to think about where their paycheck comes from or how a business earns money. As a result, thousands of people are being screwed by losing their IC status.

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

Selina M
01-13-2019, 08:08 PM
How do you know what the club's electric bill and expenditures are?

I can't imagine running some half-assed dark lighting & music for 10 hours a day is really all that expensive. Maaaaybe the A/C and heat would be pricey depending on location & size. They don't generally have to buy food. Liquor margins are abso-fucking-lutely insane especially with light-handed bartenders. God knows they never replace furniture or carpeting. My club pays the entire support staff as tipped employees and then even takes a % from the DJ's tips. They are absolutely making money hand over fist in the current situation.

There has to be a happy medium here where we aren't getting robbed blind every night but also the club isn't going to go out of business paying us. Personally I think it would be fairest to leave us as ICs and simply do away with house fees. I suspect a lot of these lawsuits happen out of frustration at the feeling of everyone in the club having their hand out for the dancers to pay them.... especially in clubs that try to enforce schedules & rules.

ZeroSugarMonster
01-13-2019, 08:21 PM
My thing is, don't take more from the people who are making you money while you're already saving by not providing benefits or pay even. I mean how selfish and entitled can you be? Do you just set out to treat people like shit, while they're making money for you? It makes them upset, and not loyal-

Have you also heard about exectives who repeatly steal and wreck businesses every few years, and we don't know the effect until years?

And I wonder how much of an uber drivers earnings is given to company to profit off of. 20? 35? 50%?

How much is too much when its like considered cheap or free labor? When you're earning to be able to spend only what profit you make by what is needed working everyday, such as gas, car repair, etc.

It's like getting away with the most, doing the very, very minimum.

True dat but it happens in our current economic system all the time. I don't think that what we live in technically classifies as capitalism. It's something else (forget the exact term) where the elite rule the world, basically.

yaya_cash
01-13-2019, 08:33 PM
You're quibbling over details here, while sidestepping the actual issues. Whether or not the club processes payments or uses funny money is irrelavent here. Payroll taxes aren't taken out of those transactions either.

You ignored a large part of my post, focusing on petty rules. This leads me to believe that you don't have much of a position here but... Just in case.

The question is what you're expecting here and what you define as "fair treatment." The question is also whether your demands are reasonable. Without this, you're just complaining and that's pointless. Define it or don't bother.

Expecting a club to pay $10-15k per year per dancer, with no way to recoup those costs is ridiculous. No club can afford that. None. They will all go out if business with $10k+ per year, per dancer in additional expenses with no way to earn the money to pay it. Even the big chains. And that's what's being expected here with the notion that clubs should just take that money out of alcohol sales. It's completely unrealistic.

The tendency for people to act without thinking about the unintended consequences is exactly why legislation like this is passed. Nobody involved in bringing this lawsuit stopped for a second to think about where their paycheck comes from or how a business earns money. As a result, thousands of people are being screwed by losing their IC status.

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

So is it fair for clubs to treat independent contractor entertainers like employees and expect more and more money from the entertainers? And we all know entertainers aren't making a lot more money to cater to the demand, because the customers aren't spending a lot more money. So this starts to be cheap or free labor.

kirakonstantin
01-13-2019, 08:57 PM
I was the defacto manager of a club when I was waitressing and the GM was a drunk and needed help. I've also been privy to conversations about how much a certain club is hemmoraging money and how long it can stay open. I've seen the bills and I've balanced the books.

My argument really only applies to the situation in California and why clubs can't just use alcohol sales to cover the costs. The costs are enormous and they have to get that money somewhere or they'll go under. Now that dancers are employees, they're not really entitled to any of their dance money and, if a club was really out to fuck dancers over, they'd take it all. Because they certainly could do that.

$120 seems to be the average quota for the average California club. $75 goes right back to the dancer in a paycheck. The club pays $5.74 in payroll taxes and probably another $3-4 in California taxes, unemployment insurance etc. Another $5 is going to health insurance premiums. The clubs "profit" is $30. They aren't making a killing here, even with the higher quotas.

The only entity that comes out ahead here is the government, because now they can collect taxes on stripper money.

As far as non California clubs, if a club has policies that suck, don't work there. If the club takes too much in fees, don't work there. We can effectively stand up for ourselves and not work in clubs that screw us, rather than getting the government involved and letting them screw us worse.

kirakonstantin
01-13-2019, 09:04 PM
So is it fair for clubs to treat entertainers like employees and expect more and more money from the entertainers? And we all know entertainers aren't making a lot more money to cater to the demand. So this starts to be cheap or free labor.

I've asked you to define what you believe is fair treatment and you refuse to do so.

Can you please define what you deem to be "fair treatment" in relation to the changes taking place in California so we can have a conversation about it? Vague complaints aren't productive.

Ladycaxe
01-14-2019, 10:50 AM
Anywho........

How many ladies are working in California? How is your club going? How many hours a week can u work? Scheduling? Do you have to pick which days u want to work?

Do u keep all of the stage tips? what about tips received in VIP?

thank u!!

Ladycaxe
02-11-2019, 04:17 PM
welp, it looks like I'm going to give LA another try.
I really just miss home. I'm gonna try to work a couple days a week, possibly like every other week.
anyone have any club suggestions?
I was looking at the new deja vu that serves alcohol in dtla
BUT I remember..maybe a nude club would be good .

jadey23
02-11-2019, 06:03 PM
^^^ The Deja Vu in DTLA is only open evenings, serves alcohol til 1:30ish but stays open til 5am. 2am-5am it’s fully nude. The license is really something it’s the only club in LA that has that alcohol/full nude hybrid thing going on, but it’s pretty slow due to lack of promos and apathetic management, as well as the new switchover for the girls to employee status. There’s money to be made but it’s later in the evenings as it’s more of an after hours spot. Thursdays and Sundays are busier due to an independent promoter who brings his own team of urban dancers known as Versace Dreamz, though other in-house dancers are welcome to work those nights too and try their hand. Call ahead to schedule an audition, the hiring manager isn’t there every day. Make sure to bring your social security card and a valid CA ID/license (if you don’t have one they will turn you away)

Ladycaxe
02-13-2019, 07:03 AM
I just hope there is still an ounce of hope somewhere in california..really wanna work during the summer

indiegirl
02-20-2019, 11:34 PM
I dunno about Cali either ...I’m returning after months from my past club so far dead appearance as shit I dunno. Easier to keep the party at my place and that’s that. But I’m tapped out of ho work for now sooooo yikes.

indiegirl
02-20-2019, 11:35 PM
Sams is busy tho lol but dunno

Ladycaxe
02-24-2019, 04:00 AM
CA exotic dancers go on strike for fair wages


http://www.kxxv.com/story/40014692/ca-exotic-dancers-go-on-strike-for-fair-wages

there will be change!

this was outside crazy girls Hollywood.

Ladycaxe
02-24-2019, 04:02 AM
Exotic Dancers Go On Strike In Hollywood, Receive Support From #MeToo Movement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6U4tZo0p0

Rispy_Girl
02-24-2019, 03:45 PM
From your posts, I'm not sure you understand what's going on here. Dancers are now minimum wage employees. They get a paycheck and the club takes their first $120-200 to pay for the benefits, taxes and wages the club is now paying them.

Dancers receive a minimum wage with tips now too just like a waitress does. I don't understand what part of your statement is implying about being suggested to everybody. Having to deal with men trying to assault dancers is an occupational hazard. A dancer in California is now legally similar to a Hooters waitress, who deal with harassment and assault while working too.

Employee entertainers are a pain in the ass. Employees in general are a pain in the ass. What you're not understanding is that every employee pays themself somehow. Employees generate income for the company they work for or they don't have a job for much longer. Dancers just have the money taken directly out of their hands. This is the only difference between this and any other employment situation.

I'm not sure what you want here? If you want a paycheck and benefits, you have more of your dance money taken. If you want to keep more of your dance money, you don't get a paycheck. You get to pick one or the other because the idea that you deserve to keep all of your dance money, get a paycheck and get benefits is fantasy land nonsense. No club can afford that. Not even the big ones. And no dancer is worth the tens of thousands of dollars that it will cost.

Dancers get paid. Customers pay us directly and more than a club will, which this thread is proof of. Most dancers don't pay taxes in their full income, which can total 40% with income and employment taxes. We set our own hours (in most clubs anyway,) can choose who we will and won't serve. We take breaks when we want, take vacations without notice and generally come and go as we please. We can get shitfaced drunk, take naps...

How is this unfair? Look in the My Last Shift thread and see how much dancers make in a night. Compare it to your state's minimum wage. Tell me that making 40 hours of minimum wage, untaxed, in 5 hours is SO unfair.

We have it good, ladies. We would probably appreciate it before the entire country forces us to be employees.

And you just explained the problem with socialism. Do you want the money paid to you, then you decide what to do with it and whether you want to save, party away, use it for medical bills, etc? Do you want the govt or higher authority to take the money, take a cut to pay the middle men, then pay back to you the amount you "need" according to them and redistribute the rest, so everyone gets some including those that would otherwise be earning nothing plus put some aside for services that could benefit you such as medical?

babb
02-25-2019, 02:30 PM
Do you want the govt or higher authority to take the money, take a cut to pay the middle men, then pay back to you the amount you "need" according to them and redistribute the rest, so everyone gets some including those that would otherwise be earning nothing plus put some aside for services that could benefit you such as medical?

LMFAO that is not socialism.

Socialism is worker owned means of production. This entire thread and situation is a HUGE advertisement for why we NEED socialism. Under socialism, strippers run the clubs and keep 100% of the money our labor generates, as it should be. Socialism has NOTHING to do with government control, socialism is an inherently anti-government movement. Just because an authoritarian government regime calls itself socialist doesn't make it so. Just because the media and gullible people online parrot that socialism doesn't work does not make it so. Socialism has never been tried. Governments call themselves socialist because they know that people ultimately want socialism. The fact is that YOU have bought into anti socialist propaganda without even knowing what you are talking about and you sound ridiculous to everyone who knows better than you.

You say you don't want socialism, but you want to be able to keep the wealth that your labor generates, an inherently socialist ideology?

The next step for Cali employee strippers is to unionize for fair wages and to vote for the farthest left candidates they can. By left, I do not mean liberal, which is center-right, I mean LEFTIST SOCIALIST, anarchist and communist. Why do you think actors in Hollywood get paid any kind of fair wage? They are all in unions. They make so much because the unions make sure they do. Top actors are getting paid more fairly for their labor, as ALL workers should be. THAT is what happens under socialism, not "government took my mony wahhhh".

I HIGHLY suggest ALL dancers educate themselves on what socialism is, and understand that what the media wants you to think socialism is is NOT socialism, it is propaganda meant to keep the system in place and to keep you weak, small, and working for "employers" who take advantage of you and steal your labor.

Sex workers are usually on the forefront of these issues because we understand what it means to live in this society, and it is a shame for me to see such misinformation being spread by women who would know better if they did even the smallest amount of research on actual socialism. You are better than this.

Ladycaxe
02-26-2019, 07:12 AM
w/ awareness being raised, heres my prediction:

if clubs dont stop charging house fees, they gonna get sued and owe alllese dancers back pay :D


I think as time going on, we're seeing that being on payrolls not sooo bad.

but I do think the biggest problem is the house fee/quota thing.
according to what I'm hearing, the fees are illegal.


so yeah. I think things will be alright by the end of the year. :)

kirakonstantin
02-27-2019, 02:03 AM
And you just explained the problem with socialism. Do you want the money paid to you, then you decide what to do with it and whether you want to save, party away, use it for medical bills, etc? Do you want the govt or higher authority to take the money, take a cut to pay the middle men, then pay back to you the amount you "need" according to them and redistribute the rest, so everyone gets some including those that would otherwise be earning nothing plus put some aside for services that could benefit you such as medical?

The first thing I learned in the first economics class I ever took is that socialism is a terrible idea. Command economies are failures and socialist policies destroy economic growth. It's true too. Socialism has been tried. It fails Every. Single. Time.

The situation in California is just another reason why the government needs to be as small as possible. The government sucks at just about everything it gets involved in. It sucks at managing money, taking care of veterans, immigration regulation, election integrity, business regulation, environmental preservation and health care.

Why people want to give more of their money and freedom to a government that proves it's incompetence on a daily basis is beyond me.

305gurl
03-01-2019, 02:38 AM
CA exotic dancers go on strike for fair wages


http://www.kxxv.com/story/40014692/ca-exotic-dancers-go-on-strike-for-fair-wages

there will be change!

this was outside crazy girls Hollywood.

The last thing that California dancers need to do is going on strike. It's just bad publicity as the general population, especially men, already view us as greedy bitches.

305gurl
03-01-2019, 02:56 AM
The Nordic countries: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Faroe islands, are socialist countries. Well, democratic socialist to be specific. And they're doing alright.

The capitalist system works for us as independent contractors. But the system is proven to be a failure as a whole as many Americans, over 60%, are struggling with expenses and living paycheck-to-paycheck. Even around the world.

And the way the country is shifting to the far-left, to our standard, as more and more Americans wanting social programs, like Medicare-4-all and free college-tuition, to be available. The government is going find ways to get more tax to fund these programs. It's only a matter of years before these policies come to an affect.

In the Nordic countries, there isn't much strip clubs. Like in their capital, there's like one club and it's not even popular due to the fact the hook-up culture is so prevelent.

kirakonstantin
03-01-2019, 03:23 PM
The Nordic countries: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Faroe islands, are socialist countries. Well, democratic socialist to be specific. And they're doing alright.

The capitalist system works for us as independent contractors. But the system is proven to be a failure as a whole as many Americans, over 60%, are struggling with expenses and living paycheck-to-paycheck. Even around the world.

And the way the country is shifting to the far-left, to our standard, as more and more Americans wanting social programs, like Medicare-4-all and free college-tuition, to be available. The government is going find ways to get more tax to fund these programs. It's only a matter of years before these policies come to an affect.

In the Nordic countries, there isn't much strip clubs. Like in their capital, there's like one club and it's not even popular due to the fact the hook-up culture is so prevelent.

Nope. Scandinavian countries are not socialist countries. They are not planned economies. They are not command economies.

Here's some discussuon on that:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

Here's a video of the Prime Minister of Denmark refuting your claim: https://youtu.be/r8POYeCQo9c

Scandanavian economies are not doing well. In fact... They're moving further away from welfare states to free market capitalism.

I suggest you educate yourself about what socialism actually is and where it's been implemented. I also suggest you educate yourself about the impacts of socialism on the economy, like what happens when taxes are raised, the total tax receipts for the past 10 years and how much each program you're advocating costs.

I also suggest reading a little bit about Venezuela, a country that actually is socialist, and see how they're doing economically. Last I heard, their people are starving and fleeing to Columbia and there's about to be civil war.

SexyStella
03-01-2019, 04:34 PM
The capital of the Nordic countries? You mean Scandinavia. And I guess you’re referring to Stockholm.
I’m American-Swedish and I’ve worked at many of the “socialist Nordic countries” clubs.
“The capital of the Nordic countries”, Stockholm, have 5 stripclubs. 4 of them gives you no option but employment.
80% goes to the club 20% goes to you. Which the government takes minimum 33% tax from.
You get your pay check once a month. You are not allowed ANY tip. Not $5 not $50, NOTHING.
The manager will search you before you leave.
The 5th one is a day shift which is the only club to make decent money, if you can stand working in a basement full of mold and sewer pipes. No joke. Oh, and being touched with the customers left hand while he’s using his right hand for himself.

Anyways, people bring up Scandinavia as a “great” example all the time. We’re top 10 happiest etc.
What you don’t know is that the housing situation is worse than in NY. We have the longest wait times to go see doctors, get surgery - everything medical. People wait YEARS for surgeries needed ASAP.
Oh, and school is free? Forget that, look up how many 40 year old who’s still paying off their student loans.
On top of that the government decided that people who retire will be taxed higher so that their hard earned retirement money they’ve worked their whole life for (they tax you about 50% off your paycheck, IC or employees, same for both, you have no choice) is now so low people can’t afford to but groceries.
Also they raised the retirement age limit. Trust me, the “socialist Nordic country’s” dream is nothing but a dream.

305gurl
03-02-2019, 12:58 AM
Nope. Scandinavian countries are not socialist countries. They are not planned economies. They are not command economies.

Here's some discussuon on that:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

Here's a video of the Prime Minister of Denmark refuting your claim: https://youtu.be/r8POYeCQo9c

Scandanavian economies are not doing well. In fact... They're moving further away from welfare states to free market capitalism.

I suggest you educate yourself about what socialism actually is and where it's been implemented. I also suggest you educate yourself about the impacts of socialism on the economy, like what happens when taxes are raised, the total tax receipts for the past 10 years and how much each program you're advocating costs.

I also suggest reading a little bit about Venezuela, a country that actually is socialist, and see how they're doing economically. Last I heard, their people are starving and fleeing to Columbia and there's about to be civil war.
Of course they're not a "socialist" countries. They're a social democratic countries with a free market system with strong unions and multiple social policies for their citizens. Always has been for decades now. Yet, people there are okay and might complain a bit but it's better than we have in the US.

On Venezuela, it wasn't much with do to "socialism." You have to understand the recent history of Venezuela. The country had one of the largest oil reserves in the world, and before Hugo Chavez came to power, the country had problems with increasing income equality, increasing inflation, and political corruption. So this Chavez guy won in 1998 with his socialist ideas and got fortunate that the oil price spiked during his presidency. With the profit from the oil, Chavez used the money to subsidize food prices, education programs, and healthcare system, and the general population satisfies. But as the oil prices started to go down and Venezuela was so dependent from the oil exports, Chavez had to rigged the economy by taking out money from the government, which something we're familiar with, to fund the programs and as well help him get re-elected. Doing so, it caused debt and with debt - comes inflation. So, Chavez passed away and this Maduro guy couldn't adjust and inflation and debt kept going up - hyperinflation. I can go on. But you have to understand that Venezuela isn't a socialist country since 70% of its economy is private and over 80% of its workforce comes from the private sector.

The links that you posted didn't say much. It just articles trying to smear that freshman congresswoman like you see in Fox News and even CNN.

Look, as dancers, we're capitalists at heart. Every night, we try to make the most in short period of time. Every guy, we try to milk them out of their pockets, wallet, savings.

And we can all agreed on: we're living way better than the overwhelming majority of Americans. Even when the strip club industry is heading to a decline, we're still living better than the majority. Doing so, it makes us out-of-touch with the real world that many go through.

kirakonstantin
03-02-2019, 10:35 PM
Of course they're not a "socialist" countries. They're a social democratic countries with a free market system with strong unions and multiple social policies for their citizens. Always has been for decades now. Yet, people there are okay and might complain a bit but it's better than we have in the US.

On Venezuela, it wasn't much with do to "socialism." You have to understand the recent history of Venezuela. The country had one of the largest oil reserves in the world, and before Hugo Chavez came to power, the country had problems with increasing income equality, increasing inflation, and political corruption. So this Chavez guy won in 1998 with his socialist ideas and got fortunate that the oil price spiked during his presidency. With the profit from the oil, Chavez used the money to subsidize food prices, education programs, and healthcare system, and the general population satisfies. But as the oil prices started to go down and Venezuela was so dependent from the oil exports, Chavez had to rigged the economy by taking out money from the government, which something we're familiar with, to fund the programs and as well help him get re-elected. Doing so, it caused debt and with debt - comes inflation. So, Chavez passed away and this Maduro guy couldn't adjust and inflation and debt kept going up - hyperinflation. I can go on. But you have to understand that Venezuela isn't a socialist country since 70% of its economy is private and over 80% of its workforce comes from the private sector.

The links that you posted didn't say much. It just articles trying to smear that freshman congresswoman like you see in Fox News and even CNN.

Look, as dancers, we're capitalists at heart. Every night, we try to make the most in short period of time. Every guy, we try to milk them out of their pockets, wallet, savings.

And we can all agreed on: we're living way better than the overwhelming majority of Americans. Even when the strip club industry is heading to a decline, we're still living better than the majority. Doing so, it makes us out-of-touch with the real world that many go through.

There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to start. Please, for the love of all that is holy, take a macroeconomics class. This is seriously some of the most ridiculous nonsense I've heard in a long time.

Also, your posts directly contradict eachother. You might want to think about why that is.

Qadesh
03-05-2019, 12:58 PM
Way to thread jack! She didn’t ask for an economics lesson lol she just wanted to know how the new law effects dancers and some club suggestions! Like seriously, start a new thread if y’all wanna have a debate about socialism vs capitalism.

For the OP: I don’t live in CA anymore but my bff works at a topless club in NoHo and they’re doing the employee thing there and it sounds like it really screwed up dancing to the point that it’s kinda not even worth it anymore. I literally only read this thread because I, too, was looking for club suggestions on places that aren’t complying (the law, as I understand it, only applies to companies that treat independent contractors like employees i.e. requiring schedules etc so I was hoping that some clubs that don’t do that might have a loophole to not have to comply) so I can suggest them to my bestie and maybe know what spots to hit up whenever I visit. Hopefully someone will actually answer your request for club suggestions soon instead of just arguing about what economic system they prefer. Best of luck to you and I hope you get some real answers soon ��

ZeroSugarMonster
03-05-2019, 02:43 PM
Ca was never really a place worth dancing in anyhow from what I keep reading. The good thing is a lot of clubs, at least in la, don't require stage fees and you just forfeit a split of the private dances. Try nyc where they threaten you with the cops if you discuss private dance room prices to deter you from finding out that they take as much as 70% of what they're charging the customers! Maybe wait and see how this employee thing plays out. Maybe it won't be so bad. Yes, there's a lot of freedom with stripping but it's only if you find the right club which doesn't misclassify you.

Ladycaxe
03-07-2019, 07:48 PM
Way to thread jack! She didn’t ask for an economics lesson lol she just wanted to know how the new law effects dancers and some club suggestions! Like seriously, start a new thread if y’all wanna have a debate about socialism vs capitalism.

For the OP: I don’t live in CA anymore but my bff works at a topless club in NoHo and they’re doing the employee thing there and it sounds like it really screwed up dancing to the point that it’s kinda not even worth it anymore. I literally only read this thread because I, too, was looking for club suggestions on places that aren’t complying (the law, as I understand it, only applies to companies that treat independent contractors like employees i.e. requiring schedules etc so I was hoping that some clubs that don’t do that might have a loophole to not have to comply) so I can suggest them to my bestie and maybe know what spots to hit up whenever I visit. Hopefully someone will actually answer your request for club suggestions soon instead of just arguing about what economic system they prefer. Best of luck to you and I hope you get some real answers soon ��


dude fr ! lmao ! where are the moderators!!


yeah lots of girls are saying its not even worth it. and its true, it rally never was even b4 this tbh.

kk446
04-21-2019, 12:05 AM
We are well into April now and almost into May. I’m gonna be moving to California soon and I was wondering what’s it like now since we are very well into the new year? Especially in the Bay Area or LA.

ZeroSugarMonster
04-21-2019, 02:41 AM
I remember when I worked in CA, counting my money on my good nights and remembering that it was 60 % of all earnings minus house fee and how much money I've earned vs how much I took home. Same in nyc, where in some places you forfeit as much as 90% of your hourly dance fee (not including tip) plus $200 house fee plus tip outs. The extra rules suck but I don't see how much is changing in terms of splits which have basically been restructured, apart from being eligible for unemployment, worker's comp and maybe other benefits I'm forgetting. Yeah oh, and the clubs are making cuts. How is that bad? Less competition, more commission-based money. Now, if you evade taxes, get Obamacare for $0/month when you're not qualified (my plans were $125-330/month w/income I declared and I don't make a ton) and just leach off welfare each time you get burnt out, yeah sure, this new system is super bad.

Seatortuga
04-23-2019, 11:05 AM
Yeah, I am definitely seeing that it isn't that it is hard to make money here in LA, it's that these clubs take an obscene cut. I've only tried this one club I'm at so far and going to shop around for something with more sensible fees.

Ladycaxe
04-14-2020, 10:11 PM
......
iono something not making sense, I predict that 1. clubs gonna start getting sued v soon and /or 2. no more nudey bars. cause I mean, they are going to be taking wayyy too much $ from strippers, considering that's the only way to make $. at least w/ alcohol sales, they can make money thru that.


according to the article, strip clubs are going to lose millions of dollars due to the lack of dancers.
so its in the clubs best interests to find a better system..
Cuz from what I've read, none of it sounds beneficial to dancers

i was right lols! from what i hear SR DTLA is getting sued.
also check out instagram.com/thedancerrights ! 0_0