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charlie61
04-20-2021, 09:45 AM
While he doesn’t *have to* easily offer me the 6 days a week ( it wasn’t easy it took another threat to leave ) , I don’t *have to* touch him or give him any attention either.
My relationship may end it this ridiculous stand off . ^^^
:/
Yeah, i know you were planning on really amping up the sex after he conceded the six days, but i think you're left with the resentment that you had to fight so hard to get it. I'm sorry. :(
carmen_b
04-20-2021, 09:52 AM
^ Yes. :(
I have some great options which is wonderful.
I can pretty easily buy a condo here + I have even more housing options.
Yeah ...... where it landed was a place of some pretty serious anger.
This is not a " lets just see what happens " type of situation.
It would really require some work and therapy to unravel.
He asked me something about the next property I'm buying ( I am planning a rental investment here ) . It sounded like he thought I'd live there a few a months . NO ...... I will not. Lol. That is totally out there ( an idea that partners would even live separately after a year ). Does he really NOT see how insulting this is ? Also ..... HOW would the logistics of that work ? He is really planning to watch me struggle and drag furniture down here to live there a few months AND THEN need to take it out of the place?
carmen_b
04-20-2021, 10:04 AM
I think one thing we need to talk about in therapy is that I feel he lacks trust because I didn't have a conventional housing situation.
I lived in the AirBnB's I co-own from March - end of Oct. ! They are part mine and the other owners didn't give a flying fuck about me being there ( we had NO business during covid and it slowly started to come back in November ). As SOON as visitors were coming back ( requiring more than just a couple nights in a hotel a month ) I rented that room in the luxury home with the room mates from Nov. - mid March.
My housing wasn't " free " EVER at any point in the year. The AirBnB's took an initial buy in and serious balls to do it anyway . When we started the first one 12 years ago they were not common like they are now .
I feel like he almost needs to see me demonstrate I can pay for housing on my own which I CAN lol !
It seemed like overkill to sign a lease in Nov. and pay $1200 - $1500 in rent to be someone just 2-3 days a week.
I feel like what I did ( a room rental ) was a good mid - point.
miss.a.p1600
04-20-2021, 01:26 PM
^yeah some men get worried if they think you are struggling financially and need them too much (financially)
Not sure if you’re dude is like that.
In addition to what you mention above I think I remember you saying in therapy it came up that he wasn’t aware how tough it was for you/your business during covid times.
So it could be possible he’s thinking you’re rushing this 6night a week idea because you NEED it not because it’s a natural progression between you two.
carmen_b
04-20-2021, 02:43 PM
^ I 100% DON'T need it.
I've always offered him what I pay anyway ( $500 ) .
Or paid anyhow. He could even take a partial amount of that and use it for utilities , cleaners ( which I found for him ) , pool stuff ..... whatever. His home is nice but he needs things ( like a table and dining chairs not falling apart + a patio set ). I can easily contribute and I've made it clear.
The AirBnB's have the slowest nights on Mon / Tues ( the nights I'd need the most ). We could still have the 5-6 days a week plan and have space and distance from each other.
I also have my cabin ( the property I've described as the " forest one " ) just sitting empty. I could go there ( it's just 5 hours north of where we are ) anytime. It is not an income earning property ( it's literally too quirky to ever consider renting ) .
The fact that he knew me for 10 months and didn't even know I was struggling here and there should show that I didn't take advantage. He didn't even know until we were sitting in Vegas about two months ago . It is definitely something I'd like to address in therapy. I was just looking for normal progression which is why I would have phases where things were smooth ( after any moving forward progress I'd be happy awhile ).
If anything having a traditional relationship has cost me a ton in lost dancing earnings ( which is fine that is how dancing retirement is supposed to look I guess ). I had retired BEFORE covid ( a few weeks before ).
I'm not struggling anymore either. :)
On track with my roughly 1k a week plans and plan to climb up from there.
I think I've just reached a point of epic frustration with him. I think my time is better spent in strip clubs for a bit. He can come find me if he cares to haha or I'll take a phone call if he wants to talk. He has ( for the moment anyway ) killed my desire to nest with him so I just need to get myself together in the next few days.
It is more his unwillingness to brainstorm with me that has me so angry.
He makes 175k a year ( and has bonus possibilites ).
His ex and kid cost him $2600 a month. It's a substantial ding but he isn't fleeced like a lot of divorced guys.
While it's *possible* I could have achieved his love by just being a more willing sex doll I am just exhausted.
I am kind of creeped out lately and see it bordering on emotional abuse ( not there yet but with the capacity to get there if not corrected or we separate ).
I mean ..... dating in covid was not exactly expensive. I'm not sure what I could really have done differently.
Maybe he thinks I'll try to get him to invest in real estate or something lol.
My only upcoming project is my next rental which I financed myself.
He didn't make this kind of money before ( he was making about 40 - 50 k as recent as 7-8 years ago ) so I totally understand being careful. I just have never asked for anything ! I never asked what he made either. I thought he made probably 80-90 when we first started dating. He caught a couple lucky breaks and his career grew exponentially. He also misses his old gig ( he was making like 160k working from home 24-26 hours a week ). When he told me that ( details of his old gig ) I almost spit a drink out. He regrets taking the slightly higher paying ( but 40 hours a week ) one.
( NO QUOTES PLEASE I MAY DELETE MUCH OF THIS )
carmen_b
04-20-2021, 04:17 PM
I don’t know.
Maybe I’m being picky.
5 days is often how much I’m in town anyway. :/
I might just need some pro help sorting this.
charlie61
04-20-2021, 06:46 PM
Yeah, it seems like there's a lot going on. If i were you, I'd see a counselor alone so you can air out some of these 'ugly' / potentially hurtful thoughts and fears so you can approach more constructively in couples counseling. We all have ugly thoughts - it might just be helpful to sort through some of those resentments and whatnot without him present. Does that make sense?
carmen_b
04-21-2021, 08:42 AM
I think it was a misunderstanding !
I thought he had said something about " thinking " about the 6 days v.s. DOING !
We had that conversation 5-6 days ago. We had a plan in motion to give me the stability and less moving around I wanted and bring back the sex haha. Something about his phrasing at the end of the conversation made it seem like he had manipulated the conversation into an unclear answer.
I had been hiding at the AirBnB's for 4 days and then went a town over to try an audition at a club I was curious about.
He wanted to talk but I was over in the other town scouting clubs lol .
I circled last night at his place around 10p.m. and he says is he is 100% ON board with the plan.
I think sometimes a little space and distance can be a powerful thing.
We will try this plan at least ! I think I was paranoid. He said last night he had never taken it off the table.
GlamLifter
04-23-2021, 04:48 AM
Working half day today, going on the Miami trip with PT..
The hardest part was not to come up with a reasonable story to BF, but to put it in a way so he didn’t suggest to come along..I’m not particularly good at lying and I sure don’t like to >:(
carmen_b
04-23-2021, 02:47 PM
Feeling more settled.
Anger leaving. :)
Sex binge last couple days lol.
I appreciate the willingness to try to deal with that “ one big thing “ that kept coming up on repeat for us.
miss.a.p1600
06-28-2021, 06:43 AM
L took me out and showed his friends around town.
First I was pissed cause I had to rush n clean my place for him.
But I’m glad I got to get out, glad he paid like a gentleman, and met some of his friends who he had a good relationship with.
carmen_b
06-30-2021, 07:23 PM
To visit the " adult lifestyle" club we had some really great rules in place.
We set two safe words .
One was to get out of a specific room ( or away from a person ) and another was to get out of the PLACE entirely !
It was a crazy experience. I would say it was overall positive.
I truly can not believe how well run this place was. I wish the same people would run a strip club.
I did not EVER see a phone out at all EVER the entire night for example.
:)
We were the total early birds ( one of the first couples to go in an use a room ).
The rooms have big windows lol which have curtains you can close or leave open. We left them open. :)
We ended up talking to some really nice ladies as well .
I don't remember what we were doing but I remember walking back to the hotel for an outfit change ( OH I think it was to put my purse away I was getting paranoid watching it ).
We have two sessions in the little rooms hahahaha . Our first room session was ROMANTIC . He was STARING at me while making out and we said we loved each other like 2 or 3 times.
I would say the negative side ( just to provide full perspective ) was when my partner was fascinated watching me pole dance and he wanted more .
Well ..... it was an adult club where you pay at the door and no one was paying for this so I didn't want to do that piece for more than 2-3 minutes as a sample for partner haha. It wasn't a full stage set up . People were walking on that floor with street shoes. I wasn't going to do floor work .
Then my mood kind of turned to garbage because we were out late and I got a little lost in feeling like shit just from being tired .
From like 7 - 11 p.m. it was SUCH a blast. Now we know to just leave about 11p.m. for me at places cause I get pissy I guess after 11p.m. being in an adult environment and not cashing in.
We tried something new and lived to tell the tale. :)
He was also SUPER reassuring because I had developed some paranoia about making my " watched " fantasy a reality . I needed extra assurance and tlc making sure it wouldn't impact his feelings towards me. I didn't want to do it if it would negatively impact our future and he was so incredibly sweet.
They had good food too.
carmen_b
07-01-2021, 12:05 PM
^ The entire thing was my idea which probably was a factor in enjoyment haha.
charlie61
07-01-2021, 12:18 PM
^ The entire thing was my idea which probably was a factor in enjoyment haha.
I respect that you're able to enjoy stuff like that! I would totally feel like I'm working without getting paid in that situation.
carmen_b
07-02-2021, 07:45 AM
^ Yeah the first couple hours were fun but beyond that .., kind of meh .
I was really just enjoying my partner but with some eyes on us hahaha.
It won’t be something often for us but I could see us going every few months or so.
If there was a venue for this ( live performance ) while also getting paid I would want that for sure.
Zofia
07-03-2021, 03:34 PM
^ Totally love being watched! ;-)
carmen_b
07-04-2021, 07:10 AM
^ Yup. :)
Ha. I was like " this is only a once every 3-4 months type of thing " .
Partner and I talked pretty extensively and we said about the same ( just on occasion ).
Honestly I'd probably do it again in 6-7 weeks.
I also liked the process of getting all dolled up and knowing we were headed somewhere exciting.
I have the cutest pictures of us now with us looking good and huge naughty smiles in our hotel room before going over there.
miss.a.p1600
07-08-2021, 09:22 AM
My guy friend from TX (the one I posted about a while baCk who calls me from time to time n sent me a lil birthday money last year) posting male thirst traps of himself on a yatch
I admit I am slightly jealous.
*I* should be on a yacht lol!
Well no im serious actually. I’ve only been on a boat a couple times but not a luxury yacht.
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 10:46 AM
Well I guess I will get a small allowance starting today.
I will also end my shit talking of women who get this perk as it would be a little hypocritical if I don't.
I think I mentioned in random it did not come about in the smoothest of ways. :/
We did that Vegas trip and I watched J change a $350 hotel for a couple nights to what I thought was an extra $220 ( so $570 for two nights ). It really struck a nerve with me. I had outright said in the last week " I am extremely stressed about money " a couple times. It was very obvious in that moment it was NOT clicking in. Well long story short I hated that room so much and felt this horrific pressure there . I ended up telling him I was upset about the overspending going on ( in my opinion ) and I wished he would have given me that money instead for bills. The LAST thing I needed was a pricy room .
I can not be the only person who see's the flaws in his logic there ( he watched my business make NO money in July ).
From his perspective he was trying to offer a nice luxury experience . He wasn't trying to cause upset .
But anyway ..... on the way back he offered to give me a few hundred bucks every couple weeks which I am going to graciously accept. I have a lot of anger and sadness that my business isn't " back " . feel like in time it will also get there. My bills are super low ( about $1200 a month ) so this covers about half of what I need and kind of gets me out of that anxiety of feeling like I need a day at the club EVERY week . I can probably reduce my driving to just ONE drive in Aug. and work two club days as a back up if my business doesn't revive somewhat . I feel like it's really good of him and gives me time to focus . He mentioned this being something we would try for " a few months " .
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 11:04 AM
I long for the days when my business would make about 1k a week .
Ahhhhhh
Universe ..... I invite the good times back. Ha.
I don't really want to be successful in proxy to a partner.
I want both parties to be ( individually ) successful.
miss.a.p1600
08-10-2021, 11:26 AM
Well I guess I will get a small allowance starting today.
I will also end my shit talking of women who get this perk as it would be a little hypocritical if I don't.
I think I mentioned in random it did not come about in the smoothest of ways. :/
We did that Vegas trip and I watched J change a $350 hotel for a couple nights to what I thought was an extra $220 ( so $570 for two nights ). It really struck a nerve with me. I had outright said in the last week " I am extremely stressed about money " a couple times. It was very obviously in that moment it was NOT clicking in. Well long story short I hated that room so much and felt this horrific pressure there . I ended up telling him I was upset about the overspending going on ( in my opinion ) and I wished he would have given me that money instead for bills. The LAST thing I needed was a pricy room .
I can not be the only person who see's the flaws in his logic there ( he watched my business make NO money in July ).
From his perspective he was trying to offer a nice luxury experience . He wasn't trying to cause upset .
But anyway ..... on the way back he offered to give me a few hundred bucks every couple weeks which I am going to graciously accept. I have a lot of anger and sadness that my business isn't " back " but I feel like in time it will also get there. My bills are super low ( about $1200 a month ) so this covers about half of what I need and kind of gets me out of that anxiety of feeling like I need a day at the club EVERY week . I can probably reduce my driving to just ONE drive in Aug. and work two club days as a back up if my business doesn't revive somewhat . I feel like it's really good of him and gives me time to focus . Me mentioned this being something we would try for " a few months " .
Yes the flaw is in men's logic......They want you to say "I need YOU big daddy" lol! But they know you'll be realistic n want you to literally say it "I need help with xyz" or "I need money for the bills"
It will go one of two ways. They'll say "no I can't help cause I got blah blah blah to take care of" or "Okay, how much do you need?"
It's like they are clueless most times at many things. And they can see you having a hard time n just assume you got it figure out or will figure it out.
They keep acting clues or not helping........is the stuff that gets them cheated on. Cause plenty of dudes out there that will pay some bills for ya.
I'm at a cross road right now about that. While L is covering 2 bills related to this house (I really want him to cover ALL or most of the bills related to this house like electricities, insurance, maintenance, internet, etc). Granted rent is the largest one but eh a girl wants what a girl wants. N if he expects me to cook, clean, do laundry, entertain his bay bay kids when they come in town, suck n fuck, etc on top of my own work then yeah.........He's gonna have to put up more.
He asked me today "Do you need anything?"
The most vague ass annoy af question that I can't stand someone to ask.
I guess I'll eventually get to my breaking point and just be blunt like you did cause seem men don't take hints very well cause they act clueless most the time.
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 11:56 AM
^ Yeah you might have to outright tell him you’d hoped he would cover all housing costs.
I was honestly surprised . I was talking openly about going through extreme high stress ( I have a small savings but it’s pretty small after 2020 ) and he thought to himself “ yes let’s spend nearly $600 in two days on a hotel “.
miss.a.p1600
08-10-2021, 12:07 PM
^you might have been talking about it (aka giving him hints - which I’ve discovered men don’t take hints well) but it didn’t register until you said it bluntly and directly.
Then he HAD to do it for you cause if he didn’t you’d either cheat on him with a man that would or leave him for a man that would.
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 12:10 PM
^ I wasn’t planning to leave.
I was planning strip club 6-8 days in Aug. which would have been exhausting for me and difficult to coordinate on our schedule.
:/
Hints sure don’t work.
10000000% agreement there.
miss.a.p1600
08-10-2021, 12:10 PM
^ Yeah you might have to outright tell him you’d hoped he would cover all housing costs.
I was honestly surprised . I was talking openly about going through extreme high stress ( I have a small savings but it’s pretty small after 2020 ) and he thought to himself “ yes let’s spend nearly $600 in two days on a hotel “.
Im going to keep riding him to get another promotion or increase his income, help him reduces his expenses, then when we buy a home in about a year the mortgage should be cheaper than renting a home so I may have to wait a bit till I’m certain he can afford to do it before I press him to pay more.
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 12:14 PM
^ Yeah maybe let the move and adjustments settle.
miss.a.p1600
08-10-2021, 12:20 PM
^ Yeah maybe let the move and adjustments settle.
Agreed.
I showed him how to cut his cell phone bill 75% and if I cook then that would probably save him $200/ month or more where he could pay the electricity.
Hopefully if I come with spreadsheets n benefits he’ll listen to me and his natural provider gene will kick in.
carmen_b
08-10-2021, 12:21 PM
^ I cook too to save money.
There are many things pretty easy to make that can save us like $20 a meal ( he would door dash it at $30-$35 but I can make it $15 or so for both of us sometimes even with left overs ).
I don't think he will put any weird time conditions on it. My fear is that he will feel like I " owe " him time 9-5 M-F.
I can't give more than an hour a day in those ranges. I still plan to fight to revive the business.
He seems to be openly helping not putting any weirdness on it but we will see how it settles.
carmen_b
08-12-2021, 07:22 AM
I looked at Venmo and he had sent $420.69 and marked it “ worry reduction “.
Haha And Aw
:)
kimbe
08-16-2021, 01:24 PM
Working half day today, going on the Miami trip with PT..
The hardest part was not to come up with a reasonable story to BF, but to put it in a way so he didn’t suggest to come along..I’m not particularly good at lying and I sure don’t like to >:(
I noticed you got your Pro Card, congratulations!
I'm curious, are you still seeing your pt? ;D
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 11:46 AM
Update : He hasn’t been weird. Just solid and supportive. :)
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 11:48 AM
With the adjustment I plan to only dance one night this month.
I plan to work next Sat.
I feel like weekends are more free of time wasting risk.
Sometimes I don’t feel like I do a good job at the suburban trophy gf thing lol.
I got bored the last few days . I decided to just schedule gym time , yoga, and cooking projects.
I’d love for my business to be busier but I’m trying to embrace this strange time and not fight it tooth and nail.
A business won’t instantly just BE back. It’s been hard to accept.
GlamLifter
08-18-2021, 12:06 PM
I noticed you got your Pro Card, congratulations!
I'm curious, are you still seeing your pt? ;D
Thanks, you! Yes, I got my Pro Card, probably a year later than I should if it hadn’t been for the pandemic. Spring was very busy and I have a full competition season coming up now.
The thing with PT has become a bit more complicated.. Sorry but this will be longer than it should.. OK, first thing that happened was that I was able to negotiate a raise in my payment at work, and not only that, but also get some flexibility in my work schedule. Especially Fridays are difficult when I have a competition in the weekend. Not mentioning what I have to do to get this privileges..
Together with some other factors, the raise gave me significantly better economy. In addition PT did an absolutely great job not only by getting me a sponsor, but he also got a deal on discounted posing bikinis (those are $ 7-800!)
All this made him almost panic because he understood I would loose my motivation for giving him sexual favors, so to speak. So he asked me what he could do to keep it up the way it was, and after some "negotiations" I ended up with not having to pay him at all. Taking into account that I still find him highly attractive, I thought I could live with that for a while. So, basically yes, I’m still seeing him, I give him head, we have fucked a couple of times (for those of you that wonders, but it wasn’t actually that great as I hoped for). He’s most interested in getting head.
Another thing that’s really been an eye opener for me during the last 2-3 months, is that sexual favors seems to be very common and widespread in this business. I have made a lot of new contacts lately traveling around competing, but also when I have gone on several business trips with PT, and heard personally from girls and you hear loads of rumors. Given my own story, I have few reason to doubt most of them are probably true. Maybe I have just been blue eyed but I haven’t actually realized this until recently. Or maybe I’m more attentive and see the signals since I’m into it myself.
I’m also quite sure if there is at least one other girl at the gym seeing PT. A week ago I was there to pick up some stuff I’d left behind the day before, and then this girl (I know her slightly) came out from the back office followed by PT a couple of minutes later, just like we do. PT’s face showed the very familiar satisfied expression. It’s not that it actually is a problem, but I wonder actually how many girls are sucking his dick…
OK, by now, probably most of see me as a whore. And I can tell you, I’m the first one to look at myself that way, I feel it every day! It’s not something I’m proud of, but I don’t take any harm from it either. So, for a while I’m fine with it. And is it actually worse than girls having one night stands every now and then? Idk, but I feel my options are worse.
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 12:31 PM
^ It actually sounds decent !
It seems like you are leveling up and he helped. :)
I think most of us would only judge you if you seemed to be on the losing side of this transaction type thing OR if this was detrimental ( getting feelings hurt )!
It doesn’t surprise me personally that “ favors “ are exchanged. Honestly I have seen it in vanilla life in upscale white collar type jobs as well.
If you continue to enjoy it that is the key.
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 12:39 PM
In reference to what you said One night stands are just free escorting. No benefit to the woman whatsoever ( but that is just one persons opinion ).
I don’t know how we even reached a point in our society where where this is a thing.
Bring relationship offers or money !!!!
GlamLifter
08-18-2021, 12:53 PM
^ It actually sounds decent !
It seems like you are leveling up and he helped. :)
Definitely! He's done way more for me than I could expect!
I think most of us would only judge you if you seemed to be on the losing side of this transaction type thing OR if this was detrimental ( getting feelings hurt )!
Thanks, it makes me feel better when you say that! :)
It doesn’t surprise me personally that “ favors “ are exchanged. Honestly I have seen it in vanilla life in upscale white collar type jobs as well.
I know it happens everywhere, also from personal experience, and it's not necessary a bad thing either. It's the extent of it that's come as bit of shock to me, its like everyone knows, no one cares. I just find it a bit weird in this "me too" time age.
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 01:05 PM
^ People have done favors for their lovers for thousands of years I assume.
This is human nature.
Yeah ... with Me Too though that is having the idea forced on you though !
It’s different.
charlie61
08-18-2021, 01:34 PM
In reference to what you said One night stands are just free escorting. No benefit to the woman whatsoever ( but that is just one persons opinion ).
I don’t know how we even reached a point in our society where where this is a thing.
Bring relationship offers or money !!!!
Respectfully disagree... women can totally benefit from one-night stands without charging for the encounter or trying to make them into relationships. I'm a little perplexed by this "monetize everything" vibe on SW. Sexual encounters aren't "free escorting"...i get that this is a sex-worker board, but i think it's also a really limiting perspective for female sexuality. Getting paid to do something can dramatically change your feelings about an encounter. There's nothing wrong with being paid or "doing it for free."
Hope that doesn't sound like an attack. I know you said it's just your opinion, but i do think it's kind of closed-minded for 2021. To me, it's just as backwards as men saying that they'll only pay for dinner if the woman puts out, because what's in it for him to pay for the meal unless he's compensated for it.
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 01:56 PM
^ It’s a personal take for sure.
Men who are at least up front about things are better but I do think women benefit very little from that type of thing.
In my dating history I’m definitely less upset with the ones who clearly laid out what was going on.
carmen_b
08-18-2021, 02:00 PM
My perspective is admittedly biased because I tend to always think of ONS encounters as being difficult on the woman. I personally have felt major difficulty and upset when a relationship wouldn’t move forward ( but he was willing to offer sex or something sexual ). I know many friends have felt that way too. I don’t personally know many women who are ok with casual intimacy ( without things being upsetting usually on their side ).
charlie61
08-18-2021, 02:23 PM
My perspective is admittedly biased because I tend to always think of ONS encounters as being difficult on the woman. I personally have felt major difficulty and upset when a relationship wouldn’t move forward ( but he was willing to offer sex or something sexual ). I know many friends have felt that way too. I don’t personally know many women who are ok with casual intimacy ( without things being upsetting usually on their side ).
Ah, i hear that. I think my position is probably affected by my complete lack of association between sex and emotional intimacy. I've had some fun ONS with men and women (not full sex, but messing around), and they were very uncomplicated boosts for me - some nice attention, making someone else feel good, feeling desired and wanted, etc.
Thank you for not taking my post the wrong way! I was worried that my tone sounded way harsh.
kimbe
08-20-2021, 12:36 AM
Another thing that’s really been an eye opener for me during the last 2-3 months, is that sexual favors seems to be very common and widespread in this business.
It doesn’t surprise me personally that “ favors “ are exchanged. Honestly I have seen it in vanilla life in upscale white collar type jobs as well.
.
I definitely admit that such things happens quite frequently, but I'm not sure it would be correct to say it exists a culture for acceptance. I'm not so sure it's any worse than in certain other businesses.
Realistically, what's to be expected?! This industry is in general run by men with influence and power. The case couldn’t be more set. Wherever you find men with power and influence, there will favors will be exchanged, it's human nature.
we have fucked a couple of times (for those of you that wonders, but it wasn’t actually that great as I hoped for). He’s most interested in getting head.
That's a bummer! So disappointing, guess that was your initial motivation to make a move on him!?