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slowpoke
03-24-2019, 08:48 AM
I don’t know why but I have a hard time believing they make the full $200 per hour cause they have to payout a certain amount in fees and business expenses and are clients really coming in every hour / half hour?
The hourly rate wouldn't be the same as the net.
slowpoke
04-03-2019, 05:24 PM
Police used fake bomb threat to install cameras in Robert Kraft sex spa case
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/police-used-fake-bomb-threat-to-install-cameras-in-robert-kraft-sex-spa-case/ar-BBVAwNm?ocid=TSHDHP
whirlerz
04-03-2019, 06:51 PM
Police used fake bomb threat to install cameras in Robert Kraft sex spa case
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/police-used-fake-bomb-threat-to-install-cameras-in-robert-kraft-sex-spa-case/ar-BBVAwNm?ocid=TSHDHP
There's another article link in that one, where he's wearing a velvet jogging suit, & a huge gold necklace.
Hilarious!
miss.a.p1600
04-03-2019, 07:01 PM
Police used fake bomb threat to install cameras in Robert Kraft sex spa case
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/police-used-fake-bomb-threat-to-install-cameras-in-robert-kraft-sex-spa-case/ar-BBVAwNm?ocid=TSHDHP
But isn’t law enforcement allowed to use alternative methods of doing a search because if they inform the spa owners of the search the spa owners will destroy evidence
I read somewhere that they would do a search, have the people think they got burglarized, then tell them after the fact that they had done a search.
I’m assuming this type of search (where you don’t notify of the search at that time but after the fact) is risky cause people might say their rights were infringed upon?
SnuffleUffleGrass
04-04-2019, 06:50 AM
This case is a mess.
I'm glad he's fighting it though.
rickdugan
04-04-2019, 07:08 AM
But isn’t law enforcement allowed to use alternative methods of doing a search because if they inform the spa owners of the search the spa owners will destroy evidence
I read somewhere that they would do a search, have the people think they got burglarized, then tell them after the fact that they had done a search.
I’m assuming this type of search (where you don’t notify of the search at that time but after the fact) is risky cause people might say their rights were infringed upon?
Law enforcement doesn't have the inalienable right to catch any crime you do regardless of how minor. All search warrants are measured, in part, against the constitutional protection afforded each of us by 4th amendment against "unreasonable searches and seizures."
So called "sneak and peak" warrants are particularly invasive because they involve ongoing surveillance in private settings. They were originally intended to catch terrorists before they could blow something up, but LE has been abusing them for years, mostly in connection with drug cases. But even still, LE has to have probable cause in order to obtain this type of warrant.
The problem with what happened here is twofold. First, the probable cause provided to justify using "sneak and peak" warrants is looking real shaky. Second, and probably more important, is whether the use of such invasive surveillance involving nude spa customers (some innocent of anything) was "reasonable" in relation to the crimes, which were pedestrian misdemeanors.
I hope Kraft fights this all the way because this goes far beyond catching a guy getting a blowjob. This strikes at the core of our constitutional protections when LE is allowed to conduct private secret surveillance of nickel and dime shit like this. A case like this could go all the way to the Supreme Court and maybe it should.
CFMNH44
04-04-2019, 10:16 AM
Law enforcement doesn't have the inalienable right to catch any crime you do regardless of how minor. All search warrants are measured, in part, against the constitutional protection afforded each of us by 4th amendment against "unreasonable searches and seizures."
So called "sneak and peak" warrants are particularly invasive because they involve ongoing surveillance in private settings. They were originally intended to catch terrorists before they could blow something up, but LE has been abusing them for years, mostly in connection with drug cases. But even still, LE has to have probable cause in order to obtain this type of warrant.
The problem with what happened here is twofold. First, the probable cause provided to justify using "sneak and peak" warrants is looking real shaky. Second, and probably more important, is whether the use of such invasive surveillance involving nude spa customers (some innocent of anything) was "reasonable" in relation to the crimes, which were pedestrian misdemeanors.
I hope Kraft fights this all the way because this goes far beyond catching a guy getting a blowjob. This strikes at the core of our constitutional protections when LE is allowed to conduct private secret surveillance of nickel and dime shit like this. A case like this could go all the way to the Supreme Court and maybe it should.
This^^^ The Department of Homeland Security and the 'Sneak and peek' warrant laws were created after 911 when we as a nation feared another terrorist attack. Many at the time, liberals and conservatives alike, voiced minority opinions that it was a bad law.
Please tell me how Homeland Security is involved in busting massage parlors?! Even if there was trafficking, (Which has yet to be shown that there was any.) How does this play into it? Much much more money is going to international bad actors from the drug trade - even if they thought massages were funding international terrorists.
miss.a.p1600
04-04-2019, 12:58 PM
One reason - Those closet freaks wanted to get paid to watch the live “surveillance” stream
slowpoke
04-04-2019, 01:15 PM
More important: bureaucrats trying to expand their jurisdiction.
jack0177057
04-05-2019, 01:26 PM
I agree. Maybe he gets off with the idea of a cheap sex worker in a seedy run-down filthy place. I'd like to see the prostitute he was with, I bet she is beastly.
He is like Eddie Murphy and Hugh Grant, who picked up ugly cheap street walkers. This must be a fetish some men have. If Eddie wanted a TG, I don't judge him for that, but, he could have found a more attractive and more classy choice. And, if Hugh Grant wanted a black woman, there are MANY gorgeous high-class black escorts to choose from.
I guess he wanted cheap sexual services. I don't get why any guys still go to jack shacks anymore. They're quite well known these days for hiring unlicensed workers, which is already a big enough risk, let alone being notorious for human trafficking activity of foreign women. The problem with rich men is that they tend to think with their wrong head and also assume that money will buy themselves out of trouble, should they find themselves in it, and often it does.
miss.a.p1600
04-05-2019, 04:11 PM
Men often think the pretty women are too unavailable/too stuck up/too frigid or whatever to get down and dirty fulfilling the most carnal sexual pleasures.
Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger- he fucked the ugly ass maid (proof you can’t even hire ugly women to work with your man without risking cheating) and didn’t just fuck her but put a baby in her.
Men don’t care as much about looks as they claim especially not ones with sex addictions or old ass mfs. They just trying to feel youthful and bust as many nuts by any means possible.
Also The average dude p4p is behind closed doors.. it’s not like they’re posing for photos or walking hand in hand in public so using them for arm candy is not as important.
miss.a.p1600
04-12-2019, 04:02 PM
And the sideshow continues
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/basically-pornography-robert-kraft-s-lawyer-argues-against-release-video-n994111
whirlerz
04-14-2019, 08:06 AM
LOL^!
WPB, wonder if he ever visited Rachel's!
I like how he's pictured in suit/tie, like oh so proper!
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 08:21 AM
They have a good point. The only reason to release the video now, is to prejudice the jury pool. Particularly since the prosecution knows the defense is challenging the warrant and wants the video suppressed.
If it is released, the defense might contend the entire prosecution must be dismissed.
whirlerz
04-14-2019, 08:47 AM
They'll need Dramaine to watch his wrinkle ass
yaya_cash
04-14-2019, 08:52 AM
Men often think the pretty women are too unavailable/too stuck up/too frigid or whatever to get down and dirty fulfilling the most carnal sexual pleasures.
Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger- he fucked the ugly ass maid (proof you can’t even hire ugly women to work with your man without risking cheating) and didn’t just fuck her but put a baby in her.
Men don’t care as much about looks as they claim especially not ones with sex addictions or old ass mfs. They just trying to feel youthful and bust as many nuts by any means possible.
Also The average dude p4p is behind closed doors.. it’s not like they’re posing for photos or walking hand in hand in public so using them for arm candy is not as important.
Yeah, it is seen in the strip club.
whirlerz
04-14-2019, 09:51 AM
Y'all know good & well, if this was a woman this thing happened to, she'd already be locked up & fined.
Please.::) FOH, as the farce played on, lol
miss.a.p1600
04-14-2019, 10:50 AM
They have a good point. The only reason to release the video now, is to prejudice the jury pool. Particularly since the prosecution knows the defense is challenging the warrant and wants the video suppressed.
If it is released, the defense might contend the entire prosecution must be dismissed.
Isn’t the jury supposed to be objective or is it just human nature to be prejudiced some situations?
If they are that worried about this film I bet he did some really crazy things beyond the typical hand job
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 10:54 AM
"supposed to be" is the key. Can you throw a skunk in the jury box and tell the jury to ignore it?
miss.a.p1600
04-14-2019, 11:13 AM
So suppressing the video evidence is only possible if the method to obtain the video (with the delayed notice warrant) is not valid?
From what I understand that type of warrant is supposed to be meant to catch t*rrorists but it seems law enforcement is using it to catch drug dealers and bust pr*stitution rings
But didn’t a judge sign off on the warrant before it was put in place?
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sneak-and-peek-warrants/
https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-expands-law-enforcement-sneak-and-peek-warrants
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 12:52 PM
We will have to see if he is successful. If the police made false statements to obtain the warrant, the evidence might be suppressed.
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 12:53 PM
Y'all know good & well, if this was a woman this thing happened to, she'd already be locked up & fined.
Please.::) FOH, as the farce played on, lol
Not necessarily, if the woman was a billionaire.
miss.a.p1600
04-14-2019, 12:54 PM
Delayed notice warrant and Surveillance video from past spa busts
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/sneak-and-peek-warrants-heres-what-it-looks-like-inside-an-illicit-massage-parlor-from-a-detectives-point-of-view
rickdugan
04-14-2019, 12:56 PM
Exactly
He’s trying to say that his “privacy” might be infringed upon.
for strippers there is no expectation of privacy even in VIP rooms so why should he be any different?
It’s not like he was in privacy of his own home he went to a public business broad daylight
He went to a place where there was a reasonable expectation of privacy.
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 01:00 PM
Whether he had a reasonable expectation of privacy is not dependent on whether it was a place of business. Here is a primer on the subject.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katz_v._United_States
miss.a.p1600
04-14-2019, 02:11 PM
The latest shenanigans
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/new-details-emerge-latest-robert-kraft-hearing
eagle2
04-14-2019, 02:24 PM
Men often think the pretty women are too unavailable/too stuck up/too frigid or whatever to get down and dirty fulfilling the most carnal sexual pleasures.
Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger- he fucked the ugly ass maid (proof you can’t even hire ugly women to work with your man without risking cheating) and didn’t just fuck her but put a baby in her.
Men don’t care as much about looks as they claim especially not ones with sex addictions or old ass mfs. They just trying to feel youthful and bust as many nuts by any means possible.
Also The average dude p4p is behind closed doors.. it’s not like they’re posing for photos or walking hand in hand in public so using them for arm candy is not as important.
I don't understand these people. If I was a billionaire, or a very wealthy movie star, I wouldn't be going to Asian massage parlors for sex, or having sex with an unattractive maid.
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 02:30 PM
When the story about Arnold Schwarzenegger came out, my question was "don't they have sheep in California?
slowpoke
04-14-2019, 04:26 PM
FINALLY
Found the motion to suppress. Here is the link:
https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/407/1682/Kraft-motion-to-suppress.pdf
yaya_cash
04-14-2019, 08:30 PM
I don't understand these people. If I was a billionaire, or a very wealthy movie star, I wouldn't be going to Asian massage parlors for sex, or having sex with an unattractive maid.
The latter seems so easy even when you have money, though. Easy and, men get off on desperate, women...
CFMNH44
04-15-2019, 03:03 AM
The latest shenanigans
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/new-details-emerge-latest-robert-kraft-hearing
..."Attorneys for media outlets say redacted versions of the video evidence should be released on public interest grounds..."
Maybe this is really what it is about:
"More than $500K, luxury cars, properties seized in prostitution stings up Florida’s east coast" - Bonus funding for LE budgets, plus get to drive some cool cars...
whirlerz
04-15-2019, 06:08 AM
When the story about Arnold Schwarzenegger came out, my question was "don't they have sheep in California?
YOU are Something Else, Pokey!:rotfl:
slowpoke
04-15-2019, 09:41 AM
..."Attorneys for media outlets say redacted versions of the video evidence should be released on public interest grounds..."
Maybe this is really what it is about:
"More than $500K, luxury cars, properties seized in prostitution stings up Florida’s east coast" - Bonus funding for LE budgets, plus get to drive some cool cars...
Now it begins to make sense, why they would spend so much effort on misdemeanors.
Joed500
04-15-2019, 09:54 AM
Time out. Obviously trafficking is horrible but does anyone here think the girl told him that? How about a sign on the wall saying "all girls here trafficked"?.
Non of the above. The reality is he's an old widowed rich man. And believe it or not, old dudes get lonely and still love ads. His options are either a) marry a 20- something year old who is ONLY in it for his self made fortune.... Or pay for consensual sex (unbeknownst to him through trafficked women).
All in saying is with all the crazy shit going on in this world, is this old dude paying for a bj really our biggest hurdle?. (Again not down playing human trafficking, but lets be real there's zero chance he would have known that).
slowpoke
04-15-2019, 11:20 AM
The reality is this is about the way bureaucracies operate. They seek to grow. They expand their jurisdiction, personnel, and budgets.
Closing down whorehouses is old hat. It has been going on for years. There are local surges of activity around election times and when community activists get upset. The electorate is ambivalent and budgets stagnate. But when they switch from closing whorehouses to SAVING VICTIMS OF SEX TRAFFICING then the budget people cant shortchange this noble cause, which receives BIPARTISAN SUPPORT and THE BUDGET GROWS.
Someone comes up with the idea of forfeitures to offset the cost of law enforcement. Seems a reasonable enough idea. Then the bureaucrats realize they can use law enforcement as a justification for forfeitures, and this can be done without asking taxpayers for more money. So forfeitures don’t just offset costs, they become a TREASURE hunt.
slowpoke
04-15-2019, 11:43 AM
YOU are Something Else, Pokey!:rotfl:
Is there a smiley where I can take a bow?
https://www.smileysapp.com/emojis/taking-a-bow.png
eagle2
04-15-2019, 01:29 PM
Time out. Obviously trafficking is horrible but does anyone here think the girl told him that? How about a sign on the wall saying "all girls here trafficked"?.
Non of the above. The reality is he's an old widowed rich man. And believe it or not, old dudes get lonely and still love ads. His options are either a) marry a 20- something year old who is ONLY in it for his self made fortune.... Or pay for consensual sex (unbeknownst to him through trafficked women).
All in saying is with all the crazy shit going on in this world, is this old dude paying for a bj really our biggest hurdle?. (Again not down playing human trafficking, but lets be real there's zero chance he would have known that).
He has an attractive girlfriend.
https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lander.jpg
miss.a.p1600
04-15-2019, 09:10 PM
^but that viagra sent his sex addiction through the roof.
Either that or prettt young Birtha was just the arm candy but he needed a freak in the sheets. She is not trying to sex up that old man
miss.a.p1600
04-15-2019, 09:14 PM
Time out. Obviously trafficking is horrible but does anyone here think the girl told him that? How about a sign on the wall saying "all girls here trafficked"?.
Non of the above. The reality is he's an old widowed rich man. And believe it or not, old dudes get lonely and still love ads. His options are either a) marry a 20- something year old who is ONLY in it for his self made fortune.... Or pay for consensual sex (unbeknownst to him through trafficked women).
All in saying is with all the crazy shit going on in this world, is this old dude paying for a bj really our biggest hurdle?. (Again not down playing human trafficking, but lets be real there's zero chance he would have known that).
Those are NOT his only options.
He could have:
1. Jacked off
2. Marry someone closer in age, someone who’d really be down for him
3. Channel that energy elsewhere like creating something, exercising, building something
4. Asked his guy friends who do they know that’s a bonafide freak who wants to get down
5. Decrease his viagra dosage
6. Get treatment for his sex addiction
slowpoke
04-16-2019, 11:07 AM
But it looks like he was willing to pay for anything with a pulse.
whirlerz
04-16-2019, 11:42 AM
Those are NOT his only options.
He could have:
1. Jacked off
2. Marry someone closer in age, someone who’d really be down for him
3. Channel that energy elsewhere like creating something, exercising, building something
4. Asked his guy friends who do they know that’s a bonafide freak who wants to get down
5. Decrease his viagra dosage
6. Get treatment for his sex addiction
You go, Ms P!!!
whirlerz
04-16-2019, 12:07 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-filmed-getting-massage-at-florida-spa-files-lawsuit
slowpoke
04-16-2019, 12:42 PM
We don’t know who he is, and more important, Why Did The Story Not Identify His Lawyer? We have to wonder who is funding this litigation.
miss.a.p1600
04-16-2019, 12:55 PM
if they drop the case for Robert Craft then they will have to drop the charges on those other similar case where they put surveillance equipment on spas to catch “pr*stitution” / “trafficking”?
miss.a.p1600
04-16-2019, 12:56 PM
We don’t know who he is, and more important, Why Did The Story Not Identify His Lawyer? We have to wonder who is funding this litigation.
Ambulance chasing attorney willing to take the risk on contingency
rickdugan
04-16-2019, 01:02 PM
Those are NOT his only options.
He could have:
1. Jacked off
2. Marry someone closer in age, someone who’d really be down for him
3. Channel that energy elsewhere like creating something, exercising, building something
4. Asked his guy friends who do they know that’s a bonafide freak who wants to get down
5. Decrease his viagra dosage
6. Get treatment for his sex addiction
Sure. Or maybe he can have one or more of his balls cut off. Or perhaps he could go live with monks somewhere.
Obviously he had choices, but why should he be forced to deny normal human urges? Do you? Does almost anyone? You'd think that someone who purportedly works in the adult entertainment industry would be more understanding of those urges given that they drive the income that she supposedly earns from it.
In this instance, he had zero reason to believe or even contemplate that anyone was being trafficked. And, lo and behold, the police ultimately found no evidence of trafficking, despite no doubt rigorous efforts to dig up anything they could. hence no trafficking charges are being brought against anyone associated with this spa.
rickdugan
04-16-2019, 01:11 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-filmed-getting-massage-at-florida-spa-files-lawsuit
We don’t know who he is, and more important, Why Did The Story Not Identify His Lawyer? We have to wonder who is funding this litigation.
Awesome. Not only do I not care who is funding it, but I hope that others are encouraged to come out and sue too.
As I discussed above, the police do not have unfettered rights to conduct surveillance on us, even if they suspect us of criminal acts. Their use of invasive surveillance has to be proportionate to the severity of the suspected crimes. A bunch of people were recorded naked, and then viewed by countless officers and prosecutors, all so that the police could catch a handful of people in consensual acts, most of which were misdemeanors.
So come one, come all! I hope Kraft fights this all the way to the Supreme Court if need be. I bet the Jupiter police thought that they were very clever in using a "sneak and peak" warrant to catch people having sex and then shame them publicly. Little did they know that they caught a tiger by the tail in the process.
whirlerz
04-16-2019, 01:17 PM
Well, yea. I'm quite sure they (cops) had no idea they were going to catch a big Whale along w/the little fish.
Had this been Joe Average, I'm sure the results would've been different.
miss.a.p1600
04-16-2019, 03:12 PM
Sure. Or maybe he can have one or more of his balls cut off. Or perhaps he could go live with monks somewhere.
Obviously he had choices, but why should he be forced to deny normal human urges? Do you? Does almost anyone? You'd think that someone who purportedly works in the adult entertainment industry would be more understanding of those urges given that they drive the income that she supposedly earns from it.
In this instance, he had zero reason to believe or even contemplate that anyone was being trafficked. And, lo and behold, the police ultimately found no evidence of trafficking, despite no doubt rigorous efforts to dig up anything they could. hence no trafficking charges are being brought against anyone associated with this spa.
So going to an Asian “spa” is the only way to relieve “urges”?
He was still allegedly paying for sex/“pr*stitution” acts which is illegal in every state in the US except some areas of Nevada
You make illegal moves then you best be ready to face the consequences
Plenty of ways to bust a nut legally.
He was not denied of any urges - He had a live in girlfriend for one and a bottle of warm lotion plus two hands if she ever said no. If he wasn’t getting what he needed from her he should have chose another girlfriend.
This has nothing to do with adult industry and understanding but more so holding people accountable for their fuck ups like everyone else. Just because he is billionaire should not mean he is above the law.
What I don’t understand is why wouldn’t he put money towards paying to influence politicians to make what he allegedly paid for legal???
whirlerz
04-16-2019, 03:47 PM
The reality is this is about the way bureaucracies operate. They seek to grow. They expand their jurisdiction, personnel, and budgets.
Closing down whorehouses is old hat. It has been going on for years. There are local surges of activity around election times and when community activists get upset. The electorate is ambivalent and budgets stagnate. But when they switch from closing whorehouses to SAVING VICTIMS OF SEX TRAFFICING then the budget people cant shortchange this noble cause, which receives BIPARTISAN SUPPORT and THE BUDGET GROWS.
Someone comes up with the idea of forfeitures to offset the cost of law enforcement. Seems a reasonable enough idea. Then the bureaucrats realize they can use law enforcement as a justification for forfeitures, and this can be done without asking taxpayers for more money. So forfeitures don’t just offset costs, they become a TREASURE hunt.
Yep.
& You know what's funny to me?
There's a number of these in my area, very low key outwardly..
One was by an educational facility, & had been a topic of the news..
Yet it , & (as far as I'm aware) all the others are still open 24/7.
The one I mentioned above, has an even bigger sign.
It's right near a liquor store too so..