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SnuffleUffleGrass
07-27-2019, 09:08 AM
Jeff Epstein seems to have the standard mental attitude of serial rapists and child molesters- "My needs are the most important. I'm more special than you. People love me and give me what I want because I am smarter than them and they are better off cooperating with me. I'm not a bad person, I have my moments like everyone else...." AD NAUSEUM.

The saying in the Bible goes "Pride goeth before a fall." Epstein is having his fall from grace (again.)

I'm actually stupefied anyone thinks Trump was ever "better than" someone like Epstein. Trump- openly paraded his first wife as a trophy wife before maltreating and divorcing her with an NDA-type legal agreement, he treated his second wife like a grown child, and (Heaven help her) Melania managed to land on his coat tails right when his idle wish of getting elected President could actually come true...as it did.... From all accounts she wasn't a malicious minded person when they got together, she just seemed to realize marrying him was a great move for her in the long-term. (BTW Howard Stern's interview with her is pretty illuminating. Howard Stern infuriates people like no other, but he gets truthful and forthcoming statements out of people. (Which is something protected by the First Amendment.)

If you think Jeff Epstein is the Big Bad Boogeyman, well you're right, but there's so many people LIKE him, and so many people around him who look the other way.

eagle2
07-27-2019, 09:57 AM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Don't kid yourself, Trump was right in there with the others, as the video evidence clearly shows. And also, don't forget Trump was the one putting on Teenage Beauty Pageants. No doubt he was only doing it to HELP all those 14-15 year old girls. ;D

Maybe help them get dressed. He walked into the girl's dressing room at his Miss Teen USA pageant where some of the girls were changing their clothes.
https://nypost.com/2016/10/12/former-teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-barged-into-their-dressing-room/

and of course he did it at the Miss USA pageant too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/former-miss-arizona-trump-just-came-strolling-right-in-on-naked-contestants/

SnuffleUffleGrass
07-27-2019, 10:08 AM
Maybe help them get dressed. He walked into the girl's dressing room at his Miss Teen USA pageant where some of the girls were changing their clothes.
https://nypost.com/2016/10/12/former-teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-barged-into-their-dressing-room/

and of course he did it at the Miss USA pageant too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/former-miss-arizona-trump-just-came-strolling-right-in-on-naked-contestants/

LOL yep, most sexual predators try to be "helpful" in order to gain access to people …..even if they're "helping" themselves to people who can't fight back or don't understand what is being done to them....

miss.a.p1600
07-27-2019, 11:26 AM
LOL yep, most sexual predators try to be "helpful" in order to gain access to people …..even if they're "helping" themselves to people who can't fight back or don't understand what is being done to them....

That plus just like a typical narcissistic tendency creepazoid he probably thought since he was running the event he had a right to go wherever he wanted including private areas like dressing rooms or bathrooms

I bet money he took doors off theses areas just so he could bombard his nosy entitled self in these areas and not be sued

SnuffleUffleGrass
07-27-2019, 12:17 PM
That plus just like a typical narcissistic tendency creepazoid he probably thought since he was running the event he had a right to go wherever he wanted including private areas like dressing rooms or bathrooms

I bet money he took doors off theses areas just so he could bombard his nosy entitled self in these areas and not be sued

I have a pet theory that he wanted to try to experience the thrill of being a pimp-like figure and so started doing "bad pimp"-like shit. Wasn't one of his grandfathers the owner of brothel many years ago?

The sick part of all of this is extremely wealthy sexual deviants just get scarier in their sexual conquests. The vast majority of men who consume extreme niche BDSM p0rnography can afford to acquire it discreetly and dispose of it quickly.

Ask any longtime low level sex worker. Often the most abusive clients are the most entitled, aggressive and deviant in preferences....

miss.a.p1600
07-27-2019, 08:54 PM
Yes!!! Reminded me of a pimp

Almost like how strip club managers be walking in on the dancers changing n nude

Like are you really that pressed to see nudity?

But damn makes it worse these allegations are from underage teens

SnuffleUffleGrass
07-28-2019, 05:53 AM
Yes!!! Reminded me of a pimp

Almost like how strip club managers be walking in on the dancers changing n nude

Like word are you really that pressed to see nudity?

But damn makes it worse these allegations are from underage teens

It wasn't even 100 years ago that getting raped by a guy meant that a GIRL was expected to either marry her rapist OR find another guy to marry because her "saleablity" as a young woman was ruined. (Remember kids, marriages were always intended to be "aboveboard" business transactions, NOT done out of romantic love.)

Pedophiles and rapists are everywhere. Nowadays we have "Sex Offender Lists" online and neighbors will warn you about "the creepy guy down the street." Trump is what polite people would call a "garden variety rapist." Just very typical in his habits and Modus Oprandi…...

slowpoke
07-28-2019, 03:51 PM
Yes!!! Reminded me of a pimp

Almost like how strip club managers be walking in on the dancers changing n nude





Goobefore.me used to have strip club cams online, including dressing room cams. Some of the dressing rooms almost seemed passageways and male employees passed though all the time and no one paid any attention.

One has to wonder how long someone must work in an environment before he begins to ignore a room full of beautiful naked women.

whirlerz
07-30-2019, 04:33 PM
Great, but lengthy article in NYorker..talks about Alan Dershowitz, lawyer who worked w/OJ, Tyson, etc & knew Epstein, who also has accusations against him..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

The movie "Reversal of Fortune" was about him defending Claus Von Bulow, accused of giving his wife too much insulin, causing her to lapse into a permanent coma.
VB was acquitted.

slowpoke
07-30-2019, 05:06 PM
Alan Morton Dershowitz (/ˈdɜːrʃəwɪts/; born September 1, 1938) is an American lawyer and academic. He is a scholar of United States constitutional law and criminal law[1][2] and a noted civil libertarian.[1][3] He began his teaching career at Harvard Law School where, in 1967, at the age of 28, he became the youngest full professor of law in its history. He held the Felix Frankfurter professorship there from 1993[4] until his retirement in December 2013,[5] and has been a regular media contributor, political commentator, and legal analyst. He is also a prominent voice on the Arab–Israeli conflict and has written a number of books on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

eagle2
07-30-2019, 05:46 PM
He's also an asshole who abused his first wife, divorced her, and took the children. She ended up killing herself. There are also allegations that one of Epstein's accusers was forced to have sex with him.

JDD
08-10-2019, 06:25 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684

WendiStarr
08-10-2019, 06:34 AM
I'm angry that he committed suicide, just as I predicted he would. He deserved to rot in jail for his disgusting crimes instead.

baer45
08-10-2019, 07:20 AM
Trump and Bill Clinton ordered the hit.
He's on 24/7 suicide watch...so go figure.

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-10-2019, 08:06 AM
Trump and Bill Clinton ordered the hit.
He's on 24/7 suicide watch...so go figure.

lol the reddit jokes about how this suicide watch failed are hilariousssssss

Side note though- it's common enough for older offenders to kill themselves in custody or get poison smuggled to them- even in death they are flaunting the middle finger at society. IMO he was whacked, but no one will get punished.

baer45
08-10-2019, 08:23 AM
lol the reddit jokes about how this suicide watch failed are hilariousssssss

Side note though- it's common enough for older offenders to kill themselves in custody or get poison smuggled to them- even in death they are flaunting the middle finger at society. IMO he was whacked, but no one will get punished.

Suicide watch... make sure the knot was tied correctly.

JessaJade
08-10-2019, 09:49 AM
What a relief for a lot of people he had incriminating info on...

whirlerz
08-10-2019, 10:00 AM
I just got an email about it..
Surprised but not shocked

Raziel
08-10-2019, 10:58 AM
IMO he was whacked, but no one will get punished.

Yeah, there's a LOT of really powerful people gonna sleep a lot easier when they get to bed tonight.

Luckyguy09
08-10-2019, 11:17 AM
For decades there has been rumors of people in high levels of government involved in and participating in pedofile rings. Then when any kind of investigation gets underway people start dropping like flies and the investigation loses traction or it stops.

In the UK in 1999 investigative reporter Jill Dando who was also the presenter of the BBC programme Crimewatch was supposedly starting to investigate a pedofile ring in high levels of government as well as famous entertainers and in 1999 during the height of her career and soon to be married she's shot in the head and killed in front of her own home by an unknown assailant who has never been found.

eagle2
08-10-2019, 11:52 AM
What a relief for a lot of people he had incriminating info on...

I'm sure there are still plenty of documents and computer records, as well as many witnesses.

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-10-2019, 12:12 PM
For decades there has been rumors of people in high levels of government involved in and participating in pedofile rings. Then when any kind of investigation gets underway people start dropping like flies and the investigation loses traction or it stops.

In the UK in 1999 investigative reporter Jill Dando who was also the presenter of the BBC programme Crimewatch was supposedly starting to investigate a pedofile ring in high levels of government as well as famous entertainers and in 1999 during the height of her career and soon to be married she's shot in the head and killed in front of her own home by an unknown assailant who has never been found.

I thought of her today but could not recall her name right away …..yeah that was a very awful situation. & Obviously a hit.

Slight threadjack but worth mentioning- HBO did a movie on how Soviet Russia dealt with an infamous child killer, it's called "Citizen X." Very well done. Starring Donald Sutherland and Steven Rea. I mention it because all over the world different cultures have unspoken understandings about how these cases play out. & I hate saying it but through human history power and wealth is the easiest way to get away with anything. (The true historical events that "Game Of Thrones" is loosely based on would make you faint, but it all really happened.)

Who needs to create fiction when reality is so awful.....

eagle2
08-10-2019, 01:24 PM
Trump and Bill Clinton ordered the hit.
He's on 24/7 suicide watch...so go figure.


NBC News: Jeffrey Epstein was not currently on suicide watch when he was found in his cell this morning.

He was, however, housed in his own cell without other inmates.

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1160206996173414402

eagle2
08-10-2019, 01:31 PM
A letter from Sen. Ben Sasse to A.G. Barr:

https://i.imgur.com/cGzRZoB.jpg

slowpoke
08-10-2019, 01:37 PM
NBC News: Jeffrey Epstein was not currently on suicide watch when he was found in his cell this morning.

He was, however, housed in his own cell without other inmates.

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1160206996173414402

"Other inmates" being a euphemism for witnesses.

eagle2
08-10-2019, 03:58 PM
Epstein's death may make things worse for any of his friends involved in criminal activities.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/epsteins-friends-just-lost-any-chance-of-having-penthouse-evidence-tossed-by-courts-heres-why/

slowpoke
08-10-2019, 05:03 PM
That is one prosecutors way of looking at it. On the other hand if there were only one way to interpert the law, there would be only one lawyer.


Operation of the Rule: Standing

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Annotations

Operation of the Rule: Standing.—The Court for a long period followed a rule of “standing” by which it determined whether a party was the appropriate person to move to suppress allegedly illegal evidence. Akin to Article III justiciability principles, which emphasize that one may ordinarily contest only those government actions that harm him, the standing principle in Fourth Amendment cases “require[d] of one who seeks to challenge the legality of a search as the basis for suppressing relevant evidence that he allege, and if the allegation be disputed that he establish, that he himself was the victim of an invasion of privacy.”519 Subsequently, the Court departed from the concept of standing to telescope the inquiry into one inquiry rather than two. Finding that standing served no useful analytical purpose, the Court has held that the issue of exclusion is to be determined solely upon a resolution of the substantive question whether the claimant’s Fourth Amendment rights have been violated. “We can think of no decided cases of this Court that would have come out differently had we concluded . . . that the type of standing requirement . . . reaffirmed today is more properly subsumed under substantive Fourth Amendment doctrine. Rigorous application of the principle that the rights secured by this Amendment are personal, in place of a notion of ‘standing,’ will produce no additional situations in which evidence must be excluded. The inquiry under either approach is the same.”520 One must therefore show that “the disputed search and seizure has infringed an interest of the defendant which the Fourth Amendment was designed to protect.”521

The Katz reasonable expectation of privacy rationale has now displaced property-ownership concepts that previously might have supported either standing to suppress or the establishment of an interest that has been invaded. Thus, it is no longer sufficient to allege possession or ownership of seized goods to establish the interest, if a justifiable expectation of privacy of the defendant was not violated in the seizure.522 Also, it is no longer sufficient that one merely be lawfully on the premises in order to be able to object to an illegal search; rather, one must show some legitimate interest in the premises that the search invaded.523 The same illegal search might, therefore, invade the rights of one person and not of another.524 Again, the effect of the application of the privacy rationale has been to narrow considerably the number of people who can complain of an unconstitutional search.

519 Jones v. United States, 362 U.S. 257, 261 (1960). That is, the movant must show that he was “a victim of search or seizure, one against whom the search was directed, as distinguished from one who claims prejudice only through the use of evidence gathered as a consequence of search or seizure directed at someone else.” Id. See Alderman v. United States, 394 U.S. 165, 174 (1969).

520 Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U.S. 128, 139 (1978).

521 439 U.S. at 140.

522 Previously, when ownership or possession was the issue, such as a charge of possessing contraband, the Court accorded “automatic standing” to one on the basis, first, that to require him to assert ownership or possession at the suppression hearing would be to cause him to incriminate himself with testimony that could later be used against him, and, second, that the government could not simultaneously assert that defendant was in possession of the items and deny that it had invaded his interests. Jones v. United States, 362 U.S. 257, 261–65 (1960). See also United States v. Jeffers, 342 U.S. 48 (1951). In Simmons v. United States, 390 U.S. 377 (1968), however, the Court held inadmissible at the subsequent trial admissions made in suppression hearings. When it then held that possession alone was insufficient to give a defendant the interest to move to suppress, because he must show that the search itself invaded his interest, the second consideration was mooted as well, and thus the “automatic standing” rule was overturned. United States v. Salvucci, 448 U.S. 83 (1980) (stolen checks found in illegal search of apartment of the mother of the defendant, in which he had no interest; defendant could not move to suppress on the basis of the illegal search); Rawlings v. Kentucky, 448 U.S. 98 (1980) (drugs belonging to defendant discovered in illegal search of friend’s purse, in which he had no privacy interest; admission of ownership insufficient to enable him to move to suppress).

523 Rakas v. Illinois, 439 U.S. 128 (1978) (passengers in automobile had no privacy interest in interior of the car; could not object to illegal search). United States v. Padilla, 508 U.S. 77 (1993) (only persons whose privacy or property interests are violated may object to a search on Fourth Amendment grounds; exerting control and oversight over property by virtue of participation in a criminal conspiracy does not alone establish such interests). Jones v. United States, 362 U.S. 257 (1960), had established the rule that anyone legitimately on the premises could object; the rationale was discarded but the result in Jones was maintained because he was there with permission, he had his own key, his luggage was there, he had the right to exclude and therefore a legitimate expectation of privacy. Similarly maintained were the results in United States v. Jeffers, 342 U.S. 48 (1951) (hotel room rented by defendant’s aunts to which he had a key and permission to store things); Mancusi v. DeForte, 392 U.S. 364 (1968) (defendant shared office with several others; though he had no reasonable expectation of absolute privacy, he could reasonably expect to be intruded on only by other occupants and not by police).

524 E.g., Rawlings v. Kentucky, 448 U.S. 98 (1980) (fearing imminent police search, defendant deposited drugs in companion’s purse where they were discovered in course of illegal search; defendant had no legitimate expectation of privacy in her purse, so that his Fourth Amendment rights were not violated, although hers were).

https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-04/36-operation-of-the-rule-standing.html


Remmeber how the prosecutors were prancing around braying about what they were going to do to the guy who owns a football team.

Bahuba
08-10-2019, 07:27 PM
^^I would have thought that, legally, there is now no one with standing to challenge the admissibility of any evidence obtained in searches of Epstein's properties. Since the estate is not a criminal defendant, and since search and seizure rights can only be invoked by defendants, wouldn't it follow that prosecutors or civil advocates can secure the evidence and use it to go after enablers? Not a lawyer of course, but what stands in their way?

miss.a.p1600
08-10-2019, 09:23 PM
So this trick offed himself?!?

Wow! What a coward.

Welp, Good riddens!

JessaJade
08-11-2019, 02:54 AM
There'll probably be a couple of sacrificial scapegoats but as for his very high-profile associates, they will go unscathed, as usual.

Bahuba
08-11-2019, 09:18 AM
There'll probably be a couple of sacrificial scapegoats but as for his very high-profile associates, they will go unscathed, as usual.

I really hope not but it seems like this might be the case

whirlerz
08-11-2019, 09:43 AM
https://www.vox.com/2019/8/10/20800195/clintonbodycount-conspiracy-theory-jeffrey-epstein

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-new-york-case-against-jeffrey-epstein-is-going-forward_n_5d4f177ee4b0fd2733f12b2b

baer45
08-11-2019, 11:43 AM
well, next time when you want to point a finger at Russia or China, you know we are not better.

eagle2
08-11-2019, 07:59 PM
I think Epstein's death may turn out to be the beginning, not the end.

eagle2
08-12-2019, 01:16 PM
A dozen FBI agents raid Jeffrey Epstein's 'Pedophile Island', pulling up to his Caribbean getaway in speedboats and roaming the grounds in golf carts, two days after pervert billionaire's suicide.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7349729/Dozen-FBI-agents-raid-Jeffrey-Epsteins-Pedophile-Island.html

whirlerz
08-12-2019, 03:22 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7350415/Jeffrey-Epstein-hanging-jail-cell-bed-sheet-wrapped-neck.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed

Snips:

Convicted pedophile was found hanging in his cell at 6:30am on Saturday
It was reported Sunday night that Epstein had been left alone in his cell for hours
The inmate scheduled to move in with him was mysteriously transferred Friday
There is reportedly no video because cameras do not point into inmate's cells
And he had been taken off suicide watch by the time of his death, sparking anger
The former financier was found hanging in his prison cell on Saturday morning
'If he killed himself someone had to have helped him,' one source said
A second source added: 'There’s no way that man could have killed himsel

JDD
08-18-2019, 08:53 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/epstein-allowed-buy-small-women-131043360.html

miss.a.p1600
08-18-2019, 09:10 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/epstein-allowed-buy-small-women-131043360.html

I’m baffled as to why they are calling them “small women’s underwear” which turned out to be underwear that don’t fit the average woman.

Then they should be called what they are - girls underwear

This just shows how fucked up the justice system is and skewed towards acquiescing to rich people men specifically

They allowed his bitch ass to continue doing deviant sex acts in jail/buy girls panties and allowed him to take the easy coward bitch way out/kill himself

JDD
08-18-2019, 03:04 PM
I’m baffled as to why they are calling them “small women’s underwear” which turned out to be underwear that don’t fit the average woman.

Then they should be called what they are - girls underwear

This just shows how fucked up the justice system is and skewed towards acquiescing to rich people men specifically

They allowed his bitch ass to continue doing deviant sex acts in jail/buy girls panties and allowed him to take the easy coward bitch way out/kill himself

Agreed....

Bahuba
08-18-2019, 05:36 PM
I’m baffled as to why they are calling them “small women’s underwear” which turned out to be underwear that don’t fit the average woman.

Then they should be called what they are - girls underwear

This just shows how fucked up the justice system is and skewed towards acquiescing to rich people men specifically

They allowed his bitch ass to continue doing deviant sex acts in jail/buy girls panties and allowed him to take the easy coward bitch way out/kill himself

This times 100. Underage women? They are girls. Small women? Girls. Why don't they want to call him what he was, a disgusting pedophile

Vyanka
08-18-2019, 06:46 PM
I’m baffled as to why they are calling them “small women’s underwear” which turned out to be underwear that don’t fit the average woman.

Then they should be called what they are - girls underwear

This just shows how fucked up the justice system is and skewed towards acquiescing to rich people men specifically

They allowed his bitch ass to continue doing deviant sex acts in jail/buy girls panties and allowed him to take the easy coward bitch way out/kill himself

That's what I'm saying. Makes me fucking sick.