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GracieBlue
01-16-2020, 07:38 PM
Yep they didn't attach it! Im submitting it next week. I just want to work in peace this weekend.
I got two PDF attachments. The first one just states what types of documentation you can submit for your I-9 form (passport, or a combo of driver's license plus birth certificate or SS card, for example.)

The second one is the Performer Terms of Service Agreement which looks pretty similar to Streamate's Performer Code of Conduct, other than new language about CalGems (not Streamate) being our employer, and a bunch of legalese.

caramelcraze
01-16-2020, 10:07 PM
A lot of states are considering it. I don't mean to bring politics into this but I would say if you're really worried, stay out of blue states, as red states are way less likely to implement laws like this.

It's also possible that none of that will matter if we get a democratic president in the next election, which may lead to AB-5 being a baseline for federal law. This is why we need the webcamming industry to get a specific exemption as opposed to just trying to dodge it by moving elsewhere.

While an exemption would be ideal, idk if I see it happening immediately and I’m just not willing to take a hit earnings wise. Oh well, Texas has been calling my name for a few years. Maybe I’ll vacation there and find a nice spot to move to.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-17-2020, 09:29 AM
A lot of states are considering it. I don't mean to bring politics into this but I would say if you're really worried, stay out of blue states, as red states are way less likely to implement laws like this.

It's also possible that none of that will matter if we get a democratic president in the next election, which may lead to AB-5 being a baseline for federal law. This is why we need the webcamming industry to get a specific exemption as opposed to just trying to dodge it by moving elsewhere.

You definitely shouldn't bring politics into this especially since it really doesn't matter if its a Blue, Red or Purple state regarding sexworkers and how we conduct business. Currently there are 16 different states who have declared porn a public health hazard. They're only resolutions at the moment but this is how it starts. Amendments don't just appear over night. They require time, coordination and cooperation from different groups. Right now the 16 states are: Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia. Mostly red states.

Arizona was the last state to pass a resolution that could become baseline for federal law if the support continues to grow and our current administration continues to stuff the federal court system with conservative judges. Judges who are also propped up by evangelicals and their tax exempted mega churches. If someone wants to move to a certain state because they like it there, then cool. But not because they're trying to avoid a political party. They have all used us to prop up their agendas and then move on once they obtain more exposure. I will stop here for now.

anonamiss
01-17-2020, 01:35 PM
You definitely shouldn't bring politics into this especially since it really doesn't matter if its a Blue, Red or Purple state regarding sexworkers and how we conduct business. Currently there are 16 different states who have declared porn a public health hazard. They're only resolutions at the moment but this is how it starts. Amendments don't just appear over night. They require time, coordination and cooperation from different groups. Right now the 16 states are: Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia. Mostly red states.

Arizona was the last state to pass a resolution that could become baseline for federal law if the support continues to grow and our current administration continues to stuff the federal court system with conservative judges. Judges who are also propped up by evangelicals and their tax exempted mega churches. If someone wants to move to a certain state because they like it there, then cool. But not because they're trying to avoid a political party. They have all used us to prop up their agendas and then move on once they obtain more exposure. I will stop here for now.

Fair enough. I'm aware that red states are obviously more anti-porn in general. But I was responding to someone considering moving because of AB-5. Solo camming from home is pretty low key and I just don't see the "porn as a public health hazard" issue being as much of a specific imminent threat to cammodels as that of new ABC tests getting implemented in other states, hence my comment.

I'm sorry if I broke any rules by mentioning politics. I will stop now.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-17-2020, 06:08 PM
I'm sorry if I broke any rules by mentioning politics. I will stop now.

It's okay. I know it may be tempting to go there but it's just not a good idea. Thank you.

GracieBlue
01-21-2020, 11:10 PM
Any updates? I finally just got my attachments that I need to sign and turn in.! I'm curious once you turn in your ID etc. When do they make that switch finally to CalGems?

anonamiss
01-22-2020, 10:32 PM
Any updates? I finally just got my attachments that I need to sign and turn in.! I'm curious once you turn in your ID etc. When do they make that switch finally to CalGems?

they basically told me that "as soon" as I submit my paperwork and it is processed, I will be an employee.

so i figure, okay. . . why wouldn't I wait til the last minute to continue keeping a higher percentage as a contractor? particularly during this contest/bonus week.

it would make more sense if they said "your paperwork is due on X day, and your official start date is Y" -- in a way that applies to everyone. but of course they couldn't make it simple like that.

side note -- i also asked about clarification between part time vs full time, and if anyone is required to work a certain amount of hours for any reason. like someone else here reported, they just said "it's up to you to work the hours you want." that still seems sketchy AF to me, but i'm not trying to be full time with benefits, so at this point I don't think there is anything for me to worry about. but if you're someone who opted for full time and expect benefits particularly under AB-5, honestly i would be wary of the way they are going about this. it sounds like you could potentially work "full time" on some weeks, and just not work at all other weeks, so i don't understand how anyone would be eligible for vacation time, sick days, other benefits, with that kind of schedule.

GracieBlue
01-22-2020, 10:56 PM
Thanks for the update! I feel like everyone got the same benefits for full-time or not. It seems like everyone was talking about the life insurance and mental health insurance but I'm kind of thinking that the mental health insurance is just like a hotline to call LOL. So did you end up submitting the paperwork yet? I was going to do mine tomorrow. Totally agree on getting the higher percentage to the last possible minute.
they basically told me that "as soon" as I submit my paperwork and it is processed, I will be an employee.

so i figure, okay. . . why wouldn't I wait til the last minute to continue keeping a higher percentage as a contractor? particularly during this contest/bonus week.

it would make more sense if they said "your paperwork is due on X day, and your official start date is Y" -- in a way that applies to everyone. but of course they couldn't make it simple like that.

side note -- i also asked about clarification between part time vs full time, and if anyone is required to work a certain amount of hours for any reason. like someone else here reported, they just said "it's up to you to work the hours you want." that still seems sketchy AF to me, but i'm not trying to be full time with benefits, so at this point I don't think there is anything for me to worry about. but if you're someone who opted for full time and expect benefits particularly under AB-5, honestly i would be wary of the way they are going about this. it sounds like you could potentially work "full time" on some weeks, and just not work at all other weeks, so i don't understand how anyone would be eligible for vacation time, sick days, other benefits, with that kind of schedule.

Sersay
01-23-2020, 01:16 AM
Did you guys received 1099 for 2019? I think last year I got it by the end of the 1st week of new year but this time I still have nothing

anonamiss
01-23-2020, 02:02 PM
Did you guys received 1099 for 2019? I think last year I got it by the end of the 1st week of new year but this time I still have nothing

I don't remember when I got mine last year, but I had my taxes done by early February. I haven't gotten any 1099s from any companies yet this year, though they aren't required to send them out until January 31st.

anonamiss
01-23-2020, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the update! I feel like everyone got the same benefits for full-time or not. It seems like everyone was talking about the life insurance and mental health insurance but I'm kind of thinking that the mental health insurance is just like a hotline to call LOL. So did you end up submitting the paperwork yet? I was going to do mine tomorrow. Totally agree on getting the higher percentage to the last possible minute.

I have not submitted the paperwork yet. The deadline says the 28th, I will probably do it this Saturday or Sunday.

MadisonBenz
01-24-2020, 09:44 AM
Sooooo my Dashboard is up on RE’s site.....but Cal Gems says I will be getting a time sheet soon?

GracieBlue
01-24-2020, 03:30 PM
Interesting! I V wouldn't worry too much about time sheets etc. From what i've been told as long as you're making above minimum-wage it sounds like you're OK. I also think that SM just wants to have some sort of accountability in case someone complains. Or they ever get checked into. Do you know if you are officially in the system for CalGems? Like has your commission rate changed?
Sooooo my Dashboard is up on RE’s site.....but Cal Gems says I will be getting a time sheet soon?

GracieBlue
01-24-2020, 03:30 PM
I think I'll do the same! :)
I have not submitted the paperwork yet. The deadline says the 28th, I will probably do it this Saturday or Sunday.

anonamiss
01-24-2020, 07:59 PM
Sooooo my Dashboard is up on RE’s site.....but Cal Gems says I will be getting a time sheet soon?

did you send in all of your new paperwork they asked for? like the I9 stuff?

BadBitch
01-24-2020, 08:03 PM
I have model friends who don't live in Cali and their SM accounts got closed today. This happen to anyone else?

anonamiss
01-24-2020, 08:16 PM
I have model friends who don't live in Cali and their SM accounts got closed today. This happen to anyone else?

did they get emails or any notification that specifically mentioned AB5?

if not I doubt its related... unless they live in Massachussetts where a similar bill was passed.

xxxGothBarbie
01-24-2020, 08:16 PM
I have model friends who don't live in Cali and their SM accounts got closed today. This happen to anyone else?

Tho I'm not a resident there anymore either for a couple years now, my name was on the list they sent to BM in Dec in regards to the change in Jan. Guess i need to email SM & ask why. My account wasn't closed thankfully bc my IS is not CA.

BadBitch
01-24-2020, 08:24 PM
Yes. They received emails about the AB5 and about the third-party co. The emails were reminders that their accounts would be closed if they did not follow up with the co. My friends don't live in Cali, MA or NJ.
did they get emails or any notification that specifically mentioned AB5?

if not I doubt its related... unless they live in Massachussetts where a similar bill was passed.

Seatortuga
01-24-2020, 08:37 PM
I'd like to warn you cam girls that a federal bill has been introduced to make AB5 Nationwide. HR2474, you can read it here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2474/text

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-24-2020, 08:49 PM
Yes. They received emails about the AB5 and about the third-party co. The emails were reminders that their accounts would be closed if they did not follow up with the co. My friends don't live in Cali, MA or NJ.

What states do they live in and are they members of this board? Are they willing to share their experiences firsthand? I ask these questions because not stating the full story can cause even more anxiety. Please let people know what's going on exactly.

GracieBlue
01-24-2020, 08:50 PM
Oh wow! That's awful! That happened to me last month! I would contact Liz, support was useless. Did they get an email with a reason? Mine said CA state blocked.
I have model friends who don't live in Cali and their SM accounts got closed today. This happen to anyone else?

BadBitch
01-24-2020, 08:51 PM
They reached out to both Liz and support. Hopefully, someone will get back to them.

Why did they shut your account down?


Oh wow! That's awful! That happened to me last month! I would contact Liz, support was useless. Did they get an email with a reason? Mine said CA state blocked.

GracieBlue
01-24-2020, 09:23 PM
Right before Christmas I had updated my ID to California. I guess it just triggered the system. But I got an email from support saying that my state was blocked. I think at that point anyone that submitted a California ID was just getting blocked but luckily Liz opened it back up for me and sorted it out.
They reached out to both Liz and support. Hopefully, someone will get back to them.

Why did they shut your account down?

xxxGothBarbie
01-24-2020, 10:36 PM
I'd like to warn you cam girls that a federal bill has been introduced to make AB5 Nationwide. HR2474, you can read it here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2474/text

I'm not worried anymore since they exempted truckers as of 2 weeks ago & uber, lyft are also suing over this bill. If anything it'll get rewritten otherwise tons of ppl will be suing until it gets discarded.

Erika_Xstacy
01-25-2020, 10:35 AM
I'm not worried anymore since they exempted truckers as of 2 weeks ago & uber, lyft are also suing over this bill. If anything it'll get rewritten otherwise tons of ppl will be suing until it gets discarded.

I agree with this totally but We still need to call/write/meet bc obviously dumbases don’t take ppl livelihood into account

Blovely
01-25-2020, 03:16 PM
I don't think they'll get away with passing this on a nationwide level. There are alot of independent contractors/self-employed people. Most do not want to be considered employees that's why they became IC/SE in the first dam place. I don't think most IC/SE people are aware of this bill, I think if they were we'd hear and see more of an uproar. The govt should be going after Uber, Lyft and similar companies not the whole entire independent contractor/self-employed industry. I think the more this get talked about the more people will become worried about it and more people will take action.

Between this, the FTC going after Youtubers with Coppa and govt/companies trying to remove Right To Repair I'm staring to think that the govt and TPTB are trying to dismantle the IC/SE market. I honestly think that the govt and TPTB do not like the fact that more and more people are creating their own jobs and source of income. I don't think they like the fact that more and more people are no longer being or feeling dependent on corporations/employers for employment. They preach freedom but its only if they can still have some sort of control over our freedom and $$$. IMO this is all about control.

I don't see or hear enough people (none of the big or mid-small youtubers are talking about this) talking about this, I just hope the more serious this gets more people will become aware and will hopefully speak out. But then again I don't know if there's enough people that; care, are brave enough and selfless enough..... after all Net neutrality was passed a few years ago with barely any push back.

MadisonBenz
01-25-2020, 06:43 PM
did you send in all of your new paperwork they asked for? like the I9 stuff?

I have submitted it all. They stated until it is all processed, I will be payed by SM. They stated they will reach out with timesheets and a official start date.

MadisonBenz
01-25-2020, 06:47 PM
Interesting! I V wouldn't worry too much about time sheets etc. From what i've been told as long as you're making above minimum-wage it sounds like you're OK. I also think that SM just wants to have some sort of accountability in case someone complains. Or they ever get checked into. Do you know if you are officially in the system for CalGems? Like has your commission rate changed?


I am guessing I am in the system now under CAL Gems, but I am waiting on the final email of the official start date and time sheet they said I would get. I do not want my money in limbo. I am moving this week, so I have a lot on my plate...but tbh to know wtf is the official start date would be peachy.

GracieBlue
01-25-2020, 07:33 PM
They are basically paying us as they pay studio models. So if you are officially under Calgems you will start seeing your earnings in the dashboard with your new commission rate. If you're still getting 35% you are still with SM. I asked CalGems and that's what they told me that once we were in the system we would start seeing the different commission rate unless they've changed that. If you are in a studio and earn 30% when you log into your dashboard on SM you see the studio percentage. I know we are technically not in a studio but this is kind of reminding me of being in a studio if you know what I mean. Edited to add what they had told me about the earnings dashboard.


Your earnings reports from Streamate will include the updated rates going forward.


I am guessing I am in the system now under CAL Gems, but I am waiting on the final email of the official start date and time sheet they said I would get. I do not want my money in limbo. I am moving this week, so I have a lot on my plate...but tbh to know wtf is the official start date would be peachy.

Seatortuga
01-25-2020, 11:46 PM
I don't think they'll get away with passing this on a nationwide level.

You made some good points in your reply, but they are counting on people not knowing the ABC test is in HR2474 and passing it quietly. Follow that bill, you do not want AB5 to come for you too.

caramelcraze
01-26-2020, 12:35 AM
I'd like to warn you cam girls that a federal bill has been introduced to make AB5 Nationwide. HR2474, you can read it here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2474/text

We really need to organize and get on the exemption list immediately. I doubt many people in our industry know about this bill and I’m one of many in this line of work who can’t work full time. I’m so scared of losing my freedom and ability to pick and choose the jobs I want.

anonamiss
01-26-2020, 01:39 PM
We really need to organize and get on the exemption list immediately. I doubt many people in our industry know about this bill and I’m one of many in this line of work who can’t work full time. I’m so scared of losing my freedom and ability to pick and choose the jobs I want.

I wouldn't be so worried. As a CalGems employee, it doesn't look like much is really going to change, minus our commissions being a bit lower. AB-5 doesn't dictate the hours you have to work, and if you are part time, there doesn't seem to be any legal reason why anyone would require you to work a minimum amount of hours. You still have the freedom to work whenever you want. I still want us to get exempt, but having to deal with being an employee in the meantime doesn't seem so bad.

In terms of "organizing and getting on the exemption list", you may want to follow/join the Adult Performers Actors Guild. The President of APAG, Alana Evans, has said they are working on getting cammodels an exemption.

Here's some relevant links.
http://apagunion.com/2019/12/19/apag-ab5-qa-with-ca-labor-federation-audio-and-transcript/- audio of the phone call between APAG and the California Labor Federation
https://youtu.be/VnkoCkTZWDk-- a podcast discussion between Webcam Startup and Alana Evans about AB-5 and the adult industry
https://twitter.com/APAGunion

Seatortuga
01-26-2020, 02:54 PM
I wouldn't be so worried.

I'm sorry but this is really not good advice and downplays the effects of this bill. We are 26 days into the new year and there is more to come. Schedules, business closures, and other changes loom as the full financial impact of the increased labor costs is realized.

And idk about y'all but I do not want a Union swooping in and making decisions for me and that looms, also.

anonamiss
01-26-2020, 03:06 PM
I'm sorry but this is really not good advice and downplays the effects of this bill. We are 26 days into the new year and there is more to come. Schedules, business closures, and other changes loom as the full financial impact of the increased labor costs is realized.

And idk about y'all but I do not want a Union swooping in and making decisions for me and that looms, also. The SOP here in LA is already telling the press how positive this employee change has been for the strip clubs (an outright lie.)

Okay, but it's important to make a distinction between porn stars, strippers, and webcammers instead of blanketing us all under one adult/sex industry, which is why I'm happy to hear APAG is specifically trying to help get cammodels exempt. They were in support of porn actors becoming employees, which is discussed on the podcast I linked.

The whole point of AB-5 is to properly classify workers. It makes sense for strippers and porn actors to be classified as employees. It does not make sense for cammodels.

Seatortuga
01-26-2020, 03:37 PM
The folks at the IEAU want cam girls to be employees, too.

http://www.ieauunion.com

Nevertheless, I would be opposing any legislation that could lead to us becoming employees. Strippers shouldn't be employees either, IMO.

Blovely
01-26-2020, 08:20 PM
The folks at the IEAU want cam girls to be employees, too.

http://www.ieauunion.com

Nevertheless, I would be opposing any legislation that could lead to us becoming employees. Strippers shouldn't be employees either, IMO.

Agreed. People should have the choice of whether they want to be IC/SE or employees. I don't like when anyone takes my choice away whether it be the govt, employers, significant other, etc. Camgirls, strippers, pornstars, etc....we should all have the right to choose. If they take away our power of choice in regards to work/employment wtf is next? We are going down a very slippery slope here.

SamanthaSugar
01-26-2020, 10:12 PM
I reveived this email on Friday, I haven't workied since, so we shall see what tomorrow brings.

Hello,
After consultation with Streamate on transitioning your account, we were advised that there is a performer contest ending at 4pm PST/midnight UTC on Saturday. We will therefore push your start date with CAL Gems to Sunday UTC, 4:01pm Saturday.

Thank you,
CAL Gems

Erika_Xstacy
01-27-2020, 10:55 AM
What is the logic making camgirls and strippers employees?
Is it to join a union?
Pad pockets w dues?

Seatortuga
01-27-2020, 11:25 AM
Follow the money! The author of AB5 is a Democrat whose top donors for her campaign are unions. Also, She gave an interview where she estimated the state is losing $7 billion in tax revenue due to the gig/freelance economy.

Yes, it is corrupt. Interestingly though, people are actually losing income and jobs (if a business goes under due to not being able to utilize ICs, well the payroll staff won't have a job, either.) And I predict that this bill will infact cost the state money when they turn to welfare to stay afloat.

It's an experiment going way wrong.

xxxGothBarbie
01-27-2020, 04:29 PM
Follow the money! The author of AB5 is a Democrat whose top donors for her campaign are unions. Also, She gave an interview where she estimated the state is losing $7 billion in tax revenue due to the gig/freelance economy.

Yes, it is corrupt. Interestingly though, people are actually losing income and jobs (if a business goes under due to not being able to utilize ICs, well the payroll staff won't have a job, either.) And I predict that this bill will infact cost the state money when they turn to welfare to stay afloat.

It's an experiment going way wrong.

This is why I don't believe it will be a long term thing if it goes into effect everywhere. It'll literally create such chaos to the point that they will have to switch it back. If a person wants to live on 10,000 a year or less by being an IC then so be it, damn! Let the other people slave away at corporate jobs, not us, let them owe more in taxes ffs, not us.

samuimoon
01-28-2020, 01:05 PM
Does this forced change from Independent Contractor to Employee mean that the California camgirls are now able to keep all of their tips, as is the case for waitresses and the like?

GracieBlue
01-28-2020, 01:18 PM
I think it depends on who you're working for. With CG/SM they are taking a percentage of our tips.
Does this forced change from Independent Contractor to Employee mean that the California camgirls are now able to keep all of their tips, as is the case for waitresses and the like?

GracieBlue
01-28-2020, 01:19 PM
Has anyone been officially transferred over? I just submitted all of my paperwork Sunday afternoon.

samuimoon
01-28-2020, 02:37 PM
Thanks for the reply GracieBlue. There is strong law with regards to employees and tips already being enforced for decades, i cannot see why camsites would be exempt from it.

GracieBlue
01-28-2020, 03:15 PM
I completely agree! I'm sure if I asked CalGems, they would explain it away and say it doesn't fall under that. It's interesting to me because it's all about interpretation and SM I feel like went off the deep end to make CG and be in compliance but yet that is a big deal that they are forgetting that we should get all of our tips. But I'm not going to be ungrateful because I am happy that I can continue to stream on there. Did anyone ever ask and get a response as to why we don't get to keep all of our tips? I wonder what they consider tips as. I guess technically it's "gold"and doesn't really say tip.

samuimoon
01-28-2020, 04:43 PM
I completely agree! I'm sure if I asked CalGems, they would explain it away and say it doesn't fall under that. It's interesting to me because it's all about interpretation and SM I feel like went off the deep end to make CG and be in compliance but yet that is a big deal that they are forgetting that we should get all of our tips. But I'm not going to be ungrateful because I am happy that I can continue to stream on there. Did anyone ever ask and get a response as to why we don't get to keep all of our tips? I wonder what they consider tips as. I guess technically it's "gold"and doesn't really say tip.

But once a camgirl goes into a private or exclusive surely they have fulfilled their obligation to the site in terms of earnigs per minute, in show definitely any gratuities that the customer decides to give
for good service should not count as anything other than a tip and treated as such, which would mean it should all go to the camgirls. I cant see how they are going to get around this, except by being
as quiet on the subject as possible....

anonamiss
01-28-2020, 09:02 PM
Has anyone been officially transferred over? I just submitted all of my paperwork Sunday afternoon.

i put in all my I9-related paperwork and the signed TOS on Sunday as well. haven't heard back but just noticed my HR login page has changed. i worked last night on SM and honestly didn't check the HR website first, so I'm not sure if it had already changed by then. I'm not sure what we're obligated to do there without official confirmation/instructions from HR or CalGems. I was still making 35% commission last night according to my earnings page.

anonamiss
01-29-2020, 12:27 PM
I completely agree! I'm sure if I asked CalGems, they would explain it away and say it doesn't fall under that. It's interesting to me because it's all about interpretation and SM I feel like went off the deep end to make CG and be in compliance but yet that is a big deal that they are forgetting that we should get all of our tips. But I'm not going to be ungrateful because I am happy that I can continue to stream on there. Did anyone ever ask and get a response as to why we don't get to keep all of our tips? I wonder what they consider tips as. I guess technically it's "gold"and doesn't really say tip.

i think SM has been very careful with language (for long before AB-5). as far as I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), there is nowhere on the site where "GOLD" is directly referred to as "tips", and nowhere where the verb "tip" is used in any official streamate text. it says "give gold", not "tip gold." i've even had the word "tip" removed/censored from my profile bio in the past.

also, most girls *do* something in exchange for said "tip." like, a spank or a flash, or a moan for a tip vibe. at that point, is it really a "tip" if they're paying for you to give them something in return?


But once a camgirl goes into a private or exclusive surely they have fulfilled their obligation to the site in terms of earnigs per minute, in show definitely any gratuities that the customer decides to give
for good service should not count as anything other than a tip and treated as such, which would mean it should all go to the camgirls. I cant see how they are going to get around this, except by being
as quiet on the subject as possible....

the whole "keeping all your tips" thing is a really interesting scenario in regards to AB-5 and camsites. there are camsites where some models' income is 100% tips, like many token sites, and maybe even some girls on SM. like girls who do 0 dollar gold shows (i.e. basically all for "tips"), or girls who use tip vibes as a large part of their income. i don't see how a camsite could financially justify keeping models who are effectively making 100% commission in those scenarios. the site wouldn't be making any money on the model, and she'd be getting to use the site and all its perks for free. it doesn't make sense.

i worry that pushing for it could lead to them firing california models. not to mention, if any version of it does happen, there'd be outrage from non-california models who don't get to keep 100% of tips. i'd personally rather them continue taking a gross percentage of our total earnings than risk losing our jobs over fighting to keep 100% of our tips.

i think samuimoon brings up a good point though -- once we're in private or exclusive, any *additional* tips (given in a gratuity sense) within the show itself should hypothetically be considered 100% ours. i support that idea a lot. the problem is, if that was the case everyone would game the system. models would make their per minute rates super cheap and then ask for additional larger tips for any request in the show so they can keep the biggest cut. or they'd take advantage of zero dollar gold shows, where every contribution a person makes is a "tip", so in theory the model would keep all of her earnings.

edit: the only way i could see it working is if sites created a way to differentiate between truly gratuitous tips, and other payments for requests/services. which i'm not sure would even be possible because it can often be a bit of a blurred line.

TrifilinCamHo
01-29-2020, 12:46 PM
I just received an email to my SM inbox telling me they're gonna shut my account down on the 31st because my onboarding isn't done, but when I log into my Resourcing Edge account it says that the onboarding is complete. I'm super confused and already fucking irritated with this whole situation. Could someone give me the contact info for the lady at resourcing edge y'all have spoken to on the phone? I emailed SM Support, CalGems HR and Resourcing Edge but I wanna make sure all my bases are covered here.