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GracieBlue
01-29-2020, 01:50 PM
[email protected] I know Liz doesn't have much to do with anything with CG but I would almost contact her as well just cover all your bases. I



I just received an email to my SM inbox telling me they're gonna shut my account down on the 31st because my onboarding isn't done, but when I log into my Resourcing Edge account it says that the onboarding is complete. I'm super confused and already fucking irritated with this whole situation. Could someone give me the contact info for the lady at resourcing edge y'all have spoken to on the phone? I emailed SM Support, CalGems HR and Resourcing Edge but I wanna make sure all my bases are covered here.

GracieBlue
01-29-2020, 01:51 PM
Same! As of last night I was still business as usual. Has anyone gotten word on when the switch is happening?
i put in all my I9-related paperwork and the signed TOS on Sunday as well. haven't heard back but just noticed my HR login page has changed. i worked last night on SM and honestly didn't check the HR website first, so I'm not sure if it had already changed by then. I'm not sure what we're obligated to do there without official confirmation/instructions from HR or CalGems. I was still making 35% commission last night according to my earnings page.

samuimoon
01-29-2020, 01:58 PM
i think SM has been very careful with language (for long before AB-5). as far as I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), there is nowhere on the site where "GOLD" is directly referred to as "tips", and nowhere where the verb "tip" is used in any official streamate text. it says "give gold", not "tip gold." i've even had the word "tip" removed/censored from my profile bio in the past.

also, most girls *do* something in exchange for said "tip." like, a spank or a flash, or a moan for a tip vibe. at that point, is it really a "tip" if they're paying for you to give them something in return?



the whole "keeping all your tips" thing is a really interesting scenario in regards to AB-5 and camsites. there are camsites where some models' income is 100% tips, like many token sites, and maybe even some girls on SM. like girls who do 0 dollar gold shows (i.e. basically all for "tips"), or girls who use tip vibes as a large part of their income. i don't see how a camsite could financially justify keeping models who are effectively making 100% commission in those scenarios. the site wouldn't be making any money on the model, and she'd be getting to use the site and all its perks for free. it doesn't make sense.

i worry that pushing for it could lead to them firing california models. not to mention, if any version of it does happen, there'd be outrage from non-california models who don't get to keep 100% of tips. i'd personally rather them continue taking a gross percentage of our total earnings than risk losing our jobs over fighting to keep 100% of our tips.

i think samuimoon brings up a good point though -- once we're in private or exclusive, any *additional* tips (given in a gratuity sense) within the show itself could hypothetically be considered 100% ours. i support that idea a lot. the problem is, if that was the case everyone would game the system. models would make their per minute rates super cheap and then ask for additional larger tips for any request so they can keep the biggest cut. or they'd take advantage of zero dollar gold shows, where every contribution a person makes is a "tip", so in theory the model would keep all of her earnings.

edit: the only way i could see it working is if sites created a way to differentiate between truly gratuitous tips, and other payments for requests/services. which i'm not sure would even be possible because it can often be a bit of a blurred line.

Just looking at the scenario where the girls are in a private or exclusive where the per minute rate is at an pre-established acceptable level, no gaming the system scenarios, i think there would be a strong case for them keeping their additional gratuities under actual law. Once a model is signed up as an employee, they are also protected from being arbitrarily fired on a whim, again there are laws in place that give them that protection. This concern on how much the sites make is very odd, and not one that other employed people normally concern themselves with, it is up to the camsites to better target paying clientele. The reality is that the only new clientele comes in from the camgirls' footage being used as bait on other sites, and from potentials seeing a woman they like and them signing up to go and play with that woman. Either way without the camgirl they have no business on all fronts. The tips may be a right, and if that is the case the sites are in breach of the law, its as clear cut as that.

anonamiss
01-29-2020, 02:13 PM
Just looking at the scenario where the girls are in a private or exclusive where the per minute rate is at an pre-established acceptable level, no gaming the system scenarios, i think there would be a strong case for them keeping their additional gratuities under actual law. Once a model is signed up as an employee, they are also protected from being arbitrarily fired on a whim, again there are laws in place that give them that protection. This concern on how much the sites make is very odd, and not one that other employed people normally concern themselves with, it is up to the camsites to better target paying clientele. The reality is that the only new clientele comes in from the camgirls' footage being used as bait on other sites, and from potentials seeing a woman they like and them signing up to go and play with that woman. Either way without the camgirl they have no business on all fronts. The tips may be a right, and if that is the case the sites are in breach of the law, its as clear cut as that.

i generally agree with you.

however, in California we are "at will" employees, so I believe your statement about us being protected from being "arbitrarily fired on a whim" is actually untrue.

(definition from wikipedia: "the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.") The only exception is if an employee is fired illegally.

at the end of the day, it comes down to the fact that I don't want to lose my main source of income, so i am extremely hesitant to push SM to make more changes, even if we are deserving of our true tips under the law.

samuimoon
01-29-2020, 02:28 PM
That is a very slippery slope to go down, people fought for decades for certain rights in terms of security and employment rights. In a years time, i wonder how you will view not taking up for these benefits, but still having to clock in and do your hours like any other employee.

anonamiss
01-29-2020, 02:55 PM
That is a very slippery slope to go down, people fought for decades for certain rights in terms of security and employment rights. In a years time, i wonder how you will view not taking up for these benefits, but still having to clock in and do your hours like any other employee.

but that's the thing. we aren't required to "do hours." we have no minimum hours to work and are allowed to choose when we work just as any other contractor on the site. like i posted here the other day, there really isn't much of a difference to our new employee status other than us making slightly less money and having our taxes already taken out of our paychecks. the lower pay is unfortunate, but not worth me quitting/striking over.

also just wanted to say that i'm not trying to undermine any progress in employment rights. but i do think this whole situation is leading to a much larger conversation about the internet, technology, and all of the new jobs that have come out of it over the past decade or two, and what that means in terms of labor laws.

in this case i still hesitate to agree with the notion that we should be employees in the first place, and hope that in a year i don't have to be dealing with any of this because AB-5 gets repealed/changed or we get an exemption. i'd prefer to be self employed as a contractor paying my own taxes (with write offs that I can presumably no longer get as an employee) and health insurance (which is also deductible when self employed.)

MadisonBenz
01-29-2020, 03:31 PM
Dude wtf, I sent in ALL of the on boarding information as of last week & I get the email from SM stating they will shut me down on the 31st!?

How do I get in contact with Liz???

I have emailed SM support, CG & RE, along with calling RE’s phone numbers that were left on SM’s email. This HAS to be a error!!! I’m honestly panicking!!!

GracieBlue
01-29-2020, 03:47 PM
Oh my God! You're the second person today that's posted about this. They really need to get their shit together. I feel like they aren't even treating us as human beings. This is how we make our money, this is how we pay our rent! It almost seems like there's too many people involved. I'm sorry this happened to you. :(

samuimoon
01-29-2020, 04:05 PM
but that's the thing. we aren't required to "do hours." we have no minimum hours to work and are allowed to choose when we work just as any other contractor on the site. like i posted here the other day, there really isn't much of a difference to our new employee status other than us making slightly less money and having our taxes already taken out of our paychecks. the lower pay is unfortunate, but not worth me quitting/striking over.

also just wanted to say that i'm not trying to undermine any progress in employment rights. but i do think this whole situation is leading to a much larger conversation about the internet, technology, and all of the new jobs that have come out of it over the past decade or two, and what that means in terms of labor laws.

in this case i still hesitate to agree with the notion that we should be employees in the first place, and hope that in a year i don't have to be dealing with any of this because AB-5 gets repealed/changed or we get an exemption. i'd prefer to be self employed as a contractor paying my own taxes (with write offs that I can presumably no longer get as an employee) and health insurance (which is also deductible when self employed.)


IF this Act being rolled out in California is just to test the waters, and to guage reactions and oppositions. We wont know what the true agenda is until a few years down the road.. I appreciate the dialogue that we have had on the subject anonomiss and I absolutely understand your position as someone who is having to navigate this huge change.

MadisonBenz
01-29-2020, 04:09 PM
Oh my God! You're the second person today that's posted about this. They really need to get their shit together. I feel like they aren't even treating us as human beings. This is how we make our money, this is how we pay our rent! It almost seems like there's too many people involved. I'm sorry this happened to you. :(

This is fucking ridiculous!!! I just called Melissa as well at RE, I found her number from a VM I had saved from awhile back...personally don’t give a fuck on blowing all this people up! Like you mentioned this is my money they are fucking with. I did everything they asked weeks ago!!!! This HAS to be fixed by tomorrow. I really just want to cry....
I really just want to cry!!!

MadisonBenz
01-29-2020, 04:16 PM
Well Melissa was fast to respond with a email follow up.

She did confirm that I have completed EVERYTHING & received the email with Streamate in error. I did reply back to her asking if she can relay that to SM, to put my mind at ease....this is a shit show!!!

GracieBlue
01-29-2020, 04:29 PM
Yep! Do everything you can! When my account got shut down due to SM error I didn't care who I bugged and how much I bugged them. They need to start realizing that we are human beings with families we are taking care of or even just ourselves. If they want to treat this like a real job and comply then they need to treat us as real workers!

TrifilinCamHo
01-29-2020, 04:34 PM
Dude wtf, I sent in ALL of the on boarding information as of last week & I get the email from SM stating they will shut me down on the 31st!?

How do I get in contact with Liz???

I have emailed SM support, CG & RE, along with calling RE’s phone numbers that were left on SM’s email. This HAS to be a error!!! I’m honestly panicking!!!

They did this to me today as well. I panicked and fired off emails to CalGems, SM Support & Resourcing Edge. CalGems emailed me back & said that Resourcing Edge hasn't received my i-9 docs or the signed performer agreement (lies, I uploaded that shit like literally the day they first asked for it), then Resourcing Edge emailed me like an hour ago and said all my paperwork, etc was good. Very cool, really engenders my confidence in this whole thing and makes me feel awesome about taking a pay cut. Honestly tho I trust Resourcing Edge more than CalGems because as we all know CalGems support = SM Support. Waiting to hear back from both now, I just screenshotted their respective email answers and sent them to the other LOL.

MadisonBenz
01-30-2020, 10:42 AM
Melissa stated to me yesterday that she let CG know that all of my onboarding documents and paperwork has been completed, so they know I am all good to go. RE just called me in follow up to my phone call to them & that representative stated the same thing that my account has all the proper documents have been completed.
Now I just wait to her back from CG & SM to let them know that the closing account email was in error. Let’s hope this is resolved today!!!

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 11:11 AM
Got this today. I thought we were getting paid every two weeks but it looks like they are going to do streamates work week. Also last night in my dashboard, I was still making my same percentage.

Hello,

Congratulations! You have completed the onboarding process.

We are completing the onboarding process for your account in cooperation with Streamate. You are an employee of CAL Gems as of January 29th, 2020.

Starting on January 29th, 2020 please submit your timecards to [email protected] on a weekly basis. Please re-name this file with your first and last name, performer name, and date of the start of the work week, Sunday (e.g. JaneDoe_JaneDoesIt02022020). Please refer to the "EXAMPLE" tab within the spreadsheet for an example, if needed.

Your earnings week ends Saturday at 4:00 pm PST, and the next begins Saturday at 4:01 pm PST.

On Sunday, February 2nd, you will submit hours for January 30th through February 1st. Hours for Sunday the 2nd will be tracked on your next timesheet, due February 9th.

*** Note: You will need to send us your timesheet every Sunday. ***

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have questions.

Thank you,
CAL Gems

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 11:15 AM
Also who came up with the name CalGems and that file name lmao janedoesit!! I really wish sometimes they had real sex workers working admin. I don't think we'd be called Cal gems if that was the case. :)

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 11:43 AM
Well I just checked with Katy and I'm officially a CalGem. It's interesting though because last night I made 30% which is what I make with Katy but I thought I was only getting 29%. I'm curious if the 35% girls, if yours stayed at 35% or they adjusted it. Maybe they're just giving everyone 30%. I don't know. So last night everything I made was at 30%. Since we are now being paid by an outside contractor at the bottom of your earnings page it will say contact your representative for all payment related questions, that is probably one way that you'll figure out if you are in CalGems system.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 12:07 PM
^ I made 30% last night (usually make 35%, supposed to get 29% according to the contract). I responded to the CalGems timesheet email with questions about this.

It also says our official start date is the 29th (last night), yet the instructions on the email say to submit our first time sheet for January 30th through February 1st.

So are we getting paid for last night with a different commission on our final Streamate paycheck?

Why did they have to complicate this and do everything right in the middle of the payweek? Especially since they're keeping the same pay week structure as SM. Ugh. So messy. I can't wait for all of this to just smooth out and feel normal.

TrifilinCamHo
01-30-2020, 12:10 PM
OMG you guysssss. I emailed SM/CalGems support yesterday explaining the situation (that I was being told two separate things by them and by RE, that I was confused about what was going on, could they please reach out to RE and clarify on whether or not my onboarding was incomplete or not) and they clearly didn't even fucking read my email, just sent me another copy and pasted email this morning saying my shit wasn't complete and to do that before my account gets closed. I am LIVID. Waiting to hear back from Melissa at RE now.

TrifilinCamHo
01-30-2020, 12:11 PM
^ I made 30% last night (usually make 35%, supposed to get 29% according to the contract). I responded to the CalGems timesheet email with questions about this.

It also says our official start date is the 29th (last night), yet the instructions on the email say to submit our first time sheet for January 30th through February 1st.

So are we getting paid for last night with a different commission on our final Streamate paycheck?

Why did they have to complicate this and do everything right in the middle of the payweek? Especially since they're keeping the same pay week structure as SM. Ugh. So messy. I can't wait for all of this to just smooth out and feel normal.

How do you submit a time sheet? Like just plug your hours in a dashboard or do you have to download or copy and paste something and submit it?

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 12:25 PM
How do you submit a time sheet? Like just plug your hours in a dashboard or do you have to download or copy and paste something and submit it?

They sent a super generic spreadsheet file template for us to use. It's just a table that includes date, time in, lunch in, lunch out, time out, and hours worked. Then we email it weekly.

I can see this getting messy for anyone who does split shifts throughout the day. Like if you don't work 6 hours straight through but do it in chunks throughout the day. In that case I wonder if we'd still have to take "lunch breaks"? Or like, sometimes during my shifts I log off to do a Skype show, and then log back on like an hour later. I'll have to ask how they want us to track that.

I see the "hours worked" column is setup with an excel formula to add up all your hours and update the total hours section. Glad to see that, at least.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 12:33 PM
I am really surprised and mildly annoyed that we're still going to be getting paid weekly.

Weekly pay is obviously great, however -- the more all of this unfolds, the more it seems like absolutely nothing is changing about the structure of our jobs other than us getting paid less and having to do more work like track our hours/breaks.

The fact that they aren't making full time workers actually work full time consistently and have mentioned nothing about benefits like sick pay, vacation pay, etc. worries me that they're even being properly compliant with AB-5/CA law in the first place. And that was the entire point of them going through all these stupid changes.

Edit: in case anyone reads this after the fact, I confirmed and wrote later in the thread that it was a misunderstanding and they are going to pay biweekly. But the general notion of this post still stands.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 12:44 PM
I'm just glad it's finally done. I also am wondering if we are all just getting 30% at this point. They have to physically go in and switch our percentage amount so I don't think it was a mistake. Like Melissa had said to me before I think they are trying to keep the same as much as they can. I think they're just trying to cover themselves in case they ever get audited or something like that.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 01:04 PM
I can see this getting messy for anyone who does split shifts throughout the day. Like if you don't work 6 hours straight through but do it in chunks throughout the day. In that case I wonder if we'd still have to take "lunch breaks"? Or like, sometimes during my shifts I log off to do a Skype show, and then log back on like an hour later. I'll have to ask how they want us to track that.

I just noticed there was an "example" time sheet included in the same file... I was hoping it would clear up some of my questions, but no, now I just have more, lol.

It's a really strange example sheet. There is one example shift where the lunch break listed is 5 hours long (lunch start 10AM, lunch end 3pm) And another shift where it says they worked 9pm to 5am, but took no lunch break. And two shifts where they worked over 8 hours in a day, which I thought under AB-5 may not be allowed.

Gah... >_<

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 01:08 PM
I wonder if that's for people that were kind of a split shift so the 10 AM to 3 PM is considered their lunch break. I hardly ever work more than a 5 to 6 hour stretch so hopefully this won't be too complicated for me at least.
I just noticed there was an "example" time sheet included in the same file... I was hoping it would clear up some of my questions, but no, now I just have more, lol.

It's a really strange example sheet. There is one example shift where the lunch break listed is 5 hours long (lunch start 10AM, lunch end 3pm) And another shift where it says they worked 9pm to 5am, but took no lunch break. And two shifts where they worked over 8 hours in a day, which I thought under AB-5 may not be allowed.

Gah... >_<

PixiieGirl
01-30-2020, 01:13 PM
Well I just checked with Katy and I'm officially a CalGem. It's interesting though because last night I made 30% which is what I make with Katy but I thought I was only getting 29%. I'm curious if the 35% girls, if yours stayed at 35% or they adjusted it. Maybe they're just giving everyone 30%. I don't know. So last night everything I made was at 30%. Since we are now being paid by an outside contractor at the bottom of your earnings page it will say contact your representative for all payment related questions, that is probably one way that you'll figure out if you are in CalGems system.

sorry to butt in with a totally unrelated question - but, does our earnings page reflect what we actually get even when with a studio?? thats neat if so, I had no idea it did! Im not great at checking things like that

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 01:17 PM
I wonder if that's for people that were kind of a split shift so the 10 AM to 3 PM is considered their lunch break. I hardly ever work more than a 5 to 6 hour stretch so hopefully this won't be too complicated for me at least.

Yeah, same for me. I usually do 4-5 hours, occasionally 6, rarely more. I'm not that worried, I just hate how incompetent they continue to present themselves as, lol.

Gonna try to log on and off at nice clean parts of the hour (like :15, :30, :45, :00) so my calculations aren't super messy.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 01:26 PM
That's a really good idea! I never tracked my hours last night because I assumed we hadn't been switched over but I guess I'll try to figure it out.
Yeah, same for me. I usually do 4-5 hours, occasionally 6, rarely more. I'm not that worried, I just hate how incompetent they continue to present themselves as, lol.

Gonna try to log on and off at nice clean parts of the hour (like :15, :30, :45, :00) so my calculations aren't super messy.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 01:41 PM
That's a really good idea! I never tracked my hours last night because I assumed we hadn't been switched over but I guess I'll try to figure it out.

Same. I realized there is nowhere on the regular Streamate site that tracks the actual time we logged on. The earnings only show the time stamp of whenever someone spent money, and the time online page only shows the total amount of minutes worked that day. So I have no idea what the start/end time of my shift last night was. I can approximate it and then add the amount of minutes I worked onto that, so hopefully that's good enough.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 03:00 PM
I had to go back and look because I knew they mentioned "biweekly pay" somewhere. It's on the first page of the contract we signed.

"Payment Timing. CAL Gems will pay you on a bi-weekly basis, less applicable taxes and other withholdings in accordance with Cal Gem’s normal payroll procedures. Your biweekly payment is subject to at least minimum wage for all hours worked."

The email they sent today said we must send timesheets every week, and that our "earnings week ends Saturday at 4:00 pm PST, and the next begins Saturday at 4:01 pm PST" which would imply weekly pay.

I'm going to bug them again and ask them to clarify. If we're getting paid weekly, that language needs to be updated in our contracts.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 03:51 PM
It does!
sorry to butt in with a totally unrelated question - but, does our earnings page reflect what we actually get even when with a studio?? thats neat if so, I had no idea it did! Im not great at checking things like that

MadisonBenz
01-30-2020, 03:52 PM
Well fuck.....I received a email from Cal Gems stating it is STILL incomplete!!!! Fml....i have had 2 people at RE state that it was all complete.
I re-uploaded the Terms agreement again and emailed them a screenshot that I have fucking done so!!!! I feel like I am going to be fucked here.

MadisonBenz
01-30-2020, 04:23 PM
Question for you guys....since the Service Agreement seems to be the thing that is fucking shit up for me right now...did you guys upload it to that RE link only or did you email the attached signed one to Cal Gems?

TrifilinCamHo
01-30-2020, 04:24 PM
Well fuck.....I received a email from Cal Gems stating it is STILL incomplete!!!! Fml....i have had 2 people at RE state that it was all complete.
I re-uploaded the Terms agreement again and emailed them a screenshot that I have fucking done so!!!! I feel like I am going to be fucked here.


They did this to me as well this morning even though RE said my onboarding was done. I still haven't heard back from Resourcing Edge or Melissa even though I emailed/called and left a message on her voicemail today. I guess we'll see in about 40 minutes when the new day rollover starts and it's technically the 31st if we still have accounts or not. >_<

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 04:28 PM
Question for you guys....since the Service Agreement seems to be the thing that is fucking shit up for me right now...did you guys upload it to that RE link only or did you email the attached signed one to Cal Gems?

I uploaded it to the RE link along with a scan of my passport.

MadisonBenz
01-30-2020, 04:43 PM
I uploaded it to the RE link along with a scan of my passport.


Gotcha. I went ahead and emailed them a attached copy along uploading it again for the 3rd time.

MadisonBenz
01-30-2020, 04:44 PM
They did this to me as well this morning even though RE said my onboarding was done. I still haven't heard back from Resourcing Edge or Melissa even though I emailed/called and left a message on her voicemail today. I guess we'll see in about 40 minutes when the new day rollover starts and it's technically the 31st if we still have accounts or not. >_<


I am hoping this is just a fluke or something, I will loose my shit if it’s closed

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 04:58 PM
I'm glad we're getting paid weekly and that the pay periods are running the same as SM. I think it makes a lot more sense. I know it sucks that our contract doesn't state that but maybe they'll send us new updated ones. For anyone that's confused about breaks I was just thinking back to my old days when I used to work at a gap kids. This was basically my structure.

8 hours I got 2x15 minute breaks and then an hour lunch break. If I worked a four hour shift I would get a 15 minute break after being on for two hours. If I worked anything over 5 to 6 hours I think I got one 15 minute break and one 30 minute break. A four hour shift I just got one 15 minute break. All the 15 minute breaks were paid and then I had to clock out for 30 minute or 60 minute ones. Basically I was taking a break every two hours.


I had to go back and look because I knew they mentioned "biweekly pay" somewhere. It's on the first page of the contract we signed.

"Payment Timing. CAL Gems will pay you on a bi-weekly basis, less applicable taxes and other withholdings in accordance with Cal Gem’s normal payroll procedures. Your biweekly payment is subject to at least minimum wage for all hours worked."

The email they sent today said we must send timesheets every week, and that our "earnings week ends Saturday at 4:00 pm PST, and the next begins Saturday at 4:01 pm PST" which would imply weekly pay.

I'm going to bug them again and ask them to clarify. If we're getting paid weekly, that language needs to be updated in our contracts.

TrifilinCamHo
01-30-2020, 05:06 PM
I am hoping this is just a fluke or something, I will loose my shit if it’s closed


As of right now (4:05 PST) my account is still open & kickin. I'm gonna just work tonight as planned assuming it stays open and whatever happens, happens.I literally sat by my phone and laptop all day waiting for a response from either of them and got nothing until like 5 minutes ago when they said my signed agreement was missing even though I've uploaded it twice now. Uploaded it again and sent them a screenshot. What the fuck ever.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 05:29 PM
Okay, I just heard back from CalGems.

They confirmed we are still getting paid bi-weekly as our contract states, but we must submit timesheets weekly.

They also said that they will look into why I got 30% commission last night and get back to me with an update. Sounds like it was not intentional but they appreciated me bringing to their attention.

I'm not working on SM tonight so I'll see if my commission changes tomorrow when I do my Friday shift.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 05:34 PM
Did they say when we can expect to get our first paycheck or like when does this pay period end? I'm going to ask but thought maybe I'd see if they said anything to you
Okay, I just heard back from CalGems.

They confirmed we are still getting paid bi-weekly as our contract states, but we must submit timesheets weekly.

They also said that they will look into why I got 30% commission last night and get back to me with an update. Sounds like it was not intentional but they appreciated me bringing to their attention.

I'm not working on SM tonight so I'll see if my commission changes tomorrow when I do my Friday shift.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 05:52 PM
Did they say when we can expect to get our first paycheck or like when does this pay period end? I'm going to ask but thought maybe I'd see if they said anything to you

No, they did not clarify that. That's a good question. I will also ask.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 06:32 PM
I briefly looked through the contract to see if it says something in there about pay dates. And it doesn't really say anything specific unless I missed it. I thought I read something about the first and 15th. Might be wrong
No, they did not clarify that. That's a good question. I will also ask.

anonamiss
01-30-2020, 07:20 PM
Their response: "To clarify, your start date is the 29th, but that occurred at 4:00 pm PST (12:00 am UTC), which is the roll-over to the next day - just like Streamate. So, hours after 4:00 pm PST on the 29th are actually recorded as the 30th."

So this implies we do need to track last night's shift on our new timesheets, right? This time zone crap always makes me overthink and throws me for a loop.

They also ignored my question about pay periods/pay out dates. I asked one more time. I also asked if we are supposed to be tracking our hours in UTC time. I guess I just assumed we'd use PST because this is all California-related, but perhaps not.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 07:44 PM
I never really pay attention to the UTC time. I never got the time sheet attached so I can't really see what you're looking at. But it seems to me we just keep track of our hours in our time zone but we make sure they follow the SM work week schedule. And I think this is where everyone got confused were a lot of us at least me thought we were getting paid weekly.
Their response: "To clarify, your start date is the 29th, but that occurred at 4:00 pm PST (12:00 am UTC), which is the roll-over to the next day - just like Streamate. So, hours after 4:00 pm PST on the 29th are actually recorded as the 30th."

So this implies we do need to track last night's shift on our new timesheets, right? This time zone crap always makes me overthink and throws me for a loop.

They also ignored my question about pay periods/pay out dates. I asked one more time. I also asked if we are supposed to be tracking our hours in UTC time. I guess I just assumed we'd use PST because this is all California-related, but perhaps not.

GracieBlue
01-30-2020, 11:19 PM
Well they fixed the % issue. I'm seeing 29% tonight, lame.

xxxGothBarbie
01-31-2020, 12:05 AM
Does anyone know which sites other than SM & cams have switched over to employee status for cam models now?

anonamiss
01-31-2020, 01:17 PM
Well they fixed the % issue. I'm seeing 29% tonight, lame.

they changed my 30% earnings from the night of the 29th to 29%.

anonamiss
01-31-2020, 01:19 PM
Did they say when we can expect to get our first paycheck or like when does this pay period end? I'm going to ask but thought maybe I'd see if they said anything to you

they told me our first Calgems paycheck will be on February 13th. I assume that's the day they'll send out ACH, so I would expect to get it the next day/Friday if you signed up for direct deposit.

so it looks like our first pay period goes from 1/29 through 2/8. then the next one would be 2/8 to 2/22 and so on.

GracieBlue
01-31-2020, 01:21 PM
That's complete bullshit. That's their own fault, that's not our fault. They should just honor it. This is really getting to be a little slimy in my opinion.
they changed my 30% earnings from the night of the 29th to 29%.