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MissViolet
02-16-2020, 02:40 PM
I just looked at my check and it looks as if my entire check went to paying taxes.

oh no! ugh I wonder what the deal is

SamanthaSugar
02-16-2020, 03:03 PM
oh no! ugh I wonder what the deal is

Yeah, I screwed up :( Luckily I was sick and only worked a couple of hours, so my paycheck was pretty small.

I'm redoing my filings.
For those of you who are single with no deductions - (I want them to take out the least amount) - what did you put for
Number of allowances from the Estimated Deductions — Worksheet B
Additional amount of state income tax to be withheld each pay period (if employer agrees) — Worksheet C

thank you in advance :)

Genoveve
02-16-2020, 08:34 PM
Don't forget that today is timesheet day.

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 10:40 AM
AB2389 will require all dancers, cam girls, porn actresses, etc. in CA to register as sex workers.

It will only license folks 21+ so 18-21 year olds will be excluded from adult work.
We will be fingerprinted in order to receive our license.
We will be required to keep our licenses with us at all times, be subject to searches at any time, even in our own homes.

This was just introduced yesterday. Please fight this.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB2389&fbclid=IwAR3PWCPtvX9fEFg1LTBsfCMlY_xW1DtkrbgQ_AtVT i6o02HUXSC1pG4HAuU

This is from the stripper side of the forum, but I thought you guys should see it too.

xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2020, 11:26 AM
This is from the stripper side of the forum, but I thought you guys should see it too.

This has to be a joke. How is this even possible? The link that is

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 11:32 AM
This has to be a joke. How is this even possible? The link that is

I have no idea. :( If this is the trend, I plan to work hard these next few years (it will probably take time to get to my state) and transition out.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 11:45 AM
The conversation is rapidly moving over on Twitter. Last week the AB 5 creator told someone that they were working on language to add exemptions for Cammodels. (https://twitter.com/KitCatt3/status/1228991494754832384?s=19) Well it turns out that another person was drafting this new bill ab2389. And breaking news....the APAG Union and it's affiliates helped write the language for the new bill that would require licensing and finger printing and so much more. This group is mixed up and I honestly have never thought they should be representing us. While they're on Twitter fighting the Good Fight someone on the "team" is working against them. What a mess!

https://www.xbiz.com/news/250388/apags-mother-union-drafted-controversial-sex-worker-permit-state-bill

Now the of sponsor says more about cammodel exemptions and how the language is not what she agreed to.
https://twitter.com/LorenaSGonzalez/status/1230524251641274369?s=19

and

https://twitter.com/LorenaSGonzalez/status/1230538488241541120?s=19

xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2020, 11:56 AM
The conversation is rapidly moving over on Twitter. Last week the AB 5 creator told someone that they were working on language to add exemptions for Cammodels. (https://twitter.com/KitCatt3/status/1228991494754832384?s=19) Well it turns out that another person was drafting this new bill ab2389. And breaking news....the APAG Union and it's affiliates helped write the language for the new bill that would require licensing and finger printing and so much more. This group is mixed up and I honestly have never thought they should be representing us. While they're on Twitter fighting the Good Fight someone on the "team" is working against them. What a mess!

https://www.xbiz.com/news/250388/apags-mother-union-drafted-controversial-sex-worker-permit-state-bill

Now the of sponsor says more about cammodel exemptions and how the language is not what she agreed to.
https://twitter.com/LorenaSGonzalez/status/1230524251641274369?s=19

Is the bill actually in effect & valid right now or just in the works? I'm confused. This AB5 crap is really getting out of hand ugh

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 12:00 PM
Is the bill actually in effect & valid right now or just in the works? I'm confused. This AB5 crap is really getting out of hand ugh

It was introduced yesterday and goes to committee tomorrow.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 12:01 PM
Is the bill actually in effect & valid right now or just in the works? I'm confused. This AB5 crap is really getting out of hand ugh

AB2839 is not in effect. You can read what it entails right here (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB2389)

xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2020, 12:02 PM
It was introduced yesterday and goes to committee tomorrow.

Does that mean it will take a few months to go into full effect or?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 12:07 PM
You're exactly right. Lorena Gonzalez is outright lying to people on Twitter.

She could be lying about not knowing about the change. Or maybe she really didn't know? or APAG could be lying because they now they're starting to look even more incompetent than before. I have no idea. But I do think that at least this bill will die because people are starting to pay more attention.

Seatortuga
02-20-2020, 12:14 PM
Lorena lies about the effect of AB5. She was on there just this week acting surprised that ICs lose benefits when they become employees like our tax deductions, flexibility, etc. Just. This. Week. And then she proclaims she is listening to people and taking meeting from everyone (seriously, she said everyone) wanting to discuss AB5.

As far as AB2389 goes, it's still a developing situation, but she's saying that some of the language of the bill wasn't in there when she agreed to co-author. BULLSHIT.

Edited to add AB2389 does not go into effect until Jan. 1st 2022.

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 12:16 PM
The conversation is rapidly moving over on Twitter. Last week the AB 5 creator told someone that they were working on language to add exemptions for Cammodels. (https://twitter.com/KitCatt3/status/1228991494754832384?s=19) Well it turns out that another person was drafting this new bill ab2389. And breaking news....the APAG Union and it's affiliates helped write the language for the new bill that would require licensing and finger printing and so much more. This group is mixed up and I honestly have never thought they should be representing us. While they're on Twitter fighting the Good Fight someone on the "team" is working against them. What a mess!

https://www.xbiz.com/news/250388/apags-mother-union-drafted-controversial-sex-worker-permit-state-bill

Now the of sponsor says more about cammodel exemptions and how the language is not what she agreed to.
https://twitter.com/LorenaSGonzalez/status/1230524251641274369?s=19

and

https://twitter.com/LorenaSGonzalez/status/1230538488241541120?s=19


APAG wanted AB5. https://twitter.com/APAGunion/status/1203054457476599809 https://twitter.com/APAGunion/status/1202765671538364416 https://twitter.com/CaliforniaLabor/status/1178779677550243840

samuimoon
02-20-2020, 12:18 PM
This is from the stripper side of the forum, but I thought you guys should see it too.

Handmaids Tale - coming to a street near you soon - wow.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 12:23 PM
If you have something to say about the new bill that was just introduced you can do so on this page. It's a section that reads as comments to the author. This way it's all on record.

AB2389 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/loginClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB2389&destPage=billCommentsClient.xhtml

MistressX
02-20-2020, 01:22 PM
It was just mentioned on twitter that other states are looking to adopt similar legislature to AB and that a possible federal law will pass as well. I'm really confused about all this and I dont know what to think. And another bill requiring us to register as sex workers? And keep a card on us? And be subject to searches? I dont know about you but that sounds a little bit like "papers please" and we know where that went..

edit to add: how does AB5 and the new bill affect things like clip creators, phone sex operators, etc? We know its affecting cam models but I havent heard anything specific about these other sections of sex work? How does it affect companies based in CA?

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 01:28 PM
I already have a general business license, I have no problem getting a specific adult industry license. I really don't see the necessity of requiring fingerprinting and training for cammodels specifically, though. I think it's more appropriate for anyone who works a physical sex work related job.

I find the language confusing, because the bill emphasizes adult entertainers are all classified as employees because of AB-5. So why are we being forced to get business licenses if we are not being recognized as businesses?

If anything, by requiring that we get adult entertainment *business* licenses, wouldn't that mean we would qualify for the *business to business* exemption in AB-5, as contractors?

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 01:30 PM
It was just mentioned on twitter that other states are looking to adopt similar legislature to AB and that a possible federal law will pass as well. I'm really confused about all this and I dont know what to think. And another bill requiring us to register as sex workers? And keep a card on us? And be subject to searches? I dont know about you but that sounds a little bit like "papers please" and we know where that went..

edit to add: how does AB5 and the new bill affect things like clip creators, phone sex operators, etc? We know its affecting cam models but I havent heard anything specific about these other sections of sex work? How does it affect companies based in CA?

Thats a fantastic question. Streamate and Cams are the only sites that have reacted in any way. Honestly even Uber is still operating as usual with a few tweaks to give the drivers more choices.

naomi_doll
02-20-2020, 01:31 PM
I already have a general business license, I have no problem getting a specific adult industry license. I really don't see the necessity of requiring fingerprinting and training for cammodels specifically, though. I think it's more appropriate for anyone who works a physical sex work related job.

I find the language confusing, because the bill emphasizes adult entertainers are all classified as employees because of AB-5. So why are we being forced to get business licenses if we are not being recognized as businesses?

If anything, by requiring that we get adult entertainment *business* licenses, wouldn't that mean we would qualify for the *business to business* exemption in AB-5, as contractors?

It's more like getting a license to do hair or nails, not a business license.

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 01:33 PM
If you have something to say about the new bill that was just introduced you can do so on this page. It's a section that reads as comments to the author. This way it's all on record.

AB2389 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/loginClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB2389&destPage=billCommentsClient.xhtml

PGD do you know if the comment section on this is anonymous or public? I see you have to register before even seeing the page you linked. I want to leave feedback but I don't want my stage name nor my real name shown publicly on it.

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 01:34 PM
It's more like getting a license to do hair or nails, not a business license.

It literally calls it a business license in the bill, though.

"This bill would prohibit adult entertainers or performers from working at an adult entertainment business or working in an adult entertainment video unless they have a valid business license."

Seatortuga
02-20-2020, 01:35 PM
I find the language confusing, because the bill emphasizes adult entertainers are all classified as employees because of AB-5. So why are we being forced to get business licenses if we are not being recognized as businesses?

If anything, by requiring that we get adult entertainment *business* licenses, wouldn't that mean we would qualify for the *business to business* exemption in AB-5, as contractors?

Excellent point. Unfortunately, it's all about taxes, taxes, taxes,taxes,taxes, etc.

MistressX
02-20-2020, 01:36 PM
Does anyone have a link to the changes streamate made for models in CA? I cant seem to find anything on those requirements. If other states adopt this or it becomes a law federally I am going to need to know. Someone also I think mentioned avoiding all this by incorporating yourself but that came with complications as well.. I hope its not too late to educate myself.

Seatortuga
02-20-2020, 01:43 PM
Latest on Twitter is that the IEAU drafted AB2389 without knowledge or consent of APAG.

GracieBlue
02-20-2020, 01:49 PM
It's kind of complicated to explain it but as I see it there are a lot of changes and then there were not a lot of changes. We basically get paid by a third-party and our taxes are taken out where as we used to be independent contractors and got a 1099. We are also getting a lower commission percentage. We can basically work on SM as we used to and as much as we want to. Maybe the other girls can chime in but that's kind of how I see things. If anyone is moving to CA, I highly suggest going through Liz to make changes to your account. They are basically closing down any accounts that switches over to a California ID. This happened to me in December and luckily everything was figured out so I am still working on SM but boy was it stressful!
Does anyone have a link to the changes streamate made for models in CA? I cant seem to find anything on those requirements. If other states adopt this or it becomes a law federally I am going to need to know. Someone also I think mentioned avoiding all this by incorporating yourself but that came with complications as well.. I hope its not too late to educate myself.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 01:51 PM
PGD do you know if the comment section on this is anonymous or public? I see you have to register before even seeing the page you linked. I want to leave feedback but I don't want my stage name nor my real name shown publicly on it.

I did a test attempt with one of my incognito email addresses and an alias. I used a San Francisco address to a business. My comment was accepted. Basically you can register without revealing who you are. I plan on submitting real feedback once I gather my thoughts.

http://www.camhustlers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Screenshot_20200220-154702-01.jpeg

GracieBlue
02-20-2020, 01:59 PM
They are interesting! They(APAG)since removed it but they made a horrible comment about cam models aging out of camming. Very ageist! I hate dirty deletes!
Latest on Twitter is that the IEAU drafted AB2389 without knowledge or consent of APAG. The union goons didn't take long to come out as being behind this, did they?

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 02:38 PM
I'm wondering about how our privacy and anonymity could be affected. Business licenses are public record. Even if you incorporate as a business with a generic name, you still have to get that published in a newspaper attached to your real name. I do not want anything related to adult work showing up when someone googles me or my business name.

Also I want to reiterate something about the language they use in the bill.

"A person shall not work as an entertainer at an adult entertainment business or as a performer in any adult entertainment video, including, but not limited to, internet web-camming sites, without having first obtained a valid business license or permit from the local business license issuing authority and the entertainer or performer obtaining a certificate of training completion."

This implies that we have to get BOTH a business license, AND this new "adult entertainment" certification of sorts.

It makes NO sense to continue to classify us as employees with the way this is worded. If that was the case, they need to take out the part about us requiring a business license, and reword it so it's more like the type of certification a food service *employee* has to get in order to work.

We can't be both employees and businesses simultaneously.

Erika_Xstacy
02-20-2020, 03:36 PM
I'm wondering about how our privacy and anonymity could be affected. Business licenses are public record. Even if you incorporate as a business with a generic name, you still have to get that published in a newspaper attached to your real name. I do not want anything related to adult work showing up when someone googles me or my business name.

Also I want to reiterate something about the language they use in the bill.

"A person shall not work as an entertainer at an adult entertainment business or as a performer in any adult entertainment video, including, but not limited to, internet web-camming sites, without having first obtained a valid business license or permit from the local business license issuing authority and the entertainer or performer obtaining a certificate of training completion."

This implies that we have to get BOTH a business license, AND this new "adult entertainment" certification of sorts.

It makes NO sense to continue to classify us as employees with the way this is worded. If that was the case, they need to take out the part about us requiring a business license, and reword it so it's more like the type of certification a food service *employee* has to get in order to work.

We can't be both employees and businesses simultaneously.

my thought is that it will make you exempt

california is bullying the adult entertainment industry.
I do wonder what the big companies think? what they are doing to fight back? porn companies

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 04:44 PM
my thought is that it will make you exempt

california is bullying the adult entertainment industry.
I do wonder what the big companies think? what they are doing to fight back? porn companies

I don't think the idea/goal of this was to make us exempt. I do think the language could possibly be interpreted that way, but only because it's so poorly worded.

the intro to the bill "declares that all adult entertainment workers are now classified as employees in the State of California as determined by Assembly Bill 5."

so it reiterates our employee status, yet goes on to mandate that we get business licenses - which is straight up nonsensical, and no one else seems to have noticed/pointed this out yet.

it's worth noting that Streamate (and possibly other camsites? not sure) have always had general language in their TOS stating that it is the model's responsibility for getting whatever business licensing, related permits, etc required to work.

"At all times while using the Streamate web interface, Performer/Studio shall have your own business license, pay your own taxes, and take all other actions necessary and required to operate as your own separate and distinct business. Performer/Studio represents and warrants that Performer/Studio will obtain and keep current all business licenses as required by federal, state and local laws relating to you generating revenue under the terms of this Agreement. Performer/Studio is responsible for obtaining any and all registrations, certificates, and licenses and for satisfying all obligations related to Performer/Studio’s payment of taxes under the applicable laws of any country, state or local government." (obviously this is from the general independent contractor agreement, not for new employee status.)

but just because no one gets caught working without a business license doesn't mean it hasn't been the rule all along. all this bill would do is make Streamate enforce a pre-existing rule by actually keeping our permits and licenses on file. (from the bill: "An employer shall keep a copy of the certificate of training completion for each adult entertainer or performer employed for three years following the termination of employment.")

i don't see any reason why Streamate or another camsite would feel the need to "fight back". I don't see how this would negatively impact them, other than perhaps losing some models who refuse or can't afford to get licensed?

xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2020, 06:14 PM
Just thought I'd add this since i just saw it in another group. It was an article talking about how they are gonna vote on the 27th of this month to freeze & moot the AB5 law in CA until they can rewrite it since they are recieving hell & backlash from soooo many others this has affected non sex work related. There is hope ladies :)

It was a twitter post about a guy named Kevin Kiley, he's going to propose they "suspend" the AB5 on the 27th Feb. I hope I read that right. *fingers crossed*

anonamiss
02-20-2020, 07:17 PM
Just thought I'd add this since i just saw it in another group. It was an article talking about how they are gonna vote on the 27th of this month to freeze & moot the AB5 law in CA until they can rewrite it since they are recieving hell & backlash from soooo many others this has affected non sex work related. There is hope ladies :)

It was a twitter post about a guy named Kevin Kiley, he's going to propose they "suspend" the AB5 on the 27th Feb. I hope I read that right. *fingers crossed*

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/assemblyman-kevin-kiley-to-initiate-vote-on-bill-to-temporarily-suspend-ab-5/

here's the article.

"On February 27, Assemblyman Kevin Kiley (R-Rocklin) will initiate a Floor Vote on Assembly Bill 1928, an urgency measure to suspend AB 5 while corrective legislation is under consideration. [...] Over the next several months, the Legislature will consider at least 30 bills changing or removing aspects of the law, including a root-and-branch overhaul by Democrat Senator Cathleen Galgiani. Kiley reported: Urgency measures like AB 1928 take effect immediately and are customarily given expedited consideration. An expedited vote is especially appropriate here given that: the bill would simply restore the prior state of the law from less than two years ago; the issues presented have already been extensively considered in both Assembly and Senate policy committees; a suspension would function as a stopgap measure as legislators try to craft a more workable law through the committee process."

GracieBlue
02-20-2020, 07:33 PM
What do you all think SM will do? If this happens. Would we get to be independent again?
Just thought I'd add this since i just saw it in another group. It was an article talking about how they are gonna vote on the 27th of this month to freeze & moot the AB5 law in CA until they can rewrite it since they are recieving hell & backlash from soooo many others this has affected non sex work related. There is hope ladies :)

It was a twitter post about a guy named Kevin Kiley, he's going to propose they "suspend" the AB5 on the 27th Feb. I hope I read that right. *fingers crossed*

GracieBlue
02-20-2020, 07:34 PM
This article makes things a little bit easier to understand, at least for me.

https://reason.com/2020/02/20/california-bill-would-require-occupational-licenses-for-porn-actors-strippers-cam-girls/

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-20-2020, 07:40 PM
What do you all think SM will do? If this happens. Would we get to be independent again?

After all they put y'all through, I would be amazed if they didn't uphold this just to save face. Because they should not have re-acted so quickly. And the sloppiness...

xxxGothBarbie
02-20-2020, 07:43 PM
But then where would that leave that business/fingerprint law they're trying to impose in 2 years?

GracieBlue
02-20-2020, 07:44 PM
I can actually see that too! But I feel like a lot of us really speak out. Their inbox will be full if it happens! :)
After all they put y'all through, I would be amazed if they didn't uphold this just to save face. Because they should not have re-acted so quickly. And the sloppiness...

Erika_Xstacy
02-20-2020, 08:59 PM
i don't see any reason why Streamate or another camsite would feel the need to "fight back". I don't see how this would negatively impact them, other than perhaps losing some models who refuse or can't afford to get licensed?
i totally missed the employee part.\


i was meaning actual porn companies that have studios forced to make changes for pornstars.
i imagine all of this is costing them more than they like.

MistressX
02-22-2020, 05:26 PM
Ok as per the california ID thing, I am wondering why they didnt contact me because my ID they have on file is still california. I never bothered getting one in texas. It expires this may though so I have to. I wonder if they just knew and didnt take any action due to the fact I had to deal with Liz about my deadbeat studio after I moved to texas. Thankfully I wasnt affected.

GracieBlue
02-22-2020, 05:33 PM
Is your address Texas? That might be why. And if your ID isn't expired, that may be why. Mine was expiring I had to change it.
Ok as per the california ID thing, I am wondering why they didnt contact me because my ID they have on file is still california. I never bothered getting one in texas. It expires this may though so I have to. I wonder if they just knew and didnt take any action due to the fact I had to deal with Liz about my deadbeat studio after I moved to texas. Thankfully I wasnt affected.

GracieBlue
02-24-2020, 03:25 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinKileyCA/status/1231667960827133954

I've been stalking this guys Twitter! Maybe I'm being hopeful… But has anyone asked and gotten a response about if the law is actually repealed or frozen? I wonder if they'll release us. I'm assuming if it's just frozen, they'll probably still keep us as we are right now. Fingers crossed for Thursday!

anonamiss
02-25-2020, 01:28 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinKileyCA/status/1231667960827133954

I've been stalking this guys Twitter! Maybe I'm being hopeful… But has anyone asked and gotten a response about if the law is actually repealed or frozen? I wonder if they'll release us. I'm assuming if it's just frozen, they'll probably still keep us as we are right now. Fingers crossed for Thursday!

I am trying not to be pessimistic but I think it's unlikely to pass due to California politics.

APAG is talking about the revised AB-5 bill, AB 1850, on their twitter feed.
http://apagunion.com/2020/02/25/ab-1850-the-ab5-clean-up-bill-are-cam-performers-exempt/

^they posted this article, however my issue is I don't see what has actually been changed that would be relevant to cammodels? I compared both the original striked-out text and the new text, and the "business-to-business" exemption (what APAG quoted on that article) is exactly the same as before.
here's the old and revised bill text: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1850

GracieBlue
02-26-2020, 05:38 PM
I've read so many things lately I can't keep it all straight. I thought that APAG had sat down with the creator of AB5 and wrote out some kind of exemption for cammodels that was being proposed. But I can also see SM interpreting it in their own way and keeping things as is.

I am trying not to be pessimistic but I think it's unlikely to pass due to California politics.

APAG is talking about the revised AB-5 bill, AB 1850, on their twitter feed.
http://apagunion.com/2020/02/25/ab-1850-the-ab5-clean-up-bill-are-cam-performers-exempt/

^they posted this article, however my issue is I don't see what has actually been changed that would be relevant to cammodels? I compared both the original striked-out text and the new text, and the "business-to-business" exemption (what APAG quoted on that article) is exactly the same as before.
here's the old and revised bill text: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB1850

Blovely
02-27-2020, 10:27 AM
an article talking about how they are gonna vote on the 27th of this month to freeze & moot the AB5 law in CA until they can rewrite it since they are recieving hell & backlash from soooo many others this has affected non sex work related.

a guy named Kevin Kiley, he's going to propose they "suspend" the AB5 on the 27th Feb.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/nXxOjZrbnbRxS/giphy.gif
Good!!! The govt is really showing their ass lately. I'm glad people are speaking up and aren't letting the govt get away with this fuckery. The govt is getting a little to full of themselves lately, they need to bring it down a notch with their fuckery.

GracieBlue
02-27-2020, 10:38 AM
I hate to be a Debbie downer. It's not looking good though. This makes me grateful that SM did something for us California performers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RonAssembly/status/1233081913960620032

Genoveve
02-27-2020, 01:22 PM
Is anyone else's ACH deposit wrong? It says in the employee portal that it's for the period of the last two weeks, but it's only the amount of the earnings of the second week, the first week's worth is missing.

GracieBlue
02-27-2020, 01:35 PM
Mine is correct. I still need to figure out the tax thing. I switched it up and it didn't make much difference. Hope you get it figured out!

Genoveve
02-27-2020, 01:42 PM
It also says I worked 57.35 hours for the two weeks when I worked under 27.

Erika_Xstacy
02-27-2020, 05:45 PM
I hate to be a Debbie downer. It's not looking good though. This makes me grateful that SM did something for us California performers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RonAssembly/status/1233081913960620032

yup and all that shit talking some ppl did .. sm saved models asses and their own- i dont see no shade in that. i am very thankful to know we sustain enough on the back end of streamate that they didnt have to suddenly toss models like other sites. SM came at it full force struggling and working out kinks to have models stream.

i know yall went through hell but in the end california models are still streaming on streamate :)