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anonamiss
11-03-2019, 08:48 PM
https://youtu.be/teyQvzJeqJE?t=5481

Here is another podcast where they talk about AB-5 (they start chatting about it around 1:31:21). The discussion is all over the place and frankly kind of annoying IMO, but there are some good bits in there (personally I'm just watching/reading anything I can find that involves our industry and AB5).

xxxGothBarbie
11-03-2019, 10:17 PM
^ Well it looks as though as long as you aren't part of a studio, you would be excempt from this bs law correct? I mean, if we aren't all working in a studio obviously, most of us work in our homes or hotel rooms, etc. I can see that being applied to porn stars though bc they are working under contract at specific companies like Vivid, Bang Bros, etc. We don't.

Streamate even says we aren't employees , same as Niteflirt. That shit is so not gonna hold up when it goes into effect on Jan 1st.

Besides, what exactly MAKES us independant contractors other than the fact we get 1099s? I looked thru those articles & I'm not seeing how they could pinpoint us to be affected really. Maybe I'm missing something , but I doubt it.

anonamiss
11-04-2019, 12:21 AM
^ Well it looks as though as long as you aren't part of a studio, you would be excempt from this bs law correct? I mean, if we aren't all working in a studio obviously, most of us work in our homes or hotel rooms, etc. I can see that being applied to porn stars though bc they are working under contract at specific companies like Vivid, Bang Bros, etc. We don't.

Streamate even says we aren't employees , same as Niteflirt. That shit is so not gonna hold up when it goes into effect on Jan 1st.

Besides, what exactly MAKES us independant contractors other than the fact we get 1099s? I looked thru those articles & I'm not seeing how they could pinpoint us to be affected really. Maybe I'm missing something , but I doubt it.
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it doesn't really matter what the company "says" we are though -- Uber and Lyft say their workers aren't employees, but that's exactly the point of the bill. California wants to change how worker status is regulated. (other states as well as several democratic presidential candidates are also in support of implementing something similar one day at the federal level -- so this could hypothetically eventually affect all of us in the US).

the issue that makes cammodels possibly not be compliant with AB-5 is the "B" portion of the ABC test, which states that in order to be classified as an independent contractor "the worker must perform work that is outside the usual course of the hiring entity’s business."

One of the articles I posted above summarized it this way: "Are you doing work that isn’t central to the company’s business? Could the company exist without the work you do? Is the service you provide the one its business model depends on?"

In the case of cammodels, you could argue we are absolutely central to the business of camsites and could therefore be classified as employees under this law. (you could also argue that camsites are just technology/streaming platforms and the essence of our work is not 'essential' to the company -- but that's kind of a stretch.) with the way we work (choosing our own hours, working from home, not being directed by the site, etc.) we should very much be classified as contractors, but at the same time we don't necessarily meet the requirements of this new law. the law is written way too vaguely for our industry and was written with companies like Uber and Lyft in mind. but lots of industries have become "exempt" and that is what we need to hope for.

it's just going to be a waiting game for us until any legal cases take place that can set a precedent for us.

queenelayliah
12-02-2019, 06:06 AM
According to this article

https://webcamstartup.com/california-ab5/

“In a recent Clips4Sale Legal Zone Webinar, Cory Silverstein discusses a recent case between a PSO network and the State of California Labor Board. In the case, California ruled that phone sex operators are employees and not independent contractors. The case law is already on the books, and that is the reality within California. Given the synergies between a phone sex operator, clip producer and camming model, it’s fair to speculate that California will rule similarly with the other performer-types in our industry.”

I make most of my money from pso. I cant work outside the home and hold a “regular” job because of my health problems. Even though im not in California im super concern. I live paycheck to paycheck, if my main 2 sites NF & uslove shut down. I wont be able to pay that months bills, Plus it would take atleast 2 months to find a job, so thats 3 months of no money. What the fuck will i do? I have $200 in savings & I barely can afford living now so i dont have anything to out towards savings. AND January 2020 is next month!

I want to cry.

anonamiss
12-02-2019, 03:51 PM
According to this article

https://webcamstartup.com/california-ab5/

“In a recent Clips4Sale Legal Zone Webinar, Cory Silverstein discusses a recent case between a PSO network and the State of California Labor Board. In the case, California ruled that phone sex operators are employees and not independent contractors. The case law is already on the books, and that is the reality within California. Given the synergies between a phone sex operator, clip producer and camming model, it’s fair to speculate that California will rule similarly with the other performer-types in our industry.”

I make most of my money from pso. I cant work outside the home and hold a “regular” job because of my health problems. Even though im not in California im super concern. I live paycheck to paycheck, if my main 2 sites NF & uslove shut down. I wont be able to pay that months bills, Plus it would take atleast 2 months to find a job, so thats 3 months of no money. What the fuck will i do? I have $200 in savings & I barely can afford living now so i dont have anything to out towards savings. AND January 2020 is next month!

I want to cry.

That case was in relation to a PSO dispatch company which is different than a site like niteflirt. With dispatch companies you basically have no choice of which calls you take which is much more like what you expect from an employee so it makes sense it was ruled that way.

Still, I would say cut your budget back as much as absolutely possible, work as many hours as possible, stockpile your savings as much as you can. Also, you're not in California, so try signing up for more sites that aren't from CA, and start making money there.

As I've said earlier in this thread, it's likely that various industries will fight and lobby to be exempt from this, and camgirls/independent PSOs/clip makers not working for studios really don't make sense as employees. (In other words I would be very surprised if we are forced to become employees, or if they fire all of the CA models. But we will see )

queenelayliah
12-03-2019, 03:51 PM
That case was in relation to a PSO dispatch company which is different than a site like niteflirt. With dispatch companies you basically have no choice of which calls you take which is much more like what you expect from an employee so it makes sense it was ruled that way.

Still, I would say cut your budget back as much as absolutely possible, work as many hours as possible, stockpile your savings as much as you can. Also, you're not in California, so try signing up for more sites that aren't from CA, and start making money there.



Ahhh i see. Thanks for informing me.

Sadly my budget is already stripped to the bones because i barely make enough to pay my bills. The month of November i was actually short $500! Because nf has been soo slow for me. Anyway sadly i dont know any other pso companies thats not in California. I tried looking it up on google but get the same top 5. Nf, ttm, uslove, chatrecurit & phonestars.

xxxGothBarbie
12-03-2019, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about this new "law". I srsly doubt it will stick, too many ppl are gonna be out of jobs in CA & are def gonna leave the state bc of it. Ca is in debt & this is prob another way of extorting more $ out of the masses that are there & classified as IC.

Besides, from what I've read & gathered about it, there's gonna be a lot of loopholes around it. I'm not worried about it anymore.

All I can say is this: I feel like it's centered more so around Uber, Lyft & app type gigs that are trying to dictate their workers when to work & not. We as sex workers aren't in the same box IMO. Some companies somehow somewhere will def fight this asap. There's too much of a public need for these apps like I mentioned for them to lose workers over something like this. I mean come on, esp in an overpopulated place like CA, to be short on workers for those delivery/mobile apps that are used by the thousands everyday?!? Just like how the health insurance requirement law didn't stick for very long, neither will this.

pjpenny447
12-03-2019, 06:40 PM
this law sucks :(. I can't believe their doing this to entertainer!!

Mal707
12-04-2019, 08:27 PM
I just read on sex work Twitter that Streamate will be forcing us to join a studio and be classified as employees or our streaming will be disabled :( . We’ll be hearing about this next week. I’m thinking of just dropping them for now and focusing on the token sites until those sites also force a studio

anonamiss
12-04-2019, 09:19 PM
I just read on sex work Twitter that Streamate will be forcing us to join a studio and be classified as employees or our streaming will be disabled :( . We’ll be hearing about this next week. I’m thinking of just dropping them for now and focusing on the token sites until those sites also force a studio

source?

if you don't want to post it here can you please PM me with the direct link where you read this?

LizzyMe
12-04-2019, 09:43 PM
I found recent info about how the Assembly Bill 5 will affect California cam models, and especially the models on Streamate. https://webcamstartup.com/ab5-streamate/

anonamiss
12-04-2019, 09:55 PM
I found recent info about how the Assembly Bill 5 will affect California cam models, and especially the models on Streamate. https://webcamstartup.com/ab5-streamate/

wonder who the mysterious California model was that Streamate sent that message that was included in this article to... and why did they send her all this insider info before announcing it officially? ugh. I also wonder who the "streamate representative" was that responded. Someone else in this thread apparently got a super basic response from Liz saying that CA models would be safe from AB-5 (which is apparently not the case now), and it was nothing near as complex as the message quoted in that article.

"In order to reside in California and be a model on Streamate, you’ll need to be “employed” by a third-party company (business) that follows California state employment guidelines."

so I wonder if what I was saying earlier in the thread would apply... where self employed models in CA could effectively incorporate as their own business/"studio", and become "employees" of themselves (and pay out your own benefits/insurance/etc), in order to comply with/get around the regulations.

i'd much rather do that than actually work for some random third party company. I'm hesitant to contact SM directly about this idea but perhaps I will reach out to Liz soon to see what kind of info I can get.

anonamiss
12-04-2019, 10:01 PM
also in regards to the "what to do if you're a cammodel in California" part of the article at the end, it says:

"Prepare a back up plan, if camming and clip producing is your full time consider moving, registering your business out of state, or using the address of a relative or close friends out of state for your taxes."

registering your business out of state likely will not work and is IMO bad advice. I wrote about the requirements for doing this earlier in the thread and it sounds like it would still tie you back to working in California no matter what state you register in, which doesn't sound like it will help you get around the law. Also during the C4S legal seminar posted earlier in the thread, one of the attorneys said that incorporating out of state would not solve the issue because you are still *working* within the state lines, and that is what matters.

I also thought that using the address of a relative/friend out of state as your own would be considered some kind of tax fraud... I could be wrong but I wouldn't recommend it without doing some serious research first.

anonamiss
12-04-2019, 10:05 PM
i suppose some upside/silver lining is... at least they aren't firing us outright. keeping our accounts disabled until some legal precedence is set or until the third party employer situation comes into play is obviously not ideal, but it's way better than just being kicked off the site for good because they don't want to deal with it at all.

Mal707
12-04-2019, 10:10 PM
source?

if you don't want to post it here can you please PM me with the direct link where you read this?

Some camgirl on Twitter had some correspondence with them and received that letter. If you’re on Twitter, my name is GoofyKitty4U, and I retweeted the tweet I saw because I didn’t want to lose it.

Mal707
12-04-2019, 10:13 PM
Crap, now it’s not in my retweets. I don’t know what happened. I suck at social media, sry lol Hopefully this all works out

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
12-04-2019, 10:18 PM
Crap, now it’s not in my retweets. I don’t know what happened. I suck at social media, sry lol Hopefully this all works out

She was asked to delete the tweet.

xxxGothBarbie
12-04-2019, 11:14 PM
also in regards to the "what to do if you're a cammodel in California" part of the article at the end, it says:

"Prepare a back up plan, if camming and clip producing is your full time consider moving, registering your business out of state, or using the address of a relative or close friends out of state for your taxes."

registering your business out of state likely will not work and is IMO bad advice. I wrote about the requirements for doing this earlier in the thread and it sounds like it would still tie you back to working in California no matter what state you register in, which doesn't sound like it will help you get around the law. Also during the C4S legal seminar posted earlier in the thread, one of the attorneys said that incorporating out of state would not solve the issue because you are still *working* within the state lines, and that is what matters.

I also thought that using the address of a relative/friend out of state as your own would be considered some kind of tax fraud... I could be wrong but I wouldn't recommend it without doing some serious research first.

so does this mean that even if you don't live in ca we are still affected? I'm confused. Sm is based out of WA correct?

Mal707
12-05-2019, 12:20 AM
so does this mean that even if you don't live in ca we are still affected? I'm confused. Sm is based out of WA correct?

It’s just CA Streamate models who they want to join a studio because the law only applies in CA

MilfSM
12-05-2019, 03:00 PM
wonder who the mysterious California model was that Streamate sent that message that was included in this article to... and why did they send her all this insider info before announcing it officially? ugh. I also wonder who the "streamate representative" was that responded. Someone else in this thread apparently got a super basic response from Liz saying that CA models would be safe from AB-5 (which is apparently not the case now), and it was nothing near as complex as the message quoted in that article.

"In order to reside in California and be a model on Streamate, you’ll need to be “employed” by a third-party company (business) that follows California state employment guidelines."

so I wonder if what I was saying earlier in the thread would apply... where self employed models in CA could effectively incorporate as their own business/"studio", and become "employees" of themselves (and pay out your own benefits/insurance/etc), in order to comply with/get around the regulations.

i'd much rather do that than actually work for some random third party company. I'm hesitant to contact SM directly about this idea but perhaps I will reach out to Liz soon to see what kind of info I can get.


It's me I'm the mystery model. They later dmed me to delete it. Why me? IDK but I wasn't the only one who got it

MilfSM
12-05-2019, 03:03 PM
Also was informed today that there is no loophole. Not everyone will be hired on SM. LLC won't work even out of state. no s-corp or c-corp either. We're just sitting ducks for a few days longer.

naomi_doll
12-05-2019, 03:10 PM
It's me I'm the mystery model. They later dmed me to delete it. Why me? IDK but I wasn't the only one who got it


Did they tell you why you needed to delete it? Who told you incorporating would not work?

MilfSM
12-05-2019, 03:13 PM
Did they tell you why you needed to delete it? Who told you incorporating would not work?

Vanessa. and @porn law told me about no llc or corp. They (sm) said it's a case by case basis and individual emails will be sent out and that that message was just for a few?

MilfSM
12-05-2019, 03:16 PM
https://twitter.com/pornlaw/status/1202696070989565959

MilfSM
12-05-2019, 03:19 PM
https://twitter.com/APAGunion/status/1202675111536603136

HaydenBlue
12-05-2019, 08:44 PM
I've emailed multiple sites, asking specifically about AB5 and if they have plans in place for models to continue working or if there will be any deactivation / banning models from California. Here's the replies I've gotten so far:



XVideos very helpful sentence, lol. They are out of the US so probably safe? IDK how it would work:


Hello,
I don't think it relates to us in any way.
Regards




ManyVids thinks no issue:



Based on the information that I've seen, since our MV Stars are not contractors or employees of MV - this shouldn't change anything.

I'll send the details and inquiry off to our Management Team - and if there's anything to report or update you on, we'll be sure to communicate it to you.

Thank you,

MV Support




SextPanther Admin says no issue:


Regarding California AB5, SextPanther is still exempt from this and this has been confirmed by our legal team. Since you are able to set your own prices, work when you want, and this is not your main source of income, you would not be considered an employee under the new law and therefore there is no change on our end.




NiteFlirt says no, but be on standby if anything changes:



If we need to make any changes related to AB5 or any other law we will notify all affected NiteFlirt Members as soon as possible. As noted in the NiteFlirt Terms of Service, as a Flirt, you are not an employee, agent or contractor of NiteFlirt, and you shall not represent that you are any of the foregoing. We believe that Flirts are correctly classified and do not anticipate any changes.

Regards,
Play Fair



I'll update again as more sites get back to me.

JaneB
12-05-2019, 10:59 PM
I've emailed multiple sites, asking specifically about AB5 and if they have plans in place for models to continue working or if there will be any deactivation / banning models from California. Here's the replies I've gotten so far:



XVideos very helpful sentence, lol. They are out of the US so probably safe? IDK how it would work:






ManyVids thinks no issue:






SextPanther Admin says no issue:






NiteFlirt says no, but be on standby if anything changes:






I'll update again as more sites get back to me.


I dont think these sites have really looked into the law or actually talked to their legal teams about it. From what the attorneys that work in the adult industry say, these sites will have to abide by the rules just like the cam sites do. How does SP know they arent the main income for some people? I know performers that are pulling in 6 grand a month on there

anonamiss
12-05-2019, 11:08 PM
I dont think these sites have really looked into the law or actually talked to their legal teams about it. From what the attorneys that work in the adult industry say, these sites will have to abide by the rules just like the cam sites do. How does SP know they arent the main income for some people? I know performers that are pulling in 6 grand a month on there

agreed. I would be extremely hesitant to trust any site that definitively says you'll have no issues. there is a lot of in depth legal discussion going on and there is just no way any of these companies should be that confident about it at this point.

HaydenBlue
12-05-2019, 11:26 PM
agreed. I would be extremely hesitant to trust any site that definitively says you'll have no issues. there is a lot of in depth legal discussion going on and there is just no way any of these companies should be that confident about it at this point.

Yes I had that thought too. They all seem very casual about it. So I guess the thing to worry about is if some of these sites get notices needing to immediately comply with AB5 and no plan in place the easiest thing to do is drop models. California models could be suddenly without a job and no backup. And what if other states try to follow this? It’s a scary thought.

lucieloveelkonv
12-05-2019, 11:32 PM
yes this is rediculous, we are supposed to be independent contractors, laws should be changing in OUR favor, not the other way around!!

anonamiss
12-05-2019, 11:38 PM
Yes I had that thought too. They all seem very casual about it. So I guess the thing to worry about is if some of these sites get notices needing to immediately comply with AB5 and no plan in place the easiest thing to do is drop models. California models could be suddenly without a job and no backup. And what if other states try to follow this? It’s a scary thought.

many states are interested in or are already following suit.

https://www.multistate.us/insider/2019/11/14/beyond-california-ab-5-states-address-independent-contractors

also, several democratic presidential candidates have expressed interest in enacting something similar on the federal level.

it's also worth noting that if you are a California model and you get fired from a site due to AB-5, you may be able to sue the company for backpay, because the law may be retroactive through April of 2018.

more info here, plus you can sign up to be a part of conference call between lawyers and reps from the California Labor Federation and members of the adult film community:
http://apagunion.com/2019/12/06/ab5-and-employees-in-adult-meeting-dec-16/

HaydenBlue
12-05-2019, 11:57 PM
many states are interested in or are already following suit.

https://www.multistate.us/insider/2019/11/14/beyond-california-ab-5-states-address-independent-contractors

also, several democratic presidential candidates have expressed interest in enacting something similar on the federal level.

it's also worth noting that if you are a California model and you get fired from a site due to AB-5, you may be able to sue the company for backpay, because the law may be retroactive through April of 2018.

more info here, plus you can sign up to be a part of conference call between lawyers and reps from the California Labor Federation and members of the adult film community:
http://apagunion.com/2019/12/06/ab5-and-employees-in-adult-meeting-dec-16/

Fuck that map is scary. I didn’t know there was that much interest / push on other states besides California. And Nevada too?? :(

HaydenBlue
12-06-2019, 12:47 AM
BoleynModels support response:


We are looking into it right now and are prepared to hire employees. What such an agreement will look like is to be determined while we work out the details. In short, we are committed to keeping CA employees on the payroll. Streamate is the only site so far that has had the response to fire all CA models or transfer them to an LA-based studio. Our own lawyer saw nothing in the new law that would effect regular and properly classified 1099 contract employees, which cammodels certainly are. We are in the process of consulting with a bigger law firm in Chicago and may have some more solid answers within a week or two.

IF (and big IF) it were necessary to switch CA people to regular employee status, it would dramatically change how you're paid and how you work. You would be required to maintain between 20 and 30 hours a week on Streamate, and maintain an target hourly earnings average to remain employed. You could not work more than 4 hours consecutively without a 30 minute break, and no more than 8 hours a day total. You would receive a minimum wage ($12 to $15/hour) + tips/commissions, but the commission rate would be much lower than our normal 30%. We would then be paying into the California benefits programs, including unemployment insurance primarily. Healthcare plans are not required to be paid for or provided. You would receive 2 weeks paid vacation per year. All federal and CA deductions to your check would apply, including FATCA and Social Security, as well as all normal employment taxes and employee withholding.

This kind of overhead for administration means we will need to hire an extra employee for HR, which will directly impact the above commission rates and will mean employment will be based on your ability to continuously hit sales targets. This would be by our own rules which will ensure uniform record keeping and hit minimum targets for not just general CA labor laws, but for each CA city that passed its own labor laws.

https://www.worklawyers.com/commission-payments-california-employment/

Again, it looks like Streamate is going ahead under the assumption that they need to switch to employees and will be moving people to a local studio. Nobody else has said anything yet, nor do they seem worried about it.

Personally, if camming is your main source of income, I would start looking for a more friendly place to live that has good internet and lower cost of living. More than half our CA models have moved to another state in the last year, most in the Las Vegas suburbs. I know the law was intended to be good, but it really will mess with your pay and freedom won't provide much in the way of benefits.

KatyBoleyn
12-06-2019, 01:10 AM
BoleynModels support response:

Just to clarify this a bit, this is the response we've been giving in private tickets. Its fine here though.

But it needs to be said that the rules outlined there are if/when we take this up and would work with our system. It may not be how someone else would do it. This is the safest compliance standard we could come up with balancing several factors. This is also still not in its final form. We're not even 100% at this point if SM will allow other 3rd parties to handle CA models.

HaydenBlue
12-06-2019, 01:25 AM
I apologize Katy, I should have asked before posting.

anonamiss
12-06-2019, 02:09 AM
Can anyone knowledgeable chime in on whether or not this would affect models working for indie sites like LCMS or CMD? I feel like that hasn't been discussed at all.

It seems like a different situation than the big box sites that take a bigger cut, since indie sites are more like a payment processor that you generally drive your own traffic to, which seems like it would make sense for us to remain classified as contractors.

I hope this is the case, because my temporary plan until all this gets worked out with bigger sites is to just try to get as many existing customers as I can over to indie.

Kitcatt
12-06-2019, 02:48 AM
I'm curious about the smaller indy sites as well. It seems like they could argue their site is more of a marketplace, like an etsy of porn.

xxxGothBarbie
12-06-2019, 09:26 AM
Can anyone knowledgeable chime in on whether or not this would affect models working for indie sites like LCMS or CMD? I feel like that hasn't been discussed at all.

It seems like a different situation than the big box sites that take a bigger cut, since indie sites are more like a payment processor that you generally drive your own traffic to, which seems like it would make sense for us to remain classified as contractors.

I hope this is the case, because my temporary plan until all this gets worked out with bigger sites is to just try to get as many existing customers as I can over to indie.

I was just thinking about that last night actually. I mean hell if they are gonna fire ppl anyway, may as well take your clientele elsewhere. It's so fucked that they'd just fire models bc they dont make a certain amount of money. I really hope this thing stops before it spreads like the plague it is becoming.

xxxGothBarbie
12-06-2019, 09:31 AM
many states are interested in or are already following suit.

https://www.multistate.us/insider/2019/11/14/beyond-california-ab-5-states-address-independent-contractors

also, several democratic presidential candidates have expressed interest in enacting something similar on the federal level.

it's also worth noting that if you are a California model and you get fired from a site due to AB-5, you may be able to sue the company for backpay, because the law may be retroactive through April of 2018.

more info here, plus you can sign up to be a part of conference call between lawyers and reps from the California Labor Federation and members of the adult film community:
http://apagunion.com/2019/12/06/ab5-and-employees-in-adult-meeting-dec-16/

So does the yellow states mean they're gonna do it to or they are just considering it? I'm confused

naomi_doll
12-06-2019, 01:44 PM
What is Twitch, Mixer, YouTube or any other streaming platform planning on doing? It looks like at any rate, Uber and other ride share companies plan on fighting it. There are a lot of gig jobs that this effects, so it will be interesting to see how they plan on convincing the court that they are independent contractors. (and they will definitely try)

My state is in the group of states that have other worker classification laws and states that one of the requirements is:

The service is performed either outside the usual course of the business for which the service is performed or is performed outside of all the places of business of the enterprise for which the service is performed

So not every state is passing the exact same law, and of course those laws are entirely dependent on how the court interprets them.

HaydenBlue
12-06-2019, 04:35 PM
Interesting article about AB5 & Youtubers: https://www.emilydbaker.com/ab5youtube/



Yes, AB 5 has a number of exceptions that some may improperly apply to YouTube creators. The problem is that there is an exemption to one of the main exceptions. That being an exception for still photographers or photojournalists. But in that exception there is an exemption. This clause is not applicable to an individual who works on motion pictures, which includes, but is not limited to, projects produced for theatrical, television, internet streaming for any device….. I understand that the temptation is to immediately argue that a YouTube video is not a Motion Picture. However, it is. The labor code in a different section defines motion picture in part as any other moving images, including those created for entertainment purposes transmitted by web cast or any other technology that is nor in use.


Truck Drivers are also rallying to fight this. It is hitting them big time too: https://www.joc.com/port-news/us-ports/california-trucker-complaint-seeks-overturn-ab5_20191112.html

BubblyBlonde
12-06-2019, 04:53 PM
I'm really freaking out, but at the same time I wonder why all my gig company friends are not freaking out. I just talked to an Uber driver and he said Uber is not going to make anyone an employee instead they are making changes to make it so the drivers have more control and choices over their rides. Showing them where the person is going and how long the trip is and opposed to being a surprise. I think that in camming out business is very much independent contractor/freelance. No one is giving us a schedule or forcing us to do work we don't want to do.

I worked at a few CA strip clubs several years ago and they forced me into a schedule even though I was an independent contractor. I also worked for a real estate agent who claimed I was an independent contractor, but she delegated work to me, and made me work a schedule. I feel like this law should be out to protect people in those situations as opposed to people who really are independent contractors.

The last thing I want to do is to have to leave my house to sit in a studio and make less money. I'm really hoping nothing happens to us. AB5 is going to hurt a lot of people and the economy and I think it's a big mistake.

PixiieGirl
12-06-2019, 05:07 PM
I dont think these sites have really looked into the law or actually talked to their legal teams about it. From what the attorneys that work in the adult industry say, these sites will have to abide by the rules just like the cam sites do. How does SP know they arent the main income for some people? I know performers that are pulling in 6 grand a month on there

Im reminded again of age ID - I contacted sites when that was still a thing and so many said they where compliant already anyway when they werent, it was weird to me that they seemed to have no idea what it was

Erika_Xstacy
12-09-2019, 08:38 AM
I’d start emailing companies and asking for the new contract to be signed.
New contracts
New laws
New signatures


let’s pray other states don’t follow California.

Girly_Girl
12-09-2019, 07:18 PM
I'm in one of the states that it says it's introduced, so what does that mean? Does that mean it may not pass or will it more than likely be passed?

Glamourmilf
12-10-2019, 08:19 AM
Update: Heard from Streamate. (in an email).
A 3rd party company named Cal Gems LLC will be hiring California models as employees.
The choice is to work part time, or full time.
Included will be sick leave, worker's comp, 2 weeks paid vacation, possibly health insurance (for full time employees).
*No mention on if the pay will be minimum wage, salary, or??
How about tips?
Will report back when I have the definitive answers on that.

Erika_Xstacy
12-10-2019, 10:09 AM
https://fortune.com/2019/12/03/ab5-law-gig-economy-california-new-jersey/
Jersey sounds hopeful

anonamiss
12-10-2019, 03:59 PM
Update: Heard from Streamate. (in an email).
A 3rd party company named Cal Gems LLC will be hiring California models as employees.
The choice is to work part time, or full time.
Included will be sick leave, worker's comp, 2 weeks paid vacation, possibly health insurance (for full time employees).
*No mention on if the pay will be minimum wage, salary, or??
How about tips?
Will report back when I have the definitive answers on that.

There is no way it's gonna be salaried. That just wouldn't make sense with the way cammodeling works.

My guess is it will be structured in such a way that they pay minimum wage then a percentage commission on top. My hope is it's no less than 25%. That wouldn't be much different than what we currently take home with taxes taken out. I feel like that's the only way that would still allow us the flexibility and financial potential we are used to, while being compliant with the new law.

Interesting tidbit: https://opengovwa.com/corporation/604536456

Found CalGems. Incorporated in Seattle, WA in November. So I assume it is directly related to Streamate.

SamanthaSugar
12-10-2019, 09:08 PM
Since I received the email from Streamate, I've been feeling a little out of sorts all day. Fingers crossed that things work out in our favor, and if they don't maybe this is the nudge I need to finally retire from camming (been doing it for 10 years) and to give my business 100% of my attention. The Universe has a way of telling us what we need to do, and maybe this is a message that its time to bow out.

xxxGothBarbie
12-10-2019, 09:24 PM
I'm not gonna be a resident there at all if they are gonna really do this shit. Nope, no way! We already get such a low percentage anyway, & I'm not gonna work my ass off only to make peanuts. California can keep their greed ugh.