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GracieBlue
12-14-2019, 04:30 PM
I'm just kind of wondering like I said before if they just have a few people that approve IDs. Maybe they don't even look at the age of the account because I feel like you can open an account with streamate but then you have to get the approval to broadcast, if that makes sense.
No worries! I appreciate the support! I just want it to be Monday already
Sorry, I knew that. I was just trying to think of a reason it triggered an issue. I've heard SM support is hit or miss (and sometimes a lot more miss than hit). I'm so sorry you are having issues, I had a hard time changing my id everywhere when I moved too.
anonamiss
12-14-2019, 05:08 PM
But this has me thinking…What if a current model from Colorado moves to California? are they not able to apply to CalGems? Are they just closed down as well?
I was thinking about this too. I would hope that if you are an existing model they would work with you if you move from out of state to California. You may have to speak with Liz or a specific higher up person at SM/CalGems to explain the details. They clearly have some set of requirements to be eligible for employment, so they could still hypothetically trace your past model payment/hours history the way they've presumably been doing for current CA models.
But it also makes sense that they probably won't be accepting any brand new California based models anymore, as there's no way to vet them/their experience with camming to know if they'll be "good enough" to meet their employment standards.
anonamiss
12-14-2019, 05:19 PM
Thank you! I hope so too!
No, because I work for Boleyn models. Everything is updated in their system because they are the ones that pay me. I was actually taking a look the other day to figure out how to change my address with SM and I couldn't figure that out. I just got the pop up on my dashboard probably a couple of weeks ago that my ID was expiring.
I also am wondering or at least trying to make myself feel better LOL if SM has certain members of support that do/approve different things. I'm wondering if they have one person that verifies all IDs and they saw the California one pop up and just immediately closed it. So maybe ID verification just goes all to the same person whether you are new or old.
you said you reached out to Liz and Vanessa, but since you work with Boleyn have you reached out to Katy? Perhaps she could help too.
I remember when my CA ID was close to expiring, I got my updated ID and uploaded it ASAP. It took support nearly two weeks to approve it. My account got suspended for a few days because support was so slow. I submitted the new one with more than enough time, and then the expiration date hit and it still hadn't been approved yet. So my account got disabled. I had to bug Liz to make it happen.
GracieBlue
12-14-2019, 05:52 PM
Oh yes! I've been in contact with Katy everyday this week. It's interesting on the email they sent me they basically just said blocked state CA. Also if you search sm for me I'm still there.
you said you reached out to Liz and Vanessa, but since you work with Boleyn have you reached out to Katy? Perhaps she could help too.
I remember when my CA ID was close to expiring, I got my updated ID and uploaded it ASAP. It took support nearly two weeks to approve it. My account got suspended for a few days because support was so slow. I submitted the new one with more than enough time, and then the expiration date hit and it still hadn't been approved yet. So my account got disabled. I had to bug Liz to make it happen.
Glamourmilf
12-15-2019, 08:46 AM
@APAG is holding a webinar ( free) on AB5 tomorrow, ( Monday), via Zoom.
10 am PST
Register by email via their Twitter link, website, etc.
Erika_Xstacy
12-16-2019, 03:47 PM
@APAG is holding a webinar ( free) on AB5 tomorrow, ( Monday), via Zoom.
10 am PST
Register by email via their Twitter link, website, etc.
how did this go?
anonamiss
12-16-2019, 05:08 PM
Heads up California Streamate models -- just got the CalGems email. Go check your inboxes.
It literally doesn't go into any detail about compensation or hourly requirements whatsoever and basically implies that we have to accept employment before they send us any real information.
What the fuck.
BubblyBlonde
12-16-2019, 05:19 PM
how did this go?
Here's my take away from the call. When this Bill was passed in 2018 they thought they were helping the workforce. They still think they are helping the workforce. What sucks is it took us so long to find out that this was effecting us, but on the bright side the cam industry can still apply to be exempt. That is the good news.
Streamate seems to be the only platform making these quick changes to CA models. They are at this moment either firing or hiring models. Streamate was not on the call, but many other platforms were. There will not be any penalties to any companies who do not make an IC an employee by January 1. They will still be making changes to the bill. There is hope!
Glamourmilf
12-16-2019, 05:21 PM
I got hired by CalGems.
I signed the contract.
So happy right now!
anonamiss
12-16-2019, 05:26 PM
I got hired by CalGems.
I signed the contract.
So happy right now!
Did they send you any details about pay or hourly requirements?
The "contract" they initially sent me was incredibly vague.
GracieBlue
12-16-2019, 05:27 PM
Got my account opened and got hired by CalGems! It's literally a Christmas miracle!
TrifilinCamHo
12-16-2019, 05:37 PM
Heads up California Streamate models -- just got the CalGems email. Go check your inboxes.
It literally doesn't go into any detail about compensation or hourly requirements whatsoever and basically implies that we have to accept employment before they send us any real information.
What the fuck.
This was my reaction as well, was actually kind of shocked that they expect us to sign it and begin enrollment with how vague it was especially in regards to pay. I'm not signing shiiiiit until I know more.
anonamiss
12-16-2019, 05:43 PM
This was my reaction as well, was actually kind of shocked that they expected us to sign it and begin enrollment with how vague it was especially in regards to pay. I'm not signing anything until I know more.
What this implies to me is that they just aren't prepared yet. Maybe they ran into some unexpected legal snags and it's taking longer to write up contracts that are compliant with AB-5. I suspect they're just pulling us along to keep us interested, since they initially said they'd get back to us within a few days. The doc they sent today seems rather pointless from a legal perspective.
The document does not constitute employment. None of us are employed or "hired" yet, unless they sent out different documents to different models.
On the one I got, it literally says "Your employment is contingent on signing Cal Gem's policies and agreements, including the Commission Plan, the Working Hours Policy, the Dispute Resolution Agreement, and the Employee Handbook" (and that they would send those AFTER we sign the document they sent today.)
So unless someone here got access to all four of those additional documents and signed them before the rest of us, you are still not an employee yet.
BubblyBlonde
12-16-2019, 05:44 PM
This was my reaction as well, was actually kind of shocked that they expect us to sign it and begin enrollment with how vague it was especially in regards to pay. I'm not signing shiiiiit until I know more.
APAG advises on Twitter not to sign anything until it's looked over by an attorney. They said they sent it to theirs.
anonamiss
12-16-2019, 06:27 PM
Here's my take away from the call. When this Bill was passed in 2018 they thought they were helping the workforce. They still think they are helping the workforce. What sucks is it took us so long to find out that this was effecting us, but on the bright side the cam industry can still apply to be exempt. That is the good news.
Streamate seems to be the only platform making these quick changes to CA models. They are at this moment either firing or hiring models. Streamate was not on the call, but many other platforms were. There will not be any penalties to any companies who do not make an IC an employee by January 1. They will still be making changes to the bill. There is hope!
I was unable to catch the live call, so I hope they post a recording somewhere. Here is the summary from the @APAGUnion Twitter:
"- California Labor stated Jan 1st is not the magic due date, Cali is still coming up with enforcement
- California Labor is open to hearing models/comp concerns and suggestions due to in 2020 they will be correcting parts of the bill to make it better or possible exemptions
- California Labor seemed confused why Streamate was taking this action so swiftly during the meeting
- Keep in mind the exemption must fit the language for all gig workers to be included by the author
- Then congress has to vote and the gov would have to sign w/in 30 days
- California labor federation legislator seemed to say there was a partial exemption already for models incorporated, but it's complicated and she would be sending the language over to the Union
-- No changes or exemptions to AB5 would be immediate and not till September of 2020 would it be introduced.
We ask models to look over the bill, contact your company, talk to professionals on possible s-corp filing for AB5, and to keep in mind we wont know the weight if any."
TrifilinCamHo
12-18-2019, 06:59 PM
Anyone heard anything? From CalGems or just in general? It's getting down to the wire and I'm STRESSED AF.
anonamiss
12-18-2019, 07:22 PM
Anyone heard anything? From CalGems or just in general? It's getting down to the wire and I'm STRESSED AF.
No, I wrote them with a few questions, haven't sent the signed doc yet, no response yet.
to be honest I am mildly annoyed at the two people here who said they signed the contract and "got hired" and then just kind of ghosted on this thread...
I want to know if they got different contracts or emails than what it seems like you and I did, Triflin.
anonamiss
12-18-2019, 07:25 PM
The audio from the APAG/California Labor Federation call was posted today. I don't have time tonight but plan to listen in full tomorrow.
http://apagunion.com/2019/12/19/apag-ab5-qa-with-ca-labor-federation-audio-and-transcript/
laurielegs
12-18-2019, 08:53 PM
No, I wrote them with a few questions, haven't sent the signed doc yet, no response yet.
to be honest I am mildly annoyed at the two people here who said they signed the contract and "got hired" and then just kind of ghosted on this thread...
I want to know if they got different contracts or emails than what it seems like you and I did, Triflin.
I'm curious also. (Not in Cali but wouldn't be surprised if other states pick it up later).
Might be a bad idea to post it out in the open though since they can fire you for any reason (or maybe the contract states not to disclose the details)?
Unless you plan to move out of state though I guess it's either sign the contract or work for another site instead.
anonamiss
12-18-2019, 09:09 PM
I'm curious also. (Not in Cali but wouldn't be surprised if other states pick it up later).
Might be a bad idea to post it out in the open though since they can fire you for any reason (or maybe the contract states not to disclose the details)?
Unless you plan to move out of state though I guess it's either sign the contract or work for another site instead.
Yeah, I do plan to sign the contract because I'm not moving and SM is my bread and butter. I didn't ask them specific questions about pay or hours, as I pretty much know they won't answer those until I sign the first contract. But I did ask if there would be any issues or delays to our current accounts if we were to sign the contract early/now. I plan on working almost every day through the end of the year, and I am curious if we will have to get brand new accounts under CalGems or if everything will remain the same. I am also wondering, since this goes into effect on January 1st -- what if we are working on New Years Eve? Will our accounts just shut down or change somehow right at midnight? Will it be midnight PST, or 4pm PST which is midnight GMT/Streamate time? Weird details I know, but I've been overthinking everything.
Also, if the contract says not to disclose details, then I'd still like to hear that from the two "I got hired" people here. I don't necessarily need or care to hear what those details are, I just want to know if they got different/more specific initial contracts than me. The one that myself and another person got (the same one I've seen reposted on Twitter by other models) clearly stated there would be four additional documents to sign as a contingency for employment.
GracieBlue
12-18-2019, 09:35 PM
Sorry I am not ghosting! I have just been busy. I am assuming we all got the same contract. It seems like we all got emailed around the same time also. I am assuming it's the same thing. If you have specific questions please feel free to inbox me. I'm just super happy I can work again!
SamanthaSugar
12-18-2019, 10:07 PM
I haven't received squat from Cal Gems, sent them two emails and even contacted Liz, she just said that they're swamped right now. So who knows.
anonamiss
12-18-2019, 10:10 PM
^ thanks for posting/clarifying, Gracie.
another note:
I've never listened to the SM Podcast before, but I noticed they have two episodes on AB-5.
I am currently listening to the first one, I'm not super far into it but it seems like the discussion happened before all the CalGems stuff came out. It's still interesting to hear them talk about it -- honestly makes me have more respect for SM as a company, because it appears they really care about the law and how it may affect cammodels (unlike the vague lack of transparency/discussion from basically every other camsite right now.)
https://soundcloud.com/streamate/episode-34-california-assembly-law-5
Then I saw on the Streamate twitter that they mentioned some AB-5 updates in their latest podcast.
https://soundcloud.com/streamate/episode-35-the-2019-year-in-review
Edit: Just finished both of these. Would highly recommend if you're a CA SM model. Seriously have even more respect for SM now - I think quite a few people think of SM as this abstract corporate entity who don't give a fuck about their models; but hearing four smart empathetic people talk about the company and the laws that impact them in detail made them so much more human to me. It actually quelled any concerns I have over what the employment contract will look like. It sounds like they really want to do everything they can to make this work for their CA models. It might still suck compared to IC work, but they basically say "Guys, you need to understand that this is the fault of California and the law, not the company -- so please don't bitch at us for things beyond our control. We are just doing our best to comply and move forward."
They also discuss how divided the adult industry is, and advocate for sitting down with other camsites to come together and unionize/lobby for cammodels specifically. They acknowledge that every sector of the adult industry (porn, stripping, cam, clips, PSO, etc) can be so different especially from legal perspectives, so overarching porn industry groups like APAG don't necessarily understand or focus on the specific needs of cammodels. They said if they could, they would sit down with Chaturbate, MFC, Onlyfans, etc. to attempt to lobby for a cam-specific exemption. But until something like that happens, all these companies are basically on their own to navigate how to handle AB-5. They also said they are still holding out in hopes of a general exemption added that could apply to cammodels before the end of the year, but they are "hoping for the best, planning for the worst."
The only critique I do have is that they repeatedly misspoke about when the law was passed. It was passed on September 18th, and they talk about it being passed in November, which is not correct. At first I thought maybe they just made a mistake, like a verbal typo. But they said it multiple times and referenced it being right before the holidays. So it appears they really didn't find out until the very last minute which is unfortunate (and a bit unprofessional IMO). Still, given that they apparently only super recently found out about it, I would say they've done an impressive amount of legal work to (presumably) get this CalGems shit set up in time for (eligible) models to keep working.
anonamiss
12-19-2019, 01:30 AM
Took the night off to clean the house and just powered through all these podcasts. I did those two SM/AB-5 podcasts and just finished listening to the audio I posted earlier from the APAG/California Labor Federation call. It was very interesting to say the least.
My takeaway is that there is a good chance that camsites will push towards being included in the "clean up legislation" of the bill happening in 2020, which seeks to add exemptions with highly specific language from industries who have experienced unintended consequences from the passing of AB-5. It's a damn shame there was no Streamate rep on the APAG call because there was someone from Cams.com and I think another camsite; and after hearing on the SM podcast how they ideally want to band together with other camsites to have more 'unionized' legal representation, I feel like they really dropped the ball by not joining that call.
The most interesting discussions (IMO) were regarding the pros and cons of being employed. There were people who were in favor of it because they believed it could benefit low income models by guaranteeing minimum wage (one person estimated that 80% of cammodels fall into the low income or 'survival mode' category of workers, including girls who splitcam or work multiple sites, but don't make enough on any one single site to get by). However, as one of the camsite representatives pointed out, if a model became an employee they may also be subject to a non-competitor agreement, which means that they wouldn't be able to work multiple sites anymore, and therefore lose out on a large chunk of their income.
One model/caller mentioned working up to 12 hours a day on Streamate among 5 other sites, and pulls in something like $250 a week on SM. My thought here is, this is actually the exact type of worker that AB-5 is attempting to protect... it's like an Uber driver who only makes $4/hour after all expenses are considered. You're clearly working for way less than minimum wage and AB-5/labor law advocates would argue you're being exploited. However, this all backfires when the companies have the right to decide who to employ, because if you're already not making minimum wage you are just going to cost them more money by them making you an employee versus an IC, so you get fired and lose everything.
Anyway. I'm just ranting/summarizing/sharing opinions. Nothing of definitive importance was really said. Just gonna twiddle my thumbs until someone gets more info regarding the Streamate contract. They said we had until January 31st to sign it. I know I'm working through the end of the year no matter what, and I'll figure out what to do once more information surfaces.
Mal707
12-19-2019, 02:39 AM
Yea I splitcam but make over minimum wage total from all the sites. There’s no way I’d ever want to be an employee and have my life virtually controlled and lose the ability to splitcam. I like splitcamming. So I said goodbye to Streamate because I prefer the benefits of being an IC over the benefits of having employee status. I worked employee status for another type of virtual company once, medical transcription, before and it was hell. Not signing up for that again.
MilfSM
12-19-2019, 03:56 PM
No, I wrote them with a few questions, haven't sent the signed doc yet, no response yet.
to be honest I am mildly annoyed at the two people here who said they signed the contract and "got hired" and then just kind of ghosted on this thread...
I want to know if they got different contracts or emails than what it seems like you and I did, Triflin.
Better believe when there's something to report we will.
innocentindian
12-22-2019, 06:02 PM
They want to treat us as employees, but can't tell us how much we'll be getting paid? Imagine applying to a normal job as an employee without knowing what your hourly / salary / commission percentage would be.
BubblyBlonde
12-22-2019, 08:18 PM
They want to treat us as employees, but can't tell us how much we'll be getting paid? Imagine applying to a normal job as an employee without knowing what your hourly / salary / commission percentage would be.
I am not signing anything until they give us details.
SamanthaSugar
12-23-2019, 09:11 PM
So lets say that CalGems comes back with a rediculous payment structure, have you decided what you are going to do? If so, what is it?
I still haven't received dick from CalGems! I emailed Liz again and she just brushed me off saying that they're super busy. Has anyone else not received an email from CalGems? I'm starting to feel like the only one :(
How they are treating us just shows how little they care about the people that make them money.
GracieBlue
12-23-2019, 09:18 PM
I haven't heard anything either. I was kind of wondering if things are staying as is till January 31st, if we have till January 31st to sign.
EmPea
12-23-2019, 10:24 PM
Well fuck. I was just thinking about starting this hustle back up as my lazy bf is gone and I have my room to myself. I am a gig economy worker and the app I use is for warehouse work and I was hoping to recover some lost income by camming due to many companies no longer using the platform. This blows so hard and I am so scared.
anonamiss
12-27-2019, 04:48 PM
Has anyone received any more info or documentation from SM/CalGems?
I just sent in my signed contract (the first/vague one.)
It's getting down to the wire and I want to be able to continue working after January 1st, so I am not waiting to hear more info anymore. There is a 98% chance I am going to accept whatever they offer simply because I want to stay with Streamate, and I hope/trust that they won't screw us over too badly.
Side note -- does anyone here work for Cams.com? I saw one person on Twitter say that Cams sent out very similar requirements as Streamate (that a third party employer was required to continue working in CA); but they didn't post any more details. I don't know if they offered a compliant "studio" like CalGems, or if they are just leaving it up to the models to figure out, which sounds like it could get very messy.
GracieBlue
12-27-2019, 05:22 PM
I have not! I also signed. I'm kind of wondering if the fact that we had until January 31 to sign…If we have until then to work normally, like a grace period. I also wonder if we will get like 30% commission and the other 5% of the usual 35% covers the minimum wage etc. I was thinking they would make it fair across the board. I don't know, just some thoughts. I mean they can spring it on us that we will start CalGems on the 1st but I kind of feel like they themselves are maybe waiting things out or figuring things out still. I don't know, I hope I'm not giving them too much credit. But the site has always been good to me.
anonamiss
12-27-2019, 05:41 PM
I have not! I also signed. I'm kind of wondering if the fact that we had until January 31 to sign…If we have until then to work normally, like a grace period. I also wonder if we will get like 30% commission and the other 5% of the usual 35% covers the minimum wage etc. I was thinking they would make it fair across the board. I don't know, just some thoughts. I mean they can spring it on us that we will start CalGems on the 1st but I kind of feel like they themselves are maybe waiting things out or figuring things out still. I don't know, I hope I'm not giving them too much credit. But the site has always been good to me.
I feel the same! After listening to their podcast and having direct correspondence with Liz, I really do feel like they're doing everything they can and that they actually care. I don't think it's in anyone's interest to screw over the models. (and yes I know some models have been very much screwed over... but I assume it's only if they didn't respond to the CalGems email in time, or they barely make any money or work super minimal hours for SM thus not meeting reasonable employment requirements. It's really not SM's fault for feeling obligated to comply with new laws, despite what other sites choose to do.)
I just assume they haven't gotten back to anyone yet because they simply don't have the documentation 100% finalized. I imagine having to come up with an AB-5 compliant contract (that still maintains the interests of the models) in less than a month isn't easy. I asked them if we'd have any trouble continuing to work on January 1st, and I hope they at least get back to me on that. I'd hate for our accounts to be in some weird limbo where we can't keep working if they don't have their shit figured out yet.
Also, in terms of your commission comment - I did some math on a previous page in this thread. I believe they could offer us as low as 20%-25% commission and it would actually work out to being fairly similar to what we're currently paid. That's because the taxes will already be taken out, and minimum wage will be factored in. It's a bit complicated, but I'm keeping an open mind with whatever they offer. With our new employee paychecks from SM the money will be 100% ours, as opposed to us having to stash away 25%+ percent for our taxes. For some models it may actually work in their favor depending on what their usual tax rate is.
TrifilinCamHo
12-27-2019, 05:56 PM
I got an email back from them today saying that they're having delays due to the holidays and to account for that they won't make any changes to my account until after Jan 6th, and will work on getting my questions answered. I still haven't signed anything and don't plan on doing so until I know what the pay situation is. What I suspect is actually happening (this is all major speculation obviously) is that they jumped the gun on this whole thing and underestimated how difficult it was going to be to form a company to traditionally employ cam girls, thus haven't yet secured things required for that like liability insurance/workmans comp/etc. Also AB5 has been hit with two major lawsuits that are going to present major challenges in the courts and there is still a chance that exemptions will be made or it will be struck down completely so possibly they're waiting on that while working out the details.
GracieBlue
12-27-2019, 06:02 PM
Thank you girls for the updates!! ❤️❤️ I agree with your pay structure formula anonamiss! Probably more accurate than mine!
GracieBlue
12-28-2019, 01:57 PM
omg!!! They did? Like just closed their accounts? I'm so grateful streamate right now!
cams.com pulled the plug on california camgirls
Erika_Xstacy
12-28-2019, 02:05 PM
omg!!! They did? Like just closed their accounts? I'm so grateful streamate right now!
I'm so grateful first roommate right now
did you move? Id be out of California so fuckn fast.
Im not sure what he exact wording was in the emails received by models
A few on twitter are tweeting
EmPea
12-28-2019, 02:28 PM
Where did you hear this? I am in CA right now and it's the only free chat site I really like to use. What do you mean by "pulled the plug"? I have access still and am planning on going on tonight. I am trying to get as much info as possible but am coming up with nothing.
cams.com pulled the plug on california camgirls
GracieBlue
12-28-2019, 02:40 PM
I did move. And I'm not leaving CA. My whole life is here lol. I do think it's smart to figure out other streams of income though I. That's what I'm working on now.
did you move? Id be out of California so fuckn fast.
Im not sure what he exact wording was in the emails received by models
A few on twitter are tweeting
Erika_Xstacy
12-28-2019, 02:44 PM
Where did you hear this? I am in CA right now and it's the only free chat site I really like to use. What do you mean by "pulled the plug"? I have access still and am planning on going on tonight. I am trying to get as much info as possible but am coming up with nothing.
tweet 1
(https://twitter.com/sweetmysteryluv/status/1210752663899389952)
tweet 2 (https://twitter.com/CaliGem_xoxo/status/1209163986270212096)
I have not seen the email that was sent out. I was alerted last night by a model who is a friend/ camgirl in California
EmPea
12-28-2019, 02:58 PM
Thanks. I'm under boleynmodels, so this shouldn't affect me right? I have received no email about this from either Boleyn or cams.
tweet 1
(https://twitter.com/sweetmysteryluv/status/1210752663899389952)
tweet 2 (https://twitter.com/CaliGem_xoxo/status/1209163986270212096)
I have not seen the email that was sent out. I was alerted last night by a model who is a friend/ camgirl in California
Erika_Xstacy
12-28-2019, 03:03 PM
Thanks. I'm under boleynmodels, so this shouldn't affect me right? I have received no email about this from either Boleyn or cams.
good question.... im not sure how that is panning out
EmPea
12-28-2019, 03:14 PM
OK, i did receive a response, just not directly to my email so I missed it. They say it's "business as usual" as of 12/24 for all sites except for SM, however that was 3 days prior to this tweet so I asked for clarification today. Will report back when I receive a response. At this point I figure no news is good new for me.
good question.... im not sure how that is panning out
KatyBoleyn
12-28-2019, 03:41 PM
OK, i did receive a response, just not directly to my email so I missed it. They say it's "business as usual" as of 12/24 for all sites except for SM, however that was 3 days prior to this tweet so I asked for clarification today. Will report back when I receive a response. At this point I figure no news is good new for me.
At this point in time, they've sent us nothing (nor have they sent anything to our CA models so far as I know). We'll call them directly for clarification on Monday.
EmPea
12-28-2019, 04:01 PM
Great thanks for being responsive. Always appreciated.
At this point in time, they've sent us nothing (nor have they sent anything to our CA models so far as I know). We'll call them directly for clarification on Monday.
HaydenBlue
12-28-2019, 08:21 PM
tweet 1
(https://twitter.com/sweetmysteryluv/status/1210752663899389952)
tweet 2 (https://twitter.com/CaliGem_xoxo/status/1209163986270212096)
I have not seen the email that was sent out. I was alerted last night by a model who is a friend/ camgirl in California
Ugh. That's awful. :( I hope people can get switched over with 3rd party studio. OR this dumb bill gets dropped/changed out.
Has anyone heard any info on how this bill affects clip content sites like C4S? I did read an industry lawyer talking on twitter thread comparing clips to digital goods (similar to ebay).
But I haven't read any info other than this bill and its impact on cam sites. I don't see California YouTubers panicking so thats a good sign...maybe? I emailed C4S and they never got back to me.
xxxGothBarbie
12-28-2019, 09:30 PM
I saw somewhere that ImLive was taking displaced ca models. Not sure if they are waiting it out or what..... just what I saw in another group.
HaydenBlue
12-30-2019, 08:11 PM
"A federal judge on Monday refused to make Uber reclassify drivers as employees in California" - https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-wont-force-uber-to-treat-california-drivers-as-employees/
Obviously we're not uber, but i thought that was interesting.
TrifilinCamHo
12-30-2019, 10:11 PM
Big stuff happened RE: AB5 today y'all. Uber, Postmates, AND two separate individuals filed lawsuits claiming the entire law is unconstitutional (https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2019-12-30/uber-postmates-call-ab5-unconstitutional-new-lawsuit). There is still hope! It might not happen tomorrow, or this month, but I think there is a decent chance that in the near future this might get killed altogether or re-written so it isn't a total disastrous clusterfuck like it is right now.