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Sersay
01-06-2020, 01:55 PM
This is our contract:
Payment Error. If an employee is overpaid commission, the employee agrees to repay CAL Gems within one month following the discovery of the overpayment. Likewise, if an error was made to the detriment of the employee, CAL Gems will promptly pay the difference
Isn’t it too much math for cam model? Along with this stupid timekeeping sheet bulshit ! I can’t believe it

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 01:58 PM
FICA tax is a combination of a 6.2% Social Security tax and a 1.45% Medicare tax the IRS imposes on employee earnings. For 2019, only the first $132,900 of earnings is subject to the Social Security part of the tax (in 2020, it’s $137,700). A 0.9% additional Medicare tax may also apply if earnings exceed $200,000 if you’re a single filer or $250,000 if you’re filing jointly.

What if I dont make 132k ? Do I have to pay this FICA tax? And they talking about Medicare there

Medicare: 1.45%. Sometimes referred to as the “hospital insurance tax,” this pays for health insurance for people who are 65 or older, younger people with disabilities and people with certain conditions. Employers typically have to withhold an extra 0.9% on money you earn over $200,000.

Is SM gonna provide medical insurance to us?

It says "only the first $132k is subject to X" which means if you make anything less than $132k, you pay on it.

If you've been paying your taxes properly as a self employed person in the past, you have already been paying FICA taxes in full at 15.3%. Now that we are employees, we only have to pay for half.

I am not sure if SM is going to offer insurance benefits, but that has nothing to do with these taxes. It is something everyone is obligated to pay, whether you are self employed or an employee.

The fact is as self employed people we've been paying these same taxes all along, and we are actually paying less in taxes as employees. But now that SM is taking more of our commission, we end up with less take home pay in the long run.

Sersay
01-06-2020, 01:58 PM
I was offered 28%! ;( According to your math I’ll go home with 21% , plus I probably will be paying W2 at the end of the year. It’s so poor

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 02:03 PM
I was offered 28%! ;( According to your math I’ll go home with 21% , plus I probably will be paying W2 at the end of the year. It’s so poor

Why would you "pay W2" at the end of the year? The taxes they are withholding out of your paycheck is where that is going. If you file correctly you shouldn't have to pay any additional taxes on your Streamate income. Your 21% should be yours to keep, 100%.

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 02:06 PM
And after all those extra charges we still gonna get W-2 at the end of the year?????

You will "get a W2" at the end of the year to show your earnings and all of the taxes they withheld for you. It is just a summary of your earnings and withholdings. We will get W2s from Streamate/CalGems instead of a 1099.

You shouldn't have to pay any additional taxes on this income at the end of the year if they are already taking it out of every paycheck.

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 02:11 PM
This is our contract:
Payment Error. If an employee is overpaid commission, the employee agrees to repay CAL Gems within one month following the discovery of the overpayment. Likewise, if an error was made to the detriment of the employee, CAL Gems will promptly pay the difference
Isn’t it too much math for cam model? Along with this stupid timekeeping sheet bulshit ! I can’t believe it

"Too much math for a cammodel" ? You make it sound like cammodels aren't intelligent people... This is a standard type of contract that any employed person would have to agree to. It's always good practice to double check your earnings to make sure you are being paid correctly. It's not that complicated.

Sersay
01-06-2020, 02:30 PM
I think cam models more artists then accountants, or it is just my particular case. Sorry I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings. I’m bad with any type of math, even a simple one. I’m sorry but the one you did earlier doesn’t look simple to me. The idea of doing it every 2 weeks doesn’t make happy at all, in fact it’s freaking me out

GracieBlue
01-06-2020, 02:36 PM
I totally get what you mean. I think this whole thing is very hard to navigate. I know that we technically don't need to be trained for this job but at the same time when you do get a new job there's a lot more training and explanations for things. There's no one to really talk to on the phone or in person like other jobs. It's all through email if you can even get an answer.

I think cam models more artists then accountants, or it is just my particular case. Sorry I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings. I’m bad with any type of math, even a simple one. I’m sorry but the one you did earlier doesn’t look simple to me. The idea of doing it every 2 weeks doesn’t make happy at all, in fact it’s freaking me out

GracieBlue
01-06-2020, 02:39 PM
I just had a brilliant idea LOL they should go on cam and let us ask questions! They must have some fake account that they use for testing or whatever. Spend a couple of hours with us, answer our questions!

Sersay
01-06-2020, 02:40 PM
To me, It also feels like we have to make an extra job for less money , a lot less.

GracieBlue
01-06-2020, 02:43 PM
I definitely agree with you there! I for one am looking into different sites and other streams of income. Luckily I have a full-time job in addition to this but it's still hard.


To me, It also feels like we have to make an extra job for less money , a lot less.

Sersay
01-06-2020, 02:44 PM
I just had a brilliant idea LOL they should go on cam and let us ask questions! They must have some fake account that they use for testing or whatever. Spend a couple of hours with us, answer our questions!

Lol, I actually like that idea! They always saying we would like to hear from you guys, give us your feedback bla bla bla but sometimes ( really often) it doesn’t seems like they really mean it!
Reverse cam could solve a lot of problems, not only this!

Sersay
01-06-2020, 02:48 PM
I definitely agree with you there! I for one am looking into different sites and other streams of income. Luckily I have a full-time job in addition to this but it's still hard.

I’m thinking about it too but it’s scary to me. I’m doing really well on SM and it’s only my source of income. Start from the scratch on other platform it’s a big step, I don’t know how to think about it. Maybe we just overwhelmed and it will be impulsive decisions? But in the other hand 35 % compare to 21% or something close to that seems like a time to rethink things. I don’t know

GracieBlue
01-06-2020, 03:13 PM
It is scary! But there's definitely people that are banking on other sites! You might be pleasantly surprised! I for one am a total creature of habit and love a schedule that's what messes me up going to another site but I think it's necessary for me at this point. I deserve way more than they are offering.

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 03:17 PM
I’m thinking about it too but it’s scary to me. I’m doing really well on SM and it’s only my source of income. Start from the scratch on other platform it’s a big step, I don’t know how to think about it. Maybe we just overwhelmed and it will be impulsive decisions? But in other hand 35 % compare to 21% or something close to that seems like a time to rethink things. I don’t know

It's not 35% compared to 21%, though. I think some models aren't understanding this.

If you made 35% before, that is pre-tax. The 21% figure you are using is post-tax. [Also, I made an edit to my post above with a disclaimer that my math was based on a certain baseline amount of earnings. Depending on what you earn and where in CA you live, your tax percentages may be different. You can estimate your earnings and put your own location into that calculator to see how it might affect you.]

But you should calculate what your effective post-tax earnings rate is while being self employed making 35%, so you can properly compare. For me, after all my taxes are paid, I end up taking home about 27% for every dollar I make on SM. So if my math is correct, as an employee I am going to be taking home about 5% less than before. In the grand scheme of things, this only amounts to a couple grand or less for me at the end of the year. It's a slight pay cut but it's worth it to keep working on a site I can usually rely on.

It sucks, but like you, I also do well on SM and don't want to start on a new platform. So I'm just going to suck it up and stay. I do plan to diversify my income with more clips and indie, though.

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 03:20 PM
I just had a brilliant idea LOL they should go on cam and let us ask questions! They must have some fake account that they use for testing or whatever. Spend a couple of hours with us, answer our questions!

I imagine that SM/CalGems won't be the ones answering most of our questions -- they are going to refer us to the HR company to help walk us through all the new payroll and timesheet related stuff.

This might be a good thing. SM support isn't exactly known for being very responsive or competent. Maybe the HR company will actually be helpful.

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 03:25 PM
I think cam models more artists then accountants, or it is just my particular case. Sorry I didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings. I’m bad with any type of math, even a simple one. I’m sorry but the one you did earlier doesn’t look simple to me. The idea of doing it every 2 weeks doesn’t make happy at all, in fact it’s freaking me out

It shouldn't freak you out. I really don't think they expect us to literally do as much math as you are thinking. They put that in the contract because they had to for legal reasons.

SM already calculates what your earnings are (what you see on your earnings page). That baseline number will be at the top of your paycheck (your gross pay/commission), and then all of the taxes will be taken out under it. It's a good idea to double check your earnings page versus your paycheck to make sure the gross amounts match. And then make sure nothing looks way off on the tax portion.

But I really don't think expect anyone to go back every two weeks and tediously calculate all the tax percentages. That is the payroll department's job.

Sersay
01-06-2020, 04:38 PM
How did you find this 27%? Let’s say I made 100k last year, after all taxes paid it became 85k. How much percent is this?

Sersay
01-06-2020, 04:42 PM
I think you absolutely right. We should do proper math before make any decisions. There is only one question I have left. How???? lol

anonamiss
01-06-2020, 05:19 PM
How did you find this 27%? Let’s say I made 100k last year, after all taxes paid it became 85k. How much percent is this?

100-85 is 15. If you paid a total of 15% in taxes, the way you'd find your "net/take home pay" from Streamate is to first multiply the 35% gross pay by the 15% effective tax rate you pay. 35 x .15 = 5.25.

Then you subtract the 5.25 from the 35 to get what your net/take home pay is. 35-5.25 is 29.75, so you basically take home 29.75% of every dollar spent on you on SM.

My personal tax rate comes out to about 23% (this includes everything -- federal, state, self employment tax, with deductions included; and it's the amount I've been saving from every paycheck to go to my quarterly taxes.) So if I do the same math formula as above, that's how I ended up with 27% take home.

SamanthaSugar
01-06-2020, 07:17 PM
Just increase your rate by .50-1.00

Sersay
01-06-2020, 10:35 PM
100-85 is 15. If you paid a total of 15% in taxes, the way you'd find your "net/take home pay" from Streamate is to first multiply the 35% gross pay by the 15% effective tax rate you pay. 35 x .15 = 5.25.

Then you subtract the 5.25 from the 35 to get what your net/take home pay is. 35-5.25 is 29.75, so you basically take home 29.75% of every dollar spent on you on SM.

My personal tax rate comes out to about 23% (this includes everything -- federal, state, self employment tax, with deductions included; and it's the amount I've been saving from every paycheck to go to my quarterly taxes.) So if I do the same math formula as above, that's how I ended up with 27% take home.

Wow, that’s impressive math!
Ok, I got it now. I know where is that 27% came from. But how we can find this “difference” number? Let’s say we have same 100k this year but it’s a different number now cuz it came from rate of 28% not from 35%. So, if we want to compare apple to apple we need to find X number ( 7% difference) for income right ? And then compare 2 numbers? How to find it? Or no? Do I make any sense ? Lol
I told you I’m horrible with numbers

Sersay
01-06-2020, 11:00 PM
This X number we spend on taxes also will be different. First of all we can not deduct in that case, can we? Second of all we have to pay part of their employer taxes as you said, right? Am I missing something here ?

Sersay
01-06-2020, 11:28 PM
Just increase your rate by .50-1.00


It won’t even those numbers and I have no idea how to make them even. Omg it’s drive me crazy. Let’s say you hit 100$ gold show. We use to make 35$ from it- 5.25 $ (15% tax) = 29.75$ ; 35-5,25= 29.75
New math , same gold show 28$ - ? Tax ( let’s put same# 5.25 but I think it will be higher ) = 22,75$
So this magic number , is 7$ . From each 100$ we making for SM from now on we earn 7$ less. The question is how to make it even? Is it possible?

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 12:36 PM
Wow, that’s impressive math!
Ok, I got it now. I know where is that 27% came from. But how we can find this “difference” number? Let’s say we have same 100k this year but it’s a different number now cuz it came from rate of 28% not from 35%. So, if we want to compare apple to apple we need to find X number ( 7% difference) for income right ? And then compare 2 numbers? How to find it? Or no? Do I make any sense ? Lol
I told you I’m horrible with numbers

I got my tax numbers from the calculator I posted on the last page. It estimated that an employer would withhold about 25% of your paycheck for taxes. So if you make 28% gross from SM, then you can do the same formula as before. 28 x .25 = 7. So 28 - 7 = 21% net commission after taxes.

But that's not necessarily an exact/perfect number, because the taxes will differ based on how much money you earn as well as what part of CA you are from.

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 12:48 PM
It won’t even those numbers and I have no idea how to make them even. Omg it’s drive me crazy. Let’s say you hit 100$ gold show. We use to make 35$ from it- 5.25 $ (15% tax) = 29.75$ ; 35-5,25= 29.75
New math , same gold show 28$ - ? Tax ( let’s put same# 5.25 but I think it will be higher ) = 22,75$
So this magic number , is 7$ . From each 100$ we making for SM from now on we earn 7$ less. The question is how to make it even? Is it possible?

It's possible, you just have to make more money than before, lol.

I'm not getting super worked up over the math comparisons, but I can put it this way for you. If you're making 28% gross, then $125 spent on SM equals $35. So if your usual gold show goal is $100, just raise it to $125 to even it out. Guys will have to pay you more in order for you to reach the same income you were earning before. There's really no other way to put it.

I've just accepted that I'm taking a slight pay cut and I'm not going to worry much more about it. I may raise my rates, or just try to draw out my shows.

GracieBlue
01-07-2020, 12:58 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking! Making my shows a little bit longer, I need to slow down anyway.


It's possible, you just have to make more money than before, lol.

I'm not getting super worked up over the math comparisons, but I can put it this way for you. If you're making 28% gross, then $125 spent on SM equals $35. So if your usual gold show goal is $100, just raise it to $125 to even it out. Guys will have to pay you more in order for you to reach the same income you were earning before. There's really no other way to put it.

I've just accepted that I'm taking a slight pay cut and I'm not going to worry much more about it. I may raise my rates, or just try to draw out my shows.

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 12:58 PM
In other news . . . Chaturbate updated their broadcaster agreement to specifically address AB-5.

52555

GracieBlue
01-07-2020, 01:00 PM
I am trying to wait until the end of the day or tomorrow morning to submit my paperwork. I did get a response back about raising my commission percentage. This was the response...It's not a no but I'm hesitant to send in my paperwork until they answer me specifically about that.

We have escalated your additional questions, and will follow up with details as soon as we can.

Thank you for your patience,
CAL Gems

Nikki_Fox
01-07-2020, 01:14 PM
In other news . . . Chaturbate updated their broadcaster agreement to specifically address AB-5.

52555


I think Chaturbate has this right - they are a platform to broadcast your shows - as SM is - hopefully SM will follow their lead - It seems like SM jumped the gun trying to be compliant and keep everyone working

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 01:22 PM
I think Chaturbate has this right - they are a platform to broadcast your shows - as SM is - hopefully SM will follow their lead - It seems like SM jumped the gun trying to be compliant and keep everyone working

This is what Uber is trying to do by claiming it's a technology company and that the core business is not about the drivers. But my thought is, if it weren't for the drivers (or in CB's case, the models), the company wouldn't be making money. In other words, the company makes most of it's money from it's contractors, so can they really claim the contractors aren't core to the business? I'm not convinced it's a valid argument (and it doesn't matter what I think - it matters how the state of CA interprets the decisions of these companies.)

It's a solid way for CB models to remain independent contractors for now, and for other cam companies to adopt the same language. I doubt SM will get on board with all the time and effort they've put into making us employees. We'll see what happens with Uber because it could end up setting a precedent for other companies trying to claim their core business is "tech/software."

I am still holding out for the camming industry to get a legit exemption on the next revision of the bill.

laurielegs
01-07-2020, 02:57 PM
It's not 35% compared to 21%, though. I think some models aren't understanding this.

If you made 35% before, that is pre-tax. The 21% figure you are using is post-tax. [Also, I made an edit to my post above with a disclaimer that my math was based on a certain baseline amount of earnings. Depending on what you earn and where in CA you live, your tax percentages may be different. You can estimate your earnings and put your own location into that calculator to see how it might affect you.]

But you should calculate what your effective post-tax earnings rate is while being self employed making 35%, so you can properly compare. For me, after all my taxes are paid, I end up taking home about 27% for every dollar I make on SM. So if my math is correct, as an employee I am going to be taking home about 5% less than before. In the grand scheme of things, this only amounts to a couple grand or less for me at the end of the year. It's a slight pay cut but it's worth it to keep working on a site I can usually rely on.

It sucks, but like you, I also do well on SM and don't want to start on a new platform. So I'm just going to suck it up and stay. I do plan to diversify my income with more clips and indie, though.

That makes things more clear to me. I'm not in California but watching this closely because I would not be surprised if other state try to jump on this.


So if you are working on Streamate more than 30 hours and considered full time (if you were buying your own health insurance before this) you have to consider that you do get a few benefits that would have cost you money to provide yourself. They are going to provide a way to have health insurance plus a paid vacation so that factors in too. Plus if you have a slow week you are at least guaranteed minimum wage.

It looks to me as if it's going to hurt part time people more in the wallet because they don't get the paid vacation time or health insurance benefits. Might be worth trying to hit 30.5 hours every week to get that?

Those who work only part time hours and enjoyed the freedom of being an independent contractor are probably going to really hate this. Probably need to raise prices at the very least to come out even. I hope it works out.

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 03:18 PM
That makes things more clear to me. I'm not in California but watching this closely because I would not be surprised if other state try to jump on this.


So if you are working on Streamate more than 30 hours and considered full time (if you were buying your own health insurance before this) you have to consider that you do get a few benefits that would have cost you money to provide yourself. They are going to provide a way to have health insurance plus a paid vacation so that factors in too. Plus if you have a slow week you are at least guaranteed minimum wage.

It looks to me as if it's going to hurt part time people more in the wallet because they don't get the paid vacation time or health insurance benefits. Might be worth trying to hit 30.5 hours every week to get that?

Those who work only part time hours and enjoyed the freedom of being an independent contractor are probably going to really hate this. Probably need to raise prices at the very least to come out even. I hope it works out.

I opted for part time because I almost never work more than 30 hours/week on SM; I doubt they would have hired me if I asked for full time, because I had no consistent track record of putting those hours in. I also have zero desire to be a full time employee on SM. As a part time model, I can still work up to 29 hours in a week, but more importantly, I also have the flexibility of taking days/weeks off without having to ask SM for permission/time off. At least this is my understanding -- we are "at will" part time employees, which means we have no minimum amount of time to work.

I assume a full time model does not have that option, because they would be legally obligated to work 30-40 hours a week, every week, in order to be classified as "full time" and be eligible for any benefits. And if they want to take time off (i.e. work less than 30 hours in a week), I assume they have to request it as a sick day or vacation time.

I also kind of doubt they will offer *good* insurance benefits. I would much rather keep paying for my own chosen healthcare plan. Plus, I will still have ample self-employment income from indie, clips, and vanilla work -- so I should still be able to write off my premiums as well as other expenses.

HaydenBlue
01-07-2020, 04:06 PM
So I may have missed this on an earlier page if it was already discussed...but I was reading more about the bill on WebcamStartup...a similar bill already exists in Massachusetts? Same ABC test. Why is SM only employing CA models?

https://webcamstartup.com/ab5-massachusetts/

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXXI/Chapter149/Section148B

anonamiss
01-07-2020, 05:01 PM
So I may have missed this on an earlier page if it was already discussed...but I was reading more about the bill on WebcamStartup...a similar bill already exists in Massachusetts? Same ABC test. Why is SM only employing CA models?

https://webcamstartup.com/ab5-massachusetts/

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXXI/Chapter149/Section148B

Interesting. I know a lot of states already have some rendition of the ABC test, but it is usually the way B is worded that is the most relevant to us. In many states, working "outside of the company's premises" is also included in B, which means that work-from-home contractors are fine. https://www.travelweekly.com/Mark-Pestronk/ABC-test-for-ICs-varies-from-state-to-state

So I wonder if any other states word it the same way MA and CA do - in which case, cammodels would be affected there as well.

I assume SM just isn't aware of it (which could have bad consequences for them if they don't comply.) The only reason they found out about it here is because of all the media attention AB-5 got. There was also specific attention in the adult industry because porn actors got reclassified as employees. But the fact is the ABC test has actually been in place in CA since April 2018. AB-5 simply codified it and expanded the labor code.

If it weren't for all the AB-5 hype, SM wouldn't have known or cared about CA's ABC Test, which is probably why they aren't doing anything about MA models. I wonder how many SM models work in MA. Hmm.

Erika_Xstacy
01-07-2020, 05:28 PM
I wonder how many SM models work in MA. Hmm.

been trying to find this out myself
either they won't speak up or there are none?

GracieBlue
01-07-2020, 05:32 PM
I wouldn't speak up LOL.

been trying to find this out myself
either they won't speak up or there are none?

GracieBlue
01-07-2020, 05:58 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/APAGunion/status/1214634580243697664
This is interesting!

GracieBlue
01-08-2020, 03:49 PM
Just when we thought it couldn't get any messier LOL. So everyone seems to be getting 29% or 28%. I was offered 24% and I have been trying to negotiate higher. I finally found out today that I should've gotten 29% but they're giving my studio the other 5%. So now something has to be figured out to get me released from the studio or something. I took it that once I signed on with CalGems that I would not be working for the studio anymore and I would be working for them. It is not the studios fault either, they do not want any money to be taken from the model for this. So studio girls keep on top of this! That may be why you got offered less.

Sersay
01-08-2020, 06:12 PM
Just when we thought it couldn't get any messier LOL. So everyone seems to be getting 29% or 28%. I was offered 24% and I have been trying to negotiate higher. I finally found out today that I should've gotten 29% but they're giving my studio the other 5%. So now something has to be figured out to get me released from the studio or something. I took it that once I signed on with CalGems that I would not be working for the studio anymore and I would be working for them. It is not the studios fault either, they do not want any money to be taken from the model for this. So studio girls keep on top of this! That may be why you got offered less.

this is interesting. Is anybody were offered 29% besides studio models?

GracieBlue
01-08-2020, 06:26 PM
Studio models were not offered 29%. I mean, I'm only speaking for myself but I'm assuming if you were part of a studio/daily pay that's what you were offered. If you are not part of a studio then I wouldn't worry about it. It's kind of making sense to me now that most girls were offered 28 and 29% if you are part of a studio you were probably offered 5% less depending on your studio.

Sersay
01-08-2020, 07:24 PM
I was trying to make sense to all this percent situation.

GracieBlue
01-09-2020, 11:32 AM
Heads up! They are not sticking with the scheduled 15th as the start date they are starting it this Saturday. I have been corresponding with someone there not sure who and was sent this today. This was not an email that was sent to everyone else either. I would ask! They aren't giving any notice at all. I think everyone should inquire and hold them to it.

Streamate Service will run as normal through Saturday, January 11th, and all commissions will be paid as they have in the past, and paid on Friday, January 17th. This will be your final payment from Streamate.

anonamiss
01-09-2020, 05:36 PM
Heads up! They are not sticking with the scheduled 15th as the start date they are starting it this Saturday. I have been corresponding with someone there not sure who and was sent this today. This was not an email that was sent to everyone else either. I would ask! They aren't giving any notice at all. I think everyone should inquire and hold them to it.

Streamate Service will run as normal through Saturday, January 11th, and all commissions will be paid as they have in the past, and paid on Friday, January 17th. This will be your final payment from Streamate.

I was wondering about this, given how the Streamate payment schedules are.

I sure hope they give us all that new HR paperwork tomorrow. I mean, are we expected to start tracking our hours and taking breaks and all of that stuff as of this Saturday?

I also wonder what our new "pay period" will be, since we're going to be getting paid twice a month now. Is it going to be the same GMT time zone structure as SM's schedule, just over two weeks instead of one? Or will it be on a new PST related schedule because this is all in California?

I really hope our regular SM earnings page will reflect all of this. It is a lot of work to ask us to keep track of a whole new time period if it doesn't match up with what the site already auto-generates for us.

Edit: I just sent CalGems an email asking for clarification on most of this. I'll report back if they respond.

MilfSM
01-09-2020, 05:51 PM
Per a new email sent out today the changes take affect this Saturday and NOT the 15th. Not everyone got this email. I have yet to hear from the company that is hiring us so I reached out via email and both times my emails were returned as undeliverable. Are we getting ghosted? Kinda freaked out.

Edit to add after reading recent comments, I was offered 30%

anonamiss
01-09-2020, 06:01 PM
Edit to add after reading recent comments, I was offered 30%

wow, that is the first time I'm hearing of anyone getting more than 29%.

GracieBlue
01-09-2020, 06:04 PM
I personally think it's all going to be delayed. They have to make all new studio girls contracts now because they did that wrong. I also can't see them working over the weekend to make this happen. I mean it seems like a big project. Also Katy said Liz said the 15th but who knows.

Maybe studio performers will take till the 15th.

queenelayliah
01-09-2020, 06:12 PM
So uslove has updated because of the recent changes as well. Its on their front page.

MilfSM
01-09-2020, 06:22 PM
I know another girl who got 30% anon

anonamiss
01-09-2020, 07:11 PM
I know another girl who got 30% anon

hm. good to know.

the 1-2% difference given to models just seems so marginal, I don't know why they'd even bother with offering different commissions.