View Full Version : How long do you think the CORONA virus will last?
Eric Stoner
04-06-2020, 11:24 AM
I posted what I did about Trump and his businesses because some have said that Trump is driven solely by personal profit.
It's funny but the same people sniping at him now squawked the loudest about his travel bans.
Eagle, I have tried to find Senator Murphy's press releases and news conferences in February about corona virus. Only thing I could find was one (1) tweet.
miss.a.p1600
04-06-2020, 11:35 AM
I posted what I did about Trump and his businesses because some have said that Trump is driven solely by personal profit.
It's funny but the same people sniping at him now squawked the loudest about his travel bans.
Eagle, I have tried to find Senator Murphy's press releases and news conferences in February about corona virus. Only thing I could find was one (1) tweet.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but that is a blanket statement.
Letting sick people travel through airports, cruises, trains, and thus infect large numbers of people during these times was not wise. My opinion is that travel ban should have been done before spring break at least. At the very least they should have been requiring people to wear masks on public transit and maybe even taking temperatures at TSA checkpoints.
But if T.rump was going on national tv telling everyone coronavirus was a hoax then why would travel industry want to cut off their business/thirsty spring breakers stay at home?
*Anyhow to answer the original question, (I'm not a licensed physician so this are just my speculations), I think the covid19 itself will be around to stay. I don't believe there will be a cure but I do believe eventually we might have a vaccine.
arielbriel
04-06-2020, 12:30 PM
Notify NYC: New York State on PAUSE is extended through 4/29. Non-essential workforce is directed to continue to work from home until at least 4/29.
Rispy_Girl
04-06-2020, 12:44 PM
What's your source?
This site has coronavirus statistics by state:
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/
Over 1/3 of all confirmed cases in the U.S. are in New York State, and the fatality rate in NY is 3.4%.
Pretty sure the difference in death percentages is actual based on extrapolation vs. deaths in relation to those who have tested positive. There is a percentage of people that have no symptoms (as proven by the study with Diamond Cruise) and a percentage that has mild symptoms (mild cold and flue level that don't require medical care). These people are not being tested and are not included in the numbers for the most part. Since there are not enough test kits people aren't being tested wily nilly, so based on the confirmed cases you don't have the big picture.
eagle2
04-06-2020, 12:50 PM
I know that Trump does not have too many fans on this board. I don't care for him too much myself. But blaming him , with 20-20 hindsight is not very fair or accurate.
Yes it is. Trump received multiple warnings from our intelligence agencies back in January and February of the seriousness of the coronavirus, and he did nothing. This is Trump's number one responsibility as president. Protect the people of the United States, and he failed miserably.
If anything, he actually hindered efforts to try and contain the pandemic. Trump opposed testing for the virus because he was afraid that if a lot of people tested positive, it would hurt his re-election chance.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-reportedly-afraid-coronavirus-testing-could-hurt-reelection-chances
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar raised alarms with Trump that the novel coronavirus “could be a major problem,” according to Diamond. And yet the president declined to act with urgency, refusing to push for testing that could lead to a larger number of confirmed cases in the United States that would undercut his efforts to play down the threat. “He did not push to do aggressive testing in recent weeks, and that’s partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak,” Diamond told NPR’s Fresh Air Thursday. “And the president had made clear—the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall.”
Not only that, but for weeks Trump was misleading the American people, saying it's not that serious and we have everything under control, when it's obvious he didn't.
This is not something that Trump wouldn't have been able to know, because there were others who had the same information as Trump, and did know this was a serious threat, and action needed to be taken right away. South Korea had their first confirmed case the same day as us, and they knew to take this seriously from day one. There was no reason for Trump not to do the same.
I think that you and the few others here, who want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, are making the assumption that Trump is a normal person who behaves like a normal person, and not the narcissistic sociopath that he actually is. This is not meant to be a political statement or based on his political positions, but on Trump's behavior and his complete lack of concern for the well-being of others. I know this may sound harsh to some people here, but based on his behavior, this is very clear. Trump was calling for an end to the shutdowns in mid-April, and even stated that he wanted to see Churches full on Easter, knowing this could result in thousands more Americans dying. The reason why he backed off on this was not because he was concerned about loss of life, but because he saw polls showing how badly it could damage his reelection chances.
See:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-reverse-easter-lockdown-reelection-polls-2020-3
Eagle - You continually tout Senator Murphy as being a modern day Cassandra. Let's say you are right. WHERE were his fellow Dems ? His media allies like MSDNC and everyone else who likes to bash Trump ? Where was Biden ? Where was Bernie ? Yes, they are crawling out of the woodwork now but where were they back in January and February. Biden and other Dems bashed Trumps travel bans . Please note the plural. Did you know that before the travel bans there were 1500 flights per week from China to the U.S. At just 200 people per plane that's 300,000 people.
This isn't a Dem. vs Republican issue. There is only one president, and he is the person who is ultimately responsible for protecting the American people, as well as the person with access to the most information. Most Americans don't have access to the information Trump does. The few who did, did see the seriousness of this virus spreading in the US. If Sen. Murphy could see the seriousness of the threat, why wasn't Trump able to? Florida Senator Rick Scott called for Trump to declare a national public health emergency to stop the coronavirus from spreading within the United States, all the way back in January.
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/sen-rick-scott-urges-trump-administration-protect-americans-declaring-coronavirus-public-health
Why was Sen. Scott able to see how serious this is, but not Trump, even after Sen. Scott called for Trump to declare a national public health emergency?
Biden isn't the current POTUS. Neither is Bernie Sanders. Biden did not bash Trump's travel ban, and there wasn't even a travel ban. Americans were allowed to travel to China and back, and flights continued between the two countries.
Btw, the economic shutdown has hurt Trump and his family's businesses as bad as anyone else.
I assure you that Trump will end up better off than most Americans when this is over, and the one most responsible for any losses Trump's businesses suffer, is Donald Trump himself, for his poor response to the pandemic.
Cuomo was told by HIS Health department to stock up on ventilators to deal with anticipated flu epidemics. Back in 2015. He didn't do it.
What is your source for this? There wasn't a pandemic going on in 2015., and if Trump had responded properly, there wouldn't be a need for additional ventilators. Trump has the power to order industry to increase production of ventilators, but has not done that, even after the pandemic hit the US.
OmegaWest
04-06-2020, 02:37 PM
Eagle sorry but you need to get something other than liberal media for your sources. In January the intelligence committee that should have had in depth details about this virus were busy with their once again bullshit impeachment. Trump did put the travel ban in place halting all travel from China in January and was rebuked by every democrat on every social media platform endlessly, that his travel ban was racist.
In NYC the epicenter with 4800 deaths as of today, when non media go and film the local hospitals and post it with #filmyourhospital on varied platforms, they find empty waiting rooms, empty testing tents, empty lobbies. So for a city who has 130k critically ill virus patients, where are all these sick people? Liberal News Media shows these lines and people in the halls and lobbies of supposedly every hospital in NYC on a daily basis and yet independent normal people with phone cams cant find one single hospital in the NYC area with any such situation of being overwhelmed.
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not sure if the image took, so back in January Cuomo was delighted to state that NY had enough resources to give healthcare to every illegal in the state, yet in march all the hospitals are overrun and there isnt enough resources for the citizens not even counting the illegals.
bottom line is that something is going on and its not what the Media is cramming down our throat.
miss.a.p1600
04-06-2020, 04:52 PM
He was so shook n distracted by impeachment but he found time to play golf multiple times during February and March all whilst ignoring national security warnings https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings
Also, he should never have acted in a way that would invite an impeachment
Rispy_Girl
04-06-2020, 08:04 PM
Don't forget that other sources like The Who played it down at the start.
Speaking of which I came across the article and wanted to hear some thoughts from people following this more closely.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493/
miss.a.p1600
04-06-2020, 08:38 PM
Interesting article
eagle2
04-07-2020, 12:26 AM
Eagle sorry but you need to get something other than liberal media for your sources. In January the intelligence committee that should have had in depth details about this virus were busy with their once again bullshit impeachment. Trump did put the travel ban in place halting all travel from China in January and was rebuked by every democrat on every social media platform endlessly, that his travel ban was racist.
What you're saying isn't true. Senators received intelligence briefings on the coronavirus and were aware of how serious the threat was. Here's a statement from Republican Senator Rick Scott on Jan. 24:
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/sen-rick-scott-urges-trump-administration-protect-americans-declaring-coronavirus-public-health
“We have to get serious about the threat of coronavirus coming from China. I don’t trust Communist China to coordinate in a transparent and efficient manner when it comes to combatting the treat of the virus, so we have to do everything we can to protect Americans. Today, I’m calling on the Administration to declare a national public health emergency to stop the coronavirus from spreading within the United States. While all of the cases are still travel-related, we must take every precaution. Just like we did in Florida to curb the spread of the Ebola and Zika viruses, we must take action to make every resource available to contain the disease and keep Americans healthy.
Trump's trial in the Senate ended Feb. 5, which gave Trump more than enough after the trial ended to take actions to contain the pandemic. Three weeks after the trial, and a month after Sen. Rick Scott called on Trump to declare a national health emergency, here's what Trump was saying:
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
If you don't believe he said that, here it is on video, along with other statements he made regarding the coronavirus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0
Trump did not put a travel ban in place halting all travel from China. Americans were allowed to travel from China to the US. Trump was not rebuked by every Democrat on every social media platform and his travel ban was not called racist. If you're going to claim this is true, please show some of these statements. Biden made a general statement call Trump 'xenophobic', but he was not referring to the travel ban.
Here is a page with all of the facts regarding Trump's so-called travel ban:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
From the above link:
None of the party’s congressional leaders and none of the Democratic candidates running for president have directly criticized that decision, though at least two Democrats have.
In NYC the epicenter with 4800 deaths as of today, when non media go and film the local hospitals and post it with #filmyourhospital on varied platforms, they find empty waiting rooms, empty testing tents, empty lobbies. So for a city who has 130k critically ill virus patients, where are all these sick people? Liberal News Media shows these lines and people in the halls and lobbies of supposedly every hospital in NYC on a daily basis and yet independent normal people with phone cams cant find one single hospital in the NYC area with any such situation of being overwhelmed.
Here is an article with a video showing the conditions in an ER in a NYC hospital:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-video-shows-disturbing-crowded-hospital-er/
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Over 11,000 Americans have now died from coronavirus. If the hospitals in NYC aren't overcrowded, does that somehow make it less bad? Do you really think the president couldn't have done any better than this?
Before we discuss this any further, please answer my question. Are you willing to accept facts that show Trump did not act properly in trying to contain this pandemic and prevent it from spreading, or are you going to insist that Trump did nothing wrong, and there is nothing more that he could have done, no matter what the facts are?
Do you accept these facts?
Republican Senator Rick Scott called for Trump to issue a national health emergency on Jan. 24.
On Feb. 26 Trump said, “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Do you accept that none of the Democratic presidential candidates, Democratic leaders in Congress, or most Democrats rebuked Trump or called him a racist because of the travel ban, and if not will you provide examples of Democrats who did?
If you are going to keep denying Trump did anything wrong no matter what facts or evidence you are shown, then there is no point in having this discussion.
TooGars
04-07-2020, 05:19 AM
I think there will be an acute situation for a couple of months, and then everything will calm down. But the virus will most likely still be infected for a long time, it will be like a normal flu
miss.a.p1600
04-07-2020, 07:58 AM
Don't forget that other sources like The Who played it down at the start.
Speaking of which I came across the article and wanted to hear some thoughts from people following this more closely.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493/
Those heauxs owe some reparations.
https://youtu.be/wp2HorLfShQ
Rispy_Girl
04-07-2020, 11:26 PM
Those heauxs owe some reparations.
https://youtu.be/wp2HorLfShQ
I doubt it was intentionally created. If it was I doubt it'll ever be proven for the general public. I have no doubt that China has been using it as a bio weapon. I saw a theory somewhere that people they knew were infected took a "vacation" to New York, Los Angeles, and Houston. Allegedly they were sent to spread the virus. Taiwan also caught some infected Chinese being smuggled with their recalled citizens. Luckily they chose to require everyone to go through quarentine anyway.
https://www.eutimes.net/2020/02/china-caught-trying-to-intentionally-spread-coronavirus-in-taiwan/
Also apparently the WHO didn't consider this a pandemic until March 12th! They were in cahoots with China! Holy cow that's scary. Stop funds to them now! Use that money for paying down the debt of the country instead.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/02/chinas-deadly-coronavirus-lie-co-conspirator-the-world-health-organization/amp/
Oh also the grocery stores may be limiting supplies and/or not buying enough on purpose.
https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohio-dairy-farmers-are-having-to-dump-their-milk-while-some-grocery-stores-limit-purchase-quantities/32040910?fbclid=IwAR1qXiiE5NhEfGuDUH2cqpTbIdRc76xI Uwn4GhqyI9bFwzBNrERTWO7-v9k
OmegaWest
04-08-2020, 12:01 AM
He was so shook n distracted by impeachment but he found time to play golf multiple times during February and March all whilst ignoring national security warnings https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings
Also, he should never have acted in a way that would invite an impeachment
you truly trust a website run by someone who wont even use their own name to it. Sophie Germain by the way was a mathematician who died in 1831 i think it said.
but lets look at most of those dates that stood out. 5 times during feb and march at 4 hours per round so 20 whole hours. Personally someone with the weight of the world on their shoulders, I can give them 20 hours over two months to keep their head clear. Why, because I have seen posts here where some dancers have issues working 4-6 hours dealing with the idiots we love to come see spend money. Imagine that 383 million times the stress created, and that is just domestic issues. one more thing on this, its been reports he pulls 20 hour days working, so until anyone here can say the same, and for the math lovers that is 20 hours by 54 days = 1080 hours of non golfing of 1100 and he is allowed some sleep and time with his family afterall. So cut the man some slack, 20 hours of golf cry a fucking river.
He is dealing with elected idiots who have decades of fucking things up while getting rich as public servants, who think that if its not their party in question it has to be wrong. These same idiots btw were blaming Reagan for the same issues. you would think that since they are still in office they might do what they are elected for at least once in 30+ years, instead of just getting richer by pandering to their special interests.
The Impeachment was a farce, for if it wasnt every hearing would have been on public record and not closed door only democrat welcome to the party hearings. The Democrats dont like someone they have zero control over, especially when he has taken away their slush fund cookie jar. so Please stop watching the non ethical Media who have been caught red handed during this pandemic manufacturing footage stolen from other places, and showing overrun hospitals, that wow are only overrun when the media is present to film it. #FilmyourHospital. Check it out.
Governor Asshat of New York caught with more ventilators in reserve. Hmm imagine that, lets see his state is cut off from federal money, then we have a disaster and guess who is in the front of the line sucking balls to line his pockets on federal money.
Once again do real research from non biased ( meaning not owned by any of the major media conglomerates) new and sites, and then maybe you can have an informed opinion and not rehashing the same mud by people whose jobs are to throw mud and spin to the owners desire.
Updated guess for the end of this, June if not sooner since the people are waking up that they dont like socialism afterall.
OmegaWest
04-08-2020, 12:17 AM
What you're saying isn't true. Senators received intelligence briefings on the coronavirus and were aware of how serious the threat was. Here's a statement from Republican Senator Rick Scott on Jan. 24:
https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/sen-rick-scott-urges-trump-administration-protect-americans-declaring-coronavirus-public-health
Trump's trial in the Senate ended Feb. 5, which gave Trump more than enough after the trial ended to take actions to contain the pandemic. Three weeks after the trial, and a month after Sen. Rick Scott called on Trump to declare a national health emergency, here's what Trump was saying:
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
If you don't believe he said that, here it is on video, along with other statements he made regarding the coronavirus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkMwvmJLnc0
Trump did not put a travel ban in place halting all travel from China. Americans were allowed to travel from China to the US. Trump was not rebuked by every Democrat on every social media platform and his travel ban was not called racist. If you're going to claim this is true, please show some of these statements. Biden made a general statement call Trump 'xenophobic', but he was not referring to the travel ban.
Here is a page with all of the facts regarding Trump's so-called travel ban:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
From the above link:
None of the party’s congressional leaders and none of the Democratic candidates running for president have directly criticized that decision, though at least two Democrats have.
Here is an article with a video showing the conditions in an ER in a NYC hospital:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-video-shows-disturbing-crowded-hospital-er/
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Over 11,000 Americans have now died from coronavirus. If the hospitals in NYC aren't overcrowded, does that somehow make it less bad? Do you really think the president couldn't have done any better than this?
Before we discuss this any further, please answer my question. Are you willing to accept facts that show Trump did not act properly in trying to contain this pandemic and prevent it from spreading, or are you going to insist that Trump did nothing wrong, and there is nothing more that he could have done, no matter what the facts are?
Do you accept these facts?
Republican Senator Rick Scott called for Trump to issue a national health emergency on Jan. 24.
On Feb. 26 Trump said, “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Do you accept that none of the Democratic presidential candidates, Democratic leaders in Congress, or most Democrats rebuked Trump or called him a racist because of the travel ban, and if not will you provide examples of Democrats who did?
If you are going to keep denying Trump did anything wrong no matter what facts or evidence you are shown, then there is no point in having this discussion.
Eagle when will you learn the NYpost is just a fancier version of the Inquirerer. They make their bread and butter on bullshit.
Pelosi Schumer Kaine Schiff Warren Harris Sanders Biden Waters That lunatic who said Guam was going to flip over for having too many people and others all posted on Twitter about the travel ban being racist.
Im saying noone was ready for a new deadly flu that exasperated underlying conditions to deadly levels. It is sad that 11000 people have died, but how come actual medical staff have been filmed saying they are not allowed to make notes of any cause of death other than covid19 in weeks.
The recovery rate unless your in China where they have misplaced 22 million people in a year, is 99.4%.
The governor who reported a youth death to covid19 was caught red handed lying, and then got caught again trying to backtrack.
Fauci doesnt want to admit his dire predictions are bad because he wants to be on TV to be relevant again since he messed up H1N1 so badly.
yes Senators got intel Jan 24 the same week feinstein and her flunkies sold millions in stock, coincidence by chance.
go back and check the headlines from jan 24 to the end of the senate trial, nothing about the virus made the top ten pages, why cause it wasnt in the narrative of our media, the impeachment was all or nothing.
How Trump acted was on information he is given, could he have shut down the whole country in january when he did the travel ban, sure he could. However due to China covering up them cremating 1k people per day since december from this, noone had real facts, and our intelligence people were tied up looking for more dirt thanks to Schiff and Nadler. Beleive it or not being President looks all glam and fab, but its far from it. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and look at those palces always throwing mud and question their motives for a change.
cowardbevan
04-08-2020, 01:39 AM
covid19 will become a seasonal disease. you need to understand this.
a pandemic in society ends after more than half the people who get immunity to this type of virus get sick. an immune layer is formed.
Each country chooses its own path to form this layer. some countries have strict quarantine and wait for the vaccine (at least a year). and someone (like the USA) does not introduce quarantine, so a pandemic in this country will end earlier. but there will be more deaths (not in percentage terms) than in other countries
Rispy_Girl
04-08-2020, 01:50 AM
covid19 will become a seasonal disease. you need to understand this.
a pandemic in society ends after more than half the people who get immunity to this type of virus get sick. an immune layer is formed.
Each country chooses its own path to form this layer. some countries have strict quarantine and wait for the vaccine (at least a year). and someone (like the USA) does not introduce quarantine, so a pandemic in this country will end earlier. but there will be more deaths (not in percentage terms) than in other countries
I'm not convinced. I've seen different data suggesting it could go different ways, so I don't think there's enough understanding of it to say for sure yet. On one hand I've read that this sucker doesn't mutate easily suggesting we'll get immunity to it via having it or immunizations and that will be that. On the other hand I saw an article saying that China was experiencing a second wave of outbreak. Not sure if the second was true, but if that's the case, then either our immune system can be bad at protecting against it or it's mutating enough that our immune system has trouble with it. On the bright side reinfection isn't supposed to be as bad as the initial infection.
miss.a.p1600
04-08-2020, 04:58 AM
I doubt it was intentionally created. If it was I doubt it'll ever be proven for the general public. I have no doubt that China has been using it as a bio weapon. I saw a theory somewhere that people they knew were infected took a "vacation" to New York, Los Angeles, and Houston. Allegedly they were sent to spread the virus. Taiwan also caught some infected Chinese being smuggled with their recalled citizens. Luckily they chose to require everyone to go through quarentine anyway.
https://www.eutimes.net/2020/02/china-caught-trying-to-intentionally-spread-coronavirus-in-taiwan/
Also apparently the WHO didn't consider this a pandemic until March 12th! They were in cahoots with China! Holy cow that's scary. Stop funds to them now! Use that money for paying down the debt of the country instead.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/02/chinas-deadly-coronavirus-lie-co-conspirator-the-world-health-organization/amp/
Oh also the grocery stores may be limiting supplies and/or not buying enough on purpose.
https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohio-dairy-farmers-are-having-to-dump-their-milk-while-some-grocery-stores-limit-purchase-quantities/32040910?fbclid=IwAR1qXiiE5NhEfGuDUH2cqpTbIdRc76xI Uwn4GhqyI9bFwzBNrERTWO7-v9k
i read somewhere China was barely contributing financially to WHO so its crazy the leaders would be so influenced by some cheap mfs. It’s usually the other way around where people throw money around n pay to “influence” but I don’t think I’d want to pay to be part of a group who is supposed to be neutral but they’re not