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arielbriel
04-29-2020, 03:16 AM
Day before we closed our doors I had dudes asking for kisses in VIP lmao I am not scared of losing customers. These mf not scared ENOUGH

Right, I have guys begging me to come over so yes, I would agree with you although they may be TOO BROKE to afford our VIP services haha.

Prettyglitter
04-29-2020, 04:34 AM
I really think they’ll be obsolete. They were already declining before this.

SnuffleUffleGrass
04-29-2020, 05:58 AM
Yeah, I think as time goes on, authoritarianism is going to gain traction. And a lot of it is happening because the people themselves want it. I’ve heard SO MUCH anger directed that Trump didn’t require lockdowns on the national level and left it up to the discretion of the states. Federal power will keep going higher and higher and it will be because the people demand it.

And since I’m kinda venturing into political stuff here, I also wanted to predict that if one *must* travel dance, the best bet in the short term would be to choose a club in a more conservative hick kind of place. Where the customers may be less likely to be scared off from the virus and maybe even want to go into a club and get a dance just because “I ain’t a pussy and scared of no virus, damn it!” And hopefully at a club where it’s not too expensive to work. I heard of a place in Kansas that was charging a $150 travelers fee to dancers shortly before they shut down a week or two later tho :/ so extortion may end up a thing. Just all a guess there.

Higher stage fees are fairly common in rural parts of the United States. It depends on how greedy the club owner is...….

You have to remember social culture is very regional in the United States and this pandemic has greatly affected metropolitan areas but not rural areas so much. I'll leave it at that.

& FWIW especially at corporate clubs, hygiene and health code regulations are a big deal. I used to talk a lot with the full time cleaning staff at my last corporate club (I speak Spanish) and most strip bars retain cleaning services or a full time cleaner to keep the place nice. Strip clubs are businesses.

StellaRose
04-29-2020, 07:45 AM
Yeah...I’m definitely hoping I’m wrong. :(

It’s just that whenever I’m in an affluent part of town, there’s masks everywhere and it’s mostly the medical grade one. I see men wearing them too even though there isn’t a wife with them. I even saw a dude just the other day in an n95 who was either late 20s or low 30s wearing an n95 and constantly darting around so that he was keeping his distance. At the time, I thought it was a funny sight. But hey maybe he has a grandma he cares about or something. It does start making me wonder if men—at least the more white collar urban and suburban group—will seriously keep this behavior up until the media dies down.

Adelina
04-29-2020, 09:22 AM
Yeah...I’m definitely hoping I’m wrong. :(

It’s just that whenever I’m in an affluent part of town, there’s masks everywhere and it’s mostly the medical grade one. I see men wearing them too even though there isn’t a wife with them. I even saw a dude just the other day in an n95 who was either late 20s or low 30s wearing an n95 and constantly darting around so that he was keeping his distance. At the time, I thought it was a funny sight. But hey maybe he has a grandma he cares about or something. It does start making me wonder if men—at least the more white collar urban and suburban group—will seriously keep this behavior up until the media dies down.


And especially with fear that "contact tracers" may bust them if these men become acquainted with people outside of their "immediate circle" for some "questionable intent", including sexual services, imo.

SnuffleUffleGrass
04-29-2020, 04:32 PM
I'm not that worried about Americans being tracked that closely. Ha, the FBI couldn't even find the Unabomber without assistance from his biological relatives, what makes anyone think Joe Average is going to get busted for staying out all night and partying at a titty bar?

I can't wait until Vegas opens back up, it'll be awesome. Our friends there are getting through quarantine just fine and I'm sure most of them are chomping at the bit for life to resume.

StellaRose
04-29-2020, 06:04 PM
Hmm, not sure on the contract tracing. One one hand, I do think it’s a real possibility it may end up happening, like it already is in other countries. Even without it, there’s already enough tracking happening and different cities have been ranked on how good they are at social distancing, comparatively speaking.

On the other hand, HIPPA patient privacy laws I would guess would prevent men getting busted. At least in a way that’s meaningful.

Pokahantas
04-30-2020, 07:49 AM
Also the rule in most of the Manhattan clubs is if you haven't worked in 3 months or more, you have to re-audition. Some its even two months. I wonder if there will be widespread re-auditions since you know everyone is getting fat in quarantine and not working out. It will also give them the perfect opportunity to "clean house" and then they can take the top girls from the clubs that do shut down.

You’re so right. Sad to admit that I put on some quarantine weight. It’s so depressing. Every day I am like okay do some house workouts and that workout turns into my bed, snacks and Netflix. I really need to get my old body back. Mind over matter yikes! Lol

Pokahantas
04-30-2020, 08:13 AM
Day before we closed our doors I had dudes asking for kisses in VIP lmao I am not scared of losing customers. These mf not scared ENOUGH

My sugar daddy was begging me to come to his house and was offering up some big dollars in the midst of the pandemic when it was really kicking up. They don’t care lol

arielbriel
04-30-2020, 01:17 PM
You’re so right. Sad to admit that I put on some quarantine weight. It’s so depressing. Every day I am like okay do some house workouts and that workout turns into my bed, snacks and Netflix. I really need to get my old body back. Mind over matter yikes! Lol

Hey girl, have you tried making a list of the things you want to accomplish today? First thing on my list is to do some small work out - some crunches, some squats, I don't do much.
Also, in regards to your SD. I had TWO customers begging me to come over who ended up with Covid-19, one almost died. They did indeed have girls come over ...and they got sick. See, I've been marketing to my club customers nudes,vids, face time, etc and a lot just want me to come by since they're "not sick". I decline, some of them still send money but others will just call a girl who will. I really wanna be like "told you so", but I'm working on me this quarantine lol.

Adelina
04-30-2020, 07:49 PM
Hey girl, have you tried making a list of the things you want to accomplish today? First thing on my list is to do some small work out - some crunches, some squats, I don't do much.
Also, in regards to your SD. I had TWO customers begging me to come over who ended up with Covid-19, one almost died. They did indeed have girls come over ...and they got sick. See, I've been marketing to my club customers nudes,vids, face time, etc and a lot just want me to come by since they're "not sick". I decline, some of them still send money but others will just call a girl who will. I really wanna be like "told you so", but I'm working on me this quarantine lol.

Damn. Sorry to hear about people getting sick. Good for you that you are being smart, stay safe!

Pokahantas
05-01-2020, 09:32 PM
Hey girl, have you tried making a list of the things you want to accomplish today? First thing on my list is to do some small work out - some crunches, some squats, I don't do much.
Also, in regards to your SD. I had TWO customers begging me to come over who ended up with Covid-19, one almost died. They did indeed have girls come over ...and they got sick. See, I've been marketing to my club customers nudes,vids, face time, etc and a lot just want me to come by since they're "not sick". I decline, some of them still send money but others will just call a girl who will. I really wanna be like "told you so", but I'm working on me this quarantine lol.

That sounds like a great starting point, thanks. I’ve been cleaning my house and doing lots of long overdue organizing and this really seems to be helping me move around the house more. Quarantine really has me evaluating my life more. I also went out and ran some errands and deliberately parked my car far away from the stores so I could get some walking in. It felt good and now I’m feeling that there’s hope lol. My bf is trying to find me a treadmill so I can get back on my routine like before they shutdown the gyms. I think I need to shed like 5 pounds and I’ll be back.

With my SD, girl I had to decline his offers although I needed it so bad because he’s old and fragile and I just didn’t want to be taking the risk of catching covid from him. He’s always sick and I just don’t know what’s going on with him. Oh hells no! So now you have me inspired to get up tomorrow and do some squats and crunches. I’ll keep you informed on my progress. Thanks :) stay safe.

neverendingkneebruises
05-01-2020, 10:18 PM
I really think they’ll be obsolete. They were already declining before this.

I'm going with "optimistic but realistic" here. I think it will take some time before the clubs pick up completely again. I think some things are going to change and some clubs are going to close (which I think some have already). I'm definitely looking into other vanilla options for work. But at the club as long as I'm regularly bringing home $25/hr it will be worth it to me. I mean people have forever complained the industry is declining and I don't doubt that that's not true but I only started in 2017 and there's definitely money to be made even as a non extras dancer. Maybe I won't be making $1k+ guaranteed a night but if what I'm making is worth it to me and allows me to have a great life and support myself and build my savings as it has been, I'll be happy. Maybe the "golden age" of having customers line up to take you for dances and VIP and making easier sales is over but even if clubs have declined strip clubs were still cash cows pre CoVid 2020. A LOT of vanilla businesses and workers can not say they bring in the same amount of renevue as even a small strip club. So as long as I'm happy with my overall profits and boundaries I'm staying. I think that's what you have to do really. If your earnings suck, is it your hustle, are you burnt out, is there anything you can change or improve with, or is it the club you're in, are you willing to relocate? Are you just not happy with the new standard of earnings? Really just gauge if it's worth it to you. If it's not, it may be time for you to find another line of work.

Adelina
05-02-2020, 07:44 PM
Club Onyx in Houston reopened as a restaurant with strippers wearing masks, no lap dances. Was raided the same night. A federal judge approved a temporary restraining order against the city of Houston, which means a strip club can stay open as a restaurant. Watching the development of this story.

jasmine22
05-02-2020, 09:03 PM
Club Onyx in Houston reopened as a restaurant with strippers wearing masks, no lap dances. Was raided the same night. A federal judge approved a temporary restraining order against the city of Houston, which means a strip club can stay open as a restaurant. Watching the development of this story.

urban clubs might still be ok stage only(they are more focused on stage anyways). It’s the clubs with private rooms that would struggle more with being legal and safe, and trying to stay profitable.

IvoryDoll
05-03-2020, 02:19 AM
So my county just gave the ok for any business to choose whether they want to open or not, and I’m sure my club will as soon as they can. However I honestly think I want to wait until August to go back... do you all think that’s too long of a wait? Summer usually always slower and with this on top of it... I think I will continue practicing and wait.

Ladycaxe
05-03-2020, 03:40 AM
So my county just gave the ok for any business to choose whether they want to open or not, and I’m sure my club will as soon as they can. However I honestly think I want to wait until August to go back... do you all think that’s too long of a wait? Summer usually always slower and with this on top of it... I think I will continue practicing and wait.

I dont think that is too muchh of a wait. It probably will be dead for a bit. W/ house fees and shit it might not even be worth it

SnuffleUffleGrass
05-03-2020, 05:58 AM
FWIW a lot of small strip clubs were running on fumes anyways. The majority of the ones I worked at before I retired out of stripping are either going to close or re-open after the Pandemic with management overhauls. Soooo many businesses have had to re-evaluate how they operate due to this unprecedented global emergency.


Buuuuut society isn't going to change, people aren't going to change. I see a LOT of opportunities for young women after this is all over, I'll leave it at that. "Lotus flowers grow out of deep mud".....

trustfundkiller
05-03-2020, 02:02 PM
Initially, I think things will be great because guys will be so eager to get out of their houses. Then I predict a slowdown as everyone deals with the aftermath of the coronavirus. But recession or not, the strip club industry has stood the test of time and it's not going anywhere. There will always be rich men, men with high credit limits and men who will factor beers and boobs into their budget. We just have to ride out the ebb and flow.

Adelina
05-03-2020, 02:32 PM
Question is, when will they reopen? I see no signs of any reopening soon in my area. Yesterday they have taped over benches, kids playground stuff, the water fountain in a park near me. I thought we were to reopen soon, the signs are of the opposite.

Selina M
05-03-2020, 03:45 PM
Yesterday they have taped over benches, kids playground stuff, the water fountain in a park near me. I thought we were to reopen soon, the signs are of the opposite.

It feels like that here too. They are letting non-essential retail open on May 8, yet as of tomorrow Costco is requiring masks for customers and Target is starting to actually enforce 6 feet apart in the lines. That doesn't really seem like a sign that things are on the downward slope.

Agree with the idea that it'll be busy & then drop dramatically. There was a little boom in online shopping after the first month or so of lockdowns, when people started getting stir crazy & spent a little money to cheer them up. I think we'll see a surge in restaurants/bars/clubs at first since everyone will just be like "oh thank God I can do something normal!" and then after that's out of their system, they'll really look at what kind of shape they're in financially.

neverendingkneebruises
05-04-2020, 07:36 PM
Initially, I think things will be great because guys will be so eager to get out of their houses. Then I predict a slowdown as everyone deals with the aftermath of the coronavirus. But recession or not, the strip club industry has stood the test of time and it's not going anywhere. There will always be rich men, men with high credit limits and men who will factor beers and boobs into their budget. We just have to ride out the ebb and flow.

Definitely agreed, it will be rough and will probably be a slow upwards trickle, but we'll probably be better off than a lot of people in other lines of work. I don't think strip clubs are recession proof, but they're hardy as hell. I don't know any other line of work I qualify for at the moment where I have the chance to make over $1k or even $500 or $300 in a single night.

SnuffleUffleGrass
05-05-2020, 07:21 AM
This is a hard thing for dancers to see when they're in the middle of their occupation (b/c stripping is stressful)- strip clubs are stress-relieving resources for men. There will always be a market for that, along with other personal spending goods or services.

This forum is full of helpful info about the business model of strip clubs (how the Pareto principle applies to dancer earnings, or how small strip bars maintain clientele, etc.)

In my mind the nice aftereffect of this Pandemic is the average strip bar will be CLEANER! I used to clean dressing rooms as part of my job & it would surprise you how dirty strip bars can get just from being open all the time. Good changes will come from this event.

ZeroSugarMonster
05-05-2020, 03:22 PM
Definitely agreed, it will be rough and will probably be a slow upwards trickle, but we'll probably be better off than a lot of people in other lines of work. I don't think strip clubs are recession proof, but they're hardy as hell. I don't know any other line of work I qualify for at the moment where I have the chance to make over $1k or even $500 or $300 in a single night.

A little off topic, but how much are those numbers in terms of net? How much are you making per year, esp when you take into account other costs of this job? $300-1k is a lot of money but how much is it in the larger scope of things?

Anyhow, I hope that clubs get cleaner w/less, great expectations.

neverendingkneebruises
05-05-2020, 03:55 PM
A little off topic, but how much are those numbers in terms of net? How much are you making per year, esp when you take into account other costs of this job? $300-1k is a lot of money but how much is it in the larger scope of things?

Anyhow, I hope that clubs get cleaner w/less, great expectations.

A lot of purchases are tax write offs though. Makeup, outfits, shoes, hair I can write that all off. I definitely made more than, say, when I worked at Ulta- I was paid $11/hr and had to wear a full face of makeup to work everyday that came out of pocket. With waitressing I had to supply my own shoes, pens, seasonal outfit changes and other things. Also transportation to/from work. Every job has expenses, even ones where the pay is dirt. I've found stripping to be profitable even after those expenses. The only downside for me has really been lack of insurance

ZeroSugarMonster
05-05-2020, 04:36 PM
A lot of purchases are tax write offs though. Makeup, outfits, shoes, hair I can write that all off. I definitely made more than, say, when I worked at Ulta- I was paid $11/hr and had to wear a full face of makeup to work everyday that came out of pocket. With waitressing I had to supply my own shoes, pens, seasonal outfit changes and other things. Also transportation to/from work. Every job has expenses, even ones where the pay is dirt. I've found stripping to be profitable even after those expenses. The only downside for me has really been lack of insurance


So what? You deduct these expenses and at the end, how much do you have left in your pocket for now and for later?

Sometimes I wonder if this gig is on par in terms of pay, as being a teacher. Not that I'd ever want to be a teacher bc of my work history in the adult industry. But teachers are generally thought of as not being paid very well, but at least they get benefits like health insurance and pension. This comparison is just to put things in perspective. Of course, I hope ppl on here are making more than an average annual teacher's salary.

With all that considered, that's why I'm such a stickler for not putting up with any of the customer bs that strippers seem to think is part of the job.

SnuffleUffleGrass
05-05-2020, 05:14 PM
So what? You deduct these expenses and at the end, how much do you have left in your pocket for now and for later?

Sometimes I wonder if this gig is on par in terms of pay, as being a teacher. Not that I'd ever want to be a teacher bc of my work history in the adult industry. But teachers are generally thought of as not being paid very well, but at least they get benefits like health insurance and pension. This comparison is just to put things in perspective. Of course, I hope ppl on here are making more than an average annual teacher's salary.

With all that considered, that's why I'm such a stickler for not putting up with any of the customer bs that strippers seem to think is part of the job.

I can speak with a bit of knowledge on teacher pay- they are paid well if they get hired at a decent school in a metropolitan area (United States) ...Private schools pay better than that (above median income) but often have stipulations about lifestyle and conduct. (More so than a public school.)

Depressingly even after expenses and insurance costs out of pocket, most strippers can outearn a lot of people. "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

arielbriel
05-05-2020, 05:28 PM
So what? You deduct these expenses and at the end, how much do you have left in your pocket for now and for later?

Sometimes I wonder if this gig is on par in terms of pay, as being a teacher. Not that I'd ever want to be a teacher bc of my work history in the adult industry. But teachers are generally thought of as not being paid very well, but at least they get benefits like health insurance and pension. This comparison is just to put things in perspective. Of course, I hope ppl on here are making more than an average annual teacher's salary.

With all that considered, that's why I'm such a stickler for not putting up with any of the customer bs that strippers seem to think is part of the job.

no, my mom is a teacher and I far outearn her even paying for my own benefits.

ZeroSugarMonster
05-05-2020, 06:33 PM
no, my mom is a teacher and I far outearn her even paying for my own benefits.

Yes, but your mom's salary goes up w/time, not down. Plus, that's not saying much bc nyc is incredibly expensive and 100-150k, even 200k-while it's a lot of money in absolute terms-isn't the same in relative terms, like in st. louis or detroit.

I have been deferring a healthy five figure into my 401k the last few years, and my taxable income is not really that much bc of that fact. So looking at the net, I do have doubts about this gig. Like, do ppl in conventional jobs get chunks of free money in the five digits from their employer to invest, all the while also getting paid 40-70k+?

What is the average personal, not household income, and how do we compare?

StellaRose
05-05-2020, 07:36 PM
By all means become a teacher, but beware the school district politicking BS in a lot of places that make some petty club environments look like the Brady Bunch. And most customers you can walk away from, or tell them to f themselves if you’re bored enough...bratty children/teenagers, not so much. Plus you have to teach according to their standards and you don’t have as much say in the flow there.

If you want to be an educator, because the idea of explaining things to others seems like something you would enjoy, then absolutely do it. And even then I question whether it would be more worth it to become a private tutor and find a good role there.

I’m saying all this from the point of view of freedom, not money. I agree with others that the money is still better.

One final note—I’d probably watch out for reports of how school districts are handling things this fall. If it’s mostly online, that’s probably one physical teacher they probably won’t need to hire soon.
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BUT that being said, it’s good to think long and hard about other options out there. Even with all this setback, there’s too many opportunities to find something else enjoyable. I’ve been doing a lot of that myself lately. (Admittedly in a baby phase on that)

arielbriel
05-05-2020, 07:58 PM
Are you aware you have to go to school for 6 years to be a teacher? And the cap of what my mom would be able to make, I've made more every year as as a stripper with half the hours? There's no way to compare because strippers don't really report their earnings accurately and even if they did, we wouldn't have access to it PLUS what I make you may not make and vice versa. If you want to be a teacher, do it for the passion, not for the money because the money sucks and that's a fact.

Selina M
05-06-2020, 12:14 AM
How did this devolve into a teaching vs stripping discussion?

I don't even think about benefits when trying to compare the two, because a lot of health insurance is such crap anyway that I don't see it as a big bonus. My SO has employer coverage & it's straight up trash. When he has had to use it, he's still had to pay almost the same as the cash price for things :O It's not worth the $$ out of his check. IMO, you're better off paying some of your income into an HSA or just a straight up savings fund & paying cash or doing a hospital payment plan if something major happens.

I don't know where anyone thinks teachers have a great gig. My friend was getting paid $43k/year with a MASTERS degree and working 60 hours a week. That's $18/hour and then 3 months of no pay at all. My 8th grade english teacher didn't break $50k until I was in college myself. Noooooo thank you.

Also, it's common practice here to lay off the older teachers so they can replace them with a 22 y/o at the bottom of the salary table. They don't always let them hit the upper end of the salary range.

Yayayasmine
05-06-2020, 02:34 AM
My cousin was a 2nd grade teacher for 3 years. She’s now working as a full-time flight attendant and making more money. And that’s crazy to me because flight attendants have an average of 10 days off a month and even with that she gets more benefits and money. It sucks that she sent so much time and money on that education and now she’s not even going to use it because it doesn’t financially fit for her. If that’s something that you’re really passionate about though, then the money’s secondary. I’m sure there are teachers who are doing well for themselves somewhere.

jasmine22
05-06-2020, 07:06 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-strip-clubs-coronavirus-20200504-wqryod2gt5fx7d4zty5in5ipdu-story.html%3foutputType=amp

How are all those girls in south Florida gonna sell pussy for cheap like they used to with all those rules? �� sorry I had to say it! But this gives a realistic idea of what it might be like.

lurkingtitties
05-06-2020, 07:31 AM
With regard to vanilla salaries, ya gotta keep in mind a couple things. First of all when people talk about their salaries they are generally talking about the gross salary. What they actually see in their paychecks is like 25-30% less because of taxes. Second, there is the time required to earn that check: 40 hours or more. Sometimes way more! So yes it can sound appealing to have a stable 40-75k paycheck as a teacher, but the reality is that they are taking home less and working far too many hours for that small paycheck. Furthermore with teaching in particular it takes literally decades to get into those higher salary brackets.

So let’s say a teacher is salaried at 50k, that’s $1000/week before takes. After taxes and insurance let’s estimate their check at $750. The teacher had to work probably 50 hours for that $750 paycheck, which required at least a bachelors degree and several years of experience. Whereas most entertainers are bringing home $750 after 5-20 hours of work with no formal education required. Entertainer expenses such as shoes, makeup, gym expenses do add up, but not to the same extent as a bachelors degree. Entertainers also are typically able to pay cash up front for work expenses rather than taking out loans for college.

The benefits of a professional career imo are things like being perceived more favorably by society, and qualifying more easily for traditional mortgages and financing. (Even though vanilla professionals are likely to have a lot more debt that sex workers!)

Saunders3
05-06-2020, 08:08 AM
it shoudl be closed for now because of the virus. after it end then open it.

Saunders3
05-06-2020, 08:10 AM
With regard to vanilla salaries, ya gotta keep in mind a couple things. First of all when people talk about their salaries they are generally talking about the gross salary. What they actually see in their paychecks is like 25-30% less because of taxes. Second, there is the time required to earn that check: 40 hours or more. Sometimes way more! So yes it can sound appealing to have a stable 40-75k paycheck as a teacher, but the reality is that they are taking home less and working far too many hours for that small paycheck. Furthermore with teaching in particular it takes literally decades to get into those higher salary brackets.

So let’s say a teacher is salaried at 50k, that’s $1000/week before takes. After taxes and insurance let’s estimate their check at $750. The teacher had to work probably 50 hours for that $750 paycheck, which required at least a bachelors degree and several years of experience. Whereas most entertainers are bringing home $750 after 5-20 hours of work with no formal education required. Entertainer expenses such as shoes, makeup, gym expenses do add up, but not to the same extent as a bachelors degree. Entertainers also are typically able to pay cash up front for work expenses rather than taking out loans for college.

The benefits of a professional career imo are things like being perceived more favorably by society, and qualifying more easily for traditional mortgages and financing. (Even though vanilla professionals are likely to have a lot more debt that sex workers!)
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arielbriel
05-06-2020, 01:55 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-strip-clubs-coronavirus-20200504-wqryod2gt5fx7d4zty5in5ipdu-story.html%3foutputType=amp

How are all those girls in south Florida gonna sell pussy for cheap like they used to with all those rules? �� sorry I had to say it! But this gives a realistic idea of what it might be like.


“Guys have been rolling dice with hookers ever since the beginning of time,” said Bishop. “We’re idiots when it comes to sex.”

-> Hilarious and so very true but will the girls want to go in ?

jasmine22
05-06-2020, 05:56 PM
With regard to vanilla salaries, ya gotta keep in mind a couple things. First of all when people talk about their salaries they are generally talking about the gross salary. What they actually see in their paychecks is like 25-30% less because of taxes. Second, there is the time required to earn that check: 40 hours or more. Sometimes way more! So yes it can sound appealing to have a stable 40-75k paycheck as a teacher, but the reality is that they are taking home less and working far too many hours for that small paycheck. Furthermore with teaching in particular it takes literally decades to get into those higher salary brackets.

So let’s say a teacher is salaried at 50k, that’s $1000/week before takes. After taxes and insurance let’s estimate their check at $750. The teacher had to work probably 50 hours for that $750 paycheck, which required at least a bachelors degree and several years of experience. Whereas most entertainers are bringing home $750 after 5-20 hours of work with no formal education required. Entertainer expenses such as shoes, makeup, gym expenses do add up, but not to the same extent as a bachelors degree. Entertainers also are typically able to pay cash up front for work expenses rather than taking out loans for college.

The benefits of a professional career imo are things like being perceived more favorably by society, and qualifying more easily for traditional mortgages and financing. (Even though vanilla professionals are likely to have a lot more debt that sex workers!)

I think the last part about qualifying for a mortgage and financing is important. Because it is difficult as a sex worker to get these things in life unless you really save everything and pay for it in full. But honestly, saving and paying in full is the best way to do it. These vanilla jobs do not pay a living wage, and I never understood how people can do them until I realized how much debt they were in. This coronavirus exposes this. Why are people in nice shiny (leased probably) car driving up to food banks? I bet a lot of those people are not poor...just “house poor”. When you add up a mortgage, car loan, any other financing....it’s overwhelming.

neverendingkneebruises
05-06-2020, 06:51 PM
I think the last part about qualifying for a mortgage and financing is important. Because it is difficult as a sex worker to get these things in life unless you really save everything and pay for it in full. But honestly, saving and paying in full is the best way to do it. These vanilla jobs do not pay a living wage, and I never understood how people can do them until I realized how much debt they were in. This coronavirus exposes this. Why are people in nice shiny (leased probably) car driving up to food banks? I bet a lot of those people are not poor...just “house poor”. When you add up a mortgage, car loan, any other financing....it’s overwhelming.

78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, more women are in debt than men (source (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/shutdown-highlights-that-4-in-5-us-workers-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html))
58% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings (source (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/58-americans-less-1-000-090000503.html))
80% of Americans have debt (source (https://www.daveramsey.com/blog/americans-have-debt))

It's not just sex workers fucked from this virus, almost every working American is. Even people with stable jobs have been laid off and their lives turned upside down. My friend was panicking on Fb when the lockdowns started, (she does vanilla work btw) "I can't believe just two weeks ago I had a savings, job security, and everyone in my family was healthy, in less than two weeks I have NONE of that, I know life isn't fair but WTF"

Your statement makes sense with those above facts being true, maybe they have food on the table, can live comfortably paying their bills and slowly stashing savings away.... until a national pandemic that nobody was expecting happens & that income is abruptly gone. Even though there's some financial aid it's just not going to help much, you know I've seen landlords everywhere saying rent MUST be paid or tenants will be evicted, even some landlords are not excusing rent during this crisis but simply minimally reducing or pausing it, so as soon as the "crisis" is over all those people are just going to be with a $3k+ rent bill that they must pay or face immediate eviction/homelessness. I saw someone else on my Fb happy that her landlord took $300 off one month of rent.... (I'm in an area where $1k-$1.5k is the standard going rate)

I'm just rambling at this point, because I'm running on 3 coffees & no sleep, but ugh this whole thing is just a mess, and coronavirus like you said, didn't necessarily create problems but expose a lot of them that have been there for a long while, just shushed away mostly by old dusty billionaires & poor Americans who think they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

neverendingkneebruises
05-06-2020, 07:21 PM
This is a hard thing for dancers to see when they're in the middle of their occupation (b/c stripping is stressful)- strip clubs are stress-relieving resources for men. There will always be a market for that, along with other personal spending goods or services.

This forum is full of helpful info about the business model of strip clubs (how the Pareto principle applies to dancer earnings, or how small strip bars maintain clientele, etc.)

A lot of dancers absolutely forget this. They get caught up on the day to day basis of the job and I get why, I was there once, it's difficult to see outside the box when you're worrying about your own money and bills to pay. I think personally a big factor as to why the clubs aren't doing so hot anymore (other than fewer people being able to prioritize luxury spending, easily accessible porn & Tinder, club extras etc) is because a lot of dancers just don't know how to hustle or don't bother. This could be partly a club's fault for hiring any girl they like the look of and not at least pointing them in the right direction for how to flirt, how to socialize, how to stack dances and get VIP rooms, how to make sales, how to invest in themselves, do's and don'ts. They just wanna collect house fees not realizing that by helping train their dancers just a LITTLE they'll also be collecting more dance cuts, more room fees, more bottle/alcohol sales, more tips in the long run. I noticed a lot of strippers are also open about the lifestyle online and social media and I think that's great but also kinda sucks because women who don't have any knowledge of strip clubs other than her favorite Insta baddie & what's portrayed in TV and other media think it's easy money and that they'll get paid to just swing around on a pole, then if they stay don't really make the effort to hardcore hustle and are perpetually stuck in burnout stage. HELL a club I worked at that wasn't doing so hot, a good chunk of the girls were so snooty and would sneer at the girls who would do flirty or dirty talk or act like a bimbo, assuming she was doing "extras" in the back room (which was impossible with the way the club was set up), literally they slut shamed the dancers that made any effort to treat the job like anything other than a circus/performance show with a little bit of casual talking and showed any real interest in the customers, those girls didn't get we didn't give a fuck about the customers and they weren't actually turning us on or having us like them, but that's the way into their wallets. They freaked out when men got boners during lap dances. Basically they forgot the club is supposed to be a fun time and if your customer is turned on that's gonna help you not hurt you. (So long as nothing dirty is ACTUALLY going on) That club btw, is struggling and the owner is looking to sell last I heard, because VIP, dance sales and overall traffic was low. (Nevermind the fact the managers hardcore played favorites and chased off a lot of the decent hustlers, it's like asking for your business to die) We know most if not every club has the handful of girls who are almost ALWAYS making money and the rest who don't work as hard or as smart as they could. In fact after I got out of my second room that night, one girl asked me how I "sucked" men into VIP so fast. And looked genuinely shocked when I told her most customers don't need longer than 3 songs to close, if you're the one they want to spend on.

Again I'm rambling so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But porn was accessible before the Internet and we do have the benefit of being in person. I do not doubt for a second that it hasn't affected our industry at all, but not everyone wants to just stare at a computer screen. I feel like if just some MORE of those girls overall put in more effort, the business overall would benefit. How many strippers sit in the back on their phones, complaining about slow nights, "wanna dance" all the customers, show up to work in the same worn out outfits & look sloppy night after night, disheveled level of drunk by the end of the night, look bored and disinterested on stage, bore the hell out of customers by sitting with them for ages or rambling on about random shit (read Hustle mistakes in Hustle Hut and you'll see what I mean). Vs How many dancers actually put effort into looking and being their best selves, come up with new sales tactics or learn new ones, (even purchasing their own "school/college tuition" in the form of psychology textbooks, or sales courses if they think they'd be useful), keep phone numbers on a burner # and answer when they're at work telling them to come in, basically thinking of the customer (I know customers are usually always dicks, but without their patronage we wouldn't have a job- so at least understanding that to have them coming back you gotta give them a good time as long as they're spending). Customers would want to come back and be happy to because they come for a fun time. I don't think the industry will completely die out, like I said earlier in this thread it will always be around in some form just like it's always been (women have been selling their time and company, without selling sex in exchange for ages), but I also think some things may change a lot.

IvoryDoll
05-06-2020, 07:54 PM
A lot of dancers absolutely forget this. They get caught up on the day to day basis of the job and I get why, I was there once, it's difficult to see outside the box when you're worrying about your own money and bills to pay. I think personally a big factor as to why the clubs aren't doing so hot anymore (other than fewer people being able to prioritize luxury spending, easily accessible porn & Tinder, club extras etc) is because a lot of dancers just don't know how to hustle or don't bother. This could be partly a club's fault for hiring any girl they like the look of and not at least pointing them in the right direction for how to flirt, how to socialize, how to stack dances and get VIP rooms, how to make sales, how to invest in themselves, do's and don'ts. They just wanna collect house fees not realizing that by helping train their dancers just a LITTLE they'll also be collecting more dance cuts, more room fees, more bottle/alcohol sales, more tips in the long run. I noticed a lot of strippers are also open about the lifestyle online and social media and I think that's great but also kinda sucks because women who don't have any knowledge of strip clubs other than her favorite Insta baddie & what's portrayed in TV and other media think it's easy money and that they'll get paid to just swing around on a pole, then if they stay don't really make the effort to hardcore hustle and are perpetually stuck in burnout stage. HELL a club I worked at that wasn't doing so hot, a good chunk of the girls were so snooty and would sneer at the girls who would do flirty or dirty talk or act like a bimbo, assuming she was doing "extras" in the back room (which was impossible with the way the club was set up), literally they slut shamed the dancers that made any effort to treat the job like anything other than a circus/performance show with a little bit of casual talking and showed any real interest in the customers, those girls didn't get we didn't give a fuck about the customers and they weren't actually turning us on or having us like them, but that's the way into their wallets. They freaked out when men got boners during lap dances. Basically they forgot the club is supposed to be a fun time and if your customer is turned on that's gonna help you not hurt you. (So long as nothing dirty is ACTUALLY going on) That club btw, is struggling and the owner is looking to sell last I heard, because VIP, dance sales and overall traffic was low. (Nevermind the fact the managers hardcore played favorites and chased off a lot of the decent hustlers, it's like asking for your business to die) We know most if not every club has the handful of girls who are almost ALWAYS making money and the rest who don't work as hard or as smart as they could. In fact after I got out of my second room that night, one girl asked me how I "sucked" men into VIP so fast. And looked genuinely shocked when I told her most customers don't need longer than 3 songs to close, if you're the one they want to spend on.

Again I'm rambling so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But porn was accessible before the Internet and we do have the benefit of being in person. I do not doubt for a second that it hasn't affected our industry at all, but not everyone wants to just stare at a computer screen. I feel like if just some MORE of those girls overall put in more effort, the business overall would benefit. How many strippers sit in the back on their phones, complaining about slow nights, "wanna dance" all the customers, show up to work in the same worn out outfits & look sloppy night after night, disheveled level of drunk by the end of the night, look bored and disinterested on stage, bore the hell out of customers by sitting with them for ages or rambling on about random shit (read Hustle mistakes in Hustle Hut and you'll see what I mean). Vs How many dancers actually put effort into looking and being their best selves, come up with new sales tactics or learn new ones, (even purchasing their own "school/college tuition" in the form of psychology textbooks, or sales courses if they think they'd be useful), keep phone numbers on a burner # and answer when they're at work telling them to come in, basically thinking of the customer (I know customers are usually always dicks, but without their patronage we wouldn't have a job- so at least understanding that to have them coming back you gotta give them a good time as long as they're spending). Customers would want to come back and be happy to because they come for a fun time. I don't think the industry will completely die out, like I said earlier in this thread it will always be around in some form just like it's always been (women have been selling their time and company, without selling sex in exchange for ages), but I also think some things may change a lot.

This has been my exact experience. Bitchy lazy girls who hate on the girls that talk and work the floor and put on good stage shows. They don’t understand how “that ugly bitch” over there makes more on stage... that ugly bitch ACTUALLY dances and is flexible and works the pole and SMILES doesn’t just half heartedly shake her ass and stare into oblivion lol.
I’ve literally been having a great time minding my business and talking/laughing w/ a customer and I glance over and there’s always a girl glaring at me. Eaves dropping on me. For what??? Holding a good conversation??? Lol or dogging me when we get up to go to the dance area. I hate nosey bitches so much

Selina M
05-06-2020, 07:56 PM
78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, more women are in debt than men (source (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/shutdown-highlights-that-4-in-5-us-workers-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html))
58% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings (source (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/58-americans-less-1-000-090000503.html))
80% of Americans have debt (source (https://www.daveramsey.com/blog/americans-have-debt))

It's not just sex workers fucked from this virus, almost every working American is. Even people with stable jobs have been laid off and their lives turned upside down. My friend was panicking on Fb when the lockdowns started, (she does vanilla work btw) "I can't believe just two weeks ago I had a savings, job security, and everyone in my family was healthy, in less than two weeks I have NONE of that, I know life isn't fair but WTF"
.

When this all first happened, I was astounded at the amount of people who were almost immediately fucked. This isn't even like a typical job loss scenario - almost all of my bills except rent were able to be suspended if I chose and I suspect that was the same for many people- so it's not even like you needed a full month expenses for each month.

Friends & acquaintances that weren't affected were offering us canned food and to buy us necessities. They have all been shocked when I've said no thank you, we'll be just fine for a few months. They assume that because they themselves have no savings that everyone lives like that. Living check to check and having zilch in savings is normal for most Americans.

It's sad and part of why I can't possibly see claiming this as the greatest country in the world. I don't consider 78% of your population living paycheck to paycheck being a good thing. Yeah, some is from choices they make, but there's a lot of people who are responsible but wages just don't add up high enough.

neverendingkneebruises
05-07-2020, 05:28 PM
This has been my exact experience. Bitchy lazy girls who hate on the girls that talk and work the floor and put on good stage shows. They don’t understand how “that ugly bitch” over there makes more on stage... that ugly bitch ACTUALLY dances and is flexible and works the pole and SMILES doesn’t just half heartedly shake her ass and stare into oblivion lol.
I’ve literally been having a great time minding my business and talking/laughing w/ a customer and I glance over and there’s always a girl glaring at me. Eaves dropping on me. For what??? Holding a good conversation??? Lol or dogging me when we get up to go to the dance area. I hate nosey bitches so much

Whenever someone's complaining in the fact that a certain customer wouldn't buy more than 1 dance from her, or was cheap, I go out and try to find him. Usually, more often than not, I can get him to spend on me. Because most dancers forget they're not just there to do lap dances they're there to make it fun. We need to make a connection with our customers (even on the most superficial levels). Hence why we're called "entertainers." I don't think "customers just don't have disposable income anymore" is THAT true at all because there's the richer men who this pandemic isn't even really affecting their wealth, and the customers who aren't well off are even capable of spending, credit cards exist, stripper addiction is as commonplace as gambling addiction. Strip clubs are a vice, I see people make stupid financial decisions everyday, buyers remorse happens ALL the time, so how come the other "vices" like casinos and nightclubs and normal bars, are doing generally well? Are the top earners at your club really sucking dick night after night because that's where the "real money" is, or are they just putting their all into every shift they have, make the customers' experience about the customer not themselves, and make effort to keep clientele? I know even top hustlers have their bad and horrid nights, and extras goes on in a lot of clubs, but if you effort and invest in your business (yes it's technically a business we got here), I guarantee you you will have a lot less bad nights overall. I find a lot of lazy girls who don't put in effort always watch other people's bags, get jealous about that "ugly bitch" making money when they're not, will complain about top earners doing "extras" or make fun of them because xyz appearance, meanwhile the top hustlers dgaf what they think & are laughing all the way to the bank.

Girls will also FLIP OUT if they spent an hour talking to a customer with no sale, and they bought him a drink, then you come along quickly and close the sale. Another reason I didn't like my old club, the girls would seriously customer camp. If you (in general) can't close a sale within 3 songs, move on. If it's busy you could pull off a sale in half that time. I will check in on them later because sometimes they DO mean "maybe later" (who tf wants to decide on the girl they want the SECOND they sit down with a drink? Yes it's annoying when you need money, but do you pick out what you want at the snap of a fingers at a new restaurant or whatever?) but that checkup won't last more than 30 seconds really. I GUARANTEE you if every girl did this the annoying customers expecting you to "sit and chat" for 20 mins before they bought a dance would either learn to spend fast or find a different club where that's acceptable (so less time waster cheapos at your club). Because the less girls giving away free time, the better.

Oh and as for your quote about the stage shows. You are SOOO right. You don't even have to be good at stage. If you can smile, look like you're genuinely having fun, and engage the crowd, that will get you leaps ahead instead of just looking bored. Pole tricks and flexibility does help (I don't know many tricks and am not flexible at all, currently trying to get there), but I noticed the girls that do BEST on stage at my club look sexy moving up there and like they're having a blast.
When it's slow day shift i'll make videos for Instagram and Onlyfans (not saying you have to make videos) while i'm practicing on the side satellite stage. Customers get curious what I'm doing over there and I look like I'm having fun and it's slow and the other 3 girls on shift are sitting in a group hunched over on their phones with RBF so he will come to me. I mean I know customers are annoying but try to think like one. Strip clubs at their core are still a form of hospitality service. And if you have a solid hustle it's so, SO difficult for a man to say "no" trust me. It's already difficult for people to say "no" to another drink, one more turn on the slot machine, one more little purchase at the store, and those are all inanimate objects add a sexy woman who seems into him and like she doesn't want the fun to end, into the mix, and $$$$. Hence why strip clubs or services women perform, like breastaurants or men's barber shops or hostess clubs in Japan or even ancient stuff like geishas, women getting paid to bathe men in bathhouses, have always done generally well and have since the beginning of time.

tempest666
05-07-2020, 06:40 PM
I'm buying bigger tits. Mine need to be replaced anyhow.

ZeroSugarMonster
05-07-2020, 07:39 PM
Are you aware you have to go to school for 6 years to be a teacher? And the cap of what my mom would be able to make, I've made more every year as as a stripper with half the hours? There's no way to compare because strippers don't really report their earnings accurately and even if they did, we wouldn't have access to it PLUS what I make you may not make and vice versa. If you want to be a teacher, do it for the passion, not for the money because the money sucks and that's a fact.

No, arielbriel, I really am not aware of anything. Also, it doesn't take six years to become a teacher. It takes a bachelors degree and a certification in most states, outside of New York City.

My point is that a lot of dancers are dancing because they have no other options, and that leads to them putting up w/a lot of crap that they shouldn't from the clubs themselves and the customers. The mindset is that this job is so much better than the alternatives, and so the way one is treated is ok.

Not all dancers earn as well as you do and many are struggling/barely getting by and put up w/a lot to make what they do. That's the point I was trying to make.

ZeroSugarMonster
05-07-2020, 07:51 PM
78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, more women are in debt than men (source (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/shutdown-highlights-that-4-in-5-us-workers-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html))
58% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings (source (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/58-americans-less-1-000-090000503.html))
80% of Americans have debt (source (https://www.daveramsey.com/blog/americans-have-debt))

It's not just sex workers fucked from this virus, almost every working American is. Even people with stable jobs have been laid off and their lives turned upside down. My friend was panicking on Fb when the lockdowns started, (she does vanilla work btw) "I can't believe just two weeks ago I had a savings, job security, and everyone in my family was healthy, in less than two weeks I have NONE of that, I know life isn't fair but WTF"

Your statement makes sense with those above facts being true, maybe they have food on the table, can live comfortably paying their bills and slowly stashing savings away.... until a national pandemic that nobody was expecting happens & that income is abruptly gone. Even though there's some financial aid it's just not going to help much, you know I've seen landlords everywhere saying rent MUST be paid or tenants will be evicted, even some landlords are not excusing rent during this crisis but simply minimally reducing or pausing it, so as soon as the "crisis" is over all those people are just going to be with a $3k+ rent bill that they must pay or face immediate eviction/homelessness. I saw someone else on my Fb happy that her landlord took $300 off one month of rent.... (I'm in an area where $1k-$1.5k is the standard going rate)

I'm just rambling at this point, because I'm running on 3 coffees & no sleep, but ugh this whole thing is just a mess, and coronavirus like you said, didn't necessarily create problems but expose a lot of them that have been there for a long while, just shushed away mostly by old dusty billionaires & poor Americans who think they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Many Americans are screwed bc they live beyond their means. The standard of living and the entitlement to it is very high. Single people buy three bedroom houses because that's what they've been taught. You can fit a small family into a one-bedroom, yet even single ppl for whatever reason feel entitled to a two bedroom. Then there are other factors like people remaining in expensive cities when they can't afford to or starting a family when it's not financially feasible.

It's true that wages have not kept up with inflation. It's also true that the cost of health care and higher education has surpassed inflation. Manufacturing moving abroad and service sector becoming the majority is also responsible for decrease in wealth of the average American. Yet, one can at least mitigate the effects of worst economic times with better financial planning.

Back to the original question, since strip clubs are luxuries for our customer base, business might be worse than before. That is, unless you are catering exclusively to the very wealthy. I worry that many clubs will be forced to close bc they are not eligible for the SBA loans but have expenses that do not stop just bc the club is closed, apart maybe from money savings in utility costs. I doubt that working online is a viable alternative bc online is saturated w/strippers and fssws and even regular women who have recently been laid off their jobs and unemployment benefits are not enough to keep afloat.

tempest666
05-07-2020, 08:05 PM
This industry is going to be fucked harder than the Kardashians getting gang banged at a Lakers victory party. The recession in 08 is a scratch compared to what the industry is going through now. There's going to be more competition and less customers. Hunger games 2.0
And management probably will make things even harder.

IvoryDoll
05-07-2020, 08:58 PM
Of all the deadly viruses that could have/will be introduced we did all this for one that 99% of people won’t be affected by. Imagine if we got one real bad... one that killed idk 50%+ of people who caught it. And we destroyed our economy for this one. Gonna be crying wolf in the future until shits REALLY too late lol

ZeroSugarMonster
05-07-2020, 09:03 PM
This industry is going to be fucked harder than the Kardashians getting gang banged at a Lakers victory party. The recession in 08 is a scratch compared to what the industry is going through now. There's going to be more competition and less customers. Hunger games 2.0
And management probably will make things even harder.

I hope you're wrong but I'm afraid that you're not. An earlier post here said the same thing. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

In the best case scenario, most of affluent(ish/er) customers will be largely unaffected because they continued to work, only from home and are now as eager as all of us/out-of-workers, ready to get back to work. The worst case scenario is that their 401ks will be down but other than that, they are not spending nearly as much on going out, so there will be more money to spend. That's the best case scenario though.