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IvoryDoll
05-07-2020, 11:39 PM
Well ladies looks like our time is done. Shall we join an ex-stripper pact and all go to college for our teaching degrees? Dibs on physical education!!!

Ladycaxe
05-08-2020, 12:24 AM
^ Sarcasm right? lols. i'm ready to get back to tha hustle babyyy~!!

arielbriel
05-08-2020, 12:39 AM
No, arielbriel, I really am not aware of anything. Also, it doesn't take six years to become a teacher. It takes a bachelors degree and a certification in most states, outside of New York City.

My point is that a lot of dancers are dancing because they have no other options, and that leads to them putting up w/a lot of crap that they shouldn't from the clubs themselves and the customers. The mindset is that this job is so much better than the alternatives, and so the way one is treated is ok.

Not all dancers earn as well as you do and many are struggling/barely getting by and put up w/a lot to make what they do. That's the point I was trying to make.

Yes, but I am in NYC, as is my mom. I can't know every state's teaching standards but what they earn vs what they pay for their education is drastic, especially if they have to get a masters.

arielbriel
05-08-2020, 12:40 AM
Many Americans are screwed bc they live beyond their means. The standard of living and the entitlement to it is very high. Single people buy three bedroom houses because that's what they've been taught. You can fit a small family into a one-bedroom, yet even single ppl for whatever reason feel entitled to a two bedroom. Then there are other factors like people remaining in expensive cities when they can't afford to or starting a family when it's not financially feasible.

It's true that wages have not kept up with inflation. It's also true that the cost of health care and higher education has surpassed inflation. Manufacturing moving abroad and service sector becoming the majority is also responsible for decrease in wealth of the average American. Yet, one can at least mitigate the effects of worst economic times with better financial planning.

Back to the original question, since strip clubs are luxuries for our customer base, business might be worse than before. That is, unless you are catering exclusively to the very wealthy. I worry that many clubs will be forced to close bc they are not eligible for the SBA loans but have expenses that do not stop just bc the club is closed, apart maybe from money savings in utility costs. I doubt that working online is a viable alternative bc online is saturated w/strippers and fssws and even regular women who have recently been laid off their jobs and unemployment benefits are not enough to keep afloat.

Agreed on all counts, however I am making more online that I would be if I didn't do anything. It's just about getting over this hump.

Anoushka
05-08-2020, 12:43 AM
She’s totally right... Majority of strippers are constantly broke. It’s a fact. It’s partly due to their expensive habits and poor financial discipline but also partly because there are very few actually nice money making clubs left. Sure, your average teacher might not make make much but they pay less in taxes and get benefits and have something to put on their resume should they retire and take up another job.

Ladycaxe
05-08-2020, 01:21 AM
I was a broke stripper for a while cuz i just didnt work. I'd go like 1-3 times a week.
i used to think i made a 1000 tonight. not gonna work the rest of the week :D
how dumb that was lol; on top of that i genuinely just didnt like my enviornment, especially the city i was living at the time
even when summer came, the club slowed doown baaaad and i could only pull 200 or less a night, i couldn't bring myself to work :( )


When i moved overseas, started dancing 4-5 days a week i finally paid off my debt and started saving up money
Unfortunately COVID cut me stacking up short -_-
....i miss the club


just really got put the work in. and i think a big problem is thaat not enough of us do


glad i changed my mind set and found somewhere i genuinely enjoy living/working
forsure the ones that are in this game for the long run are going to work super hard when this is over

but even a low earning potential at club, say 200 average a day...1000 a week
that's still 4k a month
which i would say is more than comfortable if u live below ur means

Ladycaxe
05-08-2020, 01:28 AM
my goal when all this ends is to keep working 4-5+ days a week
and more traveling
and when i get my own place again (saving money stayin w/ fam rn)
to get into some online work
i dont wanna cam, OF or content sales will be my choice



this is far off topic from the OG question but
i think we've already discussed this
my opinion is still that it might be slow for a bit but everything will eventually be back to normal
even better if theres the ..what's the term... people who have been pent up and ready to blow all their money
a lot of the users have already hit the nail w/ that one, i believe it to

On top of that maybe the quality of girls will be better.
The girls who are career dancers will probs be back in action, not too serious dancers going back to school lols

neverendingkneebruises
05-08-2020, 08:27 PM
I was a broke stripper for a while cuz i just didnt work. I'd go like 1-3 times a week.
i used to think i made a 1000 tonight. not gonna work the rest of the week :D
how dumb that was lol; on top of that i genuinely just didnt like my enviornment, especially the city i was living at the time
even when summer came, the club slowed doown baaaad and i could only pull 200 or less a night, i couldn't bring myself to work :( )


When i moved overseas, started dancing 4-5 days a week i finally paid off my debt and started saving up money
Unfortunately COVID cut me stacking up short -_-
....i miss the club


just really got put the work in. and i think a big problem is thaat not enough of us do


glad i changed my mind set and found somewhere i genuinely enjoy living/working
forsure the ones that are in this game for the long run are going to work super hard when this is over

but even a low earning potential at club, say 200 average a day...1000 a week
that's still 4k a month
which i would say is more than comfortable if u live below ur means

Thank you. I was a "broke stripper" too. But then I switched clubs, started investing in myself not just appearance wise but learning how to hustle, why men come to strip clubs and spend the money they do, started asking for tips, upselling and learning to stack dances, and started actually working more than 2 days a week. Cut it out with the excuses, "the industry is dying and the club will be dead tonight blah blah", stopped fucking around in the dressing room half the shift, stuck to a schedule (I may choose to stay later or work more days but I always make sure to work the same 3 days, 6 hours a week), even if I had a $1k night or even a $4k night, I'd still follow my schedule or go in the next day as planned. My earnings shot up significantly and I'm not even in a big city club.

I mean, if you feel the industry isn't worth it anymore and is dying, and relocating to where the money is isn't an option for you, by all means that's valid and I wish you well on your way out. But when coworkers in my club were complaining about how $200 a night seemed like pulling teeth nowadays and the glory days were over, $200 was on the low end of nightly earnings for me. (Obviously, horrid nights and amazing nights happen once in a while)
Like I said before, how many strippers actually treat it like a job, and try nowadays? And aren't perpetually stuck in burnout stage?

With all that said, I think as predicted the clubs may be ass for a while and I'm looking for another line of work on the side while they pick up. That's just being realistic. But if people aren't scared to go to restaurants, bars, salons, nightclubs, movie theaters, theme parks, and other places after the virus (they obviously aren't because of the protesting idiots), I don't think they'll be scared of the strip club.

Ladycaxe
05-09-2020, 10:04 AM
If anything I'd love to work at a smaller city club as opposed to be a bigger city club
I've always loved small/ homey clubs <3 like 30 girls or less on a busy night lol yasss
they have good regulars & even tho i was making good money in vegas, the competitiveness/cattiness was just over the top lol. and slow weekends would be like 60+ ( small for vegas x) girls to very few guys lols.

end of the day theres always going to be consumers for our industry. men are never gonna stop wanting sex/sexual experiences xD Online work is great too, but someones always going to want in to the club for that one on one experience i dont think that'll ever change.
Besides that its legal and they dont take the same risk as hiring an escort

yaya_cash
05-09-2020, 11:36 AM
“Guys have been rolling dice with hookers ever since the beginning of time,” said Bishop. “We’re idiots when it comes to sex.”

-> Hilarious and so very true but will the girls want to go in ?

It's so ironic that practices in the mainstream clubs will be the polar opposite, now.

Bloom2018
05-09-2020, 11:49 AM
I hope clubs who make it through this difficult time enforce stricter contact rules to incentivize private dances and help dancers maintain better health. Less grabby customers! More money! Also hopefully charge more for lap dances to adjust for inflation. Re-openings would mark the ideal time to add changes like these.

arielbriel
05-09-2020, 03:17 PM
It's so ironic that practices in the mainstream clubs will be the polar opposite, now.

What do you mean?

IvoryDoll
05-09-2020, 10:03 PM
I was thinking... fast food places aren’t hurting. People are still buying their McDonald’s and panda. Restaurants are still getting take out orders. Clothing and makeup websites, subscription services like Netflix, only fans, etc still have clientele. People can’t wait to get their hair done, nails done, go shopping. So why are we worried about all the strip clubs dying out again? YES we will take a pay cut. That DOES NOT mean you are going to be leaving with $0 night after night. Would you rather take home $100-$200 a night (with the option of working every night) or go to that minimum wage job you hate and wait 2 weeks for your pay check after the government gets his tip out off it?

Ladycaxe
05-09-2020, 10:14 PM
That part ^

random stripper
05-10-2020, 01:58 AM
I hope clubs who make it through this difficult time enforce stricter contact rules to incentivize private dances and help dancers maintain better health. Less grabby customers! More money! Also hopefully charge more for lap dances to adjust for inflation. Re-openings would mark the ideal time to add changes like these.


Yeah I am kinda hoping for the same thing. I'd been getting major burnout because it seems like most clubs it is perfectly ok to touch dancers for the cheap $20-25 dances, and I was personally finding even the clubs that are either "no touching" or "no touching on the floor" didn't actually enforce it. I understand it is up to the girls to enforce it but it gets tiring dealing with that shit when most girls don't care even in "no touch" clubs. Like if a club is in the no touching or no touching on the floor category like I expect it to really be that. What I do not expect is for dudes to like try and be slick about touching in these clubs and girls sitting on laps while having their butt fondled for 30 min+ to try and get sales. That is still touching by my definition. Also a dude trying to touch your leg or something when you are talking to him is still touching, hello! I was getting tired of swatting hands away etc and then say you slap a customer oh you gotta leave because you are drama. No, how about you make them leave. Like what is my house fee and tipout money and vip room cuts going to? I realize that when I pay out a lot I also made a lot, but I often felt like I was at least entitled to some benefits from the club to like back me up if there are issues- and they sure don't.

All in all I miss the fast money, but I was getting extremely fed up with the zero standards nature of the stripping biz. Maybe in my case it is good that this is forcing me to consider other options for the long term- more so than I was previously.


I was thinking... fast food places aren’t hurting. People are still buying their McDonald’s and panda. Restaurants are still getting take out orders. Clothing and makeup websites, subscription services like Netflix, only fans, etc still have clientele. People can’t wait to get their hair done, nails done, go shopping. So why are we worried about all the strip clubs dying out again? YES we will take a pay cut. That DOES NOT mean you are going to be leaving with $0 night after night. Would you rather take home $100-$200 a night (with the option of working every night) or go to that minimum wage job you hate and wait 2 weeks for your pay check after the government gets his tip out off it?

I was thinking the same actually. When clubs re-open I guess I can't be too upset or surprised if the money is very low initially if I am back in the clubs at that point. Actually, fast food places have laid off a lot of workers. I can't speak for all the chains, but there is at least 1 chain around here that I know for a fact laid off a lot of people.

arielbriel
05-10-2020, 02:37 AM
Yeah I am kinda hoping for the same thing. I'd been getting major burnout because it seems like most clubs it is perfectly ok to touch dancers for the cheap $20-25 dances, and I was personally finding even the clubs that are either "no touching" or "no touching on the floor" didn't actually enforce it. I understand it is up to the girls to enforce it but it gets tiring dealing with that shit when most girls don't care even in "no touch" clubs. Like if a club is in the no touching or no touching on the floor category like I expect it to really be that. What I do not expect is for dudes to like try and be slick about touching in these clubs and girls sitting on laps while having their butt fondled for 30 min+ to try and get sales. That is still touching by my definition. Also a dude trying to touch your leg or something when you are talking to him is still touching, hello! I was getting tired of swatting hands away etc and then say you slap a customer oh you gotta leave because you are drama. No, how about you make them leave. Like what is my house fee and tipout money and vip room cuts going to? I realize that when I pay out a lot I also made a lot, but I often felt like I was at least entitled to some benefits from the club to like back me up if there are issues- and they sure don't.

All in all I miss the fast money, but I was getting extremely fed up with the zero standards nature of the stripping biz. Maybe in my case it is good that this is forcing me to consider other options for the long term- more so than I was previously.



I was thinking the same actually. When clubs re-open I guess I can't be too upset or surprised if the money is very low initially if I am back in the clubs at that point. Actually, fast food places have laid off a lot of workers. I can't speak for all the chains, but there is at least 1 chain around here that I know for a fact laid off a lot of people.

AMEN, girl, yes I miss the money but the bullshit you have to deal with was getting tiring as well. I don't miss the hand swatting AT all. But then again, online, or other forms of work also have their downsides..at least we can make crazy money with minimal hours stripping. I promise I won't complain when/if we reopen. =P

yaya_cash
05-10-2020, 03:01 AM
What do you mean?

Prior to the social distancing protocol very close physical contact was acceptable in these club / establishments. Now, they might just be fined or closed down by authorities if they don't practice social distancing-

arielbriel
05-10-2020, 03:17 AM
Prior to the social distancing protocol very close physical contact was acceptable in these club / establishments. Now, they might just be fined or closed down by authorities if they don't practice social distancing-

Oh yes, I've heard from one club that is open that lapdances are no longer allowed. You can dance in front of the customer and customers have to be social distanced, its nuts.

LexyNYC
05-10-2020, 09:08 AM
My point is that a lot of dancers are dancing because they have no other options, and that leads to them putting up w/a lot of crap that they shouldn't from the clubs themselves and the customers. The mindset is that this job is so much better than the alternatives, and so the way one is treated is ok.

Not all dancers earn as well as you do and many are struggling/barely getting by and put up w/a lot to make what they do. That's the point I was trying to make.

I understand why a lot of girls on here get defensive when vanilla work is brought up, this is stripper web after all. The response to any discussion of vanilla work is usually dismissive and along the lines of "stripping is better than minimum wage". Lots of people on here want to make stripping work for them, come hell or high water.

I danced from 2010 to 2019 and I was a big fish in the black NYC/NJ clubs. I fully get the appeal of stripping. When it's good, it's great. What other job can you walk in with just your tip out and leave with $1000? Not many. But like you said, if we're being honest, the vast majority of dancers are absolutely not making $1000 per shift or anywhere close to it. I knew so many girls who were stripping for years and didn't have a pot to piss in. I worked with a lot of girls that made money in the club but still couldn't independently afford an apartment and car. Money was a liquid, running right through their hands. That wasn't my story. I actually had tangible things to show for myself and my choices but still, stripping eventually became unbearable for me.

Transitioning out of stripping is a scary thought. I know because I wanted to stop dancing for years but like many people on here, I thought I couldn't find a better gig without a college degree. And what gig would I be qualified for with a work history that included retail as a teen and then damn near a decade of sex work?

Well, I took the leap and hung up my heels around this time last year. It's been such a turning point in my life. I know some people that frequent this site are on here looking for a path out of dancing and I hope the rest of my post helps them.




I finally started listening to my mom instead of my peers. My peers told me that being a CNA is a minimum wage job. My mom told me it would be a good way out of stripping. She was right and I haven't made minimum wage since 2009. I'm in NJ and becoming a CNA cost me a whopping $1100. It's a 5 week course that was actually 4 weeks. I took the certification exam on a Monday. I applied to jobs on Indeed on Tuesday. And on Wednesday I had 7 calls for interviews from different nursing homes. The next day I went shopping for interview clothes and while I was in the dressing room, a hospital called me. About 4 other nursing homes called me that day but because I was a nursing student, I only cared about the hospital. Anywho, I was worried about the interview because I would have to do the thing I had been dreading the most which was explaining the gap in my work history.

I lied on my resume and wrote that I was a self employed seamstress for that 9 year period. Because it wasn't healthcare related, the hospital didn't care or ask me about it since it wasn't relevant work history. All the nursing homes that called me obviously didn't care either. All that they cared about was whether or not I met the qualifications which meant being CNA and CPR certified. That was it. I got hired at a hospital the literal week I finished the CNA course and boom, my stripping past suddenly no longer mattered. Starting pay was $15/hr and $18/weekends. Full time was 3 days a week (12.5 hr shifts) and they had all the overtime you'd want. I was a hustler in the club and I'm a hustler everywhere. There was a 2 week period where I worked 147 hours.

After 8 months, I began to lose respect for my lazy ass coworkers and I knew I could find greener grass because that's the nature of working in healthcare, even as a CNA. I quit and was hired a week later at a better hospital. Now I make $24.35/hr (because I'm new, it'll be $26 something when I'm off the probationary period). They're giving me phlebotomy training which boosts me from a CNA to a patient care tech. I also work for two agencies which are a lot like stripping in the regard that there is no schedule and you can pick up shifts when you want. In order to work for an agency, you have to have 6 months to a year experience. The agencies will tell you how much the shift pays and they do a weekly direct deposit. Some of the agencies (even before covid) were offering $21/hr for nursing home shifts. Post covid, one agency is offering $25/hr for each shift and the other agency changes their shift pay depending on how the wind blows but it ranges from $18 to $30/hr. I know that there are parts of the country where CNAs get paid shit (there are nursing homes in NJ that fall into that category) but that's also a lot like stripping in that you have the choice to go where the money is. You're not forced to work where they're paying peanuts. And being a CNA is a job you can get tomorrow. Tons of nursing homes will hire you on the spot and train you. They may not give you the state certification but they will give you a job which you can use on your resume after you eventually go to the 4 weeks worth of classes to be certified.

Had I listened to my peers who talked about being a CNA like it was the most bottom of the barrel job in the world, I would be absolutely fucked right now. Instead, my life has done a complete 180. I no longer have a drinking problem. My mental well-being is sky high. I no longer have to shave my vagina before I go to work. I no longer have to worry about everybody filming me nearly nude while I'm just trying to earn a living. I no longer have to entertain, dance on, talk to, or be touched by random men. I no longer have to deal with the ups and downs of working for tips after paying an upfront house fee. I will never go to work and leave in the red. The IRS no longer bills me, it pays me. I can go on and on. Switching to a vanilla job has positively changed everything about my life. I now have stability, peace of mind, and a sense of purpose that I never had with dancing. And all it took to get out of my old life was $1100 and a month's time.

IvoryDoll
05-10-2020, 09:25 AM
I understand why a lot of girls on here get defensive when vanilla work is brought up, this is stripper web after all. The response to any discussion of vanilla work is usually dismissive and along the lines of "stripping is better than minimum wage". Lots of people on here want to make stripping work for them, come hell or high water.

I danced from 2010 to 2019 and I was a big fish in the black NYC/NJ clubs. I fully get the appeal of stripping. When it's good, it's great. What other job can you walk in with just your tip out and leave with $1000? Not many. But like you said, if we're being honest, the vast majority of dancers are absolutely not making $1000 per shift or anywhere close to it. I knew so many girls who were stripping for years and didn't have a pot to piss in. I worked with a lot of girls that made money in the club but still couldn't independently afford an apartment and car. Money was a liquid, running right through their hands. That wasn't my story. I actually had tangible things to show for myself and my choices but still, stripping eventually became unbearable for me.

Transitioning out of stripping is a scary thought. I know because I wanted to stop dancing for years but like many people on here, I thought I couldn't find a better gig without a college degree. And what gig would I be qualified for with a work history that included retail as a teen and then damn near a decade of sex work?

Well, I took the leap and hung up my heels around this time last year. It's been such a turning point in my life. I know some people that frequent this site are on here looking for a path out of dancing and I hope the rest of my post helps them.




I finally started listening to my mom instead of my peers. My peers told me that being a CNA is a minimum wage job. My mom told me it would be a good way out of stripping. She was right and I haven't made minimum wage since 2009. I'm in NJ and becoming a CNA cost me a whopping $1100. It's a 5 week course that was actually 4 weeks. I took the certification exam on a Monday. I applied to jobs on Indeed on Tuesday. And on Wednesday I had 7 calls for interviews from different nursing homes. The next day I went shopping for interview clothes and while I was in the dressing room, a hospital called me. About 4 other nursing homes called me that day but because I was a nursing student, I only cared about the hospital. Anywho, I was worried about the interview because I would have to do the thing I had been dreading the most which was explaining the gap in my work history.

I lied on my resume and wrote that I was a self employed seamstress for that 9 year period. Because it wasn't healthcare related, the hospital didn't care or ask me about it since it wasn't relevant work history. All the nursing homes that called me obviously didn't care either. All that they cared about was whether or not I met the qualifications which meant being CNA and CPR certified. That was it. I got hired at a hospital the literal week I finished the CNA course and boom, my stripping past suddenly no longer mattered. Starting pay was $15/hr and $18/weekends. Full time was 3 days a week (12.5 hr shifts) and they had all the overtime you'd want. I was a hustler in the club and I'm a hustler everywhere. There was a 2 week period where I worked 147 hours.

After 8 months, I began to lose respect for my lazy ass coworkers and I knew I could find greener grass because that's the nature of working in healthcare, even as a CNA. I quit and was hired a week later at a better hospital. Now I make $24.35/hr (because I'm new, it'll be $26 something when I'm off the probationary period). They're giving me phlebotomy training which boosts me from a CNA to a patient care tech. I also work for two agencies which are a lot like stripping in the regard that there is no schedule and you can pick up shifts when you want. In order to work for an agency, you have to have 6 months to a year experience. The agencies will tell you how much the shift pays and they do a weekly direct deposit. Some of the agencies (even before covid) were offering $21/hr for nursing home shifts. Post covid, one agency is offering $25/hr for each shift and the other agency changes their shift pay depending on how the wind blows but it ranges from $18 to $30/hr. I know that there are parts of the country where CNAs get paid shit (there are nursing homes in NJ that fall into that category) but that's also a lot like stripping in that you have the choice to go where the money is. You're not forced to work where they're paying peanuts. And being a CNA is a job you can get tomorrow. Tons of nursing homes will hire you on the spot and train you. They may not give you the state certification but they will give you a job which you can use on your resume after you eventually go to the 4 weeks worth of classes to be certified.

Had I listened to my peers who talked about being a CNA like it was the most bottom of the barrel job in the world, I would be absolutely fucked right now. Instead, my life has done a complete 180. I no longer have a drinking problem. My mental well-being is sky high. I no longer have to shave my vagina before I go to work. I no longer have to worry about everybody filming me nearly nude while I'm just trying to earn a living. I no longer have to entertain, dance on, talk to, or be touched by random men. I no longer have to deal with the ups and downs of working for tips after paying an upfront house fee. I will never go to work and leave in the red. The IRS no longer bills me, it pays me. I can go on and on. Switching to a vanilla job has positively changed everything about my life. I now have stability, peace of mind, and a sense of purpose that I never had with dancing. And all it took to get out of my old life was $1100 and a month's time.

That’s the thing. You wanted out. Some of us don’t. Some of us love dancing. We don’t want to do anything else as of right now. And what college has $1100 certificates because I would jump on that so quick and become an RN lol. I went to a scamming private college for vet tech and now I’m $30,000 in debt and no veterinary job. Especially now during all that’s happening not all of us can jump into school especially as a first year. I am very happy that you are financially secure and happy with what you do, but you are also in a very privileged position. I hope you aren’t saying this as a “I can do it so you all have no excuse” because that isn’t really reality for some of us.

random stripper
05-10-2020, 09:59 AM
I think lexynyc was only trying to help by saying theres fast certs one can get to be in demand vs fighting for bs minimum wage jobs. She was talking about an $1100 quick cert for CNA not an RN which takes at least 2 yrs and def more money... in my area the RN associates is really a 3 year degree because they need 1 year of prereqs to even start the 2 year program. I don't get how she is privileged?? She took the initiative/time/money to get something else going. Good for her! It isn't like it was all just handed to her for being well connected.

Adelina
05-11-2020, 01:07 PM
I will not be surprised if dancers become employees. They are already saying "cash may have the virus on it".

neverendingkneebruises
05-12-2020, 12:59 AM
I will not be surprised if dancers become employees. They are already saying "cash may have the virus on it".

ughh I hope it's not mandatory. At my club when you're hired, you can choose independent contractor or employee.
Maybe they will implement some sort of e-tipping system. Imagine dancing on stage with your phone next to you and your Venmo keeps buzzing off like crazy :rotfl: lol nah I hope that's not the case.

I saw one club that has a stage cam, I know not everyone would want that, but I also saw you can pay by the minute to chat with the dancer privately. Like a camgirl chat room but set up by the club. Thought that was neat.

Ladycaxe
05-12-2020, 04:25 AM
some1 said "Fuck it imma become a CNA" is the stripper version of "fuck it imma become a stripper" xD

LexiNYC that's really dope and you are getting paid well congrats
& I feels u ivory
i feel like it's considered shameful now a days to want to stay in the sex industry instead of going to a more traditional job

honestly i dont want to. I dont wanna work in a hospital, i dont wanna work behind a bar, I dont wanna work at a desk....I'm happy w/ what i'll do and when i cant strip no more*** i'll find another avenue of sex work... or become a housemom (lol). I don't (or try not) to care of what society thinks we as dancers/ SW should do w/ our life. If you are happy,, are making money, and saving up, why does it matter what job u do? I've never in my life been happier being in the sex industry, being my own boss, getting paid and having fun! what's the point of appeasing others for their own comfort.

TBF idk what this whole conversation had to do w/ what strip clubs will be like but theres my two cents

Speaking of which, who decides when you cant strip anymore? Like damn i've seen 50 years old making BANK (welcome to vegas..)...+ when i started at 22 there was this danceer in her mid 30s or possibly 40s and ooohhh weee she badd asffff!! Point is i'll stop when EYE want to, or when i stop making money or getting hired xD

Ladycaxe
05-12-2020, 04:41 AM
I will not be surprised if dancers become employees. They are already saying "cash may have the virus on it".

Who would want to make us employees anyway? the club or the feds?
I dont think being an employee is bad. The problem is clubs (aka California) abusing the system . like charging house fees on top of minimum wage + minimal hours and whatever bs is going on


being an employee would mean health insurance , unemployment benefits, no house fees, hourly pay on top of dances, easier tax filing, etc. .

When i first heard Cali dancers would be employees, i was actually happy and thought i might go back. but not if they are gonna stay BS-ing. Anyways a LOT of Cali clubs are getting sued. Probaably for the best, hopefully they can make things right and actually beneficial 4 dancers one day

neverendingkneebruises
05-12-2020, 06:05 AM
some1 said "Fuck it imma become a CNA" is the stripper version of "fuck it imma become a stripper" xD

Off topic but that's funny because the other day I saw the male equivalent was "fuck it, I'm enlisting in the military." LOL

Vyanka
05-12-2020, 10:39 AM
I will not be surprised if dancers become employees. They are already saying "cash may have the virus on it".


Hmmm. Idk. The clubs make money out of house fees.

One good thing that could come out of this for the remaining clubs is not to let every Joe Schmoe aka human furniture in through the door. Not spending...gtfo. NO free entrance/drinks to see naked girls for free. I always hated this. It invites cheap fucks. Our naked bodies should not be for free.

IvoryDoll
05-12-2020, 10:53 AM
Hmmm. Idk. The clubs make money out of house fees.

One good thing that could come out of this for the remaining clubs is not to let every Joe Schmoe aka human furniture in through the door. Not spending...gtfo. NO free entrance/drinks to see naked girls for free. I always hated this. It invites cheap fucks. Our naked bodies should not be for free.

Omg yasss. And instead of raise all our tip outs and fining us over the dumbest little shit they can raise THEIR cover charge and lap dance prices. And ABSOLUTELY NO MF TOUCHING

Vyanka
05-12-2020, 10:59 AM
Speaking of which, who decides when you cant strip anymore? Like damn i've seen 50 years old making BANK (welcome to vegas..)...+ when i started at 22 there was this danceer in her mid 30s or possibly 40s and ooohhh weee she badd asffff!! Point is i'll stop when EYE want to, or when i stop making money or getting hired xD

Amen to that :yes:

Vyanka
05-12-2020, 11:02 AM
Omg yasss. And instead of raise all our tip outs and fining us over the dumbest little shit they can raise THEIR cover charge and lap dance prices. And ABSOLUTELY NO MF TOUCHING

Yeah, that's another thing. If they want to raise a dancer's fee, then her lapdance fee is gonna have to be more... and yes, no fucking touching on the damn floor.

neverendingkneebruises
05-13-2020, 02:41 PM
Hmmm. Idk. The clubs make money out of house fees.

One good thing that could come out of this for the remaining clubs is not to let every Joe Schmoe aka human furniture in through the door. Not spending...gtfo. NO free entrance/drinks to see naked girls for free. I always hated this. It invites cheap fucks. Our naked bodies should not be for free.

Yup I really wish more clubs would enforce "tip to stay" policy. So many cheap fucks think the cover is the cost to sit and watch the "show" all night. -.-
But even if there's a cover that's better than free entry. You shouldn't be able to get into a fucking strip club for free. We aren't naked out of the kindness of our hearts. Entitled fucks

arielbriel
05-13-2020, 04:04 PM
Yup I really wish more clubs would enforce "tip to stay" policy. So many cheap fucks think the cover is the cost to sit and watch the "show" all night. -.-
But even if there's a cover that's better than free entry. You shouldn't be able to get into a fucking strip club for free. We aren't naked out of the kindness of our hearts. Entitled fucks

They don't care as long as they buy drinks SMH.

Seatortuga
05-15-2020, 04:34 PM
I'm REALLY interested in seeing how the LA area nude clubs handle this.

In LA, we are W2 employees. They pay us our wage out of our lap dances. If there's no private dances, the club makes next to nothing. There's no food or alcohol in our clubs, either. I mean, we can do stage only, but are they going to make us give $15 for each hour we work to give us back on our check? What about the rest of the club's overhead?

I'm really anxious to know..

yaya_cash
05-19-2020, 08:55 AM
Do you all think strip clubs will be crying for entertainers since a lot of girls have onlyfans / doing virtual dates now and don't have to deal with the BS of the club, once they reopen?

Onlyfans is almost the new strip club of the 2020s.

neverendingkneebruises
05-19-2020, 09:35 AM
Do you all think strip clubs will be crying for entertainers since a lot of girls have onlyfans / doing virtual dates now and don't have to deal with the BS of the club, once they reopen?

Onlyfans is almost the new strip club of the 2020s.

Nah. I miss the club, and can't wait to go back, and every one of my coworkers feels the same from what I've seen. Way more money potential for me personally. And my club has way less bullshit than getting customers online. Scammers, time wasters and creeps are rampant online too. (all you have to do to prove that is hop on over to Camming Connection and do some reading there) For me in person has a great advantage over online only.
Also just because someone is a stripper, doesn't mean they want to do Onlyfans. I don't want my porn all over the internet forever, (because people can steal it and reupload, more likely the more successful you become) I don't want to be doxxed by any internet crazies. Just like not all people with vanilla jobs want to do adult industry work at all, not all camgirls want to be strippers, not all strippers want to be escorts, not all escorts want to be phone sex operators or sell pics, and vice versa for every single form of adult work. Just because you do one, doesn't mean you're open to all of them.

If anything I think the clubs are going to be FLOODED for a while from girls who need money because they haven't been able to work, and new baby strippers out of financial need, or because they were bored for so long. (Don't think the baby strippers will last, but it's something to factor)
I'm actually not looking forward to it, so gonna stick to early day shift for a while, honestly.

arielbriel
05-19-2020, 01:57 PM
Nah. I miss the club, and can't wait to go back, and every one of my coworkers feels the same from what I've seen. Way more money potential for me personally. And my club has way less bullshit than getting customers online. Scammers, time wasters and creeps are rampant online too. (all you have to do to prove that is hop on over to Camming Connection and do some reading there) For me in person has a great advantage over online only.
Also just because someone is a stripper, doesn't mean they want to do Onlyfans. I don't want my porn all over the internet forever, (because people can steal it and reupload, more likely the more successful you become) I don't want to be doxxed by any internet crazies. Just like not all people with vanilla jobs want to do adult industry work at all, not all camgirls want to be strippers, not all strippers want to be escorts, not all escorts want to be phone sex operators or sell pics, and vice versa for every single form of adult work. Just because you do one, doesn't mean you're open to all of them.

If anything I think the clubs are going to be FLOODED for a while from girls who need money because they haven't been able to work, and new baby strippers out of financial need, or because they were bored for so long. (Don't think the baby strippers will last, but it's something to factor)
I'm actually not looking forward to it, so gonna stick to early day shift for a while, honestly.

Yes, speaking as a stripper who switched over to online work due to COrona, that shit is NOT easy. I work easily double or triple the hours for less than half the money but it's keeping my bills paid and I can save a bit from it, so I am not gonna complain. Nonetheless, when it's safe to go back to the club, I will. I make more at the club with less time spent and more anonymity. There are ways to do online work with less risks. Right now I see girls doing full on porn with their face and all on OF, and that's ok if that's what you want and are comfortable with but I'm not so I don't show face and I am quite tame. Maybe I don't make as much as those other girls but IDC. I am happy I am learning a new way to make money though.
I also think the clubs will be packed with girls, especially the local girls paying the high rent prices here. Maybe the outta town girls will stay out of dodge but the local girls will be there DAY ONE. It will be cutthroat as hell.

Adelina
05-19-2020, 01:59 PM
I can't even imagine how cutthroat NYC clubs will be when they first open. I was walking out in negative so many times during the "normal" times.

IvoryDoll
05-19-2020, 05:45 PM
One of the clubs in my city just opened last night and all the Karen’s called the news, the health department, the police, etc and they had to close again today lmao they were mad AFFFFFF. They were freaking out on the Facebook posts comments “omg how can you open this filthy place but not our churches?!?!?!” It was the best hour of my life reading them lose their shit. Well we just entered phase 2 and phase 3 all the clubs can finally open. So close!!!

Seatortuga
05-19-2020, 08:57 PM
One of the clubs in my city just opened last night and all the Karen’s called the news, the health department, the police, etc and they had to close again today lmao they were mad AFFFFFF. They were freaking out on the Facebook posts comments “omg how can you open this filthy place but not our churches?!?!?!” It was the best hour of my life reading them lose their shit. Well we just entered phase 2 and phase 3 all the clubs can finally open. So close!!!

This makes me so mad!

Selina M
05-19-2020, 09:28 PM
One of the clubs in my city just opened last night and all the Karen’s called the news, the health department, the police, etc and they had to close again today lmao they were mad AFFFFFF. They were freaking out on the Facebook posts comments “omg how can you open this filthy place but not our churches?!?!?!” It was the best hour of my life reading them lose their shit. Well we just entered phase 2 and phase 3 all the clubs can finally open. So close!!!

Ok I personally am not happy that clubs are opening here, our deaths & cases are still on the uptick... But I don't think ANYTHING with that much close contact needs to open yet.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with strangers and letting another stranger place wafers directly in your mouth is not exactly sanitary either, geniuses. The strip club does not magically have more germs just because it's against your moral code.

IvoryDoll
05-19-2020, 09:34 PM
This makes me so mad!

I was mad too but then I clicked their profile pics and said ah ha!

IvoryDoll
05-19-2020, 09:36 PM
Ok I personally am not happy that clubs are opening here, our deaths & cases are still on the uptick... But I don't think ANYTHING with that much close contact needs to open yet.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with strangers and letting another stranger place wafers directly in your mouth is not exactly sanitary either, geniuses. The strip club does not magically have more germs just because it's against your moral code.

I just don’t understand why people are so up and arms with church of all places. Churches are leaches that don’t even pay taxes but they think that church should open before taxable businesses lol.

Normani
05-20-2020, 09:24 AM
what are you doing online i want to do it to

Yayayasmine
05-20-2020, 09:34 AM
I wonder if it might actually be easier to work for a couple of weeks. Because most of the clubs that are open now aren’t doing VIP rooms and the clubs that are still doing dances are doing air dances at 6 feet away that are extremely monitored. Most clubs won’t even have extras being done at least at the beginning because we might not even be able to sell dances or go into a private area with the customer alone. Its going to be real easy to work if all you have to do is pay house fees and you make a couple hundred dollars on the stage instead of worrying about up selling and talking to customers.

Vyanka
05-20-2020, 11:01 AM
I wonder if it might actually be easier to work for a couple of weeks. Because most of the clubs that are open now aren’t doing VIP rooms and the clubs that are still doing dances are doing air dances at 6 feet away that are extremely monitored. Most clubs won’t even have extras being done at least at the beginning because we might not even be able to sell dances or go into a private area with the customer alone. Its going to be real easy to work if all you have to do is pay house fees and you make a couple hundred dollars on the stage instead of worrying about up selling and talking to customers.

Some clubs won't be worth paying the house fee if you can't do vip rooms, if the main money maker is the room. And rooms don't automatically mean extras. Not everybody who does them nightly does extras. Even before covid19... floor money, idkw these chics let these cheaps grope them for a measly 20 dollars. Christ. We have this website here with FREE advice on how to hustle, yet idkw ppl still feel the need to fuck shit up then cry this business is not the same anymore.

From what I gathered from someone, I don't think the clubs are going to hire a shit ton of new girls at first opening either. At least in the town I work at. Priority is gonna go to the ones who have been working there a while, etc. Then later on, when they can hire little by little as time goes by. Everything is all played by ear.

StellaRose
05-20-2020, 11:28 AM
I wonder if it might actually be easier to work for a couple of weeks. Because most of the clubs that are open now aren’t doing VIP rooms and the clubs that are still doing dances are doing air dances at 6 feet away that are extremely monitored. Most clubs won’t even have extras being done at least at the beginning because we might not even be able to sell dances or go into a private area with the customer alone. Its going to be real easy to work if all you have to do is pay house fees and you make a couple hundred dollars on the stage instead of worrying about up selling and talking to customers.

If that’s the type of work style you prefer, then the entire Portland OR may not be a bad place to look into. There are so many neighborhood clubs, which means low house fees. Many customers are generous with stage money. Whether or not a bouncer is looking at you, many actually ask permission before touching. And they do it once the dance already started, so it’s not as if you don’t agree they won’t buy a dance.

Only downside is that the psychologically easier but lower money happens to be in a city with a higher COL. May be a good idea to be okay with roommates, minimalism, or work once or twice a week at the higher hustle but higher money potential clubs downtown. I did just fine when I travel danced, slept in a tent, and was okay with making $200-$400 (typical range, a couple times I went a little over and under) in a five hour shift at one particular neighborhood club. If I had stuck around and had a group of regulars to rely on, then my typical range probably would have been even better.

There’s a handful of clubs spread all over the nation that isn’t room oriented and doesn’t require as much hard selling or boundary defending, and I’d encourage you to do your research. There has been and for the foreseeable future will be, plenty of options, pandemic or not.

Selina M
05-20-2020, 02:29 PM
I did just fine when I travel danced, slept in a tent, and was okay with making $200-$400 (typical range, a couple times I went a little over and under) in a five hour shift at one particular neighborhood club. If I had stuck around and had a group of regulars to rely on, then my typical range probably would have been even better.


Yikes, how expensive is Portland that that range would be considered too low? Is it reaching San Fran levels?

StellaRose
05-20-2020, 03:14 PM
Yikes, how expensive is Portland that that range would be considered too low? Is it reaching San Fran levels?

Not San Fran bad thankfully. According to the Numbeo city comparison calculator: “You would need around 5,418.13$ in Portland, OR to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,700.00$ in Austin, TX (assuming you rent in both cities).” Me being a cheapskate Texan, I consider anything more expensive than Austin as super pricy. :p Now that I’m thinking about it harder, it’s probably doable to live comfortably.

jekka
05-20-2020, 05:14 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/masks-clothes-first-strip-club-america-reopens

This article about a club opened in Wyoming will give you a good idea of what to expect in the immediate future. I speculate this will be the norm through the rest of the year and into 2021.

Be advised to save and be financially prudent when returning to work. The plan is to have a resurgence of virus hysteria at the start of the 2020 cold and flu season (presidential and congressional election season) which may shut the clubs down yet again.

The upside is there will be a surge in customers in the first weeks. Downside is the business model is all %#$&*ed up.
If draconian distancing and masking rules remain the same beyond 2021, clubs will be either forced to lower tip out rates drastically or the worst case scenario will unfold. Worst case is clubs could become fronts for OTC services where girls will have no other way to make real money.

Private bachelor parties, with paid bouncers of course, would be something to look into for the future.

Adrienne7
05-20-2020, 06:30 PM
If that’s the type of work style you prefer, then the entire Portland OR may not be a bad place to look into. There are so many neighborhood clubs, which means low house fees. Many customers are generous with stage money.

Girl... so curious where and when you danced in Portland because I danced there recently the last 4 years and these customers have been the LEAST generous with stage tips. Daily entitled asses sitting at the bar for free, watching the show for hours without tipping a dollar. I tried several clubs and watched it happen everywhere to even the hottest hustlers. Maybe it depends on what someone considers generous but the lack of stage compensation is one reason I got so burned out. I strongly do NOT recommend Portland, for the record. Yeah house fees are lower in some places but there is also no cover charge so you can literally have homeless people wander in, buy a PBR and stare at the stage for hours without tipping you. It's bad.