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Raziel
09-11-2020, 09:25 AM
Trump IS Hitler. And the Protesters they arrested were mostly released without any bail.

They always said that when Fascism came to the united states, it would come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. They were right.

Raziel
09-11-2020, 09:31 AM
Look, Eric, i'm not tripping off you. We just have a disagreement. It isn't that big of a deal. So don't get mad at me. We can disagree. It's fine.

Just want to cool this down a little bit.

rickdugan
09-11-2020, 09:56 AM
That's shit the Nazi's did.

:rotfl:

Rather melodramatic, no? :)

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that maybe you just don't know your world history. Because if you did, you'd know that the Nazis didn't read people their rights or treat them to due process. They put people in concentration camps, killed them randomly on the spot, took their possessions with no recourse, arrested people in the dead of night and put them in secret prisons, etc., etc. Oh yeah, and they slaughtered 10 million or more people just because they believed something different.

Oh and as far as your later comment on fascism, would be dictators don't try to give people their guns, let them keep their economic power or otherwise try to foster independence from the government. They do the exact opposite, disarming the population and making them economically dependent on the government - every single time.

Google might be your friend here. ;) Here are two topics to start with "Nazi atrocities" and "How Castro took over Cuba" though there are numerous other examples in the latter category.

Eric Stoner
09-11-2020, 10:00 AM
Trump IS Hitler. And the Protesters they arrested were mostly released without any bail.

They always said that when Fascism came to the united states, it would come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. They were right.

Equating Trump with Hitler is absurdly hyperbolic. Leaving out his total lack of anti-semitism , Trump is not a fascist . A bit authoritarian perhaps but he is no fascist.

Raziel
09-11-2020, 10:06 AM
He seems like a fascist to me.

Djoser
09-11-2020, 10:22 AM
I'm sorry but what are you referring to ? Please , try to limit it to current events and recent unrest.

I'm not going to spend that much time trying to explain it. You can follow the linked posts to my original post.

As for current events involving people wanting to hunt each other, watch the news, or preferably read about it from unbiased sources. It's already started.

All these extremists marching around in military gear from both sides; they are not only banding together to do so, but trying to justify it with political rhetoric.

Eric Stoner
09-11-2020, 10:29 AM
I'm not going to spend that much time trying to explain it. You can follow the linked posts to my original post.

As for current events involving people wanting to hunt each other, watch the news, or preferably read about it from unbiased sources. It's already started.

All these extremists marching around in military gear from both sides; they are not only banding together to do so, but trying to justify it with political rhetoric.

What has already started ? Armed conflict ? There have been a few isolated cases of gun violence on BOTH sides ( as you pointed out ) but there haven't been large scale political brawls or shootouts. There has been some small scale paramilitary posturing if that is what you are referring to.

Raziel
09-11-2020, 10:40 AM
Dude, when do you think these people will start shooting? I think they will probably do it, as partisan as our nation has become. With everybody fucking hating each other. I hope i'm wrong.

Eric Stoner
09-11-2020, 11:15 AM
Dude, when do you think these people will start shooting? I think they will probably do it, as partisan as our nation has become. With everybody fucking hating each other. I hope i'm wrong.

So do I.

Djoser
09-11-2020, 11:53 AM
Dude, when do you think these people will start shooting? I think they will probably do it, as partisan as our nation has become. With everybody fucking hating each other. I hope i'm wrong.


So do I.

Holy shit! Agreement! ;D

I think it's already begun, counting Rittenhouse and whoever shot the Prayer Hat guy as 'hunters'.

Those two incidents alone would not be so alarming, if it weren't for the various incidences of groups of people in military gear trying to incite shit, and some of the more extreme speakers/protestors from both sides suggesting violence as an answer.

eagle2
09-11-2020, 12:36 PM
Facts are stubborn little things. Trump sent in Federal law enforcement agents to protect the Federal Courthouse and other Federal facilities as was both his right and his RESPONSIBILITY !
"Arrest everybody " ???? Are you serious ? Because they did no such thing. Peaceful protesters were left alone and SOME rioters were arrested and charged with Federal crimes. Trump acted because the Portland Police were unwilling and/or unable to keep order and protect Federal property.

Nobody got "disappeared" like in China or Venezuela . They were arrested and will get their day in court. What's wrong with that ?

What about all the protesters "fucking with " all the just plain folks who are trying to go to work and just live their lives ? Burning down their businesses ; destroying their jobs and livelihoods ? How does that help anybody ? How is it not incredibly counterproductive ? Do you support burning down the Federal Courthouse ? If not, how would YOU prevent it ?
Just ask the "protesters " nicely ? Or join in and burn down the place ?

The protests were dying down in Portland when Trump sent in federal agents. At the time there were only a few dozen people protesting. After Trump sent in federal agents, against the wishes of the mayor and governor, thousands of people starting coming out. Trump is trying to stir up violence and chaos because he thinks it will help him win in November. Trump does not care about the American people. He is only concerned about what's best for himself. Trump is willing to kill Americans, even his own supporters, if he thinks he will benefit from it. He's holding rallies with no social distancing or mask requirements in the middle of a deadly pandemic. Herman Cain died from attending one of Trump's rallies. There were probably others who died as well. Trump knows his hateful, racist rhetoric will result in violence and possibly murder, but he continues to do it. One of his supporters murdered dozens of Hispanics in a Walmart with an assault rifle. Another sent pipe bombs to multiple people who Trump has been demonizing on a regular basis. Mass murderers in Quebec and New Zealand expressed admiration for him. You and others who defend him do not seem to understand, Trump is a very sick man. He is a narcissistic sociopath. He does not care if people are harmed or killed by his actions. He's only concerned about himself.

Peaceful protesters were not left alone. Some were violently attacked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAbSuYI5Is

Raziel
09-11-2020, 12:45 PM
How do you even know they are federal agents, they have no markers stating that whatsoever and they come out of an unmarked Buick?

Who the fuck were these guys?

rickdugan
09-11-2020, 01:17 PM
The protests were dying down in Portland when Trump sent in federal agents. At the time there were only a few dozen people protesting. After Trump sent in federal agents, against the wishes of the mayor and governor, thousands of people starting coming out. Trump is trying to stir up violence and chaos because he thinks it will help him win in November. Trump does not care about the American people. He is only concerned about what's best for himself. Trump is willing to kill Americans, even his own supporters, if he thinks he will benefit from it. He's holding rallies with no social distancing or mask requirements in the middle of a deadly pandemic. Herman Cain died from attending one of Trump's rallies. There were probably others who died as well. Trump knows his hateful, racist rhetoric will result in violence and possibly murder, but he continues to do it. One of his supporters murdered dozens of Hispanics in a Walmart with an assault rifle. Another sent pipe bombs to multiple people who Trump has been demonizing on a regular basis. Mass murderers in Quebec and New Zealand expressed admiration for him. You and others who defend him do not seem to understand, Trump is a very sick man. He is a narcissistic sociopath. He does not care if people are harmed or killed by his actions. He's only concerned about himself.

Peaceful protesters were not left alone. Some were violently attacked.

Baloney eagle. Those peaceful protesters in Portland were trying to trash the federal courthouse and even assaulted federal civilian employees, which is why the agents were sent in the first place. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, period. And the agents were pulled once the gutless local leaders in Portland finally agreed to make sure it didn't happen again.

As far as killing people with rallies, are you the kind of man who blames others for his own choices? Each one of those people had the choice to wear a mask or not. Do you need a parental figure to tell you what to do? Anyone who was at those rallies made an adult choice and if they got COVID then it is on them.

eagle2
09-11-2020, 02:17 PM
:rotfl:

Rather melodramatic, no? :)

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that maybe you just don't know your world history. Because if you did, you'd know that the Nazis didn't read people their rights or treat them to due process. They put people in concentration camps, killed them randomly on the spot, took their possessions with no recourse, arrested people in the dead of night and put them in secret prisons, etc., etc. Oh yeah, and they slaughtered 10 million or more people just because they believed something different.


Trump has not murdered millions of people like hitler did, but he does use many of the tactics that hitler and other brutal dictators have used.

Trump incites hate towards certain groups, mostly Hispanic immigrants, who are unpopular with his base, the same way hitler did with Jews. hitler equated Jews with vermin. Trump talks about illegal immigrants "infesting" our country. hitler singled out individual Jews who were violent criminals to demonize all Jews. Trump singles out individual Hispanic illegal immigrants who are violent criminals to demonize all Hispanic illegal immigrants.

Hitler was cruel and incapable of showing empathy, even to children. Trump has ordered children to be forcibly removed from their parents and placed in cold, overcrowded detention centers.

Hitler placed himself and his cronies above the law. Trump, and his Republican stooges in Congress, have placed Trump and his cronies above the law. Republicans block any and every effort to investigate Trump or hold him accountable for breaking any laws, and Trump has pardoned cronies when they broke the law.

Hitler threw his opponents in prison. Trump asked the DOJ to prosecute Hillary Clinton and James Comey and has falsely accused Obama of treason.

Hitler silenced his critics. Trump has tried to silence his. He had Michael Cohen thrown in jail to try and prevent him from publishing a book that is critical of him. He went to court to try and block his niece from publishing a book about him. He's threatened to take away the licenses of TV stations that aired negative ads about him.

Hitler used brutal force to put down opposition. Trump wanted to use active military personnel and even tanks, against American civilians protesting. https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-didnt-expect-trump-deploy-more-troops-after-esper-call-2020-6

Hitler cancelled elections in Germany. Trump wanted to push back the date of our election, something that has never been done in our history.



Oh and as far as your later comment on fascism, would be dictators don't try to give people their guns, let them keep their economic power or otherwise try to foster independence from the government. They do the exact opposite, disarming the population and making them economically dependent on the government - every single time.


Fascists do let people keep their economic power. Many private businesses did very well in nazi Germany. The same was true in Chile, under Pinochet.

Gun ownership rates have nothing to do with how free and democratic a country is. Iraq had a very high rate of gun ownership under the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. Guns are practically impossible for the average person to obtain in free and democratic Japan.

The following page has the 14 characteristics of fascism. Everyone of them fits what Trump is doing or wants to do.

https://voxpopulisphere.com/2017/08/23/lawrence-britt-14-characteristics-of-fascism/

Djoser
09-12-2020, 12:28 AM
Hey some lucky citizen can own this fine piece of art, only 7,500$!* ;D


53436


*(This is really for sale, now I wish I'd copied the link haha)

miss.a.p1600
09-12-2020, 05:54 AM
^they forgot to add his hips thighs n belly. Trump ain’t cut like that lol

Raziel
09-12-2020, 06:25 AM
Trump is a fatass! Have you ever really looked at him? The guy is OBESE. They should have given him this huge belly. I mean, take a look at this guy, he's obviously had way too many Doritos.

R-209
09-12-2020, 12:50 PM
^^ That has to be a massive violation of the Flag Code.

It's not a legally binding code, but still...

Djoser
09-12-2020, 02:34 PM
^^ That has to be a massive violation of the Flag Code.

It's not a legally binding code, but still...

More like a little bitty teeny violation. :rotfl:

miss.a.p1600
09-12-2020, 03:42 PM
^^^i can’t right now .... LOL!!!

Raziel
09-12-2020, 04:39 PM
The guy probably wears a Girdle sometimes. Sometimes he's fat, sometimes he's thin. That doesn't happen with normal people.

Imagine being Melania, having to fuck that cheating fatass Troll.

eagle2
09-12-2020, 05:52 PM
^^ That has to be a massive violation of the Flag Code.

It's not a legally binding code, but still...

It's also probably a violation of the flag code to grope an American Flag, or maybe it isn't, because whomever wrote the flag code probably never imagined someone would do this with an American Flag.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PW3fuQl1C0

miss.a.p1600
09-12-2020, 11:35 PM
^got me wondering what his mouth do.....


....Actually, on second thought, I’d rather not go there.

I should protest against such vulgarity towards American flag

I hope he at least washed his mouth with some Listerine, moisturized those crusty lips n washed his filthy hands.

Raziel
09-13-2020, 12:40 PM
I hope he at least washed his mouth with some Listerine, moisturized those crusty lips n washed his filthy hands.

Probably not. I doubt Trump gives a shit about stuff like that. He doesn't give a shit about anything else but his goddamned reelection... so...

BTW Djoser, that's got to be the dumbest piece of art i have ever seen. Trump as Jesus? He's as far from Jesus as anyone can get.

rickdugan
09-13-2020, 06:38 PM
Trump has not murdered millions of people like hitler did, but he does use many of the tactics that hitler and other brutal dictators have used.

Trump incites hate towards certain groups, mostly Hispanic immigrants, who are unpopular with his base, the same way hitler did with Jews. hitler equated Jews with vermin. Trump talks about illegal immigrants "infesting" our country. hitler singled out individual Jews who were violent criminals to demonize all Jews. Trump singles out individual Hispanic illegal immigrants who are violent criminals to demonize all Hispanic illegal immigrants.

Hitler was cruel and incapable of showing empathy, even to children. Trump has ordered children to be forcibly removed from their parents and placed in cold, overcrowded detention centers.

Hitler placed himself and his cronies above the law. Trump, and his Republican stooges in Congress, have placed Trump and his cronies above the law. Republicans block any and every effort to investigate Trump or hold him accountable for breaking any laws, and Trump has pardoned cronies when they broke the law.

Hitler threw his opponents in prison. Trump asked the DOJ to prosecute Hillary Clinton and James Comey and has falsely accused Obama of treason.

Hitler silenced his critics. Trump has tried to silence his. He had Michael Cohen thrown in jail to try and prevent him from publishing a book that is critical of him. He went to court to try and block his niece from publishing a book about him. He's threatened to take away the licenses of TV stations that aired negative ads about him.

Hitler used brutal force to put down opposition. Trump wanted to use active military personnel and even tanks, against American civilians protesting. https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-didnt-expect-trump-deploy-more-troops-after-esper-call-2020-6

Hitler cancelled elections in Germany. Trump wanted to push back the date of our election, something that has never been done in our history.



Fascists do let people keep their economic power. Many private businesses did very well in nazi Germany. The same was true in Chile, under Pinochet.

Gun ownership rates have nothing to do with how free and democratic a country is. Iraq had a very high rate of gun ownership under the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. Guns are practically impossible for the average person to obtain in free and democratic Japan.

The following page has the 14 characteristics of fascism. Everyone of them fits what Trump is doing or wants to do.

https://voxpopulisphere.com/2017/08/23/lawrence-britt-14-characteristics-of-fascism/

I don't think I've read such a long list of nonsensical melodramatic squeals of purported outrage in a long time and that's saying something. ;)

Eagle, real dictators don't make noise over Twitter, they give directives that are followed or else. They don't spout off in press conferences, they quietly have people killed or taken away forever.

Your ridiculous comparisons to Hitler show how little you really know of what happened in that era. Hitler had his critics killed or taken away never to be seen again. He disarmed the populace, which btw is precisely what almost every dictator has done in the modern era. He took over large chunks of the private economy, also a hallmark of dictators. He took over the media in every real sense. He turned children against their own parents and made them informants by taking over their schools. Sound familiar? :)

Google a history lesson re: Nazi Germany. The difference between a simple blowhard and a true dictator is a vast gulf, especially when that blowhard is not actually doing anything to take control of the weapons, economy or information outlets.

As far as the pardons and that Comey character, I'm guessing you are also not up to speed on the ridiculous politicized behavior of the FBI during that timeframe. I would strongly recommend the IG's report on the matter as good reading. Our law enforcement is not supposed to be an arm of one political party, it is supposed to be above politics. But this might as well have been Cuba or some other banana republic for all the independence that agency showed at that time.

Raziel
09-14-2020, 02:40 AM
Not to mention, he's killing all HIS OWN voters with these dipshit Indoor rallies. No masks, no social distancing. What the fuck does this guy think is gonna happen? Well, that's one less dude that's gonna vote for you.

Djoser
09-14-2020, 02:54 AM
Don't make me come down there and close this thread

:rotfl:

Sorry couldn't resist. And I just posted the painting for sale thing so I'm right in there with all of you ( and ETA not directed at any one member)

Anyway as long as everyone is cool we can keep the thread open

Eric Stoner
09-14-2020, 06:59 AM
The protests were dying down in Portland when Trump sent in federal agents. At the time there were only a few dozen people protesting. After Trump sent in federal agents, against the wishes of the mayor and governor, thousands of people starting coming out. Trump is trying to stir up violence and chaos because he thinks it will help him win in November. Trump does not care about the American people. He is only concerned about what's best for himself. Trump is willing to kill Americans, even his own supporters, if he thinks he will benefit from it. He's holding rallies with no social distancing or mask requirements in the middle of a deadly pandemic. Herman Cain died from attending one of Trump's rallies. There were probably others who died as well. Trump knows his hateful, racist rhetoric will result in violence and possibly murder, but he continues to do it. One of his supporters murdered dozens of Hispanics in a Walmart with an assault rifle. Another sent pipe bombs to multiple people who Trump has been demonizing on a regular basis. Mass murderers in Quebec and New Zealand expressed admiration for him. You and others who defend him do not seem to understand, Trump is a very sick man. He is a narcissistic sociopath. He does not care if people are harmed or killed by his actions. He's only concerned about himself.

Peaceful protesters were not left alone. Some were violently attacked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAbSuYI5Is

Would you like some Doritos with your Kool-Aid ? lol. Just kidding.

Eric Stoner
09-14-2020, 07:03 AM
Don't make me come down there and close this thread

:rotfl:

Sorry couldn't resist. And I just posted the painting for sale thing so I'm right in there with all of you ( and ETA not directed at any one member)

Anyway as long as everyone is cool we can keep the thread open

I thought you were going to pull over and not move until we promised to behave lol.

eagle2
09-14-2020, 07:17 PM
Eagle, real dictators don't make noise over Twitter, they give directives that are followed or else. They don't spout off in press conferences, they quietly have people killed or taken away forever.

Trump is not a dictator. Trump wants to be a dictator. He doesn't have the power to have people killed or taken away forever, but he probably would if he could. He's already had Michael Cohen thrown in jail to try to prevent him from writing a book about him, which could have been a death sentence with the coronavirus oubreak in jails and prisons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/nyregion/michael-cohen-trump-book.html

Trump's done everything within his power to prevent the press or anyone else from writing anything negative about him. He calls the press, "enemy of the people", knowing this will result in reporters being inundated with death threats, as well as acts of violence against the press by his supporters. He tries to discredit anything negative reported about him as "fake news" or a "hoax". He refused to condemn Saudi Arabia for brutally murdering a journalist, and blocked sanctions. He refuses to condemn Putin for poisoning his opponents.



Your ridiculous comparisons to Hitler show how little you really know of what happened in that era. Hitler had his critics killed or taken away never to be seen again. He disarmed the populace, which btw is precisely what almost every dictator has done in the modern era. He took over large chunks of the private economy, also a hallmark of dictators. He took over the media in every real sense. He turned children against their own parents and made them informants by taking over their schools. Sound familiar? :)

Again, Trump isn't a dictator. He wants to be one. He doesn't have the power to have his critics killed or thrown in jail, but he probably would if he could. He's called for 10 year prison sentences for toppling statues, which is a form of protest. Again, he wanted to use active duty military, including tanks, against peaceful protesters.

You're the one who doesn't know what happened in that era. Hitler did not take over large chunks of the private economy. He privatized state owned businesses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business _ties

Hitler did not disarm the population. He liberalized gun laws. The previous government banned gun ownership. Hitler changed the law to allow nazis to own guns. If Trump were to become dictator, he most likely would not disarm the population, since many of his supporters own guns.



Google a history lesson re: Nazi Germany. The difference between a simple blowhard and a true dictator is a vast gulf, especially when that blowhard is not actually doing anything to take control of the weapons, economy or information outlets.

Google a history lesson re: President of the United States, separation of powers, and limits of power of POTUS. Trump wants to take control of the military, the economy and information. He doesn't have the power or the support to do it as of now, and he is also stupid and incompetent, which has hurt his efforts. It doesn't mean he wouldn't do it if he could, and there's no telling how far he will get if he's given another 4 years. He's already tried to get opponents and critics put in jail, use the military against American civilians, have a foreign power launch a criminal investigation against his opponent. He's publicly and privately tried to get reporters fired or taken off the air on Fox News, and in some cases was successful. He's tried to cancel the election in November, and he's told his supporters that he deserves three terms because of the way he's been treated.



As far as the pardons and that Comey character, I'm guessing you are also not up to speed on the ridiculous politicized behavior of the FBI during that timeframe. I would strongly recommend the IG's report on the matter as good reading. Our law enforcement is not supposed to be an arm of one political party, it is supposed to be above politics. But this might as well have been Cuba or some other banana republic for all the independence that agency showed at that time.

It's an indisputable fact that Russia and Wikileaks were illegally interfering in our election, including illegally hacking email accounts of Clinton and the DNC, and the Trump campaign was collaborating with them. Paul Manaforte was sharing data with Russians. Roger Stone was in contact with Wikileaks and discussed the leaking of emails. Trump publicly called for Russia to hack Clinton's emails. It's also an indisputable fact that Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about conversations he had with the Russian Ambassador. It is the responsibility of the FBI to investigate these crimes, and the responsibility of the DOJ to prosecute them.

Raziel
09-14-2020, 08:36 PM
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Raziel
09-14-2020, 11:46 PM
Never-mind. Don't want to start a fuss.

Raziel
09-15-2020, 01:11 AM
Equating Trump with Hitler is absurdly hyperbolic. Leaving out his total lack of anti-semitism , Trump is not a fascist . A bit authoritarian perhaps but he is no fascist.

Um, this doesn't have anything to do with Jews. How about him separating Hispanic kids from their parents and stocking them in a freezing cold internment camp (Does that sound familiar to anybody? Ringing any bells?)! His constant rhetoric against Hispanics (Hitler did that too)? You know we have a few of those HERE ON THIS SITE right? They are good and pure. Sure there are some Hispanic criminals, but we have white criminals, too. Some people are just criminals, it doesn't matter what race they are. This dude selects out Hispanics to demonize.

No offense, but don't tell me he's not like Hitler. He's exactly like Hitler, just stupider (and Hitler wasn't very smart), and with a different target.

Jews *Pfft.* There's more people on the Planet than just Jews. This piece of shit probably DOES hate Jews, he just wants them counting his money for him.

Ridiculous!

Raziel
09-15-2020, 03:30 AM
BTW, if anyone wants to question me on Hitler being a stupdass, consider this: He was the leader of a nation that was number one in practically every field on the planet, including MURDER. And yet he still LOST THE WAR.

So go ahead and worship him, if that's your thing. It just means we'll win again.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 07:04 AM
Um, this doesn't have anything to do with Jews. How about him separating Hispanic kids from their parents and stocking them in a freezing cold internment camp (Does that sound familiar to anybody? Ringing any bells?)! His constant rhetoric against Hispanics (Hitler did that too)? You know we have a few of those HERE ON THIS SITE right? They are good and pure. Sure there are some Hispanic criminals, but we have white criminals, too. Some people are just criminals, it doesn't matter what race they are. This dude selects out Hispanics to demonize.

No offense, but don't tell me he's not like Hitler. He's exactly like Hitler, just stupider (and Hitler wasn't very smart), and with a different target.

Jews *Pfft.* There's more people on the Planet than just Jews. This piece of shit probably DOES hate Jews, he just wants them counting his money for him.

Ridiculous!

Were you as outraged when Obama did the same thing ? He actually set records for deportations.

Hitler was not stupid. Foolish and unwise yes. Thank God because they led to his destruction and defeat. His glaring errors and crimes were driven by his Nazi ideology, ignorance and megalomania.
Germany lost the war because they couldn't match Soviet manpower or industrial capacity. The Soviets produced something like 5 times as many tanks and planes as the Germans. Add in American industrial power and German defeat was inevitable. Half of all German transport was horse powered.
Trump joins a lot of Americans in being outraged at serious crimes being committed by criminals who are here illegally. More than a few were deported numerous times . A lot of them are Hispanic. How would YOU keep them out of the country ? Or do you think we should welcome foreign criminals with open arms a la Carter in 1980 with the Cuban Boatlift ?

Your evidence for Trump's allege Jew hatred is what ? His daughter converted and married an Orthodox Jew. Trump's best friend was Jewish. He has been the best friend Israel has had since Nixon and Reagan. He moved our embassy to Jerusalem and he has sponsored numerous peace treaties between Israel and the UAE and Bahrain. Morocco is now normalizing relations with Israel thanks to Trump's policies. All totally under-reported by the media. Trump has fostered an alliance between Sunni Arabs and Israel based on mutual interest ; primarily fear of and opposition to Iran.

You are free to hate Trump as much as you want to although I am compelled to ask what he ever did to you ? Prior to Covid we had a booming economy which resulted in lots of dollars being placed between garter and thigh in a LOT of clubs. No thanks to Obama. That was Trump. You want to drink the Kool Aid and blame him for Covid and forest fires, go ahead. It won't change any facts but if it makes you fell better , go ahead.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 07:10 AM
BTW, if anyone wants to question me on Hitler being a stupdass, consider this: He was the leader of a nation that was number one in practically every field on the planet, including MURDER. And yet he still LOST THE WAR.

So go ahead and worship him, if that's your thing. It just means we'll win again.

I've laid out enough historical facts to toss your erroneous view of Germany and Hitler into a cocked hat. Even the British produced more airplanes than Germany. By the end of the war Germany was primarily reliant on slave labor. Many of whom sabotaged the weapons they produced. For instance , Mauser rifles produced by Czech workers at the mammoth Skoda arms works all had gunsights that were completely off. Many ended up arming the Israeli Army in 1948 and they had to rework the sights so that they would shoot accurately. Add in hundreds of engines that didn't work, winter uniforms that fell apart and dozens of other examples and Germany was far from Number 1 in anything. Even their battlefield medicine lagged behind everyone except the Soviets.

I strongly recommend you read Victor Davis Hanson's latest book: " The Second World Wars". Inter alia, he destroys the myth of German industrial might with the actual facts and figures. A prime reason Germany lost the war is that the the Allies outproduced them in overwhelming numbers.

Raziel
09-15-2020, 08:53 AM
Only because Hitler ran it into the ground. Before that they were #1 in almost every field.

Some genius.

eagle2
09-15-2020, 08:58 AM
You are free to hate Trump as much as you want to although I am compelled to ask what he ever did to you ? Prior to Covid we had a booming economy which resulted in lots of dollars being placed between garter and thigh in a LOT of clubs. No thanks to Obama. That was Trump. You want to drink the Kool Aid and blame him for Covid and forest fires, go ahead. It won't change any facts but if it makes you fell better , go ahead.

Sorry Eric, but you're the one drinking the Kool Aid. The economy was already booming when Trump took office. There was little difference in economic performance between Obama's 2nd term and Trump's first 3 years. Job growth was actually stronger during Obama's second term. About the only thing Trump accomplished economically, was add over $1 trillion to our natl debt with his tax cuts. Don't believe me? Look at the charts:

GDP growth over the past 10 years:

https://i.imgur.com/fQBCAjz.png

Job creation over the past 10 years:

https://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/embedded_image/public/5.3.19.png

What did Trump do to us? He's endangered the lives of everyone with his disastrous response to coronavirus, as well as killed 200,000 Americans with his stupidity, incompetence, and negligence. Trump is destroying our democracy. He's already trying to delegitimize our election. He's already calling it "rigged". He's trying to dismantle our postal system to prevent people from voting by mail. He's asking foreign governments to illegally interfere in our elections. He's trying to take away healthcare from millions of Americans by going to court to get ACA repealed, after failing to get it done through Congress. He's inciting hate and violence to the point where his followers are sending bombs to Trump's "enemies" and murdering dozens of people with assault rifles because of their religious beliefs or skin color.

I don't know about you, but I care about others besides myself. I care about thousands of children being forcibly removed from their parents and thrown in cold, overcrowded, lice-infested detention centers for weeks or months at a time, where conditions are so bad, that some of these children have died. Any decent person would find this heartbreaking. There are no limits to this man's cruelty.

This isn't a matter of politics and "right" and "left". It's a matter of right and wrong. Some things are just wrong, like everything I've mentioned above. I don't understand how you and Rick fail to see this. It's like 40% of Americans are in one giant cult that is oblivious to all of the awful things Trump does. It's not like he's doing this covertly. He does it right in the open for everyone to see, yet 40 - 45 percent of Americans are okay with it.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 09:13 AM
Obama had the weakest ever recovery from a recession. He did not have a single year , not one , with more than 2 % economic growth. Trump had record employment among Blacks and Hispanics along with substantial increases in real wages. Sorry Eagle. It won't float.

As far as those immigrant children , who bought them here ? The facilities where they kept are the same ones used under Obama. What was he supposed to do with them ? The kids that died came here sick. Their parents brought them here. There were some cases where their parents were nowhere to be found; where immigrants borrowed or rented them to try and get in. I'm sorry but I reserve my sympathy for the native born members of the working class who lose their jobs and /or have theior wages suppressed thanks to illegal immigrants.

I see you insist on repeating the canard that Trump has invited foreign interference in our elections. From whom ? How ?
By saying that if a foreign power gave him dirt on his opponent that he'd look at it ? So what ? Who wouldn't ? As long as he didn't pay for it there is NO CRIME !

Inciting violence ? Another canard. Trump is for law and order. Name one time he ever told people to attack others ?
Have you been listening to the rhetoric from BLM and Anti-Fa ? If you want to condemn GENUINE incitements to violence , why don't you start with them ?

Raziel
09-15-2020, 09:16 AM
No one gives a shit about Obama. He's not the President.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 09:28 AM
Only because Hitler ran it into the ground. Before that they were #1 in almost every field.

Some genius.

Who said Hitler was a genius ? I never did.

I strongly urge you to READ some history . Particularly the aforementioned work by Professor Hanson. Also the Rick Atkinson Trilogy. Alex Kershaw and several others. Germany was NOT Number 1 EXCEPT in rocket and jet technology. Even there , the weakness of their economy thanks to bombing and material shortages prevented them from exploiting their few technological advantages to the full. Thank God. For instance, they were years behind us in developing an atomic bomb.

Raziel
09-15-2020, 09:30 AM
Trump is up there talking about a THIRD TERM. Never gonna happen. First off, the House would never allow it. This Monster can't just bang his gavel and make that happen. Reagan wanted a third term, too, so did Clinton.

Text of the 22nd Amendment
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.

This is why we didn't have Gerald Ford for all that long.

Do you know how long it takes to create a new Amendment repealing that? Even if he wins, it'd still be in the works when this fucker's out of office!

God, what a moron that prick is.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 09:30 AM
No one gives a shit about Obama. He's not the President.

Well that puts you in the minority. Because among Dems and the media , the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything was one of our all time great Presidents. I mention him as a point of reference and as a contrast to genuine accomplishment by Trump, despite all his faults and flaws.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 09:32 AM
Trump is up there talking about a THIRD TERM. Never gonna happen. First off, the House would never allow it. This Monster can't just bang his gavel and make that happen. Reagan wanted a third term, too, so did Clinton.

Text of the 22nd Amendment
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.

Do you know how long it takes to create a new Amendment repealing that? Even if he wins, it'd still be in the works when this fucker's out of office!

God, what a moron that prick is.

What are you babbling about ? Reagan was happy to retire. By 2000 Clinton couldn't get elected dog catcher.

Trump is well aware that he is limited to two terms.

eagle2
09-15-2020, 09:32 AM
Obama had the weakest ever recovery from a recession. He did not have a single year , not one , with more than 2 % economic growth. Trump had record employment among Blacks and Hispanics along with substantial increases in real wages. Sorry Eagle. It won't float.

Practically every year GDP growth was over 2% when Obama was in office. Can you read a simple chart? There was no difference in GDP growth between Obama's last 6 years and Trump's 3 years. The only reason why unemployment was lower under Trump before 2020, is because Trump started out with 4.5% unemployment and Obama started out with 9%. 2014 - 2015 saw the largest increase in household income in more than 15 years.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2016/09/2014-to-2015-median-household-income-is-largest-percentage-increase-since-1998.html

I just don't know what it is with you, that you deny facts even when they're presented clearly right in front of you. I just posted a chart showing there was no difference in gdp growth between Obama's last 6 years and Trump's first 3, yet you deny it. In a previous discussion, you denied that Trump seriously asked about injecting disinfectant to cure coronavirus, even after being shown a video of him specifically saying it.

Before we go any further, please answer this. Are you going to accept all facts presented to you, or are you just going to deny facts you don't like? If you're not going to accept facts, there is no point in discussing this further.

Raziel
09-15-2020, 09:36 AM
Who said Hitler was a genius ? I never did.

I strongly urge you to READ some history . Particularly the aforementioned work by Professor Hanson. Also the Rick Atkinson Trilogy. Alex Kershaw and several others. Germany was NOT Number 1 EXCEPT in rocket and jet technology. Even there , the weakness of their economy thanks to bombing and material shortages prevented them from exploiting their few technological advantages to the full. Thank God. For instance, they were years behind us in developing an atomic bomb.

Yeah, because we BOMBED THEM INTO THE STONE AGE.

Well, not WE, but the Allies, anyway. You ever see pics of postwar Berlin? It's absolute devastation. I'm surprised that city even still exists.

eagle2
09-15-2020, 09:38 AM
What are you babbling about ? Reagan was happy to retire. By 2000 Clinton couldn't get elected dog catcher.

Trump is well aware that he is limited to two terms.

All you do is make up your own "facts".

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Bill_Clinton#:~:text=Public%20appr oval,-Clinton's

Clinton's job approval rating ranged from 36% in mid-1993 to 64% in late 1993 and early 1994.[1] In his second term, his rating consistently ranged from the high-50s to the high-60s.[1][2] After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval.[3] He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65%,[4] higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman.[5]

Raziel
09-15-2020, 09:39 AM
What are you babbling about ? Reagan was happy to retire. By 2000 Clinton couldn't get elected dog catcher.

Trump is well aware that he is limited to two terms.

Reagan had ALZHEIMER'S when he left office, what the fuck is he gonna do he's got Alzheimer's disease! He can't stay President if he can't remember anything! but he looked into getting to 22 overturned while he was in office. He just gave up. Clinton wanted it, too.

That's what i'm "Babbling" about.

Raziel
09-15-2020, 09:53 AM
Lets dial this down a bit, we're getting a little too uppity, and Djoser's not gonna be happy.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2020, 10:12 AM
Reagan had ALZHEIMERS when he left office, but he looked into getting to 22 overturned. He just gave up. Clinton wanted it, too.

That's what i'm "Babbling" about.

Says who ? I am not familiar with either scenario ever being presented.