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eagle2
10-28-2020, 11:25 AM
The death rate for Covid positive people UNDER 50 is less than one half of one percent i.e. the recovery rate is 99.75 %. Look at the numbers yourself. Argue with the CDC and Johns Hopkins.


No it isn't. You're only looking at deaths. There are many people who catch the virus and don't die, but end up with serious health problems.

Eric Stoner
10-28-2020, 12:02 PM
Sweden's economy is doing worse than Finland's and Norway's.

https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/gdp-growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/gdp-growth

So what ? No place is perfect. It is on a par with Denmark's and better than a lot of other European countries. And their schools are open and people are able to lead a mostly normal life.

Eric Stoner
10-28-2020, 12:06 PM
Oh, so we can TREAT people until they die. Gotcha.

How about WEAR A FUCKING MASK AND SOCIALLY DISTANCE?

Then you don't have to roll the dice.

I try to avoid saying this because it can be insulting and I honestly try to avoid insulting my fellow S-Webbers BUT I am forced to question your reading comprehension. If you actually READ my posts then your response makes even less sense. Have a nice day.

Eric Stoner
10-28-2020, 12:10 PM
No it isn't. You're only looking at deaths. There are many people who catch the virus and don't die, but end up with serious health problems.

Yes, Covid can have lingering effects. It is not something anyone wants to have. Even if you are young and healthy. But the fact remains that the death rate from Covid keeps going DOWN !

You have been asked repeatedly how much economic and social pain you are willing to tolerate to get some ephemeral improvement in the Covid stats. A lot of people in Spain and Italy are asking the same damn thing.

eagle2
10-28-2020, 12:28 PM
You have been asked repeatedly how much economic and social pain you are willing to tolerate to get some ephemeral improvement in the Covid stats. A lot of people in Spain and Italy are asking the same damn thing.

I don't think you understand that not taking the necessary measures to prevent the virus from spreading, hurts the economy more than doing what is necessary. If people see that the virus is out of control, many people are going to avoid going out, regardless of what the government says. China's govt took very draconian measures to stop the virus from spreading. Now they're seeing strong economic growth.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/economy/china-global-economy-intl-hnk/index.html

At least you agree we should be wearing masks and avoiding large gatherings.

kamiliam
10-28-2020, 12:58 PM
Blue mods is there a way to start this topic on the blue side? This is nothing but bickering between your members while ignoring all female posts and when occasionally acknowledged is only done in a condescending and patriarchal manner. I seriously could talk politics all day but there is nothing but a dick contest going on. I’m fine with that, the female only section has their version of that too, but if there is no meaningful rapport it just makes me personally want to withdraw.

Topic, actual experts will compare different nation’s repose, there are lots of lessons to learn but you need to let professionals do it. If you have never actually learned and used stats you have a large chance of misinterpreting data.

eagle2
10-28-2020, 01:18 PM
Blue mods is there a way to start this topic on the blue side? This is nothing but bickering between your members while ignoring all female posts and when occasionally acknowledged is only done in a condescending and patriarchal manner.

I already agree with most of what you post, so there's not much for me to add.

eagle2
10-28-2020, 07:31 PM
Topic, actual experts will compare different nation’s repose, there are lots of lessons to learn but you need to let professionals do it. If you have never actually learned and used stats you have a large chance of misinterpreting data.

A lot of people try to get the stats to fit their views, rather than trying to figure out what the stats actually show.

Raziel
10-28-2020, 07:59 PM
Blue mods is there a way to start this topic on the blue side? This is nothing but bickering between your members while ignoring all female posts and when occasionally acknowledged is only done in a condescending and patriarchal manner. I seriously could talk politics all day but there is nothing but a dick contest going on. I’m fine with that, the female only section has their version of that too, but if there is no meaningful rapport it just makes me personally want to withdraw.

Topic, actual experts will compare different nation’s repose, there are lots of lessons to learn but you need to let professionals do it. If you have never actually learned and used stats you have a large chance of misinterpreting data.

When did i treat ANY Women in a condescending and Patriarchal manner? Other than Jasmine, no Women have even posted. It's mostly Eric and Eagle. Women are probably sick of the back and forth. I didn't respond to Jasmine because there's nothing I can add to her posts. All I know is that they were good posts.

I went to Applebees, other than that I've been Writing all day.

kamiliam
10-28-2020, 09:50 PM
When did i treat ANY Women in a condescending and Patriarchal manner? Other than Jasmine, no Women have even posted. It's mostly Eric and Eagle. Women are probably sick of the back and forth. I didn't respond to Jasmine because there's nothing I can add to her posts. All I know is that they were good posts.

I went to Applebees, other than that I've been Writing all day.

I didn't want to draw attention to any one member. I believe there are a variety of different intentions members had for their posts, some well meaning/helpful and others not. Often the patriarchy just needs to be reinforced by toxic masculinity. Insulting/demeaning/personalizing arguments and acting like there is a winner is an example of toxic masculinity. No one wins. I am sure more then a handful of people have opinions on these issues, I do not believe I am the only one who feels it is pointless to discuss anything beyond the 20x recycled talking point of the day. This article seemed timely.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/28/928336749/trump-has-weaponized-masculinity-as-president-heres-why-it-matters?fbclid=IwAR0XuclD0KCllheGLOjRut18d2VWRhtGw nOMU294IZFqSc7tIb0I0nkNRdU

BTW I am not suggesting banning, censorship or closing this thread. I actually enjoy hearing things outside of my bubble. I simply wanted to know if it was possible for an blue only outlet to exist so we can take this out of the shared area and perhaps have a more inclusive experience instead. Barring that I guess I just wanted to draw attention to this and hope we can move forward in that manner here.

Raziel
10-28-2020, 11:10 PM
Well, I can promise you I don't feel Toxic Masculinity. At least I don't think. Sometimes that shit can sneak in and you don't even know it.

You are very welcome to your opinion, however. I just post my thoughts in as clear and concise method (and short) as I can. Most of the time I don't get listened to. Whatever.

Keep in mind, I wasn't bitching at you. Just wanted to make it clear, I don't have anything to do with this. THAT I KNOW OF.

Raziel
10-28-2020, 11:24 PM
I try to avoid saying this because it can be insulting and I honestly try to avoid insulting my fellow S-Webbers BUT I am forced to question your reading comprehension. If you actually READ my posts then your response makes even less sense. Have a nice day.

Oh, you gotta be kidding me. I skimmed your little essay. We need both Treatment AND a Vaccine, eventually. Sorry, but such a stupid post.

I'm not reading a wall of text. I have better things to do than read some GUYS essay. I'll read a Woman's long post, but not a Guy's. I like you and all, but you're not that important to me.

Eric Stoner
10-29-2020, 07:13 AM
I don't think you understand that not taking the necessary measures to prevent the virus from spreading, hurts the economy more than doing what is necessary. If people see that the virus is out of control, many people are going to avoid going out, regardless of what the government says. China's govt took very draconian measures to stop the virus from spreading. Now they're seeing strong economic growth.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/economy/china-global-economy-intl-hnk/index.html

At least you agree we should be wearing masks and avoiding large gatherings.

So are we. GDP went up 33% in the last quarter. France and Germany just locked down for another month.

Eric Stoner
10-29-2020, 07:14 AM
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. I skimmed your little essay. We need both Treatment AND a Vaccine, eventually. Sorry, but such a stupid post.

I'm not reading a wall of text. I have better things to do than read some GUYS essay. I'll read a Woman's long post, but not a Guy's. I like you and all, but you're not that important to me.

Sorry I flunked the physical lol. And thank you for admitting that you just skimmed rather than read. Proving that a little learning is a dangerous thing.

Raziel
10-29-2020, 07:58 AM
Your welcome.

Right now, I'm busy with a Planet of Exiles. A Prison Planet. The story is called Melting Pot. Don't mind me. And, frankly, you're not teaching me anything I don't already know. Lets just agree to disagree.

BTW: If Melting Pot works, I may actually turn it into a Novel. So far it's going great!

kamiliam
10-29-2020, 09:23 AM
Ever since the beginning experts warned of a second wave. Europe’s new lockdowns were expected and shouldn’t destroy any economic growth in the long term. I was reading today that Germany is offering to give 75% of profits from previous fillings to companies employing over 50 people. If anything the United States awful performance encourages other countries lockdowns. We are the example of what not to do. Capitalism is stronger then this virus longterm, aid and rebuilding/reinforcing infrastructure in the short term would assure that. There are very fiscally conservative Europeans that are saying the same thing. The conditions are not correct for your economic theories to work.

Raziel
10-29-2020, 09:28 AM
This is the THIRD wave, Chéri. Second wave already passed. Unfortunately we have the Liar In Chief in the White House, and he's a totally incompetent Narcissist that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and seems to want to kill his own voters. It's SILLY that WE have to deal with this.

kamiliam
10-29-2020, 09:34 AM
Well here we are still in the first wave... I was referring to Europe.

Raziel
10-29-2020, 09:42 AM
Well here we are still in the first wave... I was referring to Europe.

My apologies, Chéri, but they're calling this the Third Wave. At least on the news. While I write, I often have MSNBC on as background noise. It's not me calling it the Third Wave, it's them. It might be different for Europe, but in the US we're on the THIRD one. It's ridiculous. I'm watching the news now, there's some evasive Trump guy on there that refuses to answer any questions and Andrea Mitchel is exasperated with him. Where do they find these guys?

Raziel
10-29-2020, 09:44 AM
kamiliam, where do you live? Just generally. I assumed you were an American, to my great shame.

jasmine22
10-30-2020, 10:22 AM
I think this pandemic has been positive too...it’s bringing out the true nature of people both good and bad . And I love to know who my real friends are.

You know, the rent has been overinflated in these cities and that’s why the businesses are closing. Just like how everyone lost their overpriced house they couldn’t afford in 2008.

So things will hopefully change for the better .
stripclubs were also getting way too greedy before this happened. I mean...I don’t feel sorry for them either. The girls that work in them, if you’re a hot chick who lost your strip club job, you’ve got options if you know how to be creative. It’s not 2008 anymore we have a lot more opportunities with the internet. What you’re seeing now consequences of our actions . The environment has gotten much better during this . We need to take better care of each other and our health. I really hope when things become normal again, people appreciate things more. And if you guys are still going to strip clubs right now...throw those brave girls some extra $$ because they sure as hell deserve it.

jasmine22
10-30-2020, 10:25 AM
Blue mods is there a way to start this topic on the blue side? This is nothing but bickering between your members while ignoring all female posts and when occasionally acknowledged is only done in a condescending and patriarchal manner. I seriously could talk politics all day but there is nothing but a dick contest going on.

meh...I say let them go on with it....we all need a good laugh every now and then!

kamiliam
10-30-2020, 11:49 AM
I am from the west coast, but raised by immigrants from the “socialist” part of Europe. I used quotes because these countries love money just like the USA. More free with less government manipulation then us. They are just more practical, therefore meeting basic needs of their people to keep them satisfied. Lots of successful rich Scandinavians.

I hope those who think masks are useless don’t point to Europe’s second wave as a means of distraction for our utter failure. I mean that would kinda like admitting that once people there got more lax with masks/staying at home cases went up. Weird it’s like it hasn’t gone away, been solved as the president would say.

Raziel
10-30-2020, 01:08 PM
Well, the current President is an idiot. Just wants to deny, deny, deny. SO STUPID.

Yeah, don't wear masks... at a 40,000 person rally. What do you think is gonna happen you dumb FUCK. Oh, and by the way, we're gonna just drive off and leave you all sitting here the the freezing cold with your cars miles away. What a fucking moron.

He wants to KILL his own voters. How much sense does that make?

I mean, is there anyone stupider than this guy?

Raziel
10-30-2020, 01:19 PM
kamiliam, thank you for your answer. I was thinking you lived in London or something. Just something about one of your posts gave me the idea that you lived in Europe. Thank you for clarifying.

eagle2
10-30-2020, 11:38 PM
I am from the west coast, but raised by immigrants from the “socialist” part of Europe. I used quotes because these countries love money just like the USA. More free with less government manipulation then us. They are just more practical, therefore meeting basic needs of their people to keep them satisfied. Lots of successful rich Scandinavians.

I hope those who think masks are useless don’t point to Europe’s second wave as a means of distraction for our utter failure. I mean that would kinda like admitting that once people there got more lax with masks/staying at home cases went up. Weird it’s like it hasn’t gone away, been solved as the president would say.

North Dakota is one of the few states with no mask mandates, never locked down or enacted any other restrictions. They now have the most cases per capita and the highest daily death rate. It's so frustrating that so many people are too ignorant and stubborn to do a simple thing like wear a mask to go to the grocery store. I wear a mask and a face shield whenever I go to a public place. It's not that big of an inconvenience, and it makes such a big difference if everyone does it.

Eric Stoner
11-09-2020, 10:16 AM
Pfizer announced a Covid vaccine that is more than 90% effective with little if any adverse reactions. The Stock Market is going wild ; Dow is up over 1000 points.

Raziel
11-09-2020, 10:24 AM
90%, aaaaaaaah, I don't know about 90%. Do you want to be in that last 10%?

Eric Stoner
11-09-2020, 11:23 AM
90%, aaaaaaaah, I don't know about 90%. Do you want to be in that last 10%?

It is MORE than 90% effective. Like most vaccines. None of which are 100% effective.

Raziel
11-09-2020, 11:31 AM
90% isn't good enough.

Eric Stoner
11-09-2020, 12:02 PM
90% isn't good enough.

Well then we are going to have to throw out a lot of currently used vaccines starting with the flu vaccines. None of which are are even 90 % effective and there are others like the Shingles vaccine.

lemiwinks31
11-09-2020, 01:54 PM
90%, aaaaaaaah, I don't know about 90%. Do you want to be in that last 10%?

ummmm......everyone in the world is currently in that 10%

jasmine22
11-10-2020, 09:33 AM
90% isn't good enough.

I’m so happy they finally have a vaccine. I mean we have to move on and get the economy back. No vaccine is 100 percent but that is promising I didn’t think we would have it this soon. I think more people will wear masks knowing that this will come to an end sooner because why get sick in the meantime? When we could all just be patient for the vaccine hopefully.

Raziel
11-10-2020, 10:09 AM
jasmine22: Well, we'll find out. And even if it's a good Vaccine, it won't be till next Summer till we can get it. But I'm not going to trust it till the trials are complete, and no one dies from it. I don't want to stick a needle in my arm and wake up in HEAVEN.

Raziel
11-10-2020, 10:12 AM
ummmm......everyone in the world is currently in that 10%

Assuming this doesn't kill us too. Vaccines are no joke. Can't rush them. You'll kill people.

jasmine22
11-12-2020, 08:01 PM
Assuming this doesn't kill us too. Vaccines are no joke. Can't rush them. You'll kill people.

It is suspicious how fast they came out with it isn’t it? I was so happy bc it was literally the best news I’ve had all year but it’s def strange that they could make one so fast.

Raziel
11-12-2020, 08:48 PM
Well, they can do it, BUT they need to test it. Otherwise it could kill people. This might have been Trump, pushing things. I don't know. I just want make sure it's real.

eagle2
11-12-2020, 08:52 PM
Assuming this doesn't kill us too. Vaccines are no joke. Can't rush them. You'll kill people.

I believe it's been tested on 44,000 people.

Raziel
11-12-2020, 09:10 PM
Well, maybe. But we'll still have to see. But maybe.

Eric Stoner
11-13-2020, 10:02 AM
It is suspicious how fast they came out with it isn’t it? I was so happy bc it was literally the best news I’ve had all year but it’s def strange that they could make one so fast.

Not at all. Operation Warp Speed ?

Raziel
11-13-2020, 11:26 AM
Operation Warp Speed is just a name they gave it. I remember that in Iraq there was Operation Red Dawn (Referencing a 1980's movie). Never pay attention to what the name is.

We will see about this Vaccine. Just let the Trials go. I can tell you this, until I see the Trial results, I'm not taking it.

eagle2
11-16-2020, 03:55 PM
I just read that Moderna's vaccine was 94.5% effective in tests.

MeganLee5
11-17-2020, 01:40 AM
I think it is too late for a lockdown

Eric Stoner
11-17-2020, 10:42 AM
I think it is too late for a lockdown

Several states are cancelling Thanksgiving and maybe Christmas too.

And just announced : New Orleans is canceling Mardi Gras.