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miss.a.p1600
11-16-2020, 09:24 PM
Nobody has been more critical of Trump and his careless tweets and foot in mouth disease than ME ! Some of his remarks have been INTERPRETED as being racist. "When there is shooting there is looting " is bassackwards. The quote is actually the converse and it was said by the then Mayor of Miami over 50 years ago. It was in response to riots and looting in Miami. After he said it, order was quickly restored. If I had a business in one of these riot zones I'd be defending it with a shotgun. But that's just me. When Trump said "very fine people on both sides " he was NOT talking about far right loonies but instead was talking about those who supported maintaining Confederate statuary. And I think he was WRONG to say it and to support keeping public statues of Robert .E. Lee et al.

As for Ms. Harris her statements supporting Anti-Fa and BLM EXTREMISTS are all over the Internet. Read what she wrote about Ismael Chamu on HER Twitter account. She said he "represents our future ". This is a guy who advocates anti-police violence and killing white people ! She promoted bail funds for rioters. NOT protesters. RIOTERS !

She only got around to a lukewarm condemnation of the violence AFTER she was nominated for VP. Harris is an unabashed Marxist with authoritarian leanings. She seriously thinks she can confiscate legally owned guns with just an Executive Order ! She said so at one of the Dem debates.

That’s the point. Trump is dumb but he’s smart enough know how to rile people up for attention. I personally think he says things that could be interpreted the wrong way on purpose so he can be like “I never said that that’s how YOU interpreted it” type gaslighting

confiscate legally owned guns?

make it make sense Eric....

Raziel
11-16-2020, 09:29 PM
She can't confiscate legally owned guns. If she said that she was mistaken. You have to have another Constitutional Amendment to negate another Constitutional Amendment. And that takes forever. We've seen this before with Prohibition.

Quit worrying about losing your Guns, you're not going to. Executive Order cannot overturn a Constitutional Amendment.

moneybags
11-16-2020, 09:32 PM
I’ve moving on. He doesn’t really matter anymore.

Raziel
11-16-2020, 09:37 PM
He does for about 64 more days. At midnight, anyway.

moneybags
11-16-2020, 11:52 PM
^^^its like when you break up with your live in boyfriend/girlfriend...awkward...LOL. Seriously we need to stop paying attention to him. Narcissism recovery 101...stop the supply. Yes we can’t completely ignore him, but most of what he says and does can be ignored and certainly does deserve airtime.

Eric Stoner
11-17-2020, 09:31 AM
So why does every poll on the debate show that more people thought Harris won than Pence won?


Please show your sources.


By what measurements is her district worse off? Maxine Waters is a member of Congress, not the mayor. She's responsible for governing the entire country, not her district.



Crime rates are up in most major cities. Why do you criticize Maxine Waters and Lori Lightfoot for how bad things have gotten in their district and city, but you praise Trump for the great job he's doing? You must be aware that the President bears some responsibility for what goes on in America, which includes big cities. How is America doing now, compared to when Trump took office?

How can you criticize Pelosi and Lori Lightfoot for getting their hair done, when you support Donald Trump, who travels around the country, holding rallies in front of thousands of people packed closely together, with most people not wearing masks, as well as holding events at the White House with hundreds of people mingling with each other, and not wearing masks? I saw one study that estimates approximately 300 people have died as a result of Trump's rallies. I doubt that a single person was harmed when Pelosi and Lori Lightfoot got their hair done.

This is why you come across as misogynistic. There's a massive difference between the way you talk about these women and the way you talk about Trump. It seems you greatly overstate everything bad about these women, while you greatly understate most bad things about Trump, and greatly overstate how great he is. He's actually not great at all. When Harris debated Pence, you said, "she is intellectually shallow and factually challenged", in a debate most Americans say she won. With Trump you went through every possible contortion imaginable, to try to prove that Trump didn't seriously ask if you could cure covid by injecting disinfectant, even though it's perfectly clear on video that is what he said.


Are you kidding?! Under Obama, Iran destroyed thousands of centrifuges and stopped enriching uranium. Under Trump, Iran resumed their uranium enrichment program. Trump greatly legitimized Kim Jong-Un, one of the most brutal, murderous dictators in the world, by meeting with him and frequently praising him, while getting nothing in return. Trump ran his entire campaign around reducing our trade deficit with the world. It's increased by more than $200 billion since Trump took office.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#Consumer_protection

Governor Gavin Newsome for one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kamala_Harris_2020_presidential_campaign_e ndorsements

Name one thing Trump accomplished in his life, before becoming a one-term president, other than inheriting a lot of money and bankrupting one business after another.



That's what his sister said. Why would she lie about it? It's been clearly proven that Trump is a moron. He reads and writes at an elementary school level. All you have to do is read his tweets to see this.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2016/12/trump-unpresidented-tweet.jpg

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/TrumpHeelTweet.jpg

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Screen-Shot-2017-07-13-at-3.36.06-PM.png



It was the leaders of the Brits, the French, the Germans, and the Canadians that were caught on video ridiculing Trump. Trump called Trudeau, "two-faced". He still thinks he's in high school. This was widely reported. Trump was also laughed at when making a speech at the UN.



Your views are based more on misinformation, rather than facts, while you ignore all of the stupid, moronic things Trump has said and done.

What are your main sources for information? Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh?

I can't for the life of me, understand what is wrong with close to half of all Americans, that you are not able to see Trump for who and what he is. He doesn't hide it. He's a stupid, evil monster. This isn't a political opinion. It's a fact. He's not even fazed by the fact that 250,000 Americans have died from the pandemic. He couldn't care less. He's not only done practically nothing, he's actively tried to make it worse. He is trying to destroy our democracy and install himself as dictator. If he leaves office on Jan. 20, which he probably will, it's not because he accepts that he is no longer president, but because he wasn't able to corrupt our system enough to keep him in power. Who knows how much further he would have gotten in another four years? He's been perfectly clear since he first ran for president, that he would never accept the results of an election that he lost. He's made it very clear that he has no regard for the law, and doesn't believe it applies to him.

I don't care about the poll. I watched the debate and thought Pence cleaned her clock. You and everyone else are free to disagree.

I already posted a highlight from Kamala's own Twitter account. A quick googling will give you several other examples. Neither she nor Biden have condemned the violent attacks on the MAGA marchers by Anti-Fa and BLM.

I do not praise Trump. I praise MOST ( not all ) of his policies. I respond to unfair and inaccurate critiques of him and his policies. Afaic , it is unnecessary to make things up about him when there is so much to criticize him for grounded on FACTS. I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP ! Never did. He is rude , crude , factually challenged and delinquent , appeals too much to emotion and is far too disrespectful for my taste. Yes, he is a bastard but he is OUR BASTARD.
Prior to Covid , repeat PRIOR to Covid our economy was humming along nicely. We were more respected around the world than under Obama. Yes, yes, I know you don't like or agree with that part but it's true IMHO.

I said at the time that what Trump tried to communicate about disinfectants was DUMB. If , IF you took what he said literally then it could be interpreted as advocating doing something unsafe if not lethal. I said it was clumsy and half-assed. His explanation that he was being sarcastic was pure 100% bullshit . I also said that they are chemical agents that ARE used to battle various diseases by DOCTORS. Trump ought to have it made it clear that is what he was talking about. He didn't. More's the pity especially since it has been announced that mouthwash ( like Listerine ) kills the Covid virus. In the mouth obviously and not in the respiratory system.

Maxine's district has stagnated ever since she was elected. Crime and drug use have not gone down. Poverty has gone up. Maxine was a prime supporter of sub-prime lending and we all know how well that worked out. Maxine herself has done very well. She lives in a beautiful home OUTSIDE her district and those dependent on her largesse have also done very well.

I respect competence , legit qualifications , integrity and accomplishment. Regardless of gender , color, sexual preference or any other category that Dems and Libs are so fond of using to put each one of us into a designated box. Name one improvement in Chicago brought about by Ms. Lightfoot and her regime. I can't think of any. Name one accomplishment by Nancy except the loss of at least 12 House seats in the last election.

Trump's rallies were held OUTDOORS. If the attendees did not wear a mask or properly distance themselves that was their choice, In fact it was their choice to attend and run any attendant risks. Obviously , they don't think they need your nanny state authoritarianism telling them what to do. Would it have been better if Trump had worn a mask more often ? Of course. He could have and should have set a better example and his failure to do so was probably a big factor in his defeat.

As for Ms. Rice and Iran that lousy deal is actually on John Kerry and Obama. A treaty NEVER ratified by the Senate btw. Ms. Rice was trotted out after the Benghazi killings to try and blame it on a video almost nobody in the Arab world had ever seen. She was the one who illegally unmasked American citizens. As for the Iran deal itself, Trump rightfully abrogated it. Iran had been cheating and enriching uranium BEFORE Trump did so. Trump has helped assemble an anti-Iran alliance. And let's not forget all of the Iranian sponsorship of terrorism using money Obama gave them.

Where is the guy who took the SAT's for Trump ? Did he also take his tests at Fordham and Wharton ?

Whether they laugh at him or not , world leaders were stuck dealing with Trump. He negotiated more favorable deals for the U.S. than Obama ever did.
He TRIED to negotiate a deal with Kim Jong Un. The North Koreans refuse to give up their nukes. Trump has maintained the sanctions. We have lost nothing by at least talking to them. You seriously think Biden will do better ?

Obviously I read things that you don't. And watch and listen to people that you don't like. Including Rush sometimes. I can't stand Hannity but I like Rush. So what ? I prefer him to those nitwits on CNN and MSNBC. So what ?

I think a lot of Trump voters were like me. We didn't like the guy. We put up with his gaffes and fake facts. ( Let's see what you say after 4 years of Biden's dotage. ) We did like his policies. We liked that he put America First. We like that he stood up for entrepreneurs and the working class. That he cut taxes, reduced regulations , helped make us energy independent ( for the first time since W.W. II ) and increased defense spending in a dangerous world .
Real wages under Trump - UP. Stock market - UP. Inflation -stable. We like most of his judicial appointees.

We don't see him as evil. Careless and occasionally foolish , and even stupid , yes. His response to Covid was too slow and the results have been mixed. I doubt anyone else could have or would have done much better and I base that NOT on affinity for Trump but rather on what people in responsible positions were saying AT THE TIME things were happening. I do not think that Trump was well served by Fauci et.al. whose pronouncements varied with the weather and changed almost day by day. Cuomo , Murphy and other governors and mayors also screwed up. So did the WHO. So did the Congress.
Hate Trump if you will, the fact remains that HIS Operation Warp Speed has given us two ( not one, TWO ) Covid vaccines in less than a year. Instead of thanking Trump we have to listen to Cuomo raise unsupported questions about them simply because they were developed under Trump. Like Trump played with the test results and fudged the math on the human trials.

Just as you seem to be perplexed why otherwise intelligent people can vote for Trump , I am just as puzzled as to why anyone would vote for someone as obviously mentally challenged as Biden. Or as unqualified and inexperienced as Harris.

Trump is NOT a politician. That has been his biggest asset and greatest liability. He doesn't play the game and is not part of the "Swamp".

In any event , be of good cheer. On January 20, 2021 Trump is Outta Here ! I am hoping he does so like a gentleman but I'm betting he glues all the drawers and cabinets in the White House shut before he leaves. Hopefully he skips short sheeting all the beds. I am also looking forward to you and your fellow libs trying to explain away Biden's gaffes for the next year or two. Until Nancy, Kamala and the Cabinet get Joe to resign and let Kamala take over.

Eric Stoner
11-17-2020, 09:33 AM
That’s the point. Trump is dumb but he’s smart enough know how to rile people up for attention. I personally think he says things that could be interpreted the wrong way on purpose so he can be like “I never said that that’s how YOU interpreted it” type gaslighting

confiscate legally owned guns?

make it make sense Eric....

I did NOT tell Ms. Harris to say that. But she did. At one of the Democrat debates she said she would act if Congress did not to confiscate legally owned guns and do it by Executive Order. I doubt that even Kagan and Sotomayor would go along with her doing that .

Eric Stoner
11-17-2020, 09:35 AM
She can't confiscate legally owned guns. If she said that she was mistaken. You have to have another Constitutional Amendment to negate another Constitutional Amendment. And that takes forever. We've seen this before with Prohibition.

Quit worrying about losing your Guns, you're not going to. Executive Order cannot overturn a Constitutional Amendment.

You're right. Now tell that to Ms. Harris. While you're at it why not sit her down and have her READ the Constitution ? Just a thought.

Raziel
11-17-2020, 09:46 AM
Your Guns are safe. There's nothing she can do about it. They try to overturn the 2nd Amendment, it needs to have a supermajority in both the House and Senate, which it won't get, and then it goes to the states. It needs three quarters of the states, which it won't get, there's just too many states that won't do it. Texas, for example, would rather sink into the Ocean than overturn the Second Amendment.

Besides, if you did you're just taking guns out of the hands of regular people. Criminals buy them out of the trunk of a CAR! They'll be the only ones with guns! Criminals, by definition, don't obey the law!

Eric Stoner
11-17-2020, 10:54 AM
^^^ Actually , thanks to Giuliani I had to give up my NYC concealed carry permit a little more than 20 years ago. According to the NYPD I did not have a sufficient documented need and they denied my renewal. I still had a business permit and I'm still on the books of the security agency I co-owned before I sold out but it's only good if I am on a job ; like armored car guards. It's so restrictive and such a pain in the neck with the required paperwork etc. that I just gave up and sold my pistol to one of my ex-partners. Under Giuliani about half the carry permit holders in NYC had to surrender their pistols. I still have a legal shotgun and a rifle.

slowpoke
11-17-2020, 12:11 PM
Read his platform. He plans to try.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Raziel
11-17-2020, 03:57 PM
Eric, that's a Concealed Carry Permit. They didn't always have those, anyway. Saint Louis only got them about 15 years ago. And they didn't TAKE YOUR GUNS did they?

Raziel
11-17-2020, 04:01 PM
And BOY has Giuliani done a right hand switch, first he's taking people's CCP, now he's the biggest Republican on Earth.

Also talks nonsense.

Raziel
11-17-2020, 04:12 PM
Read his platform. He plans to try.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Bro... Doesn't matter. He'll never get it done. Executive Order can't overturn a Constitutional Amendment, only another Constitutional Amendment can. And he'll be out of office before that happens, do you know how long the ERA took? All he can do is tighten up restrictions. I don't believe they can TAKE your Gun rights away, but I do think you can surrender them. You commit a violent crime, you shouldn't be allowed to have a Gun, you'll just do it again. If your an inpatient at a Nuthouse, you need to be cleared before you can have a Gun again, etc...

But MOST of these Gun owners are just regular people.

Raziel
11-17-2020, 08:25 PM
Jesus Christ, January 20th can't get here fast enough. Every day this dude does crazy shit. Now he's fired some dude that was only telling the truth. GOOD GOD!!!

Djoser
11-17-2020, 09:56 PM
But here is one- she has actively and explicitly encouraged rioting. Not in those words ( she's not that stupid )

Kinda like when Trump Tweeted 'Liberate Michigan!', (and then the whackjob militia guys tried to kidnap and execute the governor)? Or his 'Covid Advisor' Tweeting 'Rise Up!'?

;D

Djoser
11-17-2020, 10:05 PM
I honestly think some men have serious problems seeing women lead or being led by women

Try millions of them. There's a lot of very weak men pretending they are actually real tough guys with all this rah rah shit, driving around in really big trucks with a zillion flags, strapping on all their guns, ammo, and survival gear to play Army, posting on Facebook about how 'libtard' men (anyone who disagrees with them) are crybabies and snowflakes, etc.

I'm seriously wondering how many of the rabid Trump guys have mushrooms also. :D

Raziel
11-17-2020, 10:22 PM
Try millions of them. There's a lot of very weak men pretending they are actually real tough guys with all this rah rah shit, driving around in really big trucks with a zillion flags, strapping on all their guns, ammo, and survival gear to play Army, posting on Facebook about how 'libtard' men (anyone who disagrees with them) are crybabies and snowflakes, etc.

I'm seriously wondering how many of the rabid Trump guys have mushrooms also. :D

Yeah, this female James Bond is REALLY going to piss those guys off. Good. You can always tell who's who by how they react to artwork. I get constant hate mail, i laugh at it. I get the occasional death threat. I always respond to those, "Come here, asshat, I'll gun you the fuck down." BTW, no one does and I have never heard from even one of them again.

Paper Tigers.

eagle2
11-17-2020, 10:56 PM
Read his platform. He plans to try.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

He will add restrictions, but law-abiding citizens will still be able to purchase and own guns.

moneybags
11-18-2020, 12:52 AM
I'm seriously wondering how many of the rabid Trump guys have mushrooms also. :D


What is it they say the loudest in the room is the weakest.”

eagle2
11-18-2020, 01:20 AM
I do not praise Trump. I praise MOST ( not all ) of his policies. I respond to unfair and inaccurate critiques of him and his policies. Afaic , it is unnecessary to make things up about him when there is so much to criticize him for grounded on FACTS. I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP ! Never did. He is rude , crude , factually challenged and delinquent , appeals too much to emotion and is far too disrespectful for my taste. Yes, he is a bastard but he is OUR BASTARD.

He's not "OUR BASTARD". Trump is in this for himself, and nobody else. Trump thinks our soldiers who fought and died for our country are "suckers and losers". When our intelligence agencies told him that Russia illegally interfered in our election, he refused to believe them, and instead went by what Putin told him. When he was told that Russia was placing bounties on the heads of our soldiers in Afghanistan, Trump wouldn't even ask Putin about it.



Prior to Covid , repeat PRIOR to Covid our economy was humming along nicely. We were more respected around the world than under Obama. Yes, yes, I know you don't like or agree with that part but it's true IMHO.

It was humming along nicely when he took office. The most that can be said is he didn't wreck the economy during his first three years in office. There was little change in GDP growth after he took office. More jobs were created in Obama's last year in office, than in Trump's first year. More jobs were created in Obama's last 3 yrs in office than during Trump's first three. By Trump's 3rd year in office, manufacturing was in recession.



Maxine's district has stagnated ever since she was elected. Crime and drug use have not gone down. Poverty has gone up.

Again, Maxine Waters is a member of Congress, not the mayor. Why do you hold her responsible for the state of her district, but not Trump?



I respect competence , legit qualifications , integrity and accomplishment. Regardless of gender , color, sexual preference or any other category that Dems and Libs are so fond of using to put each one of us into a designated box. Name one improvement in Chicago brought about by Ms. Lightfoot and her regime. I can't think of any. Name one accomplishment by Nancy except the loss of at least 12 House seats in the last election.


Pelosi has been one of the most effective leaders in Congress. As leader of the minority party during Trump's first 2 years, she got practically everything the Democrats wanted in Trump's first budget. She managed to get Trump to walk away from infrastructure spending, which would have greatly helped him in getting reelected. As a grandmother, she knows how to deal with children like Trump. She managed to win the House by one of the largest margins in history in 2018, and then she won it again in 2020 by a smaller margin. Pelosi was a major factor in Trump losing in 2020. Defeating an incumbent president is extremely difficult.



Trump's rallies were held OUTDOORS. If the attendees did not wear a mask or properly distance themselves that was their choice, In fact it was their choice to attend and run any attendant risks. Obviously , they don't think they need your nanny state authoritarianism telling them what to do. Would it have been better if Trump had worn a mask more often ? Of course. He could have and should have set a better example and his failure to do so was probably a big factor in his defeat.


The virus can be spread outdoors too. Dozens of people, including Trump, caught the virus at an outdoor event at the White House. The people attending Trump's rallies and not wearing masks were not only endangering their own lives, but the lives of everyone in their community. Again, one study estimated that approximately 300 people died as a result of these rallies.



As for Ms. Rice and Iran that lousy deal is actually on John Kerry and Obama. A treaty NEVER ratified by the Senate btw. Ms. Rice was trotted out after the Benghazi killings to try and blame it on a video almost nobody in the Arab world had ever seen. She was the one who illegally unmasked American citizens. As for the Iran deal itself, Trump rightfully abrogated it. Iran had been cheating and enriching uranium BEFORE Trump did so. Trump has helped assemble an anti-Iran alliance. And let's not forget all of the Iranian sponsorship of terrorism using money Obama gave them.

Rice did not illegally unmask any American citizens, and her statement on the video was based on the intelligence we had at the time. I don't understand why some people make such a big deal over something so insignificant. If you're so concerned about illegal activities, why aren't you concerned about all of the people associated with Trump who have been indicted, convicted, or pleaded guilty over the past four years? Why aren't you concerned about laws broken by Trump? If you're so concerned about lying, why aren't you concerned about the thousands of lies Trump has told over the past 4 yrs, including lies about a deadly virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? (there are 15 cases and soon there will be zero).

What was so lousy about a deal that got Iran to destroy thousands of centrifuges and to stop enriching uranium? Iran did not cheat on the deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/09/fact-checking-president-trumps-reasons-for-leaving-the-iran-nuclear-deal/



The IAEA has found that Iran has complied with the JCPOA. The Trump administration has not disputed this assessment, and it certified in July 2017 that Iran was meeting the terms of the deal.


Obama did not give any money to Iran. It was already Iran's money to begin with. The amount of money Iran spends on terrorism, relative to their GDP is not very much and they don't need any additional funding to support it.



Where is the guy who took the SAT's for Trump ? Did he also take his tests at Fordham and Wharton ?

Trump has sent letters to every school he's attending, threatening to sue them if they ever released any of his grades or school records. Why would he do this if he did well in school? One of his teachers at Penn said Trump was the dumbest student he ever had. There is no question that Trump is a moron. Again, please look at Trump's tweets that I posted. Members of Trump's cabinet and his own family have called him stupid or "a fucking moron". How much more proof do you need?



Whether they laugh at him or not , world leaders were stuck dealing with Trump. He negotiated more favorable deals for the U.S. than Obama ever did.

Not only have they laughed at him, they don't like him, which means he cannot count on them for support. Trump could not get a single country to support him when he pulled out of the Iran agreement.

If Trump's deals have been so favorable to the US, why has our trade deficit increased by more than $200 billion, since Trump took office?



He TRIED to negotiate a deal with Kim Jong Un. The North Koreans refuse to give up their nukes. Trump has maintained the sanctions. We have lost nothing by at least talking to them. You seriously think Biden will do better ?


Every president has talked to N. Korea. The difference is, other presidents negotiate with N. Korea privately through American officials. They don't publicly meet with N. Korea's leaders, or praise them, giving them prestige and legitimacy, and getting nothing.



Obviously I read things that you don't. And watch and listen to people that you don't like. Including Rush sometimes. I can't stand Hannity but I like Rush. So what ? I prefer him to those nitwits on CNN and MSNBC. So what ?


Rush is dishonest, a bully, a hypocrite, and a misogynist. He's referred to Kamala Harris as "a mattress" and to Biden/Harris as "Joe and the hoe". He called a college student a whore and said he should be allowed to watch her have sex, because she testifed to Congress that insurance companies should pay for contraception. He's advocated stiff sentences for drug offenders, but didn't have a problem with using drugs illegally himself. He's defended the tobacco industry and insisted tobacco isn't harmful. Why would you listen to or take seriously such a horrible person?



I think a lot of Trump voters were like me. We didn't like the guy. We put up with his gaffes and fake facts. ( Let's see what you say after 4 years of Biden's dotage. ) We did like his policies. We liked that he put America First. We like that he stood up for entrepreneurs and the working class. That he cut taxes, reduced regulations , helped make us energy independent ( for the first time since W.W. II ) and increased defense spending in a dangerous world.

Trump doesn't put America first. He puts himself first. He has no concern for the average American. His tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthiest Americans, while probably half of all Americans got nothing. He could have helped the poorest working-class Americans by increasing the minimum wage, but did nothing. He did nothing to make us energy independent either. Oil production in the US has been increasing every year for more than a decade. He said he was going to save the coal industry. (another of his many lies) The coal industry has been collapsing faster under Trump than it was under Obama. He's trying to take away healthcare from millions and eliminate protections for people with pre-existing conditions. How does that help working class Americans? The president can't increase defense spending. Only Congress can. Obama asked for defense spending increases too, but the Republicans refused to pass it.

Over 250,000 Americans have died from covid in less than a year. Do you really think Biden could have done worse?



Real wages under Trump - UP. Stock market - UP. Inflation -stable. We like most of his judicial appointees.

The same could be said for Obama, yet I do not see you praising him.



We don't see him as evil. Careless and occasionally foolish , and even stupid , yes. His response to Covid was too slow and the results have been mixed. I doubt anyone else could have or would have done much better and I base that NOT on affinity for Trump but rather on what people in responsible positions were saying AT THE TIME things were happening. I do not think that Trump was well served by Fauci et.al. whose pronouncements varied with the weather and changed almost day by day. Cuomo , Murphy and other governors and mayors also screwed up. So did the WHO. So did the Congress.

There's no question any responsible person would have done better than Trump. Japan's leaders kept their number of deaths below 2,000. S. Korea's leaders kept their number of deaths below 500. Practically every decision Trump made, in regard to the virus, has made things worse, not better. He pressured states to reopen before it was safe. He mocks people for wearing masks. He lied to the American people about the severity of the virus. He holds rallies, knowing how contagious and deadly the virus is.

Trump is an evil man. There's no question about that. If you were being targeted by Trump the way certain people, such as people of color were, I'm sure you'd feel differently. I've seen one video after another of Hispanics being harassed by Trump supporters, being told "go back to your country", or Asians being harassed by Trump supporters, and being blamed for the Trump virus. Since Trump took office, there's been an unprecedented increase in hate crimes.



Hate Trump if you will, the fact remains that HIS Operation Warp Speed has given us two ( not one, TWO ) Covid vaccines in less than a year. Instead of thanking Trump we have to listen to Cuomo raise unsupported questions about them simply because they were developed under Trump. Like Trump played with the test results and fudged the math on the human trials.

Trump had nothing to do with it. The pharmaceutical companies that developed the vaccines are the ones responsible.



Just as you seem to be perplexed why otherwise intelligent people can vote for Trump , I am just as puzzled as to why anyone would vote for anyone as obviously mentally challenged as Biden. Or as unqualified and inexperienced as Harris.

Because you get your information from dishonest, biased sources. As I said before, Biden has a stuttering problem, and sometimes struggles with speaking. The right-wing media loves to make a big deal out of every little mistake and misstatement he makes, while ignoring all of the horrible and stupid things Trump has said and done. Harris is far more qualified than Trump to be president. Even if that wasn't true, preserving our democracy takes precedence for me, over all else, when it comes to choosing our leaders. Trump is intent on destroying our democracy and making himself dictator.



Trump is NOT a politician. That has been his biggest asset and greatest liability. He doesn't play the game and is not part of the "Swamp".

No, he's a street thug who inherited a billion dollars.



In any event , be of good cheer. On January 20, 2021 Trump is Outta Here ! I am hoping he does so like a gentleman but I'm betting he glues all the drawers and cabinets in the White House shut before he leaves. Hopefully he skips short sheeting all the beds. I am also looking forward to you and your fellow libs trying to explain away Biden's gaffes for the next year or two. Until Nancy, Kamala and the Cabinet get Joe to resign and let Kamala take over.

We don't know that yet. If it's up to Trump, he won't be out of here, and he will do everything he possibly can to prevent it from happening. He probably will be forced to leave, but that is only because there are enough good people in govt who will make it happen, but there's no guarantee it will, and if he was given another four years, who knows how much further along he would get?

Raziel
11-18-2020, 03:41 AM
^ GOD DAMN that was an essay. You'd never catch me doing that. I had to scroll down though it. I'd DIE before doing that.

A well written essay, but still, that's too much free writing for me. I keep mine to like one or two sentences.

miss.a.p1600
11-18-2020, 03:43 AM
Try millions of them. There's a lot of very weak men pretending they are actually real tough guys with all this rah rah shit, driving around in really big trucks with a zillion flags, strapping on all their guns, ammo, and survival gear to play Army, posting on Facebook about how 'libtard' men (anyone who disagrees with them) are crybabies and snowflakes, etc.

I'm seriously wondering how many of the rabid Trump guys have mushrooms also. :D

lol!!!

This reminds me of an article I read about what French people think about Americans and one of the things they said was “why Americans post so many flags?”

eagle2
11-18-2020, 03:44 AM
Hate Trump if you will, the fact remains that HIS Operation Warp Speed has given us two ( not one, TWO ) Covid vaccines in less than a year. Instead of thanking Trump we have to listen to Cuomo raise unsupported questions about them simply because they were developed under Trump. Like Trump played with the test results and fudged the math on the human trials.


Dolly Parton did more to help develop a vaccine for COVD-19 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34701247/dolly-parton-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19/) than Trump ever did, which was nothing, and she doesn't go around constantly bragging about it, and taking credit for other people's accomplishments.

Djoser
11-18-2020, 07:46 AM
Yeah, this female James Bond is REALLY going to piss those guys off.

Well I'm no mushroom, but I've read all the Bond books, so will take a pass on the new movie.

The novels were set in the 50s, but were based largely on Fleming's own experience as a high level spy in WW 2. It's a far different world than 2020.

The only two actors who even came close to the books' version of James Bond were Connery and Craig, especially Connery in the first 3-4. It was all downhill starting with Diamonds Are Forever. Most of the later movies had very little to do with Fleming's excellent novels anyway, and were more like cheezy science fiction with some naked girls. At least until Craig put them back on course towards the novels recently. So the new one isn't really going to be worse in that respect.

Incidentally, you being a writer, you might like this book written by one of the 'real life' guys Fleming based his Bond upon:

https://www.amazon.com/Spy-counterspy-autobiography-Dusko-Popov/dp/0448116065/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?crid=2FRZ5KB3T0PNN&cv_ct_cx=dusko+popov&dchild=1&keywords=dusko+popov&pd_rd_i=0448116065&pd_rd_r=4bd8f49d-78f8-4166-8a1d-bf1c4764bff6&pd_rd_w=4gNty&pd_rd_wg=klgfR&pf_rd_p=1835a2a9-7ed8-48dc-ad07-fcd7527bd2bc&pf_rd_r=5A94XFZBD5HCQRT0NQCR&psc=1&qid=1605710782&sprefix=duskov+popov%2Caps%2C173&sr=1-1-80ba0e26-a1cd-4e7b-87a0-a2ffae3a273c

Popov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%c5%a1ko_Popov

Djoser
11-18-2020, 07:52 AM
What is it they say the loudest in the room is the weakest.”

Ha but I'm loud as hell, my whole family on my mom's side have mutant powerful voices, goes right through thickest walls, gets attention of small children and animals instantly. Doesn't help I'm a DJ ;D

However it's generally true. And the guys yelling 'Hey come over here pussy I'll beat your ass!' etc. are usually all bark no bite.

Eric Stoner
11-18-2020, 09:05 AM
Eric, that's a Concealed Carry Permit. They didn't always have those, anyway. Saint Louis only got them about 15 years ago. And they didn't TAKE YOUR GUNS did they?

Actually , If I hadn't sold my Browning BDA .380 I would have been required to just turn it over with NO COMPENSATION. Instead I presented the bill of sale and a copy of my ex-partner's Concealed Carry Permit.

Eric Stoner
11-18-2020, 09:34 AM
He's not "OUR BASTARD". Trump is in this for himself, and nobody else. Trump thinks our soldiers who fought and died for our country are "suckers and losers". When our intelligence agencies told him that Russia illegally interfered in our election, he refused to believe them, and instead went by what Putin told him. When he was told that Russia was placing bounties on the heads of our soldiers in Afghanistan, Trump wouldn't even ask Putin about it.


It was humming along nicely when he took office. The most that can be said is he didn't wreck the economy during his first three years in office. There was little change in GDP growth after he took office. More jobs were created in Obama's last year in office, than in Trump's first year. More jobs were created in Obama's last 3 yrs in office than during Trump's first three. By Trump's 3rd year in office, manufacturing was in recession.


Again, Maxine Waters is a member of Congress, not the mayor. Why do you hold her responsible for the state of her district, but not Trump?



Pelosi has been one of the most effective leaders in Congress. As leader of the minority party during Trump's first 2 years, she got practically everything the Democrats wanted in Trump's first budget. She managed to get Trump to walk away from infrastructure spending, which would have greatly helped him in getting reelected. As a grandmother, she knows how to deal with children like Trump. She managed to win the House by one of the largest margins in history in 2018, and then she won it again in 2020 by a smaller margin. Pelosi was a major factor in Trump losing in 2020. Defeating an incumbent president is extremely difficult.



The virus can be spread outdoors too. Dozens of people, including Trump, caught the virus at an outdoor event at the White House. The people attending Trump's rallies and not wearing masks were not only endangering their own lives, but the lives of everyone in their community. Again, one study estimated that approximately 300 people died as a result of these rallies.


Rice did not illegally unmask any American citizens, and her statement on the video was based on the intelligence we had at the time. I don't understand why some people make such a big deal over something so insignificant. If you're so concerned about illegal activities, why aren't you concerned about all of the people associated with Trump who have been indicted, convicted, or pleaded guilty over the past four years? Why aren't you concerned about laws broken by Trump? If you're so concerned about lying, why aren't you concerned about the thousands of lies Trump has told over the past 4 yrs, including lies about a deadly virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? (there are 15 cases and soon there will be zero).

What was so lousy about a deal that got Iran to destroy thousands of centrifuges and to stop enriching uranium? Iran did not cheat on the deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/09/fact-checking-president-trumps-reasons-for-leaving-the-iran-nuclear-deal/



Obama did not give any money to Iran. It was already Iran's money to begin with. The amount of money Iran spends on terrorism, relative to their GDP is not very much and they don't need any additional funding to support it.


Trump has sent letters to every school he's attending, threatening to sue them if they ever released any of his grades or school records. Why would he do this if he did well in school? One of his teachers at Penn said Trump was the dumbest student he ever had. There is no question that Trump is a moron. Again, please look at Trump's tweets that I posted. Members of Trump's cabinet and his own family have called him stupid or "a fucking moron". How much more proof do you need?


Not only have they laughed at him, they don't like him, which means he cannot count on them for support. Trump could not get a single country to support him when he pulled out of the Iran agreement.

If Trump's deals have been so favorable to the US, why has our trade deficit increased by more than $200 billion, since Trump took office?



Every president has talked to N. Korea. The difference is, other presidents negotiate with N. Korea privately through American officials. They don't publicly meet with N. Korea's leaders, or praise them, giving them prestige and legitimacy, and getting nothing.



Rush is dishonest, a bully, a hypocrite, and a misogynist. He's referred to Kamala Harris as "a mattress" and to Biden/Harris as "Joe and the hoe". He called a college student a whore and said he should be allowed to watch her have sex, because she testifed to Congress that insurance companies should pay for contraception. He's advocated stiff sentences for drug offenders, but didn't have a problem with using drugs illegally himself. He's defended the tobacco industry and insisted tobacco isn't harmful. Why would you listen to or take seriously such a horrible person?


Trump doesn't put America first. He puts himself first. He has no concern for the average American. His tax cuts disproportionately helped the wealthiest Americans, while probably half of all Americans got nothing. He could have helped the poorest working-class Americans by increasing the minimum wage, but did nothing. He did nothing to make us energy independent either. Oil production in the US has been increasing every year for more than a decade. He said he was going to save the coal industry. (another of his many lies) The coal industry has been collapsing faster under Trump than it was under Obama. He's trying to take away healthcare from millions and eliminate protections for people with pre-existing conditions. How does that help working class Americans? The president can't increase defense spending. Only Congress can. Obama asked for defense spending increases too, but the Republicans refused to pass it.

Over 250,000 Americans have died from covid in less than a year. Do you really think Biden could have done worse?


The same could be said for Obama, yet I do not see you praising him.


There's no question any responsible person would have done better than Trump. Japan's leaders kept their number of deaths below 2,000. S. Korea's leaders kept their number of deaths below 500. Practically every decision Trump made, in regard to the virus, has made things worse, not better. He pressured states to reopen before it was safe. He mocks people for wearing masks. He lied to the American people about the severity of the virus. He holds rallies, knowing how contagious and deadly the virus is.

Trump is an evil man. There's no question about that. If you were being targeted by Trump the way certain people, such as people of color were, I'm sure you'd feel differently. I've seen one video after another of Hispanics being harassed by Trump supporters, being told "go back to your country", or Asians being harassed by Trump supporters, and being blamed for the Trump virus. Since Trump took office, there's been an unprecedented increase in hate crimes.


Trump had nothing to do with it. The pharmaceutical companies that developed the vaccines are the ones responsible.


Because you get your information from dishonest, biased sources. As I said before, Biden has a stuttering problem, and sometimes struggles with speaking. The right-wing media loves to make a big deal out of every little mistake and misstatement he makes, while ignoring all of the horrible and stupid things Trump has said and done. Harris is far more qualified than Trump to be president. Even if that wasn't true, preserving our democracy takes precedence for me, over all else, when it comes to choosing our leaders. Trump is intent on destroying our democracy and making himself dictator.


No, he's a street thug who inherited a billion dollars.



We don't know that yet. If it's up to Trump, he won't be out of here, and he will do everything he possibly can to prevent it from happening. He probably will be forced to leave, but that is only because there are enough good people in govt who will make it happen, but there's no guarantee it will, and if he was given another four years, who knows how much further along he would get?

We are back to circular argumentation that ultimately leads us nowhere. I could go back at you point by point but to what end ? You have a classic case of TDS ( that's Trump Derangement Syndrome ) and even CDS ( Conservative Derangement Syndrome ). You continually cite facts that you like and ignore others. You confuse spin with logic. No need to argue the point. It's MY OPINION and until the Liberal Thought Police get around to me , I am entitled to it. You blame Trump for every negative thing on Earth and give him no credit for any legitimate achievements. I'll bet you have never even listened to Rush. Why ? Afraid of being converted ? Of finding out that there is a big swath of America ( and even the world ) that thinks differently than you do ? I like Rush. I agree with him about Kamala and YES , that wacko woman who expected employer provided insurance for her birth control from a religious organization opposed to abortion and contraception. She WAS very arrogant and entitled so I don't have a big problem with what Rush said. In any event , if you don't like Rush's program there are two devices to help you : One changes the station and the other turns your radio OFF.

The story that Trump called U.S. soldiers "suckers and losers" was totally discredited.

Russia, Russia , Russia ! Their interference was minimal and confined to a few Facebook Ads. The Russians did not change a single vote. Not one vote was taken away from Hillary and/or given to Trump thanks to the Russians. Trump has been tougher on Putin than Obama ever was.

Btw, Trump's SISTER never said anything about his SAT's. That was Trump's NIECE while she was trying to sell her book.

Most of the rest of what you've posted is opinion based on some facts. I agree with some of it and have contrary opinions based on other facts. You remind me of Bill Buckley's critics who claimed that they had respect for other ideas. Buckley retorted about their genuine surprise that there WERE ideas other than their own.

I carefully read your posts Eagle. I check your sources ( even when sometimes you DON'T ! ). Most are just as doctrinaire ; just as biased as you are. And that is NOT your fault imho. Gone are the days when the N.Y. Times , Time , Newsweek and the Washington Post were paragons of accuracy, balance and fair play. All four used to provide a forum for moderate and even conservative voices. William Safire, Hugh Sidey , George Will , Charles Krauthammer ( RIP ! ) and even Pitchfork Pat Buchanan , a documented Anti-Semite. Even Ted Turner has bemoaned how polluted CNN has become by partisan politics . Yes, Fox and Newsmax are similar BUT they make attempts at some fairness and balance by having liberal hosts ( Juan Williams ) and guests. I have my opinions as you do. Unlike you, I try to keep an open mind and I'm not afraid to acknowledge a mistake. I've NEVER seen you do that on this board. Please feel free to correct me.

Trump is not going to be forced to leave . He's probably already started packing. He has privately told friends that he is a realist and knows he will have to leave. For now , he is fighting it out in several states because there were some irregularities and he thinks he owes it to his supporters. That has been reported in media outlets that you don't like and would love to do away with. So everybody will think like you lol.

Neither you nor I like Trump or his style. He is a "Street fighting Man ". No doubt about it. He cannot stomach any slight no matter how inconsequential. He exhibited gentlemanly behavior towards Putin and Kim and would have been better served trying the same approach with his domestic opponents and foreign allies . Nevertheless his approach worked. Up to a point. Whether they like him or not the fact remains that he negotiated several deals favorable to the U.S.

As for Biden, his problem goes much, much deeper than a stuttering problem. When he is wheeled out of the White House I have every intention of gloating and saying : " I told you so ! ".

Raziel
11-18-2020, 09:52 AM
Well I'm no mushroom, but I've read all the Bond books, so will take a pass on the new movie.

The novels were set in the 50s, but were based largely on Fleming's own experience as a high level spy in WW 2. It's a far different world than 2020.

The only two actors who even came close to the books' version of James Bond were Connery and Craig, especially Connery in the first 3-4. It was all downhill starting with Diamonds Are Forever. Most of the later movies had very little to do with Fleming's excellent novels anyway, and were more like cheezy science fiction with some naked girls. At least until Craig put them back on course towards the novels recently. So the new one isn't really going to be worse in that respect.

Incidentally, you being a writer, you might like this book written by one of the 'real life' guys Fleming based his Bond upon:

https://www.amazon.com/Spy-counterspy-autobiography-Dusko-Popov/dp/0448116065/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?crid=2FRZ5KB3T0PNN&cv_ct_cx=dusko+popov&dchild=1&keywords=dusko+popov&pd_rd_i=0448116065&pd_rd_r=4bd8f49d-78f8-4166-8a1d-bf1c4764bff6&pd_rd_w=4gNty&pd_rd_wg=klgfR&pf_rd_p=1835a2a9-7ed8-48dc-ad07-fcd7527bd2bc&pf_rd_r=5A94XFZBD5HCQRT0NQCR&psc=1&qid=1605710782&sprefix=duskov+popov%2Caps%2C173&sr=1-1-80ba0e26-a1cd-4e7b-87a0-a2ffae3a273c

Popov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%c5%a1ko_Popov

I've already read them, well, the Fleming books anyway. I'll check out these two you posted Djoser.

Raziel
11-18-2020, 04:09 PM
Interestingly, and i just thought of this, Fleming based Bond's looks after Hoagy Carmichael. A Las Vegas crooner. He was like a Frank Sinatra type.

53609

miss.a.p1600
11-19-2020, 08:11 AM
We are back to circular argumentation that ultimately leads us nowhere. I could go back at you point by point but to what end ? You have a classic case of TDS ( that's Trump Derangement Syndrome ) and even CDS ( Conservative Derangement Syndrome ). You continually cite facts that you like and ignore others. You confuse spin with logic. No need to argue the point. It's MY OPINION and until the Liberal Thought Police get around to me , I am entitled to it. You blame Trump for every negative thing on Earth and give him no credit for any legitimate achievements. I'll bet you have never even listened to Rush. Why ? Afraid of being converted ? Of finding out that there is a big swath of America ( and even the world ) that thinks differently than you do. I like Rush. I agree with him about Kamala and YES , that wacko woman who expected employer provided insurance for her birth control from a religious organization opposed to abortionand contraception WAS very arrogant and entitled so I don't have a big problem with what Rush said. In any event , if you don't like Rush's program there are two devices to help you : One changes the station and the other turns your radio OFF.

The story that Trump called U.S. soldiers "suckers and losers" was totally discredited.

Russia, Russia , Russia ! Their interference was minimal and confined to a few Facebook Ads. The Russians did not change a single vote. Not one vote was taken away from Hillary and/or given to Trump thanks to the Russians. Trump has been tougher on Putin than Obama ever was.

Btw, Trump's SISTER never said anything about his SAT's. That was Trump's NIECE while she was trying to sell her book.

Most of the rest of what you've posted is opinion based on some facts. I agree with some of it and have contrary opinions based on other facts. You remind me of Bill Buckley's critics who claimed that they had respect for other ideas. Buckley retorted about their genuine surprise that there WERE ideas other than their own.

I carefully read your posts Eagle. I check your sources ( even when sometimes you DON'T ! ). Most are just as doctrinaire ; just as biased as you are. And that is NOT your fault imho. Gone are the days when the N.Y. Times , Time , Newsweek and the Washington Post were paragons of accuracy, balance and fair play. All four used to provide a forum for moderate and even conservative voices. William Safire, Hugh Sidey , George Will , Charles Krauthammer ( RIP ! ) and even Pitchfork Pat Buchanan , a documented Anti-Semite. Even Ted Turner has bemoaned how polluted CNN has become by partisan politics . Yes, Fox and Newsmax are similar BUT they make attempts at some fairness and balance by having liberal hosts ( Juan Williams ) and guests. I have my opinions as you do. Unlike you, I try to keep an open mind and I'm not afraid to acknowledge a mistake. I've NEVER seen you do that on this board. Please feel free to correct me.

Trump is not going to be forced to leave . He's probably already started packing. He has privately told friends that he is a realist and knows he will have to leave. For now , he is fighting it out in several states because there were some irregularities and he thinks he owes it to his supporters. That has been reported in media outlets that you don't like and would love to do away with. So everybody will think like you lol.

Neither you nor I like Trump or his style. He is a "Street fighting Man ". No doubt about it. He cannot stomach any slight no matter how inconsequential. He exhibited gentlemanly behavior towards Putin and Kim and would have been better served trying the same approach with his domestic opponents and foreign allies . Nevertheless his approach worked. Up to a point. Whether they like him or not the fact remains that he negotiated several deals favorable to the U.S.

As for Biden, his problem goes much, much deeper than a stuttering problem. When he is wheeled out of the White House I have every intention of gloating and saying : " I told you so ! ".

Cold world!

If that happened .... at least it’s ONE person getting sick/dying.

They both look frail n old af. Trump looking chubby, sounding out of breath, n spreading his pathogens for photo ops, and shashaying around wreaking havoc with his untreated undiagnosed mental illness/personality disorder. Neither Trump nor Biden are as sharp cognitively as Obama.

Anyways that’s
nothing compared to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who died from the virus during the pandemic under Trumps “alternative facts” aka lying administration. Tons of jobs lost, businesses shutting down due to unchecking pandemic that raged through the country quickly because of his lackadaisical approach costing lives, people out protesting for basic constitutional rights - sometimes leading to unnecessary violence and death

That mf and his enablers are like the trashy neighbors who move into the neighborhood then bring the property value down, leaving the place looking like a savage war zone, whilst expecting someone else to clean up the mess they created.

Raziel
11-19-2020, 08:16 AM
Russia, Russia , Russia ! Their interference was minimal and confined to a few Facebook Ads. The Russians did not change a single vote. Not one vote was taken away from Hillary and/or given to Trump thanks to the Russians. Trump has been tougher on Putin than Obama ever was.

Dude, are you insane? They had TONS of Facebook ads. Social Media is WAY more powerful than we ever thought it would be. Hillary lost because she has 25 years of baggage, and people just didn't like her. But the Russians DID play a part.

miss.a.p1600
11-19-2020, 08:24 AM
Trump acting real thirsty n desperate for money n power right now

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-team-trying-to-block-election-certification-in-swing-states-2020-11

Eric Stoner
11-19-2020, 09:20 AM
Cold world!

If that happened .... at least it’s ONE person getting sick/dying.

They both look frail n old af. Trump looking chubby, sounding out of breath, n spreading his pathogens for photo ops, and shashaying around wreaking havoc with his untreated undiagnosed mental illness/personality disorder. Neither Trump nor Biden are as sharp cognitively as Obama.

Anyways that’s
nothing compared to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who died from the virus during the pandemic under Trumps “alternative facts” aka lying administration. Tons of jobs lost, businesses shutting down due to unchecking pandemic that raged through the country quickly because of his lackadaisical approach costing lives, people out protesting for basic constitutional rights - sometimes leading to unnecessary violence and death

That mf and his enablers are like the trashy neighbors who move into the neighborhood then bring the property value down, leaving the place looking like a savage war zone, whilst expecting someone else to clean up the mess they created.

You have got to stop holding back and start telling us how you really feel lol.

Djoser
11-19-2020, 08:49 PM
I don't know which is worse, the crybaby pitching hissy fits, refusing to lose with the slightest shred of dignity*, and asking for millions more dollars in contributions from his sucker base that he will then use as he pleases, or the fact that millions of Americans still actually believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

Actually, the latter is worse, because some other atavistic, Bible beating demagogue will no doubt replace him.

See now you guys got me posting political shit. ;D


*(Though I am not now and never will be an actual Biden fan)

eagle2
11-19-2020, 09:14 PM
*(Though I am not now and never will be an actual Biden fan)

Not being Donald Trump was probably the biggest factor in Biden winning.

Djoser
11-19-2020, 09:50 PM
Not being Donald Trump was probably the biggest factor in Biden winning.

EXACTLY

If the republicans really care about their party, they will wake up to the fact that a consummate mediocrity like Biden beat Trump, despite Trump's rabid illiterate/evangelical base.

dpacrkk
11-20-2020, 05:00 AM
EXACTLY

If the republicans really care about their party, they will wake up to the fact that a consummate mediocrity like Biden beat Trump, despite Trump's rabid illiterate/evangelical base.

I would look at it more cynically: it took picking the most moderate candidate in the field as a compromise to defeat a populist pandering liar by less than 1% in three states (WI, GA, AZ), and less than 2% in two more (PA, MI). Additionally, it seems tens of millions of votes were made based on identity politics instead of campaign platforms. People should not be surprised to see a Trump (or approved puppet) 2024.

Djoser
11-20-2020, 05:38 AM
I would look at it more cynically...People should not be surprised to see a Trump (or approved puppet) 2024.

Yes. Rather like the lemmings charging from Nixon to Carter to Reagan.

miss.a.p1600
11-20-2020, 07:12 AM
I don't know which is worse, the crybaby pitching hissy fits, refusing to lose with the slightest shred of dignity*, and asking for millions more dollars in contributions from his sucker base that he will then use as he pleases, or the fact that millions of Americans still actually believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

Actually, the latter is worse, because some other atavistic, Bible beating demagogue will no doubt replace him.

See now you guys got me posting political shit. ;D


*(Though I am not now and never will be an actual Biden fan)

Your favorite televangelist can replace him .... seems they have the same IQ, same level of wealth acquired from their mindless followers, same denial about covid


https://youtu.be/hsGbk820O_Y

Raziel
11-20-2020, 02:29 PM
Your favorite televangelist can replace him .... seems they have the same IQ, same level of wealth acquired from their mindless followers, same denial about covid


https://youtu.be/hsGbk820O_Y

Yeah, great...

eagle2
11-22-2020, 11:44 PM
We are back to circular argumentation that ultimately leads us nowhere. I could go back at you point by point but to what end ? You have a classic case of TDS ( that's Trump Derangement Syndrome ) and even CDS ( Conservative Derangement Syndrome ). You continually cite facts that you like and ignore others. You confuse spin with logic. No need to argue the point. It's MY OPINION and until the Liberal Thought Police get around to me , I am entitled to it. You blame Trump for every negative thing on Earth and give him no credit for any legitimate achievements. I'll bet you have never even listened to Rush. Why ? Afraid of being converted ? Of finding out that there is a big swath of America ( and even the world ) that thinks differently than you do ? I like Rush. I agree with him about Kamala and YES , that wacko woman who expected employer provided insurance for her birth control from a religious organization opposed to abortion and contraception. She WAS very arrogant and entitled so I don't have a big problem with what Rush said. In any event , if you don't like Rush's program there are two devices to help you : One changes the station and the other turns your radio OFF.


No, I don't have TDS or CDS. My reaction to Trump is typical for any normal person seeing a prominent figure promoting hate and racism, inciting violence, forcibly removing thousands of small children from their parents and placing them in detention centers where they're kept in horrific conditions for weeks or months at at a time, downplaying and lying about a deadly virus, and interfering with efforts to stop it's spread, and discouraging people from wearing masks and mocking those who do, and countless other horrific things I've seen over the past 4 yrs. I don't have CDS either. The only conservatives I have a problem with, are the ones who are hateful, racist, bigoted people, and the ones who are religious extremists who want to turn the US into a theocracy. In many cases they're the same people. I disagree with you on some issues, but I don't dislike you or think you're a bad person.

My views are based on facts and evidence, not what a radio personality has to say.

The problem with Rush isn't that what he says is offensive, although it is. The problem with Rush is he is very dishonest, and he uses his position to promote hate towards others, specifically liberals and Democrats. He's one of the people most responsible for how divided our country has become. Our country wasn't nearly as divided as we are now, before Rush went on the air. He spews lies and hate towards liberals and Democrats for three hours a day. Rush is such a racist, that when he got a job as a sports commentator on ESPN, a job he always wanted, he was fired after the first or second week for making racist statements. Perhaps you're okay with him calling a young lady a whore because she believes insurance companies should cover contraception, but most people aren't. Rush lost dozens of sponsors after he made those statements. My main problem with him isn't that he's conservative, but that he lies and demonizes those who don't share his views.



The story that Trump called U.S. soldiers "suckers and losers" was totally discredited.


No it wasn't. Four members or former members of his administration corroborated it. Just because one or two people didn't hear him say it, doesn't mean he didn't say it when they weren't with him.



Russia, Russia , Russia ! Their interference was minimal and confined to a few Facebook Ads. The Russians did not change a single vote. Not one vote was taken away from Hillary and/or given to Trump thanks to the Russians. Trump has been tougher on Putin than Obama ever was.

No, they hacked Clinton's and the DNC's emails and passed them on to Wikileaks to publish them on the internet.



Btw, Trump's SISTER never said anything about his SAT's. That was Trump's NIECE while she was trying to sell her book.


His sister told his niece. Trump doesn't know the difference between 'president' and 'precedent', or the difference between 'heel' and 'heal'. He doesn't know how to spell 'honored'. Do you really think he qualified to get into an Ivy League school on his own?



Trump is not going to be forced to leave . He's probably already started packing. He has privately told friends that he is a realist and knows he will have to leave. For now , he is fighting it out in several states because there were some irregularities and he thinks he owes it to his supporters. That has been reported in media outlets that you don't like and would love to do away with. So everybody will think like you lol.

He flew in Republican state legislators from Michigan to try to convince them to have the legislature select electors instead of going by the election results, and he's also tried to do that in PA. In PA, his lawyers tried to convince the judge to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf

With the exception of the 2000 election, where the difference between winning and losing was a few hundreds votes, every presidential candidate accepted the results, and no other president or candidate made baseless claims of fraud and cheating, just because he didn't win.



As for Biden, his problem goes much, much deeper than a stuttering problem. When he is wheeled out of the White House I have every intention of gloating and saying : " I told you so ! ".

Please don't take this as personal, but there have been times when you believed you knew things for certain, that turned out to be very wrong. You made the same dire predictions about Obama, but every year, for 8 years things got better, while you and one other member of the forum consistently predicted thing would get worse. By most measurements, the economy did about the same under Obama as it did under Trump. The main difference is Obama started with a wrecked economy and 9% unemployment. Trump started with a strong economy and 4.5% unemployment. You were both advocating buying gold and shorting stocks. Today the price of gold is approximately the same as it was in 2012. Stocks have more than doubled. You insisted Bernanke's fiscal policies would lead to hyperinflation. Inflation has never exceeded 3%.

As for Biden, I did not vote for him because of any high expectations. I voted for him because I consider Trump a threat to our democracy, and because of his hostility towards certain people because of their race, ethnicity, or religion. Trump has shown disregard for the safety and lives of Americans. I do not trust him and do not want him to be in a position of power.

Eric Stoner
11-23-2020, 09:06 AM
No, I don't have TDS or CDS. My reaction to Trump is typical for any normal person seeing a prominent figure promoting hate and racism, inciting violence, forcibly removing thousands of small children from their parents and placing them in detention centers where they're kept in horrific conditions for weeks or months at at a time, downplaying and lying about a deadly virus, and interfering with efforts to stop it's spread, and discouraging people from wearing masks and mocking those who do, and countless other horrific things I've seen over the past 4 yrs. I don't have CDS either. The only conservatives I have a problem with, are the ones who are hateful, racist, bigoted people, and the ones who are religious extremists who want to turn the US into a theocracy. In many cases they're the same people. I disagree with you on some issues, but I don't dislike you or think you're a bad person.

My views are based on facts and evidence, not what a radio personality has to say.

The problem with Rush isn't that what he says is offensive, although it is. The problem with Rush is he is very dishonest, and he uses his position to promote hate towards others, specifically liberals and Democrats. He's one of the people most responsible for how divided our country has become. Our country wasn't nearly as divided as we are now, before Rush went on the air. He spews lies and hate towards liberals and Democrats for three hours a day. Rush is such a racist, that when he got a job as a sports commentator on ESPN, a job he always wanted, he was fired after the first or second week for making racist statements. Perhaps you're okay with him calling a young lady a whore because she believes insurance companies should cover contraception, but most people aren't. Rush lost dozens of sponsors after he made those statements. My main problem with him isn't that he's conservative, but that he lies and demonizes those who don't share his views.



No it wasn't. Four members or former members of his administration corroborated it. Just because one or two people didn't hear him say it, doesn't mean he didn't say it when they weren't with him.


No, they hacked Clinton's and the DNC's emails and passed them on to Wikileaks to publish them on the internet.



His sister told his niece. Trump doesn't know the difference between 'president' and 'precedent', or the difference between 'heel' and 'heal'. He doesn't know how to spell 'honored'. Do you really think he qualified to get into an Ivy League school on his own?


He flew in Republican state legislators from Michigan to try to convince them to have the legislature select electors instead of going by the election results, and he's also tried to do that in PA. In PA, his lawyers tried to convince the judge to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf

With the exception of the 2000 election, where the difference between winning and losing was a few hundreds votes, every presidential candidate accepted the results, and no other president or candidate made baseless claims of fraud and cheating, just because he didn't win.



Please don't take this as personal, but there have been times when you believed you knew things for certain, that turned out to be very wrong. You made the same dire predictions about Obama, but every year, for 8 years things got better, while you and one other member of the forum consistently predicted thing would get worse. By most measurements, the economy did about the same under Obama as it did under Trump. The main difference is Obama started with a wrecked economy and 9% unemployment. Trump started with a strong economy and 4.5% unemployment. You were both advocating buying gold and shorting stocks. Today the price of gold is approximately the same as it was in 2012. Stocks have more than doubled. You insisted Bernanke's fiscal policies would lead to hyperinflation. Inflation has never exceeded 3%.

As for Biden, I did not vote for him because of any high expectations. I voted for him because I consider Trump a threat to our democracy, and because of his hostility towards certain people because of their race, ethnicity, or religion. Trump has shown disregard for the safety and lives of Americans. I do not trust him and do not want him to be in a position of power.

There are just as many hateful people on the left as there are on the right. Have you listened to the factually delinquent hate spewed by Joy Reid , Don Lemon , Chris Hayes and all over the N.Y. Times ? A publication that after Trump's election OPENLY abandoned any pretense to objectivity . Are you going to tell me that the major networks do not slant their stories ? The Hunter Biden story is just one example.

In many ways , Rush , Newsmax and Epoch Times are just reactions to perceived media bias.

Btw, who decides who is "racist , hateful or bigoted " ? You seem to make such judgements without actually reading or listening to some of the people you attack. I actually was listening to Rush the day he attacked the "Birth Control Babe " ( apologies for forgetting her name ). He made a reasoned argument against her position and did NOT call her a "whore". I also was watching ESPN the day he said that the media was inflating the accomplishments of Donovan McNab and "wanted him to succeed " because he was Black. He lost his gig and then went into rehab. With justice. He was wrong to say it based both on the facts ( McNab went on to lead the Eagles to 3 straight Conference Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl ) and because his race was and ought to have been irrelevant. It made me cringe when he said it and I was glad to see him canned. Just as Imus deserved to get fired for what he said about the Rutgers basketball team.

"Dishonest" is a word you like to throw around when someone ( including me ) takes a position you don't like and relies on sources of which you do not approve. Rush ought to wear it as a badge of honor lol.

What is your source for "4 members of Trump's administration heard him say it ." The facts are quite different. NOBODY has gone on record as having heard Trump say it. NOT one person. That was one of many problems with The Atlantic article. Quite the contrary. Some of Trump's biggest detractors like John Bolton and others have said it was totally untrue.

Julian Assange has repeatedly denied that Russia or Russians were the source for the Hillary and DNC leaks. More likely it was somebody on her campaign or at the DNC.

I don't believe a word of Mary Trump's book and don't understand why you do either. There is so much legit , proven and provable stuff about Trump that there is no need to rely on fabulists and questionable sources. I think the main reason Trump got into Wharton was Fred's money.

Trump is Constitutionally correct and wrong on every other ground and basis. State legislatures can and do select the Electors. Remember when Hillary et.al were telling Electors from states Trump won to vote for her instead of him ? Biden won. Trump lost. Rudy is a clown and Sidney Powell either quit or got fired. Gore fought and did not concede until Mid-December back in 2000. Hillary conceded to Trump BUT some of her followers did try to get enough Electors to vote for her and turn the election . So what ? His lawsuits lack any merit and are being dismissed. More and more Republican "adults" are telling him to give it up and concede. He insists on tarnishing his legacy and enabling lunatics like Giuliani.

As for the economy I have cited facts and figures showing that it did much better under Trump than Obama. If you don't like the numbers please take it up with the Census Bureau ; The BLS ; The Labor Dept. and other government sources. As for my predictions I am willing to stack them up against Krugman et.al who inter alia predicted a stock market crash and a severe recession after Trump was elected. Now Krugman is telling everyone to buy stocks. Since he is consistently wrong , I think I'll do some profit taking on my portfolio.

I don't know if I dislike Biden as much as you hate Trump. I do think he is clearly in the early stages of dementia and the prime function of his staff , aided by their media handmaidens is to protect him from scrutiny. I hope that the media watches him at least half as closely as they did Trump and give Biden's gaffes equal time but I am not holding my breath. I doubt he will serve a full four years and think it likely Harris will finish out his term. Some Dems have even admitted that Biden is just a placeholder and that his primary function was to be a faux moderate device to remove Trump. Mission accomplished.

If you prefer you can root for a miraculous cure for Biden. I am just hoping and praying that he does not leave the country too damaged for the next Republican President to clean up and repair. And if , four years from now , Biden is still President (probably after a lengthy lucid interval lol ) I will be glad for him and the country.

dpacrkk
11-23-2020, 09:18 AM
Hillary never conceded to Trump.

Alternative facts:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khK9fIgoNjQ&ab_channel=ABCNews

Eric Stoner
11-23-2020, 10:56 AM
Thank You. You are right. One more reason why Hannity and some of his guests are horse's asses. I should have known better.

eagle2
11-23-2020, 12:41 PM
There are just as many hateful people on the left as there are on the right. Have you listened to the factually delinquent hate spewed by Joy Reid , Don Lemon , Chris Hayes and all over the N.Y. Times ? A publication that after Trump's election OPENLY abandoned any pretense to objectivity . Are you going to tell me that the major networks do not slant their stories ? The Hunter Biden story is just one example.

Rush compared Obama to hitler. I've never heard anything comparable from the commentators you mentioned above. Hunter Biden wasn't running for President.




Btw, who decides who is "racist , hateful or bigoted " ? You seem to make such judgements without actually reading or listening to some of the people you attack. I actually was listening to Rush the day he attacked the "Birth Control Babe " ( apologies for forgetting her name ). He made a reasoned argument against her position and did NOT call her a "whore".

I'm sorry. He didn't call her a whore. I'm admitting I made a mistake here. He called her a "slut" and a "prostitute", not a "whore". Now you can't say I never admit to mistakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfb9f7yFYgw&feature=youtu.be&t=35



I also was watching ESPN the day he said that the media was inflating the accomplishments of Donovan McNab and "wanted him to succeed " because he was Black. He lost his gig and then went into rehab. With justice. He was wrong to say it based both on the facts ( McNab went on to lead the Eagles to 3 straight Conference Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl ) and because his race was and ought to have been irrelevant. It made me cringe when he said it and I was glad to see him canned. Just as Imus deserved to get fired for what he said about the Rutgers basketball team.

I'm glad we're in agreement here.



"Dishonest" is a word you like to throw around when someone ( including me ) takes a position you don't like and relies on sources of which you do not approve. Rush ought to wear it as a badge of honor lol.


Rush Limbaugh's dishonesty is well documented. This is about 25 years old, but it's a good document showing how dishonest Rush is. He's just as dishonest today as he was then.

https://fair.org/home/the-way-things-arent/



What is your source for "4 members of Trump's administration heard him say it ." The facts are quite different. NOBODY has gone on record as having heard Trump say it. NOT one person. That was one of many problems with The Atlantic article. Quite the contrary. Some of Trump's biggest detractors like John Bolton and others have said it was totally untrue.


From what I remember, the author of the story in The Atlantic said he confirmed with four individuals, these statements. Washington Post and NY Times also confirmed this with their sources in the Administration. I believe Gen. Kelly was with Trump when he made one of those statements at Arlington National Cemetery, and he hasn't denied it. He did say Trump was the most flawed human being he has ever met. The only people I remember denying this were John Bolton and Sarah Sanders. It's possible that Bolton wasn't there when he said it, and Sanders has a long track record of telling lies to protect Trump.



Julian Assange has repeatedly denied that Russia or Russians were the source for the Hillary and DNC leaks. More likely it was somebody on her campaign or at the DNC.

Every one of our intelligence agencies have determined with certainty, that Russia was responsible for hacking Clinton's and the DNC's emails.



I don't believe a word of Mary Trump's book and don't understand why you do either. There is so much legit , proven and provable stuff about Trump that there is no need to rely on fabulists and questionable sources. I think the main reason Trump got into Wharton was Fred's money.

Mary Trump has a tape recording of Trump's sister stating he paid someone to take his SATs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/28/report-upenn-professor-renews-call-for-investigation-into-trumps-alleged-sat-cheating/?sh=67506758256f



Trump is Constitutionally correct and wrong on every other ground and basis. State legislatures can and do select the Electors. Remember when Hillary et.al were telling Electors from states Trump won to vote for her instead of him ? Biden won. Trump lost. Rudy is a clown and Sidney Powell either quit or got fired. Gore fought and did not concede until Mid-December back in 2000. Hillary conceded to Trump BUT some of her followers did try to get enough Electors to vote for her and turn the election . So what ? His lawsuits lack any merit and are being dismissed. More and more Republican "adults" are telling him to give it up and concede. He insists on tarnishing his legacy and enabling lunatics like Giuliani.

Every state has written it into law, that their electoral votes are chosen by the people, not the legislature.



As for the economy I have cited facts and figures showing that it did much better under Trump than Obama. If you don't like the numbers please take it up with the Census Bureau ; The BLS ; The Labor Dept. and other government sources. As for my predictions I am willing to stack them up against Krugman et.al who inter alia predicted a stock market crash and a severe recession after Trump was elected. Now Krugman is telling everyone to buy stocks. Since he is consistently wrong , I think I'll do some profit taking on my portfolio.

There was little difference in economic performance between Obama's last 3 years in office and Trump's first 3. I didn't include 2020, due to the pandemic. GDP grew approximately 2.43% during Obama's last 3 years, and 2.5% during Trump's first 3. Over 8 million jobs were created during Obama's last three years in office. Approximately 6.6 million jobs were created during Trump's first 3 years. GDP growth was slightly higher with Trump, but Obama did much better with job creation. During Obama's first term, stocks increased approximately 58%. During his second term, it was 36%. Stocks are up 38.5% during Trump's term in office. In addition, Obama decreased the deficit by hundred of billions of dollars, while Trump increased it hundreds of billions of dollars (before the pandemic). Also, the trade deficit increased by over $200 billion under Trump. I believe that with Obama, your views are based on his first few years in office, when he took over in the middle of the worst economic and financial crisis in 80 years, rather than his entire eight years.



I don't know if I dislike Biden as much as you hate Trump. I do think he is clearly in the early stages of dementia and the prime function of his staff , aided by their media handmaidens is to protect him from scrutiny. I hope that the media watches him at least half as closely as they did Trump and give Biden's gaffes equal time but I am not holding my breath. I doubt he will serve a full four years and think it likely Harris will finish out his term. Some Dems have even admitted that Biden is just a placeholder and that his primary function was to be a faux moderate device to remove Trump. Mission accomplished.

My views on Trump are not personal, but based on his words and actions, which are intended to harm others.

Raziel
11-23-2020, 06:35 PM
Jesus, you guys. You write so much for free. SMH. I'd never do that. But whatever. Knock yourselves out.

dpacrkk
11-23-2020, 06:39 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/23/937956178/trump-administration-to-begin-biden-transition-protocols

Eric Stoner
11-24-2020, 08:36 AM
Rush compared Obama to hitler. I've never heard anything comparable from the commentators you mentioned above. Hunter Biden wasn't running for President.



I'm sorry. He didn't call her a whore. I'm admitting I made a mistake here. He called her a "slut" and a "prostitute", not a "whore". Now you can't say I never admit to mistakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfb9f7yFYgw&feature=youtu.be&t=35


I'm glad we're in agreement here.



Rush Limbaugh's dishonesty is well documented. This is about 25 years old, but it's a good document showing how dishonest Rush is. He's just as dishonest today as he was then.

https://fair.org/home/the-way-things-arent/



From what I remember, the author of the story in The Atlantic said he confirmed with four individuals, these statements. Washington Post and NY Times also confirmed this with their sources in the Administration. I believe Gen. Kelly was with Trump when he made one of those statements at Arlington National Cemetery, and he hasn't denied it. He did say Trump was the most flawed human being he has ever met. The only people I remember denying this were John Bolton and Sarah Sanders. It's possible that Bolton wasn't there when he said it, and Sanders has a long track record of telling lies to protect Trump.


Every one of our intelligence agencies have determined with certainty, that Russia was responsible for hacking Clinton's and the DNC's emails.


Mary Trump has a tape recording of Trump's sister stating he paid someone to take his SATs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/28/report-upenn-professor-renews-call-for-investigation-into-trumps-alleged-sat-cheating/?sh=67506758256f


Every state has written it into law, that their electoral votes are chosen by the people, not the legislature.


There was little difference in economic performance between Obama's last 3 years in office and Trump's first 3. I didn't include 2020, due to the pandemic. GDP grew approximately 2.43% during Obama's last 3 years, and 2.5% during Trump's first 3. Over 8 million jobs were created during Obama's last three years in office. Approximately 6.6 million jobs were created during Trump's first 3 years. GDP growth was slightly higher with Trump, but Obama did much better with job creation. During Obama's first term, stocks increased approximately 58%. During his second term, it was 36%. Stocks are up 38.5% during Trump's term in office. In addition, Obama decreased the deficit by hundred of billions of dollars, while Trump increased it hundreds of billions of dollars (before the pandemic). Also, the trade deficit increased by over $200 billion under Trump. I believe that with Obama, your views are based on his first few years in office, when he took over in the middle of the worst economic and financial crisis in 80 years, rather than his entire eight years.


My views on Trump are not personal, but based on his words and actions, which are intended to harm others.

OMG ! Are you serious ? Trump has been compared to Hitler many , many times by commentators on the left. Bill Maher has done so many times. ( Btw, I am a big fan of Maher ). So have many others.
After Trump was elected fair and square , many members of Congress like John Lewis , Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris et. al said he was not a "legitimate" President. and spoke and acted accordingly. Look at how the left treated members of Trump's Administration where they couldn't even dine out in peace.
No member of Obama's Administration was EVER treated like that.

As for Hunter Biden , there is evidence that he was a money conduit for his father.

Rush was angry with her arrogance , sense of entitlement and lack of respect for the religious beliefs of others. Normally genteel , Rush was off base with his language.

As I said , I was watching when Rush critiqued McNab and then made a point of listening to him for a few days afterward in response to the shit storm he generated. His response was that the folks at ESPN wanted "edgy" commentary from him to boost ratings. SOP for ESPN. Look at how many times they gave Olberman a job.

Maybe they did and the person most responsible for the hacking was HILLARY ! She insisted on using an unsecured server that the Russians hacked ; the Chinese hacked and so did the Israelis. Podesta got hacked by clicking on an unverified link.

Not one person has gone on record to say that they heard Trump say it. Everyone who was with Trump on his trip to FRANCE denied that he said it. Nobody has said that they were directly told by someone who was THERE that he said it. Considering how pro-military 'Trump has been in both words and deeds it does seem to be highly unlikely.

Where is the guy who took the SAT's for Trump ? What's his name ? The fact remains that Trump got into Wharton , part of the University Of Pennsylvania and graduated on his own. It was like 50 years ago so who cares ? Teddy Kennedy got kicked out of Harvard for paying someone to take a Spanish exam for him. Mary Jo Kopechne drowned because of him. Robert Byrd was a high ranking member of the KKK. John Brennan was a Communist. So what ? Whatever his deficiencies Trump still managed to get elected over Hillary Clinton who delivered one of the most vapid valedictory addresses in collegiate history. "The Politics Of Meaning " ????

The U.S. Constitution which trumps ( no pun intended ) both state constitutions and state legislation says that Electors are to be chosen by state LEGISLATURES. In any event it is irrelevant. Trump LOST. His lawsuits are a joke. Btw, Giuliani is FOS as usual. I listened to him for a bit yesterday on his radio show. He tried to claim that Trump's Pennsylvania lawsuit was dismissed by an "Obama Judge". Matthew Spann was appointed by Obama but he is a conservative Republican member of the Federalist Society.

As for the economic facts and figures , under Trump we had record low unemployment and substantial gains in real wages. Under Obama we had record numbers of people on Food Stamps and Disability. In Obama's second term there were reductions in the size of the deficits. Overall his deficits totaled 5.8 % of GDP. Under Bush The Dumb it was 1.9 %.
Under Bush The Brighter it was 3.8%. Under Reagan it was 4.1 %.

eagle2
11-24-2020, 12:43 PM
OMG ! Are you serious ? Trump has been compared to Hitler many , many times by commentators on the left. Bill Maher has done so many times. ( Btw, I am a big fan of Maher ). So have many others.
After Trump was elected fair and square , many members of Congress like John Lewis , Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris et. al said he was not a "legitimate" President. and spoke and acted accordingly. Look at how the left treated members of Trump's Administration where they couldn't even dine out in peace.
No member of Obama's Administration was EVER treated like that.

There's also no comparison between Obama and Trump. Obama wasn't making racist comments on a regular basis, and inciting violence against certain people because of their ethnicity or race. He didn't have thousands of children forcibly removed from their parents and thrown in cold, overcrowded, lice-infested detention centers for weeks or months at a time. People who helped enable these policies do not deserve to be able to go out to eat in peace. Being asked to leave a restaurant is very minor compared to having your children forcibly removed from you and never seeing them again, which is the case for hundreds of families, thanks to Trump's cruel policies.



As for Hunter Biden , there is evidence that he was a money conduit for his father.

No there isn't. Only conspiracy theories.



Rush was angry with her arrogance , sense of entitlement and lack of respect for the religious beliefs of others. Normally genteel , Rush was off base with his language.

There's nothing that excuses an old man with a radio audience of millions, from calling a young lady a slut and a prostitute on the air.



As I said , I was watching when Rush critiqued McNab and then made a point of listening to him for a few days afterward in response to the shit storm her generated. His response was that the folks at ESPN wanted "edgy" commentary from him to boost ratings. SOP for ESPN. look at how many times they gave Olberman a job.

He was specifically asked to not include any political commentary on the air, which obviously includes racist statements. Rush can't help himself.



Maybe they did and the person most responsible for the hacking was HILLARY ! She insisted on using an unsecured server that the Russians hacked ; the Chinese hacked and so did the Israelis. Podesta got hacked by clicking on an unverified link.

No she wasn't. One has nothing to do with another. The private server she was using, was being used for her government work as SoS, not her campaign. It doesn't matter if he was hacked by clicking on an unverified link. It was still against the law. Why would someone on Clinton's staff send an unverified link to Podesta, to gain access to her email? That is something a professional hacker would do, not some random member of her staff.



Not one person has gone on record to say that they heard Trump say it. Everyone who was with Trump on his trip to FRANCE denied that he said it. Nobody has said that they were directly told by someone who was THERE that he said it. Considering how pro-military 'Trump has been in both words and deeds it does seem to be highly unlikely.

Trump publicly called John McCain, a veteran who made great sacrifices for our country, a loser. What we he think differently of any other member of the military?

Trump is not pro-military. Your views of Trump, and the views of most other Trump supporters, are based on an imaginary figure, who is not the stupid, selfish, thoughtless ignoramus that Trump is. Trump has no concern for anyone but himself and his friends and family. When he spoke to a widow of an army soldier who died in service, he left her in tears, because he didn't even know her name.



Where is the guy who took the SAT's for Trump ? What's his name ? the fact remains that Trump got into Wharton , part of the University Of Pennsylvania and graduated on his own. It was like 50 years ago so who cares ? Teddy Kennedy got kicked out of Harvard for paying someone to take a Spanish exam for him. Mary Jo Kopechne drowned because of him. Robert Byrd was a high ranking member of the KKK. John Brennan was a Communist. So what ? Whatever his deficiencies Trump still managed to get elected over Hillary Clinton who delivered one of the most vapid valedictory addresses in collegiate history. "The Politics Of Meaning " ????

What does any of this have to do with Trump? His sister said he had someone take his SATs for him. There's no reason to believe what she said was untrue. Why would she lie about this to her niece? Again, your views of Trump are based on an imaginary figure, rather than the ignoramus Trump is in real life.



The U.S. Constitution which trumps ( no pun intended ) both state constitutions and state legislation says that Electors are to be chosen by state LEGISLATURES. In any event it is irrelevant. Trump LOST. His lawsuits are a joke. Btw, Giuliani is FOS as usual. I listened to him for a bit yesterday on his radio show. He tried to claim that Trump's Pennsylvania lawsuit was dismissed by an "Obama Judge". Matthew Spann was appointed by Obama but he is a conservative Republican member of the Federalist Society.

and if the state legislatures pass a law that the electoral votes are chosen by the people, then that is how they're chosen.



As for the economic facts and figures , under Trump we had record low unemployment and substantial gains in real wages. Under Obama we had record numbers of people on Food Stamps and Disability. In Obama's second term there were reductions in the size of the deficits. Overall his deficits totaled 5.8 % of GDP. Under Bush The Dumb it was 1.9 %.
Under Bush The Brighter it was 3.8%. Under Reagan it was 4.1 %.

What you're posting is very dishonest. As I said before, you're basing your views of Obama, strictly on his first year or two in office. I will assume it's because you don't know better, and are repeating what you've heard from dishonest sources, rather than you being the one who is dishonest. Please tell me if you understand the difference between the following:

When Obama took office, the deficit was > $1 trillion, the unemployment rate was 9%, the economy was losing 700,000 jobs each month.

When Trump took office, the deficit was approximately $660 billion, the unemployment rate was 4.5%, and more than 2 million jobs were being created annually.

Do you understand the difference between the two? If you don't understand the difference, and believe there was no difference between the state of the economy when Obama took office, and the state of the economy when Trump took office, then it's a waste of time discussing this.