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Eric Stoner
03-16-2021, 08:35 AM
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro-freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
Raziel
03-16-2021, 08:59 AM
I intend to get Vaccinated when it is available to me. I understand why others need it more right now, however. I'll just mask up and distance at the grocery store. Yes, the loneliness is a problem. I can deal with it.
kamiliam
03-16-2021, 09:28 AM
I’ve never gotten a flu shot(never had the flu) and will get the vaccine. The two are not the same.
I just wish my state didn’t consider me and my early 60s mother to be the same risk level. She really needs it more then me to have a full life. That being said if you are qualified to get it don’t wait just because other people are higher risk. The more the better
rickdugan
03-16-2021, 10:48 AM
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
Just because you can't think of a legitimate reason doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that you can't seem to think of one. As someone who has already had a child with a very adverse reaction to a vaccine, I can.
Vaccines are low risk, not zero risk. When parents decide for a child whether to put something in that child's body, they have to weight the risks on both sides of the ledger and make the best informed decision possible. That is not petulance or about autonomy, that is parental responsibility. When someone does the same for himself, it's personal responsibility.
jasmine22
03-16-2021, 11:00 AM
Life after vaccination? Vacation...definetly. Mental relaxation. Have fun. Appreciate life. Travel. And not listening to grown men with aggressive political views argue on stripper forums lol .
Eric Stoner
03-16-2021, 11:23 AM
Just because you can't think of a legitimate reason doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that you can't seem to think of one. As someone who has already had a child with a very adverse reaction to a vaccine, I can.
Vaccines are low risk, not zero risk. When parents decide for a child whether to put something in that child's body, they have to weight the risks on both sides of the ledger and make the best informed decision possible. That is not petulance or about autonomy, that is parental responsibility. When someone does the same for himself, it's personal responsibility.
Easy does it. OK , you came up with food for thought. However I think you will agree that the instances of negative reactions to the vaccines are VERY few and none ( afaik ) proved fatal or even seriously debilitating. Please do NOT cite the doctor in Virginia whose platelets plunged to zero after he was vaccinated. To date, there is zero evidence of any connection to the vaccine. His reaction is one of only two such reports. Neither of which has been proven.
Now compare that to Covid. While rare, young people have gotten seriously ill and even died from it . Then you have them being carriers of the virus.
Btw, there are already reports of people infected with Covid who have recovered faster after being vaccinated. Not unheard of. Same thing often happens with the flu vaccine.
rickdugan
03-16-2021, 11:48 AM
Easy does it. OK , you came up with food for thought. However I think you will agree that the instances of negative reactions to the vaccines are VERY few and none ( afaik ) proved fatal or even seriously debilitating. Please do NOT cite the doctor in /Virginia whose platelets plunged to zero after he was vaccinated. To date, there is zero evidence of any connection to the vaccine. His reaction is one of only two such reports. Neither of which has been proven.
Now compare that to Covid. While rare, young people have gotten seriously ill and even died from it . Then you have them being carriers of the virus.
Btw, there are already reports of people infected with Covid who have recovered faster after being vaccinated. Not unheard of. Same thing often happens with the flu vaccine.
"Easy does it" to you also Eric. Scroll back up and re-read some of your interesting labels for folks who hold a differing viewpoint and you may see why some might get a little annoyed. ;)
As far as the COVID vaccine safety, the jury is far from in on that. There is a lot of roadway to go, including widespread distribution to the larger population and the collection of reporting data, before anyone has a complete handle on that. Meanwhile virtually every on the the super tiny % of children who died from COVID had severe comorbidities, which my kids do not. So when my wife and I include these factors in our ledger calculations, at least for us a "wait and see" approach for our own children is the obvious choice. Every parent of course is certainly free to come to a different conclusion based upon his/her own individual factors.
miss.a.p1600
03-16-2021, 02:20 PM
I am sorry but I cannot think of a legitimate reason NOT to get vaccinated. Assuming of course that the vaccine is available. To me, it ALMOST seems like a petulant , even childish assertion of personal autonomy . Any long time reader of this board knows that I am pro-freedom and anti-coercion. I am not in favor of forcing people to get vaccinated . But I don't see anything wrong with positive encouragement.
Anytime the government recommends to do something there will always be those people who are going to fight tooth n nails to do the opposite
I know some older people who are refusing because they think the vaccines haven’t been thoroughly tested/safe, feel like it’s similar to a flu vaccine and since they don’t get flu vaccines they don’t think it’s necessary for covid vaccine.
as far as safety some people are adamant that they cause autism, or other adverse reactions
Before the pandemic these people i know travelled A LOT. If they continue traveling at that same pace they will definitely expose themselves to coronavirus and since they’re older they will put themselves at greater risk
DeathAndTaxes
03-16-2021, 02:29 PM
Anytime the government recommends to do something there will always be those people who are going to fight tooth n nails to do the opposite
I know some older people who are refusing because they think the vaccines haven’t been thoroughly tested/safe, feel like it’s similar to a flu vaccine and since they don’t get flu vaccines they don’t think it’s necessary for covid vaccine.
as far as safety some people are adamant that they cause autism, or other adverse reactions
Before the pandemic they travelled A LOT. If they continue traveling at that same pace they will definitely expose themselves to coronavirus and since they’re older they will put themselves at greater risk
It's not government, it's us, I went down the rabbit hole of the Cult 45 forums during his reign and the #1 guiding principle of these people is that they hate us, more than they love their own grandparents easily. If we could selectively target them with reverse psychology (the libs don't want you vaccinated!!!) we would achieve almost 95%+ vaccination rate.
jasmine22
03-16-2021, 07:27 PM
Does anyone else have anything positive to say about what to do after vaccination or are we still arguing...?
Nope....the boys are still fighting....
StellaRose
03-16-2021, 07:36 PM
I have already gotten my vaccine and looking forward to visiting family again next week.
eagle2
03-16-2021, 08:03 PM
I probably won't be getting mine until it's available to everyone. I'm greatly looking forward to seeing friends and family, and going to restaurants, bars, movies, and stripclubs.
Eric Stoner
03-30-2021, 11:26 AM
I haven't heard of any one vaccine being safer than the others, so you should go with whichever one is available first. The effects of coronavirus are far worse than anything from any of the vaccines. There's close to 100 million doses given so far, and I haven't heard of any severe reactions. With coronavirus, not only have more than 500,000 Americans died from it, there are many more who had the virus and didn't die, but ended up with severe health problems.
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
kimbe
04-01-2021, 10:50 AM
^^But the risk of getting seriously sick is reduced by something close to 90% I guess.. :)
eagle2
04-01-2021, 11:24 AM
Over 100 million people have been vaccinated, and I have not heard of a single case of someone dying or having severe health complications, caused by the vaccine. Over 1/2 million Americans have died from coronavirus.
eagle2
04-01-2021, 11:42 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
I imagine that being condemned by the President of the United States would only enhance Farrakhan's credibility with his followers.
CFMNH44
04-01-2021, 11:58 AM
I've never gotten a flu shot, but just got my 1st Pfizer, hoping to get back to 'normal', wear khakis, make sales calls...
Funny story - A nurse friend didn't want to risk a sore arm, requested to get hers in the butt. Great idea I thought - Until I realized it was drive-up. Even after explaining that I had been doing yoga stretches to stick my butt out the car window, they said no, LOL
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-01-2021, 01:39 PM
I got my first vaccine on Monday. Woohoo and my second is already scheduled. Currently I'm trying so hard not to go crazy and hit the streets with wreckless abandonment. But I'm gonna play it cool because a hot girl summer is on the horizon. I can just feel it. I need it!
kamiliam
04-01-2021, 02:51 PM
Honestly, I'm afraid to rn..
Read that of a group of 100 vacs, 100% got the virus.
No thank you!
Do you remember anything more about where you saw this? Tried to look it up.
There is a process from studies to calculate effectiveness and is tweaked to reflect what they believe the general rate would be. It does remove some outliers from those numbers like people who got sick but had underlying conditions. Israel who has given out the most doses puts it at 92% based on real life numbers.
there won’t be much more in terms of tweaking the formulation. It is getting more people vaccinated so that it isn’t running around infecting people.
finally will be eligible soon, only to plan a trip to one of the hotbeds of covid. I have my reasons but I definitely want to be fully vaccinated
jack0177057
04-01-2021, 03:49 PM
What do we do about friends and family that refuse to get vaccinated? I have read that vaccinated people may still be carriers. So, unvaccinated people cannot harm us, but, we can harm them. Do we just avoid contact with them in order to protect them? Or, is it enough to wear a mask when you see them. (Some of them probably don't want to wear a mask either.)
Vyanka
04-01-2021, 08:22 PM
Great, so @ risk for getting it tho?
To me this end doesn't justify the means..
Rather wait & make sure they work out the kinks
To each his own tho.
It just protects ppl from getting it moderate to severe. This is gonna give us herd immunity like the flu. ;)
miss.a.p1600
04-01-2021, 08:28 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if Biden , Fauci , Birx et. al. took a break from blaming Trump and went after Louis Farrakhan and others who are telling the Black Community NOT to get vaccinated ; that vaccines are part of a plot to Depopulate the Earth. I am NOT making this up. I have one of his brochures saying exactly that. I literally found it in the gutter in front of my office. Talk about product placement.
Louis Farrakhan?!?
If course there will always be some conspiracy theorist out there but I think those people make up a very small minority
Eric Stoner
04-02-2021, 08:02 AM
On a comparative basis, i.e. compared to other ethnic groups, the black community is getting vaccinated at a lower rate. If it is because of less access to the vaccine then that ought to be improved on by Biden , Harris , Fauci et.al. If it is fear of the vaccine then that ought to be addressed with more education and PSA's. I understand Eagle's point that ignoring Farrakhan is usually the best course but why waste time blaming Trump ?
Vyanka
04-02-2021, 06:28 PM
My BFF is telling me that the new variant in Brazil is killing YOUNG HEALTHY ppl in their 20s. A 28 yr old girl she knows that lives over there got liver damage and one lung got ravaged.
Looks like that variant made it to Michigan...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/03/30/covid-brazil-variant-concerns/amp/
I'm not comfortable getting near anyone until I get my 2nd shot. Fuck that. Better to play it safe.
More on that variant...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/covid-19-variant-rages-in-brazil-posing-global-risk-11616845889
moneybags
04-02-2021, 08:31 PM
^^^I have serious concerns about the mutations. We have to develop yearly flu vaccines, so most likely we will have yearly coronavirus vaccines to deal with the variants.
I’m not listening to the government that says “go back to normal. Everything is fine.” I’m going to continue to masking up and social distancing until it’s no longer community spread.
I can’t believe people buy into the propaganda the politicians and their “news sources”are selling to the people.
This pandemic has exposed the evils of the world for everyone to see.
DeathAndTaxes
04-03-2021, 07:38 AM
have serious concerns about the mutations. We have to develop yearly flu vaccines, so most likely we will have yearly coronavirus vaccines to deal with the variants.
Yes, this is the worst case scenario, the absolute failure and incompetence of Bolsanaro, Trump, and Boris, has allowed the virus to spread to uncontrollable levels, meaning mutations are now on the table and herd immunity is almost impossible, we have two options extreme lockdown, or new vaccines developed faster and faster to combat all variants.
xxxGothBarbie
04-05-2021, 03:50 AM
How long are these vaccinations even good for then? I read the clinical trials were around 3 months?
AndrewGarfield
04-05-2021, 04:29 AM
As I know, you need to be vaccinated once every two months so that the body has antibodies, but the news with the formation of blood clots in vaccinated people begins to frighten me!
DeathAndTaxes
04-05-2021, 07:32 AM
How long are these vaccinations even good for then? I read the clinical trials were around 3 months?
From all the information available and research being carried out there seems to be permanent immunity once you develop the antibodies, there has not been a case of reinfection once the patient was sick, cured, and free from lingering virus cells.
The problem is mutations, the more virus cells there are out there the more likely they are to mutate, and the more likely that mutation is more lethal, contagious, or most worrisome immune to the newly generated antibodies from the vaccine or previous infection.
The UK and South Africa variants while more dangerous are not the biggest worry (although the vaccine efficacy does drop) the big worry is the Brazillian variant, that has shown to reinfect, meaning we are back to square one if this spreads as rapidly.
eagle2
04-05-2021, 12:08 PM
How long are these vaccinations even good for then? I read the clinical trials were around 3 months?
Protection lasts for at least 6 months, likely longer
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-from-covid-19-vaccination-last#Protection-lasts-for-at-least-6-months,-likely-longer
laurielegs
04-05-2021, 02:52 PM
As I know, you need to be vaccinated once every two months so that the body has antibodies, but the news with the formation of blood clots in vaccinated people begins to frighten me!
That's not true at all. Researchers expect immunity to last way longer than that, plus your chances of becoming disabled or dying from Covid is a million times more likely than any side effects from the vaccine. They are so rare it's ridiculously unlikely.
I notice this is your first and only post, lol seriously? You registered here just to post that?
Angela888
04-05-2021, 03:01 PM
Personally I won’t be having the vaccine. It’s too new, it’s not even approved only emergency use. I have major issues with the way goverment has manipulated people into this, saying get your life back with a jab. I won’t be giving into medical tyranny personally but I think it’s an individual’s right to choose. Simply don’t trust them, think they are a bunch of liars.
This virus has a 99% survival rate so I’ll rely on my immune system.
Angela888
04-05-2021, 03:09 PM
From all the information available and research being carried out there seems to be permanent immunity once you develop the antibodies, there has not been a case of reinfection once the patient was sick, cured, and free from lingering virus cells.
The problem is mutations, the more virus cells there are out there the more likely they are to mutate, and the more likely that mutation is more lethal, contagious, or most worrisome immune to the newly generated antibodies from the vaccine or previous infection.
The UK and South Africa variants while more dangerous are not the biggest worry (although the vaccine efficacy does drop) the big worry is the Brazillian variant, that has shown to reinfect, meaning we are back to square one if this spreads as rapidly.
here is an interesting pod cast discussing variants by a doctor https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JlfwWuVrYEo
eagle2
04-05-2021, 04:41 PM
Personally I won’t be having the vaccine. It’s too new, it’s not even approved only emergency use. I have major issues with the way goverment has manipulated people into this, saying get your life back with a jab. I won’t be giving into medical tyranny personally but I think it’s an individual’s right to choose. Simply don’t trust them, think they are a bunch of liars.
This virus has a 99% survival rate so I’ll rely on my immune system.
There's been approximately 31.5 million covid cases in the US, and approximately 569,000 deaths, so the death rate is approximately 1 in 60. Besides, the 569,000 deaths, there are many more people with serious health problems caused by the virus. The virus has caused blood clots and damage to kidneys. I've read of one case, of a man having to get his foot amputated. There have been approximately 165 million doses of the vaccine given, and approximately zero deaths. Your odds are a lot better getting vaccinated. It's not even close. I was given my first shot a week ago, and I don't feel any differently now, than I did before I got it.
moneybags
04-05-2021, 06:47 PM
^^^i agree. My friend is disabled because of covid. She was healthy and no underlying health conditions-other than being a single mom living below the poverty line.
I really want people to get the vaccine because I care, and I also respect their process.
eagle2
04-05-2021, 08:22 PM
I think that it's especially important for dancers who are planning to go back to work in crowded clubs, to get vaccinated.
Angela888
04-06-2021, 12:36 AM
There's been approximately 31.5 million covid cases in the US, and approximately 569,000 deaths, so the death rate is approximately 1 in 60. Besides, the 569,000 deaths, there are many more people with serious health problems caused by the virus. The virus has caused blood clots and damage to kidneys. I've read of one case, of a man having to get his foot amputated. There have been approximately 165 million doses of the vaccine given, and approximately zero deaths. Your odds are a lot better getting vaccinated. It's not even close. I was given my first shot a week ago, and I don't feel any differently now, than I did before I got it.
Well I can only go on my instincts and from what I can gather, the test wasn’t even meant to be used for such a thing. The creator of the test said so himself. People are having covid death out on their death certs even when they died of something else. Goverment mass budgets for marketing this virus too, you don’t need to pay for mass marketing when something is really, truthfully dangerous. I also have an issue with the ingredients in this vaccine, actually I have an issue with it all.
Glad you are ok after your shot. Thanks for your response. Much love x
sandraallen
04-06-2021, 12:56 AM
Not vaccinated and go back to my daily routine - work.
ClaireFroberg
04-06-2021, 01:05 AM
I've been thinking also what will happen after the vaccination. Cuz I don't think all people in the word will be vaccinated. So the most logical things is, maybe it take's years before things back to normal. I miss the old normal. :-[
Angela888
04-06-2021, 01:18 AM
I've been thinking also what will happen after the vaccination. Cuz I don't think all people in the word will be vaccinated. So the most logical things is, maybe it take's years before things back to normal. I miss the old normal. :-[
i miss it too, had to close my entire business cos it was a nightmare! Vaccine doesn’t stop people getting it, nor passing it on, just makes the symptoms less... yet another reason I won’t have it. I’ve really had to remain positive throughout the whole thing. It’s been so tough for many people, mainly in the lower economic communities where poor diets mean a lack of vit D. From what I’ve read Vit D can stop you getting it entirely, so my vaccine is an excellent diet and vitamins.
I’m not anti vax but I have a real issue with the mass manipulation through the media.
I hope everyone does what they feel is right for them and is healthy, happy and feels better for their decision xx
ClaireFroberg
04-06-2021, 01:29 AM
i miss it too, had to close my entire business cos it was a nightmare! Vaccine doesn’t stop people getting it, nor passing it on, just makes the symptoms less... yet another reason I won’t have it. I’ve really had to remain positive throughout the whole thing. It’s been so tough for many people, mainly in the lower economic communities where poor diets mean a lack of vit D. From what I’ve read Vit D can stop you getting it entirely, so my vaccine is an excellent diet and vitamins.
I’m not anti vax but I have a real issue with the mass manipulation through the media.
I hope everyone does what they feel is right for them and is healthy, happy and feels better for their decision xx
Yeah, I truly understand you. Cuz me also I lost my job because of it. But still had to remain positive. :)
Angela888
04-06-2021, 01:34 AM
Yeah, I truly understand you. Cuz me also I lost my job because of it. But still had to remain positive. :)
sorry to hear that. There has been a mass wealth transfer throughout all this which no one really talks about. Luckily for me, I’m the kind of person who will be ok no matter what but my god was it tough going mentally. Really feel for many who have lost it all and have to re build business they have worked their entire lives for.
DeathAndTaxes
04-06-2021, 07:03 AM
i miss it too, had to close my entire business cos it was a nightmare! Vaccine doesn’t stop people getting it, nor passing it on, just makes the symptoms less... yet another reason I won’t have it. I’ve really had to remain positive throughout the whole thing. It’s been so tough for many people, mainly in the lower economic communities where poor diets mean a lack of vit D. From what I’ve read Vit D can stop you getting it entirely, so my vaccine is an excellent diet and vitamins.
I’m not anti vax but I have a real issue with the mass manipulation through the media.
I hope everyone does what they feel is right for them and is healthy, happy and feels better for their decision xx
No, the vaccine prevents infection, the problem is that science moves slowly and people are desperate for answers now now now and when they don't get it they assume the worst, that it doesn't.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
Science is not a dirty politician that tells you what you want to hear, it is an empirical, logical, and experimental discipline that tells you reality as is observed.
The problem is not the vaccine, it is the Brazillian variant, and possible future variants. With zero viruses out there there is a 0 chance of mutation.
Angela888
04-06-2021, 07:24 AM
No, the vaccine prevents infection, the problem is that science moves slowly and people are desperate for answers now now now and when they don't get it they assume the worst, that it doesn't.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
Science is not a dirty politician that tells you what you want to hear, it is an empirical, logical, and experimental discipline that tells you reality as is observed.
The problem is not the vaccine, it is the Brazillian variant, and possible future variants. With zero viruses out there there is a 0 chance of mutation.
this is not what I have read. I don’t know if you may find this useful . There’s so much info out there, it’s hard to know what’s right or wrong! Anyway see what you think https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JlfwWuVrYEo
DeathAndTaxes
04-06-2021, 07:35 AM
this is not what I have read. I don’t know if you may find this useful . There’s so much info out there, it’s hard to know what’s right or wrong! Anyway see what you think https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JlfwWuVrYEo
The study was released a week ago, trust me it is real, it is fact.
If it is published at a reputable journal and performed by the CDC it is as good as anything in the world.
As for the podcast can you give me a timestamp of the relevant bits? it is almost 2 hours long.
Angela888
04-06-2021, 07:48 AM
The study was released a week ago, trust me it is real, it is fact.
If it is published at a reputable journal and performed by the CDC it is as good as anything in the world.
As for the podcast can you give me a timestamp of the relevant bits? it is almost 2 hours long.
yeah I know it’s long but it’s really worth listening too, maybe while you doing chores etc . I’d be interested to know your thoughts xx
Eric Stoner
04-06-2021, 08:02 AM
I think that it's especially important for dancers who are planning to go back to work in crowded clubs, to get vaccinated.
Excellent point Eagle !
Angela888
04-06-2021, 08:06 AM
The study was released a week ago, trust me it is real, it is fact.
If it is published at a reputable journal and performed by the CDC it is as good as anything in the world.
As for the podcast can you give me a timestamp of the relevant bits? it is almost 2 hours long.
CDC is funded by bill gates who I don’t trust at all, given his efforts abroad that have made many impoverished peoples lives horrendous. X
DeathAndTaxes
04-06-2021, 08:29 AM
CDC is funded by bill gates who I don’t trust at all, given his efforts abroad that have made many impoverished peoples lives horrendous. X
Well this is completely wrong Bill Gates has done more for the global poor than any other philanthropist out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation#Global_developme nt_division
The CDC is a federal agency, its like saying you don't trust NPR because they take donations, they are still controlled by the government.
In short this is getting too conspiratorial for a science thread.
Angela888
04-06-2021, 08:36 AM
Well this is completely wrong Bill Gates has done more for the global poor than any other philanthropist out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation#Global_developme nt_division
The CDC is a federal agency, its like saying you don't trust NPR because they take donations, they are still controlled by the government.
In short this is getting too conspiratorial for a science thread.
Unfortunately health has been mixed with politics, that’s not me but that’s a fact. I don’t agree with the likes of bill gates, who is a clever man but not a doctor being involved in vaccines. Not conspiracy, research yourself the damage his foundation has done abroad . Obviously you won’t find this on anything he funds such as the BBC , media outlets and deffo not his wiki page x