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eagle2
02-20-2021, 11:47 PM
Has Rose McGowen come forth yet? I'm not keeping up with it really, just curious. I need to read his book I keep hearing about.

She says her relationship with MM was not like that, but she stands with his accusers.

whirlerz
02-27-2021, 11:28 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/marilyn-manson-faces-new-abuse-accusations-from-former-partner-who-says-she-is-speaking-to-the-fbi

SnuffleUffleGrass
02-27-2021, 12:12 PM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/marilyn-manson-faces-new-abuse-accusations-from-former-partner-who-says-she-is-speaking-to-the-fbi

The FBI has investigated dumber things than the self-perpetuated negative drama of a rock star so .....good, I guess. IMO Brian Warner is just a gross, tragically sick person.

Luci Fer
02-27-2021, 01:09 PM
Jeez this is a hard one. I am a huge MM fan and this hit me hard when it came out. I try to separate the art from the artist, I guess. If we have to cancel rock stars for doing questionable things there is not a whole lot of music left to listen to, unfortunately. Most creative people are troubled souls.

I completely believe that he did questionable things. I mean, its MM, he is not exactly normal. He has a history with mental illness, drugs and alcohol. That is NO EXCUSE, but we all know that drugs and alcohol dont exactly bring out the best in people, especially if they are mentally ill. However, I think if the other party (I will refer to the women that accused him this way because right now, its not only ERW) surely think he is guilty, it would be smarter of them to shut up on social media right now and go to the authorities. What they are doing right now is hurting their case. Claiming that your boyfriend buying an airplane ticket for you, is human trafficking, is weird. ERW claiming she was underage in photos, while she later claimed she meant 'underage to drink' and not in fact younger than 18. I think that is a really deceiving way to put things.

I hope the justice system will do their work and the truth will come out. Whatever that may be.

Totally agree with this!
I find it suspicious that so many women started to tell such stories lately. About many celebrities. About Johnny Depp, for example. It made me so sad. You may stone me,but I think it is very easy to use ambiguous things, memories and statements from the past nowadays. I think these women did not make these confessions right away only because it would hurt their careers that time and wouldn't make a certain effect it can make today. And I think it is very appropriate and sometimes very useful to do it now.
Same case with Harvey Weinstein. Some actress blamed him, when it was the right time to do it , and the rest women started to confess about his abuse too. He might be an asshole, but the movies he produced are awesome.
I don't want to defend anyone or blame anyone for no reason, but it makes me anxious a bit because the people who made good things in the industry are blamed. I hope they won't accuse James Cameron or Tim Burton, or..Stephen King in something lol or my paranoia will be overwhelming. ;(
So basically now there are overall nice actors and actresses, nice directors and shitty movies and music.
These women remind me the Catwoman in Burton's movie, when she attacked Batman, but when he punched back, she exclaimed: ''I am a woman, how dare you!'' And then, when he was all confused she hit him.
Women are double edged swords to me. This is just perfect time for such allegations for them IMHO.
+ A lot of money for lawyers, too. Maybe ERW will gain some more media attention from this scandal. (in fact, she already did!) She might not need money, but media attention is always good, especially they sympathize her.

Luci Fer
02-27-2021, 01:14 PM
I don't jump to immediately believing anyone who claims to have been abused, honestly. I'm sure that makes me a traitor to women in some people's eyes. I wouldn't believe a man immediately either though. It's also tough sometimes to filter out your own confirmation bias where you want to believe whichever party you're a fan of :/

This!100000%

Selina M
02-27-2021, 06:06 PM
I definitely find it interesting that Rose McGowan and Dita both said their LTRs with him were not abusive at all.

I suppose he could have only selectively abused women who tolerated it? Maybe he viewed those two as more his equals or something, they wouldn't put up with bullshit, etc.

Or perhaps Evan and the other accusers are... I don't want to say "full of it" but personally I think a lot of their accusations read like they did some things they regret when they were younger and then some psychologist convinced them they were abused.

Esme Bianco especially strikes me as ridiculous - she's trying to claim she was trafficked because he bought her a fucking plane ticket? When she was 23 years old? Come on now. There are even texts where it's VERY clear that the whipping and whatnot she talks about was consensual.

I think he's definitely a weirdo and may well be an asshole and a 'player' (for lack of better word), but if he's going to go down for what sounds like essentially just leading these women on/emotional manipulation... Then they might as well start investigating a lot of bad exes I know of... That's just garden variety asshattery and at some point it is your personal responsibility to walk away.

Raziel
02-27-2021, 11:31 PM
Selena M, if it was indeed done, it could have been that he was deep in substance abuse. That changes you.

EastCoastDancer01
02-28-2021, 02:10 PM
I definitely find it interesting that Rose McGowan and Dita both said their LTRs with him were not abusive at all.

I suppose he could have only selectively abused women who tolerated it? Maybe he viewed those two as more his equals or something, they wouldn't put up with bullshit, etc.

Or perhaps Evan and the other accusers are... I don't want to say "full of it" but personally I think a lot of their accusations read like they did some things they regret when they were younger and then some psychologist convinced them they were abused.

Esme Bianco especially strikes me as ridiculous - she's trying to claim she was trafficked because he bought her a fucking plane ticket? When she was 23 years old? Come on now. There are even texts where it's VERY clear that the whipping and whatnot she talks about was consensual.

I think he's definitely a weirdo and may well be an asshole and a 'player' (for lack of better word), but if he's going to go down for what sounds like essentially just leading these women on/emotional manipulation... Then they might as well start investigating a lot of bad exes I know of... That's just garden variety asshattery and at some point it is your personal responsibility to walk away.

He definitely viewed Rose and Dita as more his "equals" because they are closer in age and both very successful, established women. I feel like Rose especially is very well connected in Hollywood and he knew he wouldn't be able to get away with mistreating her. Plus, he started becoming more of a household name during the time he was with her, so it would have been bad for his career to be exposed as an abuser just as he was starting to get super famous. He may have even used her a little for more clout.

I agree with you about Esme Blanco! She was the only victim who I couldn't feel as much sympathy for. Not trying to victim blame or sound heartless, but she left her man to be in a relationship with him and willingly traveled to another country so that she could be with him. She is an adult woman who acted on her own desires, she was not trafficked! I think she wanted to have some fun with MM and when she saw how crazy he really was, she began to regret it. But she was free to end the relationship and press charges if she was being severely abused....but she continued to stay with him for a few more years. It doesn't justify his abuse, but she definitely could have made better choices. And if she went along with it for a few years, it makes her seem less credible.

SnuffleUffleGrass
02-28-2021, 03:15 PM
IMO Trent Reznor's description of Marilyn Manson as a "star fucker" is accurate.

He just sounds like a deeply mentally ill person.

EastCoastDancer01
02-28-2021, 04:02 PM
IMO Trent Reznor's description of Marilyn Manson as a "star fucker" is accurate.

He just sounds like a deeply mentally ill person.

I agree! He called ERW 158 times when they broke up and cut himself each time he did; to guilt her for leaving him. Reading this made me suspect that he has undiagnosed BPD but there’s a strong possibility of Narcisism as well. Yikes!

SnuffleUffleGrass
03-02-2021, 05:00 PM
I agree! He called ERW 158 times when they broke up and cut himself each time he did; to guilt her for leaving him. Reading this made me suspect that he has undiagnosed BPD but there’s a strong possibility of Narcisism as well. Yikes!

Oh he's definitely a BPD case.

Trust me.........

whirlerz
11-15-2021, 07:37 PM
Reeeally disgusting :

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marilyn-manson-10-key-takeaways-010053711.html

WendiStarr
11-18-2021, 10:57 AM
He's very mentally disturbed and needs to be in a prison for disgusting individuals like him.

whirlerz
11-18-2021, 11:00 AM
He's very mentally disturbed and needs to be in a prison for disgusting individuals like him.

In a facility for the ^ criminally insane

eagle2
11-30-2021, 12:16 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/marilyn-manson-home-raided-police/

eagle2
12-01-2021, 09:24 PM
Hopefully this will eventually lead to some time in prison.

OmegaWest
12-02-2021, 11:09 AM
A mental health facility for certain, a shame as I did like his music

whirlerz
12-23-2021, 07:34 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/complete-timeline-sexual-physical-assault-214900493.html

whirlerz
03-18-2022, 06:19 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/evan-rachel-wood-says-marilyn-manson-tortured-her-with-a-nazi-whip-when-she-tried-to-leave-in-phoenix-rising?source=articles&via=rss

Genoveve
03-19-2022, 10:49 AM
I 100% believe ERW.

I take this back.

Sam38g
03-19-2022, 03:30 PM
As power & well grow, so can the corruption. Hollywood keeps deranged & dangerous men making them money & don't care about the victims. They have teams of people to discredit & ruin those who go public with abuse, it has always been this way. Look at how long Cosby got away with his crimes.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Funny thing, you never here things like this about women in power like Cher, Dolly Parton, Meryl Streep and such. Never hear or read about them raping, beating & harming others like you do the men in that industry. Which is why I believe women over men. MEN LIE and men in power definitely lie.

And since they get away with it on a smaller scale, not unusual to up the ante as time goes on. It is rare for a man to rape just one person, they generally have lots of victims. Problem is even if you go to the police, most of the time nothing is done. Which is another out for the predators to say they have never been convicted of a crime, knowing that just 1% of rapist go to prison.

Rape & abuse is the easiest crime for men to get away with. Abusers don't abuse everyone, they do it to people they know they can get away with it.

DeathAndTaxes
03-19-2022, 04:41 PM
I take this back.

Why? What changed?

Genoveve
03-19-2022, 05:48 PM
Why? What changed?

Marilyn Manson is suing her over her claims and it is not looking good for her. How ERW was able to get all these women to come forward was by contacting them about how there was an FBI investigation against him, how he was dangerous and that if they weren't a part of the investigation they couldn't be protected, and scripts were apparently provided to them so they would know what to say to investigators. The major problem though is that there was no investigation and the document she showed to these witnesses to prove it was fake. She forged an actual FBI agent's info on it too.

A lot of other stuff is not adding up as well. Apparently a video where Manson sexually abuses a minor keeps getting thrown around as proof of his debauchery but the woman in the video has come forward and said that she was 22 in it, was hired for it and everything was scripted and consensual. One of the accusers has been largely discredited because she said Manson whipped her till she was bloody after shooting a music video, but when she showed pictures of the wounds they were apparently obviously ropemarks from the restraints that were used on her as part of the filming for the video. Also she(I think it's the same chick) said her back was scarred from the whipping but photos of her back from after this alleged incident show zero scarring. And I can't remember if it's the same woman, I assume so, but she or whoever was caught using pics of someone else's wounds from pinterest as 'proof' of her abuse.

Also on the faked FBI document; apparently ERW was also using it in her legal arguments against her father's child as proof of why she needed full custody of their son or something, because she was so scared of Manson. I've seen people point out too that even though she said Manson threatened to harm her son and she is terrified of what he might do to him, she showed her son in her documentary a lot(I haven't seen it). I do think that if you are fearing for the life of your child that it's very strange to show them on TV period, let alone in a documentary about the person who's threatening him.

There's a bunch more stuff in the lawsuit and way more inconsistencies that people have been pointing out, too many for me to list plus I haven't been following it all closely enough to give accurate info. But I find it hard to believe he doesn't have the facts to back up his lawsuit.

I've also seen more than a few people who knew Manson, worked with him, lived with him...etc. back when he was dating ERW coming to his defense and saying that her current narrative does not add up at all with what they saw and what they witnessed from the both of them back then. I guess some might assume they're all being paid/have some sort of ulterior motive for defending him, but so far I have found the ones I've listened to to be credible and I find it hard to believe that he happens to have all these really good liars around willing to lie for $$$. Especially in this day and age when it's so much more advantageous I think to come out on the side of victims, I'm also under the impression that a lot of these people aren't connected to him currently.

So yeah it's getting thick and I'm very curious to see how this plays out, but I definitely feel the need to retract my '100% trust' of ERW.

DeathAndTaxes
03-19-2022, 05:57 PM
Marilyn Manson is suing her over her claims and it is not looking good for her. How ERW was able to get all these women to come forward was by contacting them about how there was an FBI investigation against him, how he was dangerous and that if they weren't a part of the investigation they couldn't be protected, and scripts were apparently provided to them so they would know what to say to investigators. The major problem though is that there was no investigation and the document she showed to these witnesses to prove it was fake. She forged an actual FBI agent's info on it too.

A lot of other stuff is not adding up as well. Apparently a video where Manson sexually abuses a minor keeps getting thrown around as proof of his debauchery but the woman in the video has come forward and said that she was 22 in it, was hired for it and everything was scripted and consensual. One of the accusers has been largely discredited because she said Manson whipped her till she was bloody after shooting a music video, but when she showed pictures of the wounds they were apparently obviously ropemarks from the restraints that were used on her as part of the filming for the video. Also she(I think it's the same chick) said her back was scarred from the whipping but photos of her back from after this alleged incident show zero scarring. And I can't remember if it's the same woman, I assume so, but she or whoever was caught using pics of someone else's wounds from pinterest as 'proof' of her abuse.

Also on the faked FBI document; apparently ERW was also using it in her legal arguments against her father's child as proof of why she needed full custody of their son or something, because she was so scared of Manson. I've seen people point out too that even though she said Manson threatened to harm her son and she is terrified of what he might do to him, she showed her son in her documentary a lot(I haven't seen it). I do think that if you are fearing for the life of your child that it's very strange to show them on TV period, let alone in a documentary about the person who's threatening him.

There's a bunch more stuff in the lawsuit and way more inconsistencies that people have been pointing out, too many for me to list plus I haven't been following it all closely enough to give accurate info. But I find it hard to believe he doesn't have the facts to back up his lawsuit.

I've also seen more than a few people who knew Manson, worked with him, lived with him...etc. back when he was dating ERW coming to his defense and saying that her current narrative does not add up at all with what they saw and what they witnessed from the both of them back then. I guess some might assume they're all being paid/have some sort of ulterior motive for defending him, but so far I have found the ones I've listened to to be credible and I find it hard to believe that he happens to have all these really good liars around willing to lie for $$$. Especially in this day and age when it's so much more advantageous I think to come out on the side of victims, I'm also under the impression that a lot of these people aren't connected to him currently.

So yeah it's getting thick and I'm very curious to see how this plays out, but I definitely feel the need to retract my '100% trust' of ERW.

Thanks for the recap, I have not followed this at all but I am always open to changing my mind as well, hard evidence trumps all.

Selina M
03-20-2022, 11:51 AM
I was skeptical to begin with but now I think ERW is full of shit especially since MM has copies of the forged FBI document.

Here's the paperwork filed by his lawyers, including the evidence, if anyone is curious: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LloIWMJrefKSGZ_pfErcaOggmVIYckrd/view

The claims keep coming from her too, which gives me the vibe of how someone who is lying will make up waaaaaaay too many details and stories. She just put out that documentary, which claims that he raped her during filming of a music video, and is now trying to get said video taken down from YouTube? So ALL the people on set for that just shut up and allowed you to be raped? Really?

Now she's got some story circulating that she had an abortion and he demanded she make him dinner. Puh-lease. He's rich as hell, he's definitely got a chef and maids, no girlfriend is cooking dinner.

Genoveve
03-20-2022, 12:19 PM
She just put out that documentary, which claims that he raped her during filming of a music video, and is now trying to get said video taken down from YouTube? So ALL the people on set for that just shut up and allowed you to be raped? Really?

People have come forward from the set and said that her story is untrue.

Also in regards to her using the fake FBI papers in her custody issues with her ex husband, court papers reveal that he didn't even believe her claims about Manson threatening her son and said that she made it up for leverage. Apparently she also alluded to her ex-husband raping her and abusing her but seems to have let that go for some reason.

Genoveve
03-20-2022, 02:59 PM
With the GoT accuser it's not looking good either. This is a woman that met Manson through Dita that he had a flirtatious relationship with(like sending nudes and stuff) after his divorce. At some point, I believe while she was married and living in the UK, Manson asked her to come film as the love interest in his music video; he told her it was going to look like a self-shot cellphone video and that it was going to be full of sadomasochism. She says she agreed to it and when she got to his place to film she was unnerved that there was no crew there, although she never says that he said there would be. She said they then shot for 4 days(with a cellphone) and that it was torture, but she also admitted to enjoying showing off her wounds from the torture on social media. She later ended up moving in with him and dating him for a few months. She also said that during the torture he used something called a purple wand on her which I guess does give shocks but it's an over-the-counter sex toy. She said to that she wasn't fed or allowed to sleep throughout the 4 days, but she also says they were basically doing a ton of coke. She doesn't say that he refused her food when she asked or that he forced the cocaine on her or that she had never done it before, so it sounds like they were participating in a coke bender together. She also says she never told him to stop doing anything at any point and that they never actually engaged in any sexual acts(although maybe she is saying that to cover her ass because she was married?).

Then when they were dating they did all kinds of BDSM stuff including him cutting her, but she says she genuinely enjoyed it at the time, never asked him to stop, and only later realized it was abuse and now has PTSD. She even shared an old text where she told him how much it turned her on that her scars reminded her of him or something. This is all very odd because if she genuinely enjoyed their BDSM activities at the time and never told him or wanted him to stop, how was he abusing her? She might look back and realize that their relationship was unhealthy or that her liking him and liking BDSM was unhealthy, but that doesn't equal him being an abuser.

Also she said that he was grooming her in the time between meeting her and filming the video, but that's kind of a weird claim since she was in her mid 20s, married and living on another continent. She also said that, because he promised to get her a role in a film of his when she moved in with him that never ended up coming to fruition, she was sex trafficked. I'm not sure how their consensual relationship equals sex trafficking.

Selina M
03-20-2022, 07:46 PM
Yeah, Esme Bianco was the initial one I thought was full of it because she was trying to claim she was 'trafficked'. She was a grown ass woman who chose to get on a plane. Just because he paid for it does not make it 'trafficking'.

I don't know what MM does in his spare time & I know he's said some awful stuff in his book and interviews. It may or may not be true, given his use of shock value for pretty much his whole career. I am totally open to the possibility that he is into some hardcore sexual shit, could be an asshole when drunk/on drugs, etc. But I just really do not buy these particular allegations, too many holes in the stories + now actual evidence that it's fabricated.

Genoveve
03-21-2022, 03:33 PM
I don't know what MM does in his spare time & I know he's said some awful stuff in his book and interviews. It may or may not be true, given his use of shock value for pretty much his whole career. I am totally open to the possibility that he is into some hardcore sexual shit, could be an asshole when drunk/on drugs, etc.

I agree, the most believable thing in her story for me was when she said he chased her with an ax because she 'put bugs in the walls,' because it sounds like he likes days long-hardcore drug binges and such activities can definitely lead to paranoia and hallucinations.

As far as his personality though, when the allegations first came out I was shocked because from what I had seen of his personality I would have never thought that he was capable of such things. I got the impression from him that he was intelligent and thoughtful and that with women he was actually kind of awkward and a pushover; I felt like a woman that he was attracted to would be able to wipe the floor with him and that his sexual deviancy was an overcompensation for this. But at the end of the day he's not a celebrity that I have closely followed so I figured I could be totally wrong, plus I was under the impression that he had serious drug issues and I know drugs can change people so I believed ERW.

Plus I think I and most people believe/d ERW in an Occam's razor type of way; like which is more likely: That Manson, a guy who has pushed this dark, demonic, disturbing, violent, sexually deviant image throughout his entire career, is actually a sicko? Or that ERW, this highly acclaimed, successful(I think? I don't follow her but that's my impression), intelligent, philanthropic actress is actually a secret psycho? The latter requires a bigger leap IMO.

eagle2
03-21-2022, 10:22 PM
As far as his personality though, when the allegations first came out I was shocked because from what I had seen of his personality I would have never thought that he was capable of such things. I got the impression from him that he was intelligent and thoughtful and that with women he was actually kind of awkward and a pushover;

I got the same impression too. I never followed him closely, but when I saw him on talk shows or interviews he came across as intelligent and coherent.

carmen_b
03-22-2022, 08:15 AM
I think I believe most of the women.

I had no idea about so much in this thread. :/

I dance to dark music often so I think I'm going to remove his from my dance lists.

Selina M
03-23-2022, 10:58 AM
^ Manson's team has proof that most of the women were coached on what to say... I will not be removing Manson from any of my Spotify playlists or anything unless someone has definitive proof that he abused any of these women.

This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies. Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.

carmen_b
03-23-2022, 11:09 AM
^ Hmmmm may be something to that.
Of course he is into BDSM games ect. and those can sometimes be imperfect.
I hate that in situations like this it's hard to tell who is honest.

DeathAndTaxes
03-23-2022, 11:38 AM
This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies. Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.

I think there was mutual abuse, but Amber Heard was more of the physical abuse instigator


AH: That's the difference between me and you, you're a f**king baby.

JD: Because you start physical fights?

AH: You are such a baby! Grow the f**k up Johnny!

JD: Because you start physical fights?

AH: I did start a physical fight.

JD: Yeah, you did. So I had to get the f**k out of there.

AH: Yes, you did, so you did the right thing. The big thing, the, you know what? You are admirable. Every single time, what, what's your excuse, when there's not a physical fight, what's your excuse then? You're still being admirable, right, by running away? And you can sit here and call me names, but you get called a name and what do you do – 'that's the last insult!' You're a baby. You're a hypocrite. You don't do anything that you actually do. You expect from people what you can't give them. If they do something a taste of it to you, you f**king lose it. But yet you dish it out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947733/Amber-Heard-admits-hitting-ex-husband-Johnny-Depp-pelting-pots-pans-tape.html

As someone that is always trying to descalate any relationship situation this is nightmare fuel. Even at 6'3 I have to just leave the room if she is instigating violence.

Genoveve
03-23-2022, 01:08 PM
And I can't remember if it's the same woman, I assume so, but she or whoever was caught using pics of someone else's wounds from pinterest as 'proof' of her abuse.

I was wrong, that was a different accuser. So that's two different accusers using misleading photographic 'proof.'


^ Manson's team has proof that most of the women were coached on what to say... I will not be removing Manson from any of my Spotify playlists or anything unless someone has definitive proof that he abused any of these women.

Not only that they were coached on what to say, but that there was a whole recuitment process when the women have been trying to make it sound like they all decided to speak up organically. An ex-lover of Manson's has spoken about how Illma Gore, ERW's co-conspirator, reached out to her twice on behalf of ERW in the time before the allegations started coming out(once in 2020 and once in 2021) trying to get her to hop on zoom calls with all the other women discussing their Manson abuse. The same woman has also spoken about how the ex-assistant, who I forget what she's suing Manson for, is purposely falsley using her as one of his victims in her lawsuit.


This is all eerily similar to Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. I said it before but I find it suspect that Amber & ERW are buddies.

And that Johnny and Manson are close friends. They even have matching tattoos and Manson is Johnny's daughter's godfather.


Depp got crucified despite it coming out that Amber was full of it. Totally unfair.

Extremely unfair.

Djoser
03-23-2022, 03:50 PM
Ha I remember trying to avoid playing Guns 'n Roses back when I started as a DJ (and they were WAY more popular than they are now), because Axel was a notorious woman beater. That didn't last long. The dancers I worked with at the time didn't want to hear about that shit, they wanted to hear G'nR, so I didn't fight it.

Then along came Chris Brown. If anything, he's MORE popular now than before he beat the living shit out of Rihanna. I'd still like 3-4 minutes alone with the little prick, but I play his shit when the women ask me to.

Manson is a mixed bag for me. I absolutely love some of his stuff, and especially some of the more industrial type remixes. But that goddamned song Sweet Dreams is vile. If he came into my dreams screaming like that, I'd hack him up with a fucking ax. The other thing about Manson--it's impossible to start a Manson song and leave the booth, no matter how pressing the business might be. It's almost always too low (volume), then when he starts in with the fucking screaming everyone in the club gets bent that the DJ is playing the music so loud. Rinse and repeat, 5-7 times per song.

As for whether he was truly abusive, I haven't followed all the various accounts. Sounds like he might have pushed the boundaries too far.

Selina M
03-25-2022, 08:22 PM
I think there was mutual abuse, but Amber Heard was more of the physical abuse instigator



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947733/Amber-Heard-admits-hitting-ex-husband-Johnny-Depp-pelting-pots-pans-tape.html

As someone that is always trying to descalate any relationship situation this is nightmare fuel. Even at 6'3 I have to just leave the room if she is instigating violence.

From what I've read, she was kind of the instigator for a long time and then the minute he retaliated, even verbally, she cried victim. That's like kicking a dog until it bites you and then calling it aggressive.

DeathAndTaxes
03-25-2022, 11:25 PM
^ Yeah it is very common actually, I think I must attract women with strong ideas on gender roles, but it is certainly rooted in the concept that big men should be man enough to take it. Honestly I could take it easily my pain threshold is really high, but the problem is always potential escalation with thrown objects, so that is why I leave.

Obviously it is a huge red flag, nobody is hot enough to ever have to deal with that kind of bullshit. I am fairly confident I can always keep my cool and not get instigated, but I cannot control the internet, that is honestly what makes me worry that so many people don't listen to reason or capable of changing their mind due to hard evidence.

SnuffleUffleGrass
03-26-2022, 03:06 AM
Ha I remember trying to avoid playing Guns 'n Roses back when I started as a DJ (and they were WAY more popular than they are now), because Axel was a notorious woman beater. That didn't last long. The dancers I worked with at the time didn't want to hear about that shit, they wanted to hear G'nR, so I didn't fight it.

Then along came Chris Brown. If anything, he's MORE popular now than before he beat the living shit out of Rihanna. I'd still like 3-4 minutes alone with the little prick, but I play his shit when the women ask me to.

Manson is a mixed bag for me. I absolutely love some of his stuff, and especially some of the more industrial type remixes. But that goddamned song Sweet Dreams is vile. If he came into my dreams screaming like that, I'd hack him up with a fucking ax. The other thing about Manson--it's impossible to start a Manson song and leave the booth, no matter how pressing the business might be. It's almost always too low (volume), then when he starts in with the fucking screaming everyone in the club gets bent that the DJ is playing the music so loud. Rinse and repeat, 5-7 times per song.

As for whether he was truly abusive, I haven't followed all the various accounts. Sounds like he might have pushed the boundaries too far.

My honest take on Marilyn Manson, seeing as an old friend worked for him- it was an open secret he is a hard to deal with type of person.

I totally see him abusing women he dated. Sorry.

For comparison there's a bit of scandal regarding Tool using Alex Grey's artwork which is almost funny compared to MM allegedly kidnapping and raping his female "friends." You'll have to hit up the Googles for the Alex Grey scandal, I'm not posting it on here.

//We live in a sick, sad world.

techqueen
03-28-2022, 04:27 PM
Personally I don't believe her. I believe she dated him but I don't believe her account of what transpired between them. I also don't believe he's 100% innocent either. I mean only a crazy person would look at Manson, listen to his lyrics and say yup that's a good upstanding human. He's repulsive. As an abuse survivor and someone that has been around victims in her past life, I know that we often don't make the best decisions and those decisions usually leads to us being manipulated, abused, taken advantage of, used..etc. That alone, knowing we could have chosen better can leave one stuck in shame for a very long time so I totally understand why an abuse victim would feel like they can't speak up, tell the whole truth or leave the relationship. In 6th grade my best friend lied about being raped by two football players, it was the talk of the town of the entire city. She later admitted to me and several others that it never happened and she just wanted attention. That experience totally warped my view of things like this. I don't believe in taking people's word for it because people lie for all sorts of reasons. It's happened all over the media all over the world. And it's unfortunate because it takes away from REAL victims of abuse.

Djoser
03-29-2022, 01:49 AM
My honest take on Marilyn Manson, seeing as an old friend worked for him- it was an open secret he is a hard to deal with type of person.

I totally see him abusing women he dated. Sorry.

For comparison there's a bit of scandal regarding Tool using Alex Grey's artwork which is almost funny compared to MM allegedly kidnapping and raping his female "friends." You'll have to hit up the Googles for the Alex Grey scandal, I'm not posting it on here.

//We live in a sick, sad world.

Just like with certain politicians from both parties, where there's smoke--as in multiple reports of sexual or physical assault or criminal cases, regardless of whether charges are dropped if there's several--there's a fire.