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Raziel
04-25-2021, 08:39 PM
No, I just understood that I stepped a bit out of line (again) and didn't want to keep doing it. I'm a guest, here.

TheBrownFox
04-25-2021, 08:43 PM
Hold up...100.1 ain't quite a low-grade fever (I'm getting conflicting information). Lmao. My bad.

eagle2
04-25-2021, 09:09 PM
I like how you added that tidbit of info to the conversation, and worded your post to imply that I would side with the unvaccinated staff who are working with the elderly/most vulnerable. Nice try.....

If you're not going to get the COVID vaccine, don't stay at a job where you're in direct contact with the elderly/most vulnerable on a daily basis. Lots of work from home jobs these days.

So...back to this nursing home in KY...did the nursing home make it mandatory to get the vaccine or not? Half the staff refused and were able to still keep their jobs? Or were they terminated...quit?

And this surprises me, actually...if they were able to refuse and still keep their jobs. My mom works in a nursing home, and it's MANDATORY for the staff to get the vaccine...and she got hers. She told me that some employees refused, but I have no idea if they quit...were terminated...or if they're still working there? But now I'm curious, so I just sent her a text asking her.

Unfortunately it wasn't mandated at this nursing home. According to the article, trying to convince staff to be immunized was a “day-to-day struggle.” Here's the article:

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article250862594.html

I'm glad you agree vaccines should be mandatory for nursing home staff. Even if you don't work at a nursing home, there's no guarantee that you won't come in close contact with someone who is at risk for covid in the supermarket or somewhere else.

I'm glad you're getting the vaccine. One or two members of this forum who caught the virus described their experience, and it doesn't sound pleasant. Here's one:

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?222458-NYC-Could-Lose-More-Than-Half-Its-Strip-Clubs&p=3214282&viewfull=1#post3214282

Even if you're not old and don't currently have any medical conditions, the virus can still cause serious health problems.

TheBrownFox
04-25-2021, 09:24 PM
Unfortunately it wasn't mandated at this nursing home. According to the article, trying to convince staff to be immunized was a “day-to-day struggle.” Here's the article:

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article250862594.html


I'm glad you're getting the vaccine. One or two members of this forum who caught the virus described their experience, and it doesn't sound pleasant. Here's one:

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?222458-NYC-Could-Lose-More-Than-Half-Its-Strip-Clubs&p=3214282&viewfull=1#post3214282


I got the first dose of Pfizer on Sunday. I was messing with this forehead thermometer just now (A little while earlier it was saying 100.1). I took it again just now, and it said 79-something. I was like wait...wtf? Then I realized I forgot that I had put the damn protective cap back on it. Lmfao! Now it's saying my temperature is 99.8.

I have a phobia of throwing up, so with the second Pfizer that's in three weeks I'm gonna have saltine crackers...ginger ale...and those Pepto Bismol chewables handy.

Luci Fer
04-25-2021, 09:50 PM
I like how you added that tidbit of info to the conversation, and worded your post to imply that I would side with the unvaccinated staff who are working with the elderly/most vulnerable. Nice try.....

If you're not going to get the COVID vaccine, don't stay at a job where you're in direct contact with the elderly/most vulnerable on a daily basis. Lots of work from home jobs these days.

So...back to this nursing home in KY...did the nursing home make it mandatory to get the vaccine or not? Half the staff refused and were able to still keep their jobs? Or were they terminated...quit?

And this surprises me, actually...if they were able to refuse and still keep their jobs. My mom works in a nursing home, and it's MANDATORY for the staff to get the vaccine...and she got hers. She told me that some employees refused, but I have no idea if they quit...were terminated...or if they're still working there? But now I'm curious, so I just sent her a text asking her.

My doc (stomatologist) told me she got covid, then went through quarantine, then got vaccinated. I haven't asked her if it was mandatory for them all in their clinic, but I will.:)

TheBrownFox
04-25-2021, 10:01 PM
My doc (stomatologist) told me she got covid, then went through quarantine, then got vaccinated. I haven't asked her if it was mandatory for them all in their clinic, but I will.:)


Okay. :) My mom will probably respond to my question (about what happened to the staff at her job who refused the vaccine) in the morning. I'm sure she's asleep right now. She's gotta be up super early in the morning.

rickdugan
04-26-2021, 06:01 AM
Over 50% of adults have received at least one dose, and the vaccine is not available to anyone under 16. The vaccine has only been made available to all adults a few days ago, so I expect we'll at least have a lot more than 55% of adults vaccinated by fall.

Eagle, I said 55% of the total population. We are at 40% now. Keep in mind Fauci and others are still floating the absurd notion that we need 70-85% of the total population to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity, which would by necessity include children.

Given the side effects that some adults are experiencing, I very much doubt that these are going to be approved for young children anytime soon. And even if they are, many parents are going to be very hesitant.

Even among adults, the eager 50% have received it and now demand has dropped dramatically. The PSA tv ads are already rolling. Even the no appointment drive through vaccination sites are quickly becoming ghost towns. Counties here in FL are now turning vaccine away due to lack of demand.

So I will hold the line at less than 55% by Fall. We now need to find a more realistic way of managing this moving forward.

If I remember, I'll come back in September and see who was right. :)

miss.a.p1600
04-26-2021, 06:11 AM
Unfortunately it wasn't mandated at this nursing home. According to the article, trying to convince staff to be immunized was a “day-to-day struggle.” Here's the article:

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article250862594.html

I'm glad you agree vaccines should be mandatory for nursing home staff. Even if you don't work at a nursing home, there's no guarantee that you won't come in close contact with someone who is at risk for covid in the supermarket or somewhere else.

I'm glad you're getting the vaccine. One or two members of this forum who caught the virus described their experience, and it doesn't sound pleasant. Here's one:

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?222458-NYC-Could-Lose-More-Than-Half-Its-Strip-Clubs&p=3214282&viewfull=1#post3214282

Even if you're not old and don't currently have any medical conditions, the virus can still cause serious health problems.

This is very true.

ive said this before but you all need to get your financial affairs in order for example getting life insurance now especially if you have dependents/spouse/fav charities/etc because if you catch COVID-19......good luck getting life insurance

many companies are making people wait or flat out refusing to insure people who have had covid because it’s too risky due to the fact the long term health effects can be serious and are not quite known

rickdugan
04-26-2021, 06:37 AM
The hyperventilating types on social media who keep howling about their risks and trying to brow beat others into getting it are just looking kinda' silly now. We are all going to make our own informed decisions based upon our preferences and risk tolerances.

I 100% support anyone who wants to get the vaccine. I even urged my wife to get it (which she did) because she is in a higher risk group. But we won't be giving it to our children anytime soon, if ever. First because they aren't at serious risk anyway even if they get it (and it's possible they already have) and, second, because the vaccine laid my wife out for 36 hours with fever, fatigue, tightening of the chest and pain in her back. Again, personal calculus. We are definitely happy that she got it because of her other risks, but we don't like the math when considering it for the little ones.

We are not going to reach herd immunity through vaccinations. Let me repeat...we are not going to reach herd immunity through vaccinations. See what I already posted about demand starting to fall of a cliff with adults. :)

So the sooner we can accept this and allow the melodrama to die down, the sooner we can all start looking at all of this more rationally.

eagle2
04-26-2021, 12:20 PM
The hyperventilating types on social media who keep howling about their risks and trying to brow beat others into getting it are just looking kinda' silly now. We are all going to make our own informed decisions based upon our preferences and risk tolerances.


No, adults who choose not to get the vaccine will not be making an informed decision. They will be making an uninformed decision.

rickdugan
04-26-2021, 12:30 PM
No, adults who choose not to get the vaccine will not be making an informed decision. They will be making an uninformed decision.

Interesting. I'm not trying to be insulting eagle, but that came across as rather arrogant. Are you really convinced that you hold the only valid view on what the right decision is for everyone? :O

If a healthy 25 year old decides that he/she doesn't want to put another biologic in his/her body for something that frankly isn't especially dangerous to that young adult anyway, you don't believe that it's a rational decision?

If a mother had some fairly strong side effects from the vaccine that led her to decide not to vaccinate her children (once it is available for kids), reasonably balancing (in her view) the relatively low risks of COVID itself to her healthy kids vs. the potential side effects of the vaccine, you believe that your judgment is sounder than hers?

Again, interesting.

CFMNH44
04-26-2021, 12:34 PM
Oh, make no mistake, I do hate getting stuck. No doubt about it. I just know it's what's good for me so I just grit my teeth and do it.

The lady doing my 1st insisted that I relax, so it wouldn't hurt. She was right. Hard to overcome the natural tendency to tighten up. Still was slightly sore the next day.

kamiliam
04-26-2021, 01:29 PM
Interesting. I'm not trying to be insulting eagle, but that came across as rather arrogant. Are you really convinced that you hold the only valid view on what the right decision is for everyone? :O

If a healthy 25 year old decides that he/she doesn't want to put another biologic in his/her body for something that frankly isn't especially dangerous to that young adult anyway, you don't believe that it's a rational decision?

If a mother had some fairly strong side effects from the vaccine that led her to decide not to vaccinate her children (once it is available for kids), reasonably balancing (in her view) the relatively low risks of COVID itself to her healthy kids vs. the potential side effects of the vaccine, you believe that your judgment is sounder than hers?

Again, interesting.


there is absolutely nothing to the point of a mother having side effects choosing not to vaccinate their child unless there is another hereditary condition at play. The children are individuals and the reaction varies. How perplexing, children are not copies of their parents.
And what do you consider side effects? some sluggishness, stomach issues, flu like symptoms? Like after every vaccine? You know how babies get sleepy and cranky after their shots? Really the end of the world? I have an actual allergy that could have lead to a pretty bad reaction, it didn’t but that is a side effect. I really truly hope you never have to experience what deadly covid is like, temporary discomfort is not a match

this is so entitled to deny modern medicine while you can see the true effects of lack of vaccine in India and elsewhere in the global south.

eagle2
04-26-2021, 01:44 PM
Interesting. I'm not trying to be insulting eagle, but that came across as rather arrogant. Are you really convinced that you hold the only valid view on what the right decision is for everyone? :O


You said this about those who advocate all adults getting the shot:

The hyperventilating types on social media who keep howling about their risks and trying to brow beat others into getting it are just looking kinda' silly now.

That came across as insulting to me.

If you strictly go by the figures, where over 200 million doses have been given, with zero deaths attributed to the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and one death attributed to the J & J vaccine; while close to 600,000 people have died from covid, then it does make sense for everyone to get vaccinated, who is eligible. More people have died from aspirin than from the covid vaccines.

Most, or all of those who are refusing to get vaccinated, do not have a scientific background, do not have a good understanding of how the vaccine was developed or how safe it is, and do not have a good understanding of the risk they face from covid. I've read of at least a few cases of people who refused to take the vaccine, catching the virus and dying from it. Those people clearly were not capable of deciding what was best for themselves. If they had just gone through getting stuck two times, they most likely would be alive today.



If a healthy 25 year old decides that he/she doesn't want to put another biologic in his/her body for something that frankly isn't especially dangerous to that young adult anyway, you don't believe that it's a rational decision?


The healthy 25 year old doesn't know how he will be affected by the virus, especially with it mutating into newer variants. We're starting to see more and more young people being hospitalized for covid.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/health/b117-covid-variant-young-patients/index.html

In addition, it's not just about protecting the individual, but everyone else too. I read that the main cause of the big surge in hospitalizations and deaths we had over the winter, was caused by young adults who were living with their parents, catching the virus, and spreading it to their parents at home. There is also the possibility that if we continue to have large numbers of people catching the virus, that it can mutate into more deadly and contagious variants, as well as ones where the vaccine isn't as effective.



If a mother had some fairly strong side effects from the vaccine that led her to decide not to vaccinate her children (once it is available for kids), reasonably balancing (in her view) the relatively low risks of COVID itself to her healthy kids vs. the potential side effects of the vaccine, you believe that your judgment is sounder than hers?

Again, interesting.

I can definitely understand a mother not wanting her child or children to be one of the first to get the vaccine, but if after 15 or 20 million children have been given the vaccine, and if there have been zero deaths and zero hospitalizations, then I think it would be a poor decision to not get vaccinated. If we do see that children are dying or are ending up with serious health problems, then I do think it is reasonable for parents to not get their children vaccinated. We're already seeing problems where parents believe they know better than doctors and scientists, and aren't getting their children vaccinated for measles, mumps, and whooping cough; and we're seeing outbreaks of these diseases, after having zero cases of them for years.

Just because someone feels miserable after getting the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean his or her life or health is threatened. I felt like hell for around 24 hours after getting vaccinated, but I'd do it again, knowing what the alternatives are. Everyone I know of who has been given the vaccine feels the same way.

Raziel
04-26-2021, 01:58 PM
The lady doing my 1st insisted that I relax, so it wouldn't hurt. She was right. Hard to overcome the natural tendency to tighten up. Still was slightly sore the next day.

I don't tighten up, I just let them do it. I hate it, but I've been stuck enough times I should have 10,000 holes in me. And I didn't feel shit the next day. I suppose everyone is different.

rickdugan
04-26-2021, 02:17 PM
Eagle, are you one of those people hyperventilating on social media? Otherwise I'm not sure why that comment was especially insulting for you. :)

But the rest of that diatribe was equal parts speculative and chilling. Do you really believe that nobody has died in part due to the vaccine? 3,486 vaccinated individuals have already died and while the CDC has purportedly analyzed each instance and determined that the vaccine was not a contributing factor, I draw small comfort in that given that this is the same CDC that is treating almost every death of a COVID positive person as a COVID-related death. There is a lot of agenda driven interpretation being applied on both sides of the equation, at federal and state levels.

The simple fact is that young people are at virtually no risk from this - the relative few who died almost all had underlying medical conditions. So if a mother who experiences strong side effects from the vaccine is concerned about giving it to her healthy child who doesn't really need it anyway, that's a very understandable position. It's certainly the position that I'm taking with my healthy children, even as I urged my higher risk wife to get it for her own protection (which she did).

As far as your comment regarding deciding for others whether they should get the shot, that mentality is absurdly arrogant. When a government tries to do it, it's the beginning of tyranny. If someone decides not to get the shot and he dies, then he dies. He did it on his own terms. This notion that you are more informed than he is utter nonsense. He had all of the same information at hand that you did and likely sat through just as many PSAs. He just took his chances and he got unlucky. That falls under the category of "shit happens."

Right now the adoption rate in the 25-40 age group is extremely low. Well duh. They know that COVID is not especially risky to them and, hence, do not want the vaccine. Anyone who thought it was going to be otherwise was absurdly naïve IMHO. I predicted months ago that we would be at this point sooner rather than later - just sayin. See post #34 of the thread below and 6 months later here were are having this exact debate. ;)

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?228992-Scientists-and-medical-professionals-increasingly-oppose-lockdowns/page2&highlight=panacea

We have a vaccine for everyone who wants it. I suppose that some can sit on here (and I guess other sites) and tilt at windmills for the next several months in consternation over the lack of widespread vaccine adoption among younger people, but that's not going to change the reality. At some point, we're going to need to live with the reality that those who want it can get protected and those that do not are taking their own chances. Basically what we've been doing forever during each flu season, which also results in 10s of thousands of deaths each year.

kamiliam
04-26-2021, 02:48 PM
Eagle, are you one of those people hyperventilating on social media? Otherwise I'm not sure why that comment was especially insulting for you. :)

But the rest of that diatribe was equal parts speculative and chilling. Do you really believe that nobody has died in part due to the vaccine? 3,486 vaccinated individuals have already died and while the CDC has purportedly analyzed each instance and determined that the vaccine was not a contributing factor, I draw small comfort in that given that this is the same CDC that is treating almost every death of a COVID positive person as a COVID-related death. There is a lot of agenda driven interpretation being applied on both sides of the equation, at federal and state levels.


“But even if the narratives these hubs string together are weak and not supported by extant research on vaccine risks, some evidence suggests seeing these sorts of stories repeated ad nauseam may turn otherwise open people away from vaccines. This is a problem, as experts warn that skeptics, especially in far-right strongholds are holding us back from herd immunity.”

and in regards to that number

“It’s also incredibly easy to poke holes in this big, flashy figure. Anyone can file a report, to the system, which opens it to secondhand or hearsay, repetitious, or even clearly spurious accounts of adverse reactions. (In the past, pro-vaccine advocates have successfully filed reports that a vaccine turned a man into The Hulk and another gave a baby Wonder Woman powers to prove this point.) Health-care providers to report any death they are aware of that occurs soon after a patient receives a vaccine, which at times translates into reports of patently unrelated deaths”

I would urge everyone to read this piece to see how fake figures are created https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-warped-world-of-covid-vaccine-death-hunters

rickdugan
04-26-2021, 03:06 PM
Right. It couldn't be that people are collecting their own information, applying their own analysis to the situation and coming up with their own conclusions. It's all about bad messaging. Because of course if they just understood thing as clearly as some on here do, they'd know that there is only one inescapable option. ;)

Like those silly parents who don't want to give their kids a rushed to market biologic with potential side effects and no long-term track record for something that isn't dangerous to their kids anyway. How unreasonable. If they had any decency, they'd put aside their primary concern - which of course is their kids' well-being - and focus on the greater good. Sheesh.

Then there is the overwhelming % of those 25 to 40 year olds who are not taking it because they're obviously being misled. Clearly they must belong to the "right wingers are us" coalition. After all, it couldn't possibly be because they have been paying attention to the mortality statistics and simply concluded that they don't need it. Nope, obviously we have to attribute that to bad messaging, clearly inferior intellect and, of course, a selfish lack of concern for the broader community. :)

Yup, bad messaging must be the cause of all of this resistance. I am now a believer. ;D

eagle2
04-26-2021, 10:18 PM
Employers are starting to require employees to get vaccinated.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-that-job-offer-a-covid-19-vaccine-is-now-required-11619438580

rickdugan
04-27-2021, 03:49 AM
Employers are starting to require employees to get vaccinated.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-that-job-offer-a-covid-19-vaccine-is-now-required-11619438580

A very tiny percentage at this point. There is also a collection of high profile private universities requiring it of their returning students.

Whether any of this becomes widespread remains to be seen. I suspect that there are just too many legalities to tackle for most large employers to jump into those waters, including employment laws that have to be tackled state by state, but time will tell. For public universities, the big legal question has been whether they (as an arm of the state government) can mandate a vaccine that only has provisional "emergency use" approval by the FDA.

Indeed, one of those high profile private universities is requiring it for returning students, but not for aging professors and administrative employees. It sounds ass backwards from a common sense standpoint, but the school no doubt determined that it was easier, from a legal standpoint, to mandate vaccines for voluntary participation than for its employees.

At least one of those employers in the WSJ article is requiring it for new hires, but not for existing employees. Again, HR legalities in some states limit employers from setting a new condition of employment that did not previously exist and other laws limit employers' ability to ask health related questions. It's a real minefield.

Angela888
04-27-2021, 05:43 AM
I won’t be getting the vaccine for personal reasons but I’m dead against forcing people to have it. It’s not had enough clinical trials yet in my mind. It’s a personal choice, if you wanna get it, get it. No one has a right to tell you what to put in your own body, no one! I get people are scared, I get it but forcing people is tyranny x
If only there was a vaccine to end cruelty and lack of compassion x



A very tiny percentage at this point. There is also a collection of high profile private universities requiring it of their returning students.

Whether any of this becomes widespread remains to be seen. I suspect that there are just too many legalities to tackle for most large employers to jump into those waters, including employment laws that have to be tackled state by state, but time will tell. For public universities, the big legal question has been whether they (as an arm of the state government) can mandate a vaccine that only has provisional "emergency use" approval by the FDA.

Indeed, one of those high profile private universities is requiring it for returning students, but not for aging professors and administrative employees. It sounds ass backwards from a common sense standpoint, but the school no doubt determined that it was easier, from a legal standpoint, to mandate vaccines for voluntary participation than for its employees.

At least one of those employers in the WSJ article is requiring it for new hires, but not for existing employees. Again, HR legalities in some states limit employers from setting a new condition of employment that did not previously exist and other laws limit employers' ability to ask health related questions. It's a real minefield.

Eric Stoner
04-27-2021, 10:21 AM
Rick , we agree about so many things and are in substantial agreement over this whole Covid thing ( more or less ) but , But , BUT as far as vaccinations go I think as many people as possible ought to get vaccinated. Not at gunpoint or through coercion but through FACT BASED education. The vaccines ARE safe . And as Eagle has ( okay , a bit arrogantly but rather smoothly for him lol ) pointed out, the vaccine benefits everybody. Not just the recipient but those the recipient comes in CLOSE contact with. Particularly family and co-workers. Remember "No shots , No school " ? That was coercive without being tyrannical. The primary purpose was to prevent epidemics. What was wrong with that ? What's wrong with similar type programs for adults ?
I got the Moderna vaccine. After the first shot I had very slight fogginess and sluggishness for a couple hours . After the second the fatigue was more pronounced and lasted several hours. That was it. I know that some people effectively get a mild case of Covid from the shot or more accurately their immune systems have been sensitized and alerted so that the second shot causes a strong immune response. Btw, that is what causes fever. The body fighting an infection. As Eagle pointed out , a grand total of one person is SUSPECTED of dying from the J & J vaccine. Like nobody else got phlebitis or thrombosis ? There is no PROVEN connection between the vaccine and blood clots. Yet. It is similar to what the CDC has been doing with the overall Covid numbers. If you get sick and are Covid positive you were sickened by Covid. If you died , you were killed by Covid. 35 years ago they were doing the same with AIDS. If you were HIV positive and died you died from AIDS. Period. If you went from HIV positive to HIV negative then you were never positive in the first place. Today there is some room for nuance and differentiation. But I digress.

I just got back from Florida. The MAIN reason I went was to experience a few days of common sense and sanity. Everything was open and the restaurants and bars were packed. You were free to walk around without a mask OUTDOORS. No social distancing at all and very little indoors. Even at the Airport. The planes were chock full. I know cuz I was stuck in a middle seat on my trip home ( right behind the chatty family with the baby who cried non-stop for almost 3 hours ! And it wasn't wearing a mask ! Eeeek ! Should I get tested just to be safe ? lol.) Indoors you have to wear one. Fauci wore me out months ago but he and the other nattering nannies have become purveyors of farce. If we have to wear masks after being vaccinated then why get the shot ? When can we go back to normal ? Fauci refuses to say. What is herd immunity ; what percent of the population has to be vaccinated or have the anti-bodies ? Fauci et al keep raising the bar. If every study says that outdoors is safe repeat SAFE , that the virus infects via aerosols not surfaces then why do we have to keep wearing masks anywhere and everywhere ?

I have had two employees come down with Covid. Both recovered fully , quickly and completely. I ASKED everyone else to get vaccinated and about half my folks have done so or have an appointment. We still wear our masks in the common areas of the office. Those with enclosed offices ( like me ) can take it off behind closed doors. All clients and visitors MUST wear a mask. None, NONE have had to be told to put one on. Last year I had the office thoroughly steam cleaned and sanitized every month but stopped this year after the latest report that we do not catch Covid from surfaces. We are all washing our hands a lot more than before. My hands have never been cleaner lol. AND I haven't had a cold since this whole Covid thing started. See ? It pays to wash your hands early and often.

Angela888
04-27-2021, 10:38 AM
Rick , we agree about so many things and are in substantial agreement over this whole Covid thing ( more or less ) but , But , BUT as far as vaccinations go I think as many people as possible ought to get vaccinated. Not at gunpoint or through coercion but through FACT BASED education. The vaccines ARE safe . And as Eagle has ( okay , a bit arrogantly but rather smoothly for him lol ) pointed out, the vaccine benefits everybody. Not just the recipient but those the recipient comes in CLOSE contact with. Particularly family and co-workers.
I got the Moderna vaccine. After the first shot I had very slight fogginess and sluggishness for a couple hours . After the second the fatigue was more pronounced and lasted several hours. That was it. I know that some people effectively get a mild case of Covid from the shot or more accurately their immune systems have been sensitized and alerted so that the second shot causes a strong immune response. Btw, that is what causes fever. The body fighting an infection. As Eagle pointed out , a grand total of one person is SUSPECTED of dying from the J & J vaccine. Like nobody else got phlebitis or thrombosis ? There is no PROVEN connection between the vaccine and blood clots. Yet. It is similar to what the CDC has been doing with the overall Covid numbers. If you get sick and are Covid positive you were sickened by Covid. If you died , you were killed by Covid. 35 years ago they were doing the same with AIDS. If you were HIV positive and died you died from AIDS. Period. If you went from HIV positive to HIV negative then you were never positive in the first place. Today there is some room for nuance and differentiation.

I just got back from Florida. The MAIN reason I went was to experience a few days of common sense and sanity. Everything was open and the restaurants and bars were packed. You were free to walk around without a mask OUTDOORS. No social distancing at all and very little indoors. Even at the Airport. The planes were chock full. I know cuz I was stuck in a middle seat on my trip home ( right behind the chatty family with the baby who cried non-stop for almost 3 hours ! And it wasn't wearing a mask ! Eeeek ! Should I get tested just to be safe ? lol.) Indoors you have to wear one. Fauci wore me out months ago but he and the other nattering nannies have become purveyors of farce. If we have to wear masks after being vaccinated then why get the shot ? When can we go back to normal ? Fauci refuses to say. What is herd immunity ; what percent of the population has to be vaccinated or have the anti-bodies ? Fauci et al keep raising the bar. If every study says that outdoors is safe repeat SAFE , that the virus infects via aerosols not surfaces then why do we have to keep wearing masks anywhere and everywhere ?

I have had two employees come down with Covid. I ASKED everyone else to get vaccinated and about half my folks have done so or have an appointment. We still wear our masks in the common areas of the office. Those with enclosed offices ( like me ) can take it off behind closed doors. All clients and visitors MUST wear a mask. None, NONE have had to be told to put one on. Last year I had the office thoroughly steam cleaned and sanitized every month but stopped this year after the latest report that we do not catch Covid from surfaces. We are all washing our hands a lot more than before. My hands have never been cleaner lol.

How do you know they are safe?

Eric Stoner
04-27-2021, 11:14 AM
Because there have been very few reports of adverse reactions other than the enhanced immune response. Which is EXACTLY what these type vaccines are SUPPOSED to do. Like the cholera and other vaccines.

It is true that these vaccines were fast tracked and there is not a years long trail of adverse reports as is typical. A trade off was deliberately made. That said, there are no reported deaths directly attributable to these vaccines. The blood clots have NOT been definitively linked to the J & J vaccine. It could just as likely be unrelated phlebitis or thromboses.

Angela888
04-27-2021, 11:21 AM
Because there have been very few reports of adverse reactions other than the enhanced immune response. Which is EXACTLY what these type vaccines are SUPPOSED to do. Like the cholera and other vaccines.

It is true that these vaccines were fast tracked and there is not a years long trail of adverse reports as is typical. A trade off was deliberately made. That said, there are no reported deaths directly attributable to these vaccines. The blood clots have NOT been definitively linked to the J & J vaccine. It could just as likely be unrelated phlebitis or thromboses.

My friend is a nurse and she has been getting case after case of vaccine related problems.... I don’t know, I just know there’s not enough time gone into these and it seems to me we are guinea pigs for them and that worries me . I’m sure lots will be 100% fine and I hope so but I don’t trust big pharma , sorry xx

Eric Stoner
04-27-2021, 11:25 AM
Are there reactions to the vaccines ? Yes ! None reported as fatal. Almost all transitory. In fact very few, if any reported permanent effects. The good from the vaccines clearly outweighs the bad.

Raziel
04-27-2021, 12:05 PM
Are there reactions to the vaccines ? Yes ! None reported as fatal. Almost all transitory. In fact very few, if any reported permanent effects. The good from the vaccines clearly outweighs the bad.

Well, to be fair, there are reports of Blood Clots from the J&J. I don't know if there's been any deaths, though.

eagle2
04-27-2021, 12:07 PM
Right. It couldn't be that people are collecting their own information, applying their own analysis to the situation and coming up with their own conclusions. It's all about bad messaging. Because of course if they just understood thing as clearly as some on here do, they'd know that there is only one inescapable option. ;)

Like those silly parents who don't want to give their kids a rushed to market biologic with potential side effects and no long-term track record for something that isn't dangerous to their kids anyway. How unreasonable. If they had any decency, they'd put aside their primary concern - which of course is their kids' well-being - and focus on the greater good. Sheesh.

Then there is the overwhelming % of those 25 to 40 year olds who are not taking it because they're obviously being misled. Clearly they must belong to the "right wingers are us" coalition. After all, it couldn't possibly be because they have been paying attention to the mortality statistics and simply concluded that they don't need it. Nope, obviously we have to attribute that to bad messaging, clearly inferior intellect and, of course, a selfish lack of concern for the broader community. :)

Yup, bad messaging must be the cause of all of this resistance. I am now a believer. ;D

I guess it's just a coincidence that countries where the government and its citizens listen to the top scientists and follow their advice, have the lowest death rates from covid, and countries like the US, where a significant number of citizens as well as our previous leader, all think they know better than the top scientists, as to what is best for them, have by far, the highest death rates.

The Dunning-Kruger effect (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dunning-kruger-effect) is the biggest problem we have in this country.

eagle2
04-27-2021, 12:12 PM
I won’t be getting the vaccine for personal reasons but I’m dead against forcing people to have it. It’s not had enough clinical trials yet in my mind. It’s a personal choice, if you wanna get it, get it. No one has a right to tell you what to put in your own body, no one! I get people are scared, I get it but forcing people is tyranny x
If only there was a vaccine to end cruelty and lack of compassion x

The problem is, people who refuse to get the vaccine aren't just endangering their own life, they're endangering the lives of others. I've already mentioned how three residents in a KY nursing home died, because half of the staff there refused to get vaccinated. When people catch covid and become very ill, and have to go to the ICU, everyone else has to pay for it through higher insurance premiums. In addition, if hospitals become overwhelmed with covid patients, it affects the care of people in the hospital for other reasons. The more people who catch covid, the more likely it is, to mutate into new forms.

eagle2
04-27-2021, 12:15 PM
My friend is a nurse and she has been getting case after case of vaccine related problems.... I don’t know, I just know there’s not enough time gone into these and it seems to me we are guinea pigs for them and that worries me . I’m sure lots will be 100% fine and I hope so but I don’t trust big pharma , sorry xx

It's possible that some people aren't aware of the vaccine's side effects. I felt very miserable the day after I got my second shot, and I probably would have gone to the ER if I didn't know this was to be expected.

eagle2
04-27-2021, 12:16 PM
Like those silly parents who don't want to give their kids a rushed to market biologic with potential side effects and no long-term track record for something that isn't dangerous to their kids anyway. How unreasonable. If they had any decency, they'd put aside their primary concern - which of course is their kids' well-being - and focus on the greater good. Sheesh.


The vaccine hasn't even been approved for children yet.

rickdugan
04-27-2021, 12:47 PM
The reality is that we have no long term data whatsoever re: the vaccines and even our short-term data is incomplete at best. It's not unreasonable for some people to take the position that they will wait and see or even decide that they just don't need it, especially young people at no real risk.

Now that doesn't mean that I begrudge the CDC or the current administration from promoting the heck out of it. They have to look at the population as a whole and a vaccinated population is safer from COVID than an unvaccinated population. In essence they are just doing their jobs.

But individuals are instinctively selfish creatures and each person is going to do what he/she thinks is in his/her best interest. For older people and those with other medical issues, that meant getting the vaccine for self-protective reasons since they are at much higher risk from COVID. Many younger healthy people, OTOH, don't want to take a brand new biologic that they just don't believe that they need anyway. Why anyone is surprised by any of this is mind-boggling to me.

And to Eagle's point re: children, I know it's not approved for them yet. But that is inevitably where the next round of breathless hyperbole and brow beating will be coming once it happens.

So here we are. Eventually scared people who have already been vaccinated are going to need to calm down and our leaders are going to have to become more pragmatic. Now that a vaccine is available to anyone who wants it, continuing mask requirements and other restrictions is simply pointless. From here on in, any death from COVID will be from a conscious decision not to take the vaccine, not from a lack of available protection. At some point, we need to embrace the reality and return to normalcy.

Luci Fer
04-27-2021, 10:46 PM
I won’t be getting the vaccine for personal reasons but I’m dead against forcing people to have it. It’s not had enough clinical trials yet in my mind. It’s a personal choice, if you wanna get it, get it. No one has a right to tell you what to put in your own body, no one! I get people are scared, I get it but forcing people is tyranny x
If only there was a vaccine to end cruelty and lack of compassion x

This 100%:) I am for personal choice and reasonable anti covid measures. I sanitize literally everything I get from the outside (after shopping etc lol)
Btw, do they ask you (I refer to all folk in this thread who got vaccinated) to sign any papers before they vaccinate you? Something about you agreeing and responsible for all the consequences after the shot?

Raziel
04-27-2021, 11:04 PM
This 100%:)Btw, do they ask you (I refer to all folk in this thread who got vaccinated) to sign any papers before they vaccinate you? Something about you agreeing and responsible for all the consequences after the shot?

No, they did not. I do have another shot to get, so we'll have to see.

eagle2
04-27-2021, 11:25 PM
This 100%:) I am for personal choice and reasonable anti covid measures. I sanitize literally everything I get from the outside (after shopping etc lol)
Btw, do they ask you (I refer to all folk in this thread who got vaccinated) to sign any papers before they vaccinate you? Something about you agreeing and responsible for all the consequences after the shot?

I didn't sign anything.

Raziel
04-28-2021, 01:46 AM
I had to fill out a patient form, same thing you always have to do when you're conscious and going to the Hospital. But that was it.

TheBrownFox
04-28-2021, 10:03 AM
Btw, do they ask you (I refer to all folk in this thread who got vaccinated) to sign any papers before they vaccinate you? Something about you agreeing and responsible for all the consequences after the shot?

No. My son and I each had to complete a form stating our name, address, number...the name/address/phone number of our primary care physician...and answer a few questions about if we've been in direct contact with someone with COVID, if we feel sick today, etc. There's a section to fill in your medical insurance card info, but the lady at Walgreens said that part really didn't need to be filled out.

Raziel
04-28-2021, 11:51 AM
I didn't even have anything about Covid on mine. It was just a standard Patient form. *shrug*

eagle2
04-28-2021, 01:49 PM
The reality is that we have no long term data whatsoever re: the vaccines and even our short-term data is incomplete at best. It's not unreasonable for some people to take the position that they will wait and see or even decide that they just don't need it, especially young people at no real risk.


We have no long term data for covid either. I don't understand why the same people who are so worried about the long-term effects of the covid vaccine, have no concern at all about the long term effects of covid. Even if you're a young, healthy person who catches the virus and recovers from it, there is no way to know what effects it will have on you 20 - 30 years later. If you've had chicken pox as a child, it puts you at risk for shingles 50 - 60 years later.

rickdugan
04-28-2021, 03:21 PM
We have no long term data for covid either. I don't understand why the same people who are so worried about the long-term effects of the covid vaccine, have no concern at all about the long term effects of covid. Even if you're a young, healthy person who catches the virus and recovers from it, there is no way to know what effects it will have on you 20 - 30 years later. If you've had chicken pox as a child, it puts you at risk for shingles 50 - 60 years later.

True enough, but I think what waters that argument down for some is that we have been living with COVID a lot longer than we've been living with the vaccine. This is especially true of younger people, who at least in Florida have overwhelmingly been the group that lived through infections. Given that most of them had mild symptoms to begin with, feel fine now and, in many cases, didn't even know that they had it until they tested positive, selling them a relative unknown to ward against a long-term COVID boogeyman is probably a tough sell.

So much so that FL vaccine demand has plummeted. Just two weeks ago Florida was administering over 100,000 first dose shots per day. Yesterday that number was 23,000 and is expected to continue to trend downward, despite the fact that we have more supply and vaccination sites than ever. The same trend is being seen in many other parts of the country as well.

So again, while I very much understand the desire to see as much of the population vaccinated as possible, eventually we're going to have to come to terms with reality and adjust our expectations accordingly. People aren't going to be willing to live with these restrictions for much longer now that the vaccine is widely available and the CDC is losing credibility by the day.

kinkydirtybitch
04-28-2021, 11:51 PM
Let’s also not forget the fact that the vaccine is untested experimental gene therapy from which you can not detoxify. It’s the first of its kind and kills people. I understand those who have taken it have a life expectancy of up to 3 years but we will soon see about that.

The scamdemic is another Hegelian dialectic to justify the jab. It’s been planned for years and a real pandemic does not require lies propaganda and a marketing team focussing on fear for compliance.

It’s really just wilful ignorance at this stage and a virus is an inert cellular secretion and causation should not be confused with correlation.

eagle2
04-29-2021, 12:29 AM
Pfizer tested their vaccine on 43,000 people and Moderna tested their vaccine on 30,000 people, before the vaccines were approved for public use. The vaccines do not modify your genetic code.

kinkydirtybitch
04-29-2021, 12:35 AM
Still not FDA approved still in clinical trials. Still classified as a poison according to the Australian government website. It’s still in clinical trials and you lot are the lab rats.

The Center Academy in Florida have warned teachers not to inject themselves with this slop. Several gyms, mine included, refuse entry to those guillible enough to assault their immune systems with the device.

Research more. It’s all on the GovernMent & vax websites, the latter are legally immune from lawsuits. If that doesn’t raise some red flags then you won’t be bothered that life insurance doesn’t cover vax damage due to the experimental nature of the crap.

eagle2
04-29-2021, 02:14 AM
The FDA did approve it. If they didn't, it would not be legally available. The Australian government website does not say it's poison. It says the exact opposite.

From:
https://www.australia.gov.au/covid19vaccines


How do I know that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe?

All vaccines are thoroughly tested for safety before they are approved for use in Australia. This includes careful analysis of clinical trial data, ingredients, chemistry, manufacturing and other factors.


Where are you getting your information from? Please provide links.

Djoser
04-29-2021, 02:41 AM
Ok sorry reports receibved and this is political post so closing temporarily and will try to clean it up.