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moneybags
11-16-2021, 06:33 PM
Can't wait for my booster next week. Side effects I got from being fully vaccinated is I am now prettier and sluttier.

I got my booster. I didn’t have any side effects other than feeling a bit worn down. I ordered take out and rest all day. Glad I got it before the holidays. I went with the same brand as my first two doses. I haven’t gotten sick at work. Not really able to take precautions at work due to social pressure, nor do I think it’s realistic to mask and distance at a strip club without killing the mood or the money. It is what it is. I’m boosted and grateful for it. Im pretty zen about covid. There’s not much I can do about what others are doing or not doing regarding vaccines.

I hope everyone stays healthy this holiday season.

eagle2
11-16-2021, 07:45 PM
That statement couldn't be farther from the truth. We are still in the early stages of understanding, and we are relying on basic studies to assemble an idea of how to reduce infection.

We do not know the origin of the virus. We do not know the exact mechanisms and effects of the virus on humans. We do not know the effectiveness or the duration of efficacy of the vaccines. We do not have a cure for the virus. We do not have a 100% accurate test for the presence of viral antibodies.

We have well founded conjectures about reduction of transference but nothing more than that.

Further, you did not personally undertake or oversee any studies, nor have you personally been called upon to comment on any studies by the medical establishment of any country. You are simply denigrating a Scandinavian country based on what you read in amateur publications in English.

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion, but I hardly think you have the standing to go around declaring judgment on the COVID strategy of any nation other than perhaps your own.

We've known how viruses spread and how to prevent them from spreading for at least century now. There were lockdowns and mask mandates during the influenza pandemic of 1918, just like we have today, and they work today just like they did back then.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

We also know that not taking action will lead to a lot of unnecessary sickness and death.

That's all I have to say on the matter. I'm not going to argue over science that has been known for over 100 years.

Eric Stoner
11-17-2021, 11:31 AM
We've known how viruses spread and how to prevent them from spreading for at least century now. There were lockdowns and mask mandates during the influenza pandemic of 1918, just like we have today, and they work today just like they did back then.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

We also know that not taking action will lead to a lot of unnecessary sickness and death.

That's all I have to say on the matter. I'm not going to argue over science that has been known for over 100 years.

Even the bears in California are taking Covid seriously. There is a You Tube video of one walking into a 7/11 and making sure to use the paw , I mean hand sanitizer. I am serious and NOT making this up. Bears are among the smartest of all animals and here is just more proof.

Bahuba
11-18-2021, 07:41 AM
^^My personal opinion is that we should reserve judgment on any given country's effort and do our best to support our medical communities in our own countries as they work through this crisis. No one expected this pandemic, and no single nation has been "perfect". Each nation made a very difficult trade off between protection, economy, and freedoms.

indiegirl
11-26-2021, 02:47 PM
Welp there's a new covid variant out there. I had a driver tell me that he was driving a nurse and she said a new variant was about to come a week ago. She was right LOL. This one makes all your vaccine efforts 40 percent less effective.

I'm at the point of exhaustion over this stupid pandemic.

rickdugan
11-27-2021, 10:28 AM
Welp there's a new covid variant out there. I had a driver tell me that he was driving a nurse and she said a new variant was about to come a week ago. She was right LOL. This one makes all your vaccine efforts 40 percent less effective.

I'm at the point of exhaustion over this stupid pandemic.

The name they gave it is Omicron.

But there's no evidence that it's any more dangerous to young people than other versions have been, so I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it. What's exhausting to me is reactions of news media and politicians every time a new variant is found. Inevitably there will be more months with so-called new providers flooding the airwaves and Internet with never-ending doomsday reports and more handwringing and power grabbing by politicos prone to such excesses.

I'm honestly grateful to be someplace where sanity has returned, especially for the sake of my kids. Nobody here is talking about COVID anymore and, from the kids' perspective, everything has returned to normal. School, extracurricular activities, play dates and sleepovers - all back in full swing. By simply keeping the local newscasters off the TV when my kids are around, I keep them largely shielded from the melodramatic nonsense.

One would have thought that everything would calm down once the vaccine was widely available, but no such luck. Hopefully the COVID version of Tamiflu, which is expected to be widely available by prescription in a matter of months, will finally help those who are still panicking to calm down.

indiegirl
11-27-2021, 06:14 PM
The name they gave it is Omicron.

But there's no evidence that it's any more dangerous to young people than other versions have been, so I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it. What's exhausting to me is reactions of news media and politicians every time a new variant is found. Inevitably there will be more months with so-called new providers flooding the airwaves and Internet with never-ending doomsday reports and more handwringing and power grabbing by politicos prone to such excesses.

I'm honestly grateful to be someplace where sanity has returned, especially for the sake of my kids. Nobody here is talking about COVID anymore and, from the kids' perspective, everything has returned to normal. School, extracurricular activities, play dates and sleepovers - all back in full swing. By simply keeping the local newscasters off the TV when my kids are around, I keep them largely shielded from the melodramatic nonsense.

One would have thought that everything would calm down once the vaccine was widely available, but no such luck. Hopefully the COVID version of Tamiflu, which is expected to be widely available by prescription in a matter of months, will finally help those who are still panicking to calm down.

When I heard it was called Omicron I thought to myself, "This one must've come from a different planet. What an absurd name lollll." I think everyone is tired out and accepting to move forward regardless of potential risks. We can stay inside for only so long.

TheBrownFox
11-27-2021, 08:51 PM
What's exhausting to me is reactions of news media and politicians every time a new variant is found. Inevitably there will be more months with so-called new providers flooding the airwaves and Internet with never-ending doomsday reports and more handwringing and power grabbing by politicos prone to such excesses.

I'm honestly grateful to be someplace where sanity has returned, especially for the sake of my kids. Nobody here is talking about COVID anymore and, from the kids' perspective, everything has returned to normal. School, extracurricular activities, play dates and sleepovers - all back in full swing. By simply keeping the local newscasters off the TV when my kids are around, I keep them largely shielded from the melodramatic nonsense.

One would have thought that everything would calm down once the vaccine was widely available, but no such luck. Hopefully the COVID version of Tamiflu, which is expected to be widely available by prescription in a matter of months, will finally help those who are still panicking to calm down.


Agreed. And that sounds absolutely lovely where you are...with people getting back to ENJOYING LIFE. :) After Thanksgiving dinner, as soon as my granddad turned the T.V. to MSNBC (Surprise, surprise! More doom and gloom Covid news!), I got my laptop and headphones out to watch something on Hulu. I wasn't trying to spend the rest of my evening listening to that, or news stories about who all got murdered today in Baltimore City.

My 20-year high school class reunion (Class of 2000) had been postponed to November of this year, but it didn't happen because the girls in charge were still worried about gathering, so they've now postponed it AGAIN to Easter 2022, which I think is ridiculous. Easter 2022 it will just be something else that they're panicking about, so they might as well just cancel it instead of making all these Facebook posts talking about planning for it. All these other graduating classes of other schools out here (Except they're the Class of 2001) just had their 20-year reunions at a local bar, which looked like fun.

miss.a.p1600
11-28-2021, 08:19 AM
I'm not saying everyone should stayed locked inside forever. There's a lot that can be done without locking down. Vaccine mandates and mask mandates, except when eating or drinking, would probably prevent 99% of deaths and hospitalizations, without disrupting people's lives. I always wear a mask in public places. It's not that bad. Sometimes I forget that I have it on. I don't understand why some people are so freaked out over this.

I started getting a full size shopping cart (no matter if I put in items or not) as a social distancing buffer because it’s the same mfs with no home training that want to get in your personal space and breathe down your neck just because they are anxious in line.

No, I will put this basket behind me and you’ll stand behind my shopping basket.

People act like they couldn’t read the social distance stickers on the floor. And the fact that people are so dumb you have to put a sticker on the floor to tell them to give other people space in line. That should be a given. All sorts of pathogens why tf you want to stand all close up on a stranger who could be sick.

If there are no shopping carts I have told people to back up in line when they’re invading my space.

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 09:42 AM
I started getting a full size shopping cart (no matter if I put in items or not) as a social distancing buffer because it’s the same mfs with no home training that want to get in your personal space and breathe down your neck just because they are anxious in line.

No, I will put this basket behind me and you’ll stand behind my shopping basket.

People act like they couldn’t read the social distance stickers on the floor.

damn, here too, across the ocean. The same shit, they just ignore the stickers. They also ignore masks. Here I am, masked like a motherfucking ninja, using hand sanitizer every 10 minutes like Howard Hughes. Standing as far from them as possible, and they gather behind me almost breathing in my neck. I swear I need a stick.
why people hate masks? I actually got used to it and love it lol Would easily wear after pandemic, as people in Japan do.

OmegaWest
11-28-2021, 10:37 AM
Ive skimmed this thread and what i see is quite simple. Everyone is panicked over cases and positive tests. What people do not sit back and examine though, is cases do not equal deaths.

Look at the stats for people who died each year over the last 20 years in the United States. Is 2020 100s of thousands higher due to covid deaths? no each year is on par with the other. Just prior to Covid death certs actually had real cause of death, where as 2020 nearly every death was blamed on Covid.

Covid and the Corona virus has been around for centuries. If you look at your normal cleaning products, they had had coronavirus listed as being handled for decades.

Sit back and take a look without relying on Media. Did the people you know who died have perfect health? No Diabetes, Heart Disease, Lung Disease, Cancer, etc. .001% fit this category of being in perfect health and died do to complications unseen prior.

no matter what side of the blue red line we sit with our personal preferences, not using common sense for something that has been around for centuries is just stupid.

did we all get flu shots prior to this each year, I bet not. You got the Flu or you didnt and went on with your life. Some people died, most didnt. Year in Year out.

If Masks worked we wouldnt need vaccines, if vaccines worked we wouldnt need masks. Stop trying to prove a point because you dont care for someones viewpoint and use common sense.

The only people still trying to be relevant by pushing every new variant of the flu, are those who were never relevant in the first place. Use your head, put down your blue or red glasses and wake up.

miss.a.p1600
11-28-2021, 11:14 AM
^Mask work when people USE them and use them correctly
Vaccines would work if EVERYONE took them

If masks don’t work then I’d like to see you walk into a covid unit maskless.

There are also people on this thread who have loved ones die or near death from covid so your blanket statements minimize real experiences.

I work in an industry where you can not get services (or if you are able to get services you will have hella scrutiny n waiting periods) if covid is on your medical record

I’ve seen a dude on dialysis permanently after catching covid with no preexisting conditions. My mom said her coworker has nerve damage after contracting covid. Etc.

For many people, It’s a bit more serious than just your run of the mill cold.

slowpoke
11-28-2021, 11:22 AM
I constantly see people with masks under their noses. What is the point?

miss.a.p1600
11-28-2021, 11:52 AM
^Exactly....My dad does that.

I had to tell him. With all do respect.......'pull your mask up!'

rickdugan
11-28-2021, 12:54 PM
I sense this thread reverting back to the same "Oh my God, they need to wear their masks everywhere at all times and stay at least 10 feet away from me you damned spreaders!" stuff that has made this so topic so difficult to discuss over the last several months. Let's take a deep breath now so that a few people with strong opinions don't once again try to drown out the opinions of others, including two pinks who just posted more nuanced positions.

We are on a board where the overwhelming majority of participants are, and always have been, at very low risk from this thing. It's been almost 2 years now. There is also a vaccine available to anyone who wants it. At some point, we need to accept that COVID is not going away and start being more practical in how we deal with it. People cannot live in a state of emergency forever, especially kids but many adults too. This definitely also includes active dancers, who certainly aren't social distancing and most of whom are not wearing masks.

Now I have zero problem with anyone who wishes to mask up and get as many COVID booster shots as they want. But at some point we need to be more sensitive to the costs vs. benefits of continuing to impose our own preferred choices upon others. Masks and social distancing no doubt help to a degree, but exactly how much is up for debate given the current COVID surges in places that have never stopped with these policies. There is a social and economic cost to every mandate we impose upon others, which is why FL did away with these mandates some time ago.

At some point life moves on. People who choose not to be vaccinated take their own risks. We cannot continue to burden the entire population, including children, for the choices of others who could protect themselves if they want to, at no cost, but simply choose not to.

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 01:19 PM
Everyone is panicked over cases and positive tests. What people do not sit back and examine though, is cases do not equal deaths.

Just prior to Covid death certs actually had real cause of death, where as 2020 nearly every death was blamed on Covid.

Sit back and take a look without relying on Media. Did the people you know who died have perfect health? No Diabetes, Heart Disease, Lung Disease, Cancer, etc. .001% fit this category of being in perfect health and died do to complications unseen prior.

no matter what side of the blue red line we sit with our personal preferences, not using common sense for something that has been around for centuries is just stupid.
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This.This and this. I thought about the same. People panic like there was no death before. And these fears are used for economics just perfectly. And to separate people, too.

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 01:28 PM
I sense this thread reverting back to the same "Oh my God, they need to wear their masks everywhere at all times and stay at least 10 feet away from me you damned spreaders!" stuff that has made this so topic so difficult to discuss over the last several months. Let's take a deep breath now so that a few people with strong opinions don't once again try to drown out the opinions of others, including two pinks who just posted more nuanced positions.

We are on a board where the overwhelming majority of participants are, and always have been, at very low risk from this thing. It's been almost 2 years now. There is also a vaccine available to anyone who wants it. At some point, we need to accept that COVID is not going away and start being more practical in how we deal with it. People cannot live in a state of emergency forever, especially kids but many adults too. This definitely also includes active dancers, who certainly aren't social distancing and most of whom are not wearing masks.

Now I have zero problem with anyone who wishes to mask up and get as many COVID booster shots as they want. But at some point we need to be more sensitive to the costs vs. benefits of continuing to impose our own preferred choices upon others. Masks and social distancing no doubt help to a degree, but exactly how much is up for debate given the current COVID surges in places that have never stopped with these policies. There is a social and economic cost to every mandate we impose upon others, which is why FL did away with these mandates some time ago.

At some point life moves on. People who choose not to be vaccinated take their own risks. We cannot continue to burden the entire population, including children, for the choices of others who could protect themselves if they want to, at no cost, but simply choose not to.

Nah, I understand it's unnatural for people to behave like robots and stay away from each other and cover their faces. It's just wrong. When I take the mask off, I enjoy the smell of the fresh air and it alone makes me happy. That's why I don't say anything to these who 'break the distance'. It will just bring negative emotions and stupid panic, and we have already enough. I have my own legs to step away if I choose to. Indeed, people choose what they want and take their own risks, and nothing wrong about it. It's always been like that. If you meant me in your post, I apologize, I didn't intend to sound like a prude cunt.

rickdugan
11-28-2021, 02:34 PM
Nah, I understand it's unnatural for people to behave like robots and stay away from each other and cover their faces. It's just wrong. When I take the mask off, I enjoy the smell of the fresh air and it alone makes me happy. That's why I don't say anything to these who 'break the distance'. It will just bring negative emotions and stupid panic, and we have already enough. I have my own legs to step away if I choose to. Indeed, people choose what they want and take their own risks, and nothing wrong about it. It's always been like that. If you meant me in your post, I apologize, I didn't intend to sound like a prude cunt.

No worries and I certainly wasn't targeting any one person with my comments. It's just that some of these threads seem to quickly turn into echo chambers after a while, with a handful of people pounding the drums so loudly that others with differing views don't seem welcome. Again not saying that you were part of it. Shoot there were even a couple of adult entertainers who felt the need to apologize for actually having the audacity to work to feed themselves, lol.

Now that there's a vaccine which provides at least moderate protection against the worst symptoms and the vast bulk of our vulnerable population has taken it, IMHO continuing to impose mandates and restrictions just makes very little sense anymore. This is especially true for our kids, who were never at risk to begin with, yet paid the highest price to protect others. Many of our country's kids lost a whole year of school and, even to this day, are required to live like they're in some never-ending version of the movie "Contagion." As a parent I am stunningly grateful that here in FL our kids have been living normally for quite some time now and have not suffered the education losses experienced by so many others.

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 02:42 PM
I 've read that the situation is so different in the states with the rules, from state to state, as if there are many separate mini-countries.
About kids - also there were some articles saying they were stressing over the lockdowns most of all. My neighbour's kid throws tantrums pretty frequently,, but I'm not quite sure it's connected with a lockdown. More like with his mum ;D
I could say about myself lol..if I were kid nowadays, I 'd be so fucking happy not to go to school, but it's only because I was terrible introvert and school hater. Like in that anecdote: I like to go to school, and I also like to go home from school, but these hours in between are just the worst.

TheBrownFox
11-28-2021, 03:01 PM
damn, here too, across the ocean. The same shit, they just ignore the stickers. They also ignore masks. Here I am, masked like a motherfucking ninja, using hand sanitizer every 10 minutes like Howard Hughes. Standing as far from them as possible, and they gather behind me almost breathing in my neck. I swear I need a stick.
why people hate masks? I actually got used to it and love it lol Would easily wear after pandemic, as people in Japan do.


Well after it was shoved down our throats for months that we need to get the vaccine as soon as it's available, so we can get rid of the masks, many of us did that (And are fully vaxxed now)...and choose to only wear the masks where required. Yup, I hate masks, but I will wear one where it's required. Many of you on here like wearing masks, and that's fine. Just like it's fine if some of us hate it (And only wear it where required), and can't wait to take that dirty shit off our face as soon as we're off the bus...or out of the Lyft ride. LOL. When I get home, I take mine off so I can go back to actually breathing freely through my nose...and then I take off my bra so my titties can be free.

rickdugan
11-28-2021, 03:20 PM
I 've read that the situation is so different in the states with the rules, from state to state, as if there are many separate mini-countries.
About kids - also there were some articles saying they were stressing over the lockdowns most of all. My neighbour's kid throws tantrums pretty frequently,, but I'm not quite sure it's connected with a lockdown. More like with his mum ;D
I could say about myself lol..if I were kid nowadays, I 'd be so fucking happy not to go to school, but it's only because I was terrible introvert and school hater. Like in that anecdote: I like to go to school, and I also like to go home from school, but these hours in between are just the worst.

When my kids' school shut down briefly for a single academic quarter, they were indeed happy for the first couple of weeks. But the restrictions went beyond that. All of their extracurricular activities were shut down too. Kids became isolated from their friends and the activities that they enjoyed while also falling behind academically. Also when the schools and other activities did open back up, they spent another whole school year masked wherever they went and, in the case of schools, had plexi-glass dividers separating the desks.

And all of this was here in Florida, probably the most open state. Indeed Florida forced its schools open in August of 2020, having to fight the teacher's unions in state courts the whole way to make it stick. In some of the largest school districts in other states, they kept kids out of school from mid-March of 2020 until September of 2021 and to this day they are still subjecting those kids to living in Contagion protocols. Many kids in those states haven't seen the uncovered faces of friends and teachers in almost 2 whole years.

Kids are just not wired to live like for long stretches and the result has been an extraordinary strain on the pediatric mental health system. This is why I am so grateful to be here in FL. Not only did the state ensure that my kids did not fall behind and could see their friends, but this past Summer it passed legislation to prevent schools from continuing to impose other mandates on the kids. So my kids have effectively been back to full normal since the Summer, which has done wonders for their emotional well-being.

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 03:34 PM
Well after it was shoved down our throats for months that we need to get the vaccine as soon as it's available, so we can get rid of the masks, many of us did that (And are fully vaxxed now)...and choose to only wear the masks where required. Yup, I hate masks, but I will wear one where it's required. Many of you on here like wearing masks, and that's fine. Just like it's fine if some of us hate it (And only wear it where required), and can't wait to take that dirty shit off our face as soon as we're off the bus...or out of the Lyft ride. LOL. When I get home, I take mine off so I can go back to actually breathing freely through my nose...and then I take off my bra so my titties can be free.

;D
hahahhah damn. laughed out loud at bra. Honestly I hate the 'sweating face' part too. Also sadly my lipsticks....mask mostly just ruins them:( I like masks for the aesthetics and the idea of safety (god knows if it's safe, so I call it 'idea' lol)
And...and it's just the best when I walk outside, nobody s around, empty street , and I take the mask off and fuck it's SO good. That rainy air, the wind, the smells...:)
So yeah, I love it and hate it.
(Same with bra. hahahahah)

TheBrownFox
11-28-2021, 03:42 PM
I constantly see people with masks under their noses. What is the point?


With the bus service I use, all of the bus drivers (except for ONE) will say something if an unmasked passenger tries to get on. I saw this one driver let this woman get on the bus with all these kids (pre-teens or early teens), and none of them had masks on...and he never said a word. And it's happened a few other times while he was the driver. He's probably afraid that one of these passengers will get combative with him (This area is considered "the hood"), and doesn't want any problems. I feel bad for these employees who are in a position where they have to be the ones to tell people "You have to put on your mask, Ma'am."

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 03:47 PM
When my kids' school shut down briefly for a single academic quarter, they were indeed happy for the first couple of weeks. But the restrictions went beyond that. All of their extracurricular activities were shut down too. Kids became isolated from their friends and the activities that they enjoyed while also falling behind academically. Also when the schools and other activities did open back up, they spent another whole school year masked wherever they went and, in the case of schools, had plexi-glass dividers separating the desks.

And all of this was here in Florida, probably the most open state. Indeed Florida forced its schools open in August of 2020, having to fight the teacher's unions in state courts the whole way to make it stick. In some of the largest school districts in other states, they kept kids out of school from mid-March of 2020 until September of 2021 and to this day they are still subjecting those kids to living in Contagion protocols. Many kids in those states haven't seen the uncovered faces of friends and teachers in almost 2 whole years.

Kids are just not wired to live like for long stretches and the result has been an extraordinary strain on the pediatric mental health system. This is why I am so grateful to be here in FL. Not only did the state ensure that my kids did not fall behind and could see their friends, but this past Summer it passed legislation to prevent schools from continuing to impose other mandates on the kids. So my kids have effectively been back to full normal since the Summer, which has done wonders for their emotional well-being.

yes, I 've heard it's freedom in Florida;D
in my area they have schools open now, but also encourage vaccinations. I recently saw a school boy about 7 years old in a mask that looked like Mike Myers' one! lol! It covered his whole face and was totally dark, also he was wearing a hood. It was something ;D
Some regions put stricter rules and require vaccination to use public transport, for example. Folks hate it and some beat conductors sometimes. As if it was their fault!
It's the saddest outcome of the pandemic for me personally, that people start to fight against each other. Like civil wars, but on different level.
Also, for example, I found out recently only (lol!) that antivaxxers are these who refuse to take any measures at all. I thought they only used masks and refused to get vaccinated, but no - they refuse everything. And it also brings the hate out.

UPD: oh Fox, you just described similar situation.^

TheBrownFox
11-28-2021, 03:48 PM
;D
hahahhah damn. laughed out loud at bra. Honestly I hate the 'sweating face' part too. Also sadly my lipsticks....mask mostly just ruins them:( I like masks for the aesthetics and the idea of safety (god knows if it's safe, so I call it 'idea' lol)
And...and it's just the best when I walk outside, nobody s around, empty street , and I take the mask off and fuck it's SO good. That rainy air, the wind, the smells...:)
So yeah, I love it and hate it.
(Same with bra. hahahahah)


I was in Penn Station in New York City on my birthday back in August when it was hot, and it felt like a sauna in there (In the area where New Jersey Transit is). I couldn't feel any air conditioning at all, and the other people standing around waiting on their trains were sweating and looking as miserable as I was. There were officers walking around making sure people were wearing their masks properly...covering their noses and mouths. I just wanted to scream "HOLY SHIT! TURN ON THE A/C, PLEASE!!!"

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 03:58 PM
I was in Penn Station in New York City on my birthday back in August when it was hot, and it felt like a sauna in there (In the area where New Jersey Transit is). I couldn't feel any air conditioning at all, and the other people standing around waiting on their trains were sweating and looking as miserable as I was. There were officers walking around making sure people were wearing their masks properly...covering their noses and mouths. I just wanted to scream "HOLY SHIT! TURN ON THE A/C, PLEASE!!!"

ugh it can be real hell. I wish they 'd invent tiny filters that just fit the nostrils lol

rickdugan
11-28-2021, 05:16 PM
yes, I 've heard it's freedom in Florida;D
in my area they have schools open now, but also encourage vaccinations. I recently saw a school boy about 7 years old in a mask that looked like Mike Myers' one! lol! It covered his whole face and was totally dark, also he was wearing a hood. It was something ;D
Some regions put stricter rules and require vaccination to use public transport, for example. Folks hate it and some beat conductors sometimes. As if it was their fault!
It's the saddest outcome of the pandemic for me personally, that people start to fight against each other. Like civil wars, but on different level.
Also, for example, I found out recently only (lol!) that antivaxxers are these who refuse to take any measures at all. I thought they only used masks and refused to get vaccinated, but no - they refuse everything. And it also brings the hate out.

UPD: oh Fox, you just described similar situation.^

Some of what you posted is what I meant about the social and economic consequences of government imposed mandates. When we impose mask and vaccine mandates as a requirement to work or purchase goods and services, less people want to do those things, which in turn inhibits economic growth. It also forces transportation conductors, store clerks and others to assume the role of mask and vaccination police, something which is entirely unfair to them.

These reasons and others are why FL doesn't have any of these mandates and, indeed, limits employers, retail venues and schools from requiring proof of COVID vaccination. It was one thing when the vaccine was not available to anyone who wants it, but it's been out for months now. It's up to each person to make his or her own personal decision. Honestly I haven't owned a mask in months, though when in those rare instances where I end up someplace where one is required, I certainly comply (usually doctors' offices).

Luci Fer
11-28-2021, 05:46 PM
Some of what you posted is what I meant about the social and economic consequences of government imposed mandates. When we impose mask and vaccine mandates as a requirement to work or purchase goods and services, less people want to do those things, which in turn inhibits economic growth. It also forces transportation conductors, store clerks and others to assume the role of mask and vaccination police, something which is entirely unfair to them.

These reasons and others are why FL doesn't have any of these mandates and, indeed, limits employers, retail venues and schools from requiring proof of COVID vaccination. It was one thing when the vaccine was not available to anyone who wants it, but it's been out for months now. It's up to each person to make his or her own personal decision. Honestly I haven't owned a mask in months, though when in those rare instances where I end up someplace where one is required, I certainly comply (usually doctors' offices).

What do they do about folks who refuse to vaccinate and wear masks? Also do they differ those who had covid and got healed naturally from these who are vaccinated? I guess they care about common immunity nowadays, and the main concern now people who are 'covid virgins' lol

rickdugan
11-28-2021, 06:09 PM
What do they do about folks who refuse to vaccinate and wear masks? Also do they differ those who had covid and got healed naturally from these who are vaccinated? I guess they care about common immunity nowadays, and the main concern now people who are 'covid virgins' lol

There will never be herd immunity, especially with constant mutations that make this very similar to the flu. So how much longer are we going to continue with onerous mandates? Two years? Five years? Forever? At some point everyone will be forced to adopt a more common sense approach like that already found in FL. Make the vaccine easy to obtain and publicly encourage their use, but ultimately accept that "COVID virgins" assume their own risks and that, over time, we will acquire higher natural population resistance through greater natural exposure.

OmegaWest
11-29-2021, 06:27 AM
^Mask work when people USE them and use them correctly
Vaccines would work if EVERYONE took them

If masks don’t work then I’d like to see you walk into a covid unit maskless.

There are also people on this thread who have loved ones die or near death from covid so your blanket statements minimize real experiences.

I work in an industry where you can not get services (or if you are able to get services you will have hella scrutiny n waiting periods) if covid is on your medical record

I’ve seen a dude on dialysis permanently after catching covid with no preexisting conditions. My mom said her coworker has nerve damage after contracting covid. Etc.

For many people, It’s a bit more serious than just your run of the mill cold.

Masks obviously didnt work or the case rates would have dropped prior to the vaccines. The vaccines are not effective or you wouldnt need booster shots. You want to know what disease needs booster shots, Tetnus comes to mind. But do we walk around in armor so we dont get tetnus, no if we get a puncture wound from a rusty surface then we go get a shot.

Yes some people reacted badly to this flu virus, and yes that is what it is Coronavirus is the Flu. However some people have always had bad reactions to the flu. People have died prior to 2020 to the flu.

Do not insinuate that my statements minimize experience. My Grandfather passed in 2003 to complications of catching the Flu. Should I go back ad make a doctor change his death cause to Covid? Of course not. Things happen. The Dude on dialysis probably had an un diagnosed Kidney issue that Covid brought to the forefront. Your mothers coworker might have had nerve damage prior but never knew.

I didnt catch Covid and i found out i have nerve damage in my shoulder, that i found out during my annual physical, from an injury from when i was 15 in school.

Mask worn in Hospitals in infectious units are not the same masks everyone is wearing in public. Which is why when an infectious disease is found in a patient, that area goes on lockdown and special protocols go into effect, with those special masks and full body ppe gear.

If the Flu shot that people can get if they like was a way to end the flu and all coronaviruses, it would have been done decades ago, like the polio or smallpox vaccines were given to eliminate those diseases.

Just that people touting being fully vaccinated are catching the virus is proof they do not work. Want to know what does work, your bodies natural immune system and basic care if you get the flu or covid.


for some people, not many its more than the cold or flu. .04% its more serious for.

What is more serious? Is people have stopped using their brains and use time proven ways to combat the flu.

Eric Stoner
11-29-2021, 10:05 AM
There will never be herd immunity, especially with constant mutations that make this very similar to the flu. So how much longer are we going to continue with onerous mandates? Two years? Five years? Forever? At some point everyone will be forced to adopt a more common sense approach like that already found in FL. Make the vaccine easy to obtain and publicly encourage their use, but ultimately accept that "COVID virgins" assume their own risks and that, over time, we will acquire higher natural population resistance through greater natural exposure.

Hmmm. The good news is that the symptoms of the Omicron variant are very mild. The bad news is that it is highly contagious.

I do note that Florida's rate of new Covid cases is in decline while many Blue states are seeing increased rates.

I have an appt. to get my booster shot in two weeks.

I think that Covid is going to be like the flu. We'll have to get shots every year. Or not if that is what people choose to do.

Marina Starr
11-29-2021, 10:13 AM
Scheduled my booster for Thursday. Feeling scared, not of vaccine but needles.

kimbe
11-29-2021, 11:25 AM
Hmmm. The good news is that the symptoms of the Omicron variant are very mild. The bad news is that it is highly contagious.


But, why so much panicking if generally mild symptoms /:O

rickdugan
11-29-2021, 11:55 AM
Hmmm. The good news is that the symptoms of the Omicron variant are very mild. The bad news is that it is highly contagious.

I do note that Florida's rate of new Covid cases is in decline while many Blue states are seeing increased rates.

I have an appt. to get my booster shot in two weeks.

I think that Covid is going to be like the flu. We'll have to get shots every year. Or not if that is what people choose to do.

I have also heard that Omicron symptoms are milder, but you can bet that certain people in power won't let rational facts get in the way of a good panicky story if it keeps the accountability hounds at bay for a little longer. NY has already declared a state of emergency and nationally we have closed off travel to/from several countries. A number of states and cities continue to this day with mandates and restrictions and will no doubt use Omicron as an excuse to keep them going. Round and round we go...

But eventually the tab is going to come due. The more people stop being afraid this and look at everything we've done with a more critical eye, the more they're going to question how necessary it really was to take away a whole year of schooling for our kids, turn our largest cities into ghost towns and trash our local business communities. As we now know and have known for some time, most of the people most affected by the mandates and restrictions were those least at risk from COVID in the first place, most especially kids. IMHO the clearer this becomes to more people over time, the more that folks who championed the most destructive policies are likely to pay the price.

Luci Fer
11-29-2021, 06:14 PM
I think that Covid is going to be like the flu. We'll have to get shots every year. Or not if that is what people choose to do.

Never got vaccinated for the flu.../:O

OmegaWest
11-29-2021, 08:33 PM
But, why so much panicking if generally mild symptoms /:O

because the irrelevant people want to keep getting paid to scare people with the media

OmegaWest
11-29-2021, 08:50 PM
I have also heard that Omicron symptoms are milder, but you can bet that certain people in power won't let rational facts get in the way of a good panicky story if it keeps the accountability hounds at bay for a little longer. NY has already declared a state of emergency and nationally we have closed off travel to/from several countries. A number of states and cities continue to this day with mandates and restrictions and will no doubt use Omicron as an excuse to keep them going. Round and round we go...

But eventually the tab is going to come due. The more people stop being afraid this and look at everything we've done with a more critical eye, the more they're going to question how necessary it really was to take away a whole year of schooling for our kids, turn our largest cities into ghost towns and trash our local business communities. As we now know and have known for some time, most of the people most affected by the mandates and restrictions were those least at risk from COVID in the first place, most especially kids. IMHO the clearer this becomes to more people over time, the more that folks who championed the most destructive policies are likely to pay the price.


Covid is the Flu, its very name is Coronavirus which is omg the Flu Virus that has been around for centuries. And anyone who does actual research of history can find that in certain years we have a mutated Flu Virus that kills more than normal. Those Years get special names for their Flu. The biggest difference in this version and all its variants that are keeping people terrified, by our corrupt media who have to fight for ratings rather than be ethical, is just that. Its media driven and politicized.

Before our pundit comes from his nest, let me finish.

Remove the constant tickers on every news station, and every covid tag added to nearly every social media post, and the constant used pictures of hospitals in small rural areas in italy.

What then do we have? We have yet another normal year of sick people and some died. Did it effect or reveal people with unseen or dormant comorbidity in some infected? sure it did, but once again going by the history of each year from the last 20 years, we didnt have 100s of thousands more deaths than years prior. The actual deaths were nearly the same.

Did we get blasted with images of stacked bodies and panicked with images of overfilled iso wards. Of course because they wanted the entire country in a panic. And those people who have proven to be scared of their own shadows are still in lockdown in their heads and they are the one we see masked and gloved in their own cars, while they are alone.

Those of us who have used our brains and seen through the Bull being tossed by the ton, are the ones being called crazy and driving so many cases of the Flu. Well you either get the flu or you dont, its not luck its common sense and if you take care of yourself and your natural immune system.

Use your heads people, i bet most if not all of us growing up drank from the garden hose when out playing when we were kids. if that didnt kill us, it sure as hell put our immune system into overdrive against most things harmful. Variations that they will keep "finding" when the people stop paying attention to them yet again will continue to happen until all the easily terrified wake up.

kamiliam
11-29-2021, 10:10 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pandemic-timeline-1930-and-beyond.htm

History of the influenza vaccine. Notice the dates and how we reached a point that the flu vaccine is not mandated and we can monitor and contain threat levels. The flu vaccine came after the Spanish flu, the last pandemic of this size. There was debate if it was a virus or not, we have come a long way. Anyone with half a brain can determine why I posted that link, they would also know the difference between a normal flu season and a pandemic but whatever.

If you are vaccinated, life is pretty much normal but slower and with a mask. If your beliefs don’t allow you to participate in society (getting the shot to travel, go out to eat, not having your family abandon you etc) that’s your fault. Think of how disabled people feel? And they don’t have a choice. You could get a little shot just like we do with the flu, I thought the point was it was the same.

eagle2
11-30-2021, 12:01 AM
Ive skimmed this thread and what i see is quite simple. Everyone is panicked over cases and positive tests. What people do not sit back and examine though, is cases do not equal deaths.

Look at the stats for people who died each year over the last 20 years in the United States. Is 2020 100s of thousands higher due to covid deaths? no each year is on par with the other. Just prior to Covid death certs actually had real cause of death, where as 2020 nearly every death was blamed on Covid.

Covid and the Corona virus has been around for centuries. If you look at your normal cleaning products, they had had coronavirus listed as being handled for decades.

Sit back and take a look without relying on Media. Did the people you know who died have perfect health? No Diabetes, Heart Disease, Lung Disease, Cancer, etc. .001% fit this category of being in perfect health and died do to complications unseen prior.

no matter what side of the blue red line we sit with our personal preferences, not using common sense for something that has been around for centuries is just stupid.

did we all get flu shots prior to this each year, I bet not. You got the Flu or you didnt and went on with your life. Some people died, most didnt. Year in Year out.

If Masks worked we wouldnt need vaccines, if vaccines worked we wouldnt need masks. Stop trying to prove a point because you dont care for someones viewpoint and use common sense.

The only people still trying to be relevant by pushing every new variant of the flu, are those who were never relevant in the first place. Use your head, put down your blue or red glasses and wake up.

Everything you said is completely made up and wrong. 2020 saw the most deaths above and beyond what was projected in the US in 100 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

You don't even know the name of the virus that caused the pandemic. It's called COVID-19. Please research what the 19 stands for.

You don't even know that there's more than one type of coronavirus.

Multiple studies have shown that vaccines are effective in preventing transmission of the virus as well as serious cases and deaths. The fact that boosters are needed after 6 months doesn't negate this. It only means the vaccines lose some of their effectiveness after a certain time period.

You're not a doctor or scientist. Please stop giving medical advice on things you know nothing about. All you're doing is making stuff up.

eagle2
11-30-2021, 12:08 AM
Well after it was shoved down our throats for months that we need to get the vaccine as soon as it's available, so we can get rid of the masks, many of us did that (And are fully vaxxed now)...and choose to only wear the masks where required. Yup, I hate masks, but I will wear one where it's required. Many of you on here like wearing masks, and that's fine. Just like it's fine if some of us hate it (And only wear it where required), and can't wait to take that dirty shit off our face as soon as we're off the bus...or out of the Lyft ride. LOL. When I get home, I take mine off so I can go back to actually breathing freely through my nose...and then I take off my bra so my titties can be free.

People were encouraged to get vaccinated to prevent more covid hospitalizations and deaths. If you've been vaccinated and aren't at high risk, you're probably safe in not wearing a mask when you're not required to.

rickdugan
11-30-2021, 05:21 AM
Everything you said is completely made up and wrong. 2020 saw the most deaths above and beyond what was projected in the US in 100 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

You don't even know the name of the virus that caused the pandemic. It's called COVID-19. Please research what the 19 stands for.

You don't even know that there's more than one type of coronavirus.

Multiple studies have shown that vaccines are effective in preventing transmission of the virus as well as serious cases and deaths. The fact that boosters are needed after 6 months doesn't negate this. It only means the vaccines lose some of their effectiveness after a certain time period.

You're not a doctor or scientist. Please stop giving medical advice on things you know nothing about. All you're doing is making stuff up.

LOL. I kinda' assumed that Omega posted that fishing for a reaction, but maybe he was serious. IDK. :O

But even though COVID is obviously not the flu, there are certainly lessons that we can take from how we already manage the flu, which shares many similar characteristics in terms of frequent mutations and seasonal spikes.

As the President of South Africa, which is currently experiencing a surge of the Omicron variant, recently said:


"When we encountered previous waves of infection, vaccines were not widely available and far fewer people were vaccinated. We also know that the coronavirus will be with us for the long term. We must therefore find ways of managing the pandemic while limiting disruptions to the economy and ensuring continuity.”


Many states, including FL, have already adopted this posture. Eventually everyone is going to need to wrap their arms around this reality and take a more common sense approach, including the cities and states that are still firebombing their own economies in futile efforts to eliminate this thing.

eagle2
11-30-2021, 06:14 AM
because the irrelevant people want to keep getting paid to scare people with the media

What is your evidence?

OmegaWest
11-30-2021, 09:10 AM
Everything you said is completely made up and wrong. 2020 saw the most deaths above and beyond what was projected in the US in 100 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

You don't even know the name of the virus that caused the pandemic. It's called COVID-19. Please research what the 19 stands for.

You don't even know that there's more than one type of coronavirus.

Multiple studies have shown that vaccines are effective in preventing transmission of the virus as well as serious cases and deaths. The fact that boosters are needed after 6 months doesn't negate this. It only means the vaccines lose some of their effectiveness after a certain time period.

You're not a doctor or scientist. Please stop giving medical advice on things you know nothing about. All you're doing is making stuff up.

I know alot more than you think Eagle, but once again you love to condescend. One day you might grow up and learn fact over your brainwashed narrative. you once again fail to see that cases do not equal deaths.
There were not 100s of thousands more deaths than 2019, or 2000 or even 1990. You want to know what there were more of? Death certs issued with Covid listed in order to get govt money. Hospital staff across the country have all gone on record stating that no matter what was the overall cause of death every file was to be marked Covid.

Your death toll lists are bull. Try reading a paper or a website without a left bias that wants to keep everyone locked down and having to need govt support to live.

The virus named Covid 19 is a coronavirus, and you would learn the east way, that if you have good hygiene it dies like every other corona virus. Every death came from Comorbidities, whether they were known or unknown in the patient. Those in perfect health make up .001% of deaths.

You want to know what killed alot of people, Fear. While being constantly bashed at them from every media outlet and social media. People who live in constant fear give up.

you are not a doctor or scientist, you are a fear monger. You love being able to push at people and then when they dont go cowering, you bring up biased sources that back your viewpoint.

maybe when you use common sense, you might find yourself in a better place.

TheBrownFox
11-30-2021, 09:40 AM
People were encouraged to get vaccinated to prevent more covid hospitalizations and deaths. If you've been vaccinated and aren't at high risk, you're probably safe in not wearing a mask when you're not required to.


You aren't telling me anything I didn't already know, and I'm pretty sure that point (your first statement) has been repeated constantly throughout this 20-page thread. Of course I'm aware of the reasons people were encouraged to get vaccinated, AND, like I said before, it was also sprinkled with "...so we can get rid of the masks."

kamiliam
11-30-2021, 10:40 AM
Hospital staff across the country have all gone on record stating that no matter what was the overall cause of death every file was to be marked Covid.

Your death toll lists are bull. Try reading a paper or a website without a left bias that wants to keep everyone locked down and having to need govt support to live.

The virus named Covid 19 is a coronavirus, and you would learn the east way, that if you have good hygiene it dies like every other corona virus. Every death came from Comorbidities, whether they were known or unknown in the patient. Those in perfect health make up .001% of deaths.

This is untrue, as someone who lost two family members during the pandemic please keep your mouth shut. One by COVID, another not, autopsies done, so please stop this hyperbole.

eagle2
11-30-2021, 11:04 AM
You aren't telling me anything I didn't already know, and I'm pretty sure that point (your first statement) has been repeated constantly throughout this 20-page thread. Of course I'm aware of the reasons people were encouraged to get vaccinated, AND, like I said before, it was also sprinkled with "...so we can get rid of the masks."

Sorry about that.

Djoser
11-30-2021, 11:46 AM
I know alot more than you think Eagle, but once again you love to condescend. One day you might grow up and learn fact over your brainwashed narrative. you once again fail to see that cases do not equal deaths.
There were not 100s of thousands more deaths than 2019, or 2000 or even 1990. You want to know what there were more of? Death certs issued with Covid listed in order to get govt money. Hospital staff across the country have all gone on record stating that no matter what was the overall cause of death every file was to be marked Covid.

Your death toll lists are bull. Try reading a paper or a website without a left bias that wants to keep everyone locked down and having to need govt support to live.

The virus named Covid 19 is a coronavirus, and you would learn the east way, that if you have good hygiene it dies like every other corona virus. Every death came from Comorbidities, whether they were known or unknown in the patient. Those in perfect health make up .001% of deaths.

You want to know what killed alot of people, Fear. While being constantly bashed at them from every media outlet and social media. People who live in constant fear give up.

you are not a doctor or scientist, you are a fear monger. You love being able to push at people and then when they dont go cowering, you bring up biased sources that back your viewpoint.

maybe when you use common sense, you might find yourself in a better place.

Thanks for the ad hominem attack, now the thread is closed. At least temporarily, I have a lot of shit to do before I can clean this up.