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rickdugan
07-22-2021, 08:20 AM
Just a suggestion. Why don't you and Eagle just agree to disagree ? I get it that you are waiting for more data on vaccination. I assume you want certainty that the vaccine will not harm your children. It seems to me that you will be waiting forever for that kind of certainty because it is impossible to achieve. Very little in science and medicine are certain. It is all varying degrees of probability. Some probabilities being so high as to be almost certain. While not "long term" , I have argued that we have seen that kind of probability with the various Covid vaccines.

Probably not forever, but certainly longer than a handful of months. We can also agree to disagree on the value of time in terms of assessment data and the accuracy/completeness of reporting. There simply isn't any practical downside for my kids in holding off until the vaccine's medium term effects are better understood.

What prevents me from simply agreeing to disagree with eagle is his use of melodramatic one-off articles, like they are the norm, and goofy characterizations of folks with differing viewpoints, all sourced of course from rags that heartily feed his confirmation bias. When one is going to rationally discuss a complex issue with a diverse group of people one needs to be better than that.

But in light of Lovely's last post, I will leave off here as it would be a shame to make her feel like she has to retreat to Ladies Only because of a debate amongst some blues.

Vyanka
07-22-2021, 10:11 AM
Why must everything be an argument?

Is this the covid debate thread?

Is this a high school debating team?

Wtf? So fucking annoying.

ANYHOW....

Back to covid *** news***

Hospitalizations and cases in my state have been increasing due to the Delta variant. Today my city reported over 500 new cases.

I was going to go to LA for a concert this weekend. But not really feeling it. I've been hearing about fully vaccinated people having breakthrough infections and although I most likely won't die from covid, that doesn't mean I'm ok with getting it.

Ok. Back to Ladies Only I go, where we don't have to incite debates to get attention or siphon fuel from others...

That's bc you have adults acting like spoiled little brats when told to mask up to prevent spread and mutation. For fuck sakes... ppl are hard headed. Now this shit keeps mutating bc of lack of responsibility. They can't even mask up, so the hell with the vaccination with them. My fear is that this thing can mutate stronger than a vaccine bc of stupid selfish assholes.

Vyanka
07-22-2021, 10:26 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1417984043539386372

Vyanka
07-22-2021, 10:29 AM
^ And? It's mostly young healthy people getting it now and, at least here in FL, it's not putting a strain on our hospitals. The same thing happened last Summer when social activities/events were at their highest.


Hey Rick,

Two young healthy ppl that my friend knew in Brazil died of covid and one healthy 28 yr old has a messed up lung and another issue with one of her organs(I forgot which one). The two dead was a healthy 25 year old and the other was a healthy 39 yr old mother. Fucking sad.

Eric Stoner
07-22-2021, 10:52 AM
That's bc you have adults acting like spoiled little brats when told to mask up to prevent spread and mutation. For fuck sakes... ppl are hard headed. Now this shit keeps mutating bc of lack of responsibility. They can't even mask up, so the hell with the vaccination with them. My fear is that this thing can mutate stronger than a vaccine bc of stupid selfish assholes.

A good quality well fitted mask will help. The data is clear that what will really make a difference is if more people get vaccinated.

Now we have to deal with the canard that Fox News is encouraging vaccine resistance. It's not. Even if it were its prime demographic are the people most likely to be vaccinated. Folks over 60 have a a full vaccination rate well in the 80's.

As I have posted the mutations or variants tend to get weaker. While the Delta variant is highly infectious it is not as deadly as earlier variants. There are questions : 1. Is it less lethal because those with Delta are overwhelmingly young and /or 2. Is it because a lot of its victims were vaccinated. At least in part.
Or most likely 3. A combination of both coupled with better care and treatment . The High Priest of Covid has said "Yes" to "2" with his usual hemming and hawing and presumably with his fingers crossed .

I do not have data on the Lambda and Epsilon variants. I know they are out there and spreading but do not know who is getting infected and how sick they are getting. It looks like they may not be as infectious as the Delta variant but that is admittedly an educated guess. If anyone has data , please post it.

I repeat my call for calm and maintenance of perspective. Without trying to minimize it , the Delta variant has NOT resulted in hospitalizations or deaths that are out of control. Quite the contrary. So far , our hospitals have been able to handle the load. The positivity rate is now back up over 2 % but all that means is that the tested person was exposed to Covid. The death rate is LOWER than with prior variants

LoveyD
07-22-2021, 12:19 PM
That's bc you have adults acting like spoiled little brats when told to mask up to prevent spread and mutation. For fuck sakes... ppl are hard headed. Now this shit keeps mutating bc of lack of responsibility. They can't even mask up, so the hell with the vaccination with them. My fear is that this thing can mutate stronger than a vaccine bc of stupid selfish assholes.

Well said, Vyanka. This is exactly my fear as well.

And the gentleman in the Twitter link makes a great point.

I think too many people are subscribed to the false reality that covid won't happen to them. Like they think they're special or something.

Djoser
07-22-2021, 02:09 PM
Though at least Eric has the emotional maturity and intellectual capacity to see the other side of this argument, even if he disagrees with it.

Come on goddamnit this is getting personal.

rickdugan
07-22-2021, 02:54 PM
Come on goddamnit this is getting personal.

DJ, in all fairness he did spend the bulk of the thread accusing people who didn't agree with his view as "lacking intellect", blindly following conspiracy theories and/or irrationally operating under a variety of influences. That of course was when he wasn't slapping around labels like "anti-vaxxer." I'm sure that I don't need to connect the dots considering that I'm obviously one of the people who doesn't agree with him, as I'm sure are some others who are reading this (which would definitely include some pinks). IMHO a grown man discussing a complicated issue on any diverse forum has to be better than that.

Nonetheless I of course would never have said that to one of the pink participants, but that doesn't mean that I was justified in taking that shot. I definitely could have communicated better on this one. A big mea culpa from me.

dpacrkk
07-22-2021, 03:12 PM
DJ, in all fairness he did spend the bulk of the thread accusing people who didn't agree with his view as "lacking intellect", blindly following conspiracy theories and/or irrationally operating under a variety of influences. That of course was when he wasn't slapping around labels like "anti-vaxxer."

Not to speak/type for others, but a quick search of this thread shows: no instances of the word "intellect" (let alone "lacking intellect") except from you, nor any instances of the phrase "anti-vaxxer" except from you. There was the phrase "anti-vaxx" to describe a nurse (i.e. not you), and "non vaxxers" from someone else (i.e. not eagle2). It seems you are justifying your posts (at least partially) on events that simply didn't happen. Carry on.

eagle2
07-22-2021, 03:18 PM
Hospitalizations and cases in my state have been increasing due to the Delta variant. Today my city reported over 500 new cases.

I was going to go to LA for a concert this weekend. But not really feeling it. I've been hearing about fully vaccinated people having breakthrough infections and although I most likely won't die from covid, that doesn't mean I'm ok with getting it.

Ok. Back to Ladies Only I go, where we don't have to incite debates to get attention or siphon fuel from others...

LA recently issued a new mask mandate for all indoor public settings, due to millions of people there not having been vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/us/la-county-mask-mandate.html

Perhaps with this mandate, it will be safe to go to a concert.

Hope you'll continue to come here too.

moneybags
07-22-2021, 04:31 PM
Stay safe everyone and trust your inner guidance. I feel okay for right now working, but I’ll be prepared to go back online. Or I might only work in the club when I need the money.

miss.a.p1600
07-22-2021, 04:34 PM
Times like this call for multiple streams of income. If one line of work doesn’t feel safe then having a backup can ease those fears and help to stay healthy.

miss.a.p1600
07-22-2021, 04:37 PM
LA recently issued a new mask mandate for all indoor public settings, due to millions of people there not having been vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/us/la-county-mask-mandate.html

Perhaps with this mandate, it will be safe to go to a concert.

Hope you'll continue to come here too.

With the amount of times I’ve gone inside somewhere and some nasty joker started coughing, I’m glad I had my mask on AND I move away from them.

Im not discreet about that anymore. I assume they have bubonic plague and move accordingly.

eagle2
07-22-2021, 04:50 PM
Stay safe everyone and trust your inner guidance. I feel okay for right now working, but I’ll be prepared to go back online. Or I might only work in the club when I need the money.

If you're concerned about how safe your club is, would they allow you to wear a mask while you're working?

eagle2
07-22-2021, 05:03 PM
Perhaps you could wear a disposable medical masks for protection, and then something stylish over it. Maybe something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Ciana-Sparkly-Rhinestone-Bling-Mask-Sequin/dp/B08VHSD3XC/ref=asc_df_B08VHSD3XC/

https://i.imgur.com/ofwyR2E.jpg

LoveyD
07-22-2021, 06:06 PM
LA recently issued a new mask mandate for all indoor public settings, due to millions of people there not having been vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/us/la-county-mask-mandate.html

Perhaps with this mandate, it will be safe to go to a concert.

Hope you'll continue to come here too.


Thank you eagle! I didn't know LA recently issued a new mask mandate. Glad they did. I will probably wait until the band I want to see arrives in my neck of the woods this October. I just feel that right now isn't the right time to do concerts. Between the delta variant and the fact that my car needs a new timing belt and water pump, I will probably sit this one out this time.

Glad to hear LA is doing this, though. Hopefully they will do it in my city too.

LoveyD
07-22-2021, 06:07 PM
Perhaps you could wear a disposable medical masks for protection, and then something stylish over it. Maybe something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Ciana-Sparkly-Rhinestone-Bling-Mask-Sequin/dp/B08VHSD3XC/ref=asc_df_B08VHSD3XC/

https://i.imgur.com/ofwyR2E.jpg

This is cute. I need to get a "fancy" mask.

moneybags
07-22-2021, 06:30 PM
If you're concerned about how safe your club is, would they allow you to wear a mask while you're working?

I won’t make money babe. I’m vaccinated though. I’ve been told by other dancers wearing a mask significantly effects earnings. It’s mostly Republican men that come in, so because masks are politically charged I can’t. I’ll cam from home if I have to, but so far the vaccines are holding up.

eagle2
07-22-2021, 07:15 PM
I think you're safe, as long as you've been vaccinated.

eagle2
07-23-2021, 01:57 PM
Stay safe everyone and trust your inner guidance. I feel okay for right now working, but I’ll be prepared to go back online. Or I might only work in the club when I need the money.

I don't know if this is feasible for you, but if you're concerned about the virus being spread at your club, would you be able to travel to a state that doesn't have a lot of new cases? Here's a map I posted earlier, showing where the breakouts are happening. Right now it looks like the NE has a low level of new cases.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/967804/large/us0717.png

Again, if you're fully vaccinated, you should be okay, but if you have the option of dancing in an area where there are fewer cases, you're far less likely to even be exposed to the virus.

TheBrownFox
07-24-2021, 01:18 AM
Not to speak/type for others, but a quick search of this thread shows: no instances of the word "intellect" (let alone "lacking intellect") except from you, nor any instances of the phrase "anti-vaxxer" except from you. There was the phrase "anti-vaxx" to describe a nurse (i.e. not you), and "non vaxxers" from someone else (i.e. not eagle2). It seems you are justifying your posts (at least partially) on events that simply didn't happen. Carry on.


YUP. I must be really bored, because I went through this entire thread...and dpackrkk is spot on. Eagle hasn't said any of those things. Let's refer to post #68 (Rick's post). Oh, look...a screenshot! :) There's also another member in this thread who keeps using the expression "You know who." And no, that's not eagle2 either.

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eagle2
07-24-2021, 12:40 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/969028/large/219155333_10114875654999950_2763245223832044023_n. jpg

CFMNH44
07-25-2021, 03:54 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/oqoceu/oc_covid19_vaccination_in_europe_as_of_23072021/

CFMNH44
07-25-2021, 03:55 AM
If you're into data:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/oqdud5/infographic_from_the_ft_explaining_how_40_of/

Bahuba
07-26-2021, 05:35 AM
I try to stay with the science but this delta variant has me and everyone else rattled. I have two Moderna, but it is breaking through apparently. I'm in Eurasia now but when I get back I am going to cancel travel for two months.

Eric Stoner
07-26-2021, 08:24 AM
Rick - Given the latest numbers from Florida, your arguments against getting vaccinated are taking on water. Florida has an overwhelming number of new cases and they are almost all among the UNvaccinated.
The latest numbers I have are that 94 % of new cases ( almost all Delta variant btw ) are among UNvaccinated people.
And while the young and healthy are low risk there have been some deaths in those 35 and younger. Some without any apparent co-morbidities.

While there is still no reason to panic I really think that as many people as possible ought to be vaccinated. Some employers are putting their foot down and insisting their employees get vaccinated including the City of New York. Of course the unions are pushing back saying it's subject to collective bargaining. The NFL has said that any team that causes a postponement based on Covid will forfeit and players will not be paid.

The latest numbers from NYC show that whites are 70% fully vaccinated. Among African Americans it is less than 40 % so it can't be blamed on "you know who " or Fox News. Latinos fall somewhere between the two. Asians in NYC are over 80% fully vaccinated.

dpacrkk
07-26-2021, 11:40 AM
among African Americans it is less than 40 % so it can't be blamed on "you know who " or Fox News.

Imagine thinking there's only one cause for a result, that two cohorts can't have anything in common, and that members of a given ethnicity are monolithic...

miss.a.p1600
07-26-2021, 12:59 PM
Rick - Given the latest numbers from Florida, your arguments against getting vaccinated are taking on water. Florida has an overwhelming number of new cases and they are almost all among the UNvaccinated.
The latest numbers I have are that 94 % of new cases ( almost all Delta variant btw ) are among UNvaccinated people.
And while the young and healthy are low risk there have been some deaths in those 35 and younger. Some without any apparent co-morbidities.

While there is still no reason to panic I really think that as many people as possible ought to be vaccinated. Some employers are putting their foot down and insisting their employees get vaccinated including the City of New York. Of course the unions are pushing back saying it's subject to collective bargaining. The NFL has said that any team that causes a postponement based on Covid will forfeit and players will not be paid.

The latest numbers from NYC show that whites are 70% fully vaccinated. among African Americans it is less than 40 % so it can't be blamed on "you know who " or Fox News. Latinos fall somewhere between the two. Asians in NYC are over 80% fully vaccinated.

You’ve got to be a role model for your community

rickdugan
07-27-2021, 04:47 AM
Rick - Given the latest numbers from Florida, your arguments against getting vaccinated are taking on water. Florida has an overwhelming number of new cases and they are almost all among the UNvaccinated.
The latest numbers I have are that 94 % of new cases ( almost all Delta variant btw ) are among UNvaccinated people.
And while the young and healthy are low risk there have been some deaths in those 35 and younger. Some without any apparent co-morbidities.

While there is still no reason to panic I really think that as many people as possible ought to be vaccinated. Some employers are putting their foot down and insisting their employees get vaccinated including the City of New York. Of course the unions are pushing back saying it's subject to collective bargaining. The NFL has said that any team that causes a postponement based on Covid will forfeit and players will not be paid.

The latest numbers from NYC show that whites are 70% fully vaccinated. among African Americans it is less than 40 % so it can't be blamed on "you know who " or Fox News. Latinos fall somewhere between the two. Asians in NYC are over 80% fully vaccinated.

Since when have I argued against anyone getting vaccinated? I don't think you'll find a single statement from me anywhere on this board discouraging anyone from making that choice. Indeed in a couple of threads I mentioned that I strongly encouraged my wife to get vaccinated (which she did) because she is higher risk.

All I have done is to discuss my personal calculus, most especially pertaining to my kids. Of course almost all the new cases are among the unvaccinated. The question becomes: How much do healthy young people and parents to adolescents really have to worry about spread numbers? Hyperventilating over spread numbers for something that isn't very dangerous to young people is how we got misguided and horribly damaging lockdowns. I won't let the same unreasoning fear mentality lead me to make choices that I'm not yet convinced are in the best interest of my children.

Eric Stoner
07-27-2021, 07:17 AM
Since when have I argued against anyone getting vaccinated? I don't think you'll find a single statement from me anywhere on this board discouraging anyone from making that choice. Indeed in a couple of threads I mentioned that I strongly encouraged my wife to get vaccinated (which she did) because she is higher risk.

All I have done is to discuss my personal calculus, most especially pertaining to my kids. Of course almost all the new cases are among the unvaccinated. The question becomes: How much do healthy young people and parents to adolescents really have to worry about spread numbers? Hyperventilating over spread numbers for something that isn't very dangerous to young people is how we got misguided and horribly damaging lockdowns. I won't let the same unreasoning fear mentality lead me to make choices that I'm not yet convinced are in the best interest of my children.

All true but you can't pick and choose who gets infected from whom. We AGREE that children are at low risk for getting infected and getting sick BUT they can infect others.

Eric Stoner
07-27-2021, 07:18 AM
Imagine thinking there's only one cause for a result, that two cohorts can't have anything in common, and that members of a given ethnicity are monolithic...

Fine and dandy. Please tell that to the media and some notable names who love to blame "you know who " and
Fox News for any and every negative event or trend.

rickdugan
07-27-2021, 07:31 AM
All true but you can't pick and choose who gets infected from whom. We AGREE that children are at low risk for getting infected and getting sick BUT they can infect others.

This is getting circular now. However many ways you approach it, we will eventually always arrive at the same place, which is a philosophical disagreement over whether I'm obligated to give my children a new vaccine for the benefit of others. My thoughts on this, including the underlying rationale for my decision, are amply discussed above.

As you aptly pointed out, the grown adults who are getting sick now chose not to protect themselves. I feel no moral or social obligation to give my kids a new vaccine with no long-term track record so that grown adults can avoid the consequences of making that same choice, especially when the virus is not dangerous to my kids. The gown adult made his/her own choice and can live with the consequences - or not as the case may be.

Eric Stoner
07-27-2021, 10:04 AM
This is getting circular now. However many ways you approach it, we will eventually always arrive at the same place, which is a philosophical disagreement over whether I'm obligated to give my children a new vaccine for the benefit of others. My thoughts on this, including the underlying rationale for my decision, are amply discussed above.

As you aptly pointed out, the grown adults who are getting sick now chose not to protect themselves. I feel no moral or social obligation to give my kids a new vaccine with no long-term track record so that grown adults can avoid the consequences of making that same choice, especially when the virus is not dangerous to my kids. The gown adult made his/her own choice and can live with the consequences - or not as the case may be.

Come on now Rick. That is the same sort of factual cherry picking for which you and I so often take Eagle to task. The Delta variant is a breakthrough infection i.e. those who previously had Covid and some who are fully vaxxed are getting it. I will agree with you that very few of them are getting seriously ill ; very few are being hospitalized and almost none are dying.

I live in NYC and this a hot topic to put it mildly. Less than half the NYPD has been vaccinated. A LOT of them ( like 1/3 ) actually tested positive last year. There were days last year when the police manpower was seriously affected thanks to Covid. The Fire Dept. is a little more than half vaccinated. Likewise a lot of them tested positive last year. In one of his few lucid intervals DeBlasio is requiring anyone working with patients to get vaccinated. City workers have a choice : Get vaccinated or get tested every week. And of course the unions are pushing back. A number of private employers are requiring vaccination. According to employment lawyers they are free to do so and can terminate the noncompliant.

rickdugan
07-27-2021, 10:49 AM
Come on now Rick. That is the same sort of factual cherry picking for which you and I so often take Eagle to task. The Delta variant is a breakthrough infection i.e. those who previously had Covid and some who are fully vaxxed are getting it. I will agree with you that very few of them are getting seriously ill ; very few are being hospitalized and almost none are dying.

I live in NYC and this a hot topic to put it mildly. Less than half the NYPD has been vaccinated. A LOT of them ( like 1/3 ) actually tested positive last year. There were days last year when the police manpower was seriously affected thanks to Covid. The Fire Dept. is a little more than half vaccinated. Likewise a lot of them tested positive last year. In one of his few lucid intervals DeBlasio is requiring anyone working with patients to get vaccinated. City workers have a choice : Get vaccinated or get tested every week. And of course the unions are pushing back. A number of private employers are requiring vaccination. According to employment lawyers they are free to do so and can terminate the noncompliant.

Actually my thinking is crystal clear and quite holistic. You are the one splitting hairs over my definition of "getting sick." Yes the Delta variant has infected some vaccinated, but we agree overall that it has still shielded them getting especially sick.

Which brings us right back in yet another circle to the same point once again - some theoretically moral or social obligation to put something in my kids that is unnecessary for their own health just to protect grown adults who refuse to do the same. You spin me right round Eric right round...:thanx:

I'll pass, at least until there is some long-term data on the effects of the vaccine (including the gene delivery mechanism) upon developing bodies. Btw a solid majority of parents of adolescents are doing the same and many are even vaccinating themselves while they hold off with their young healthy kids.

Eric Stoner
07-27-2021, 11:16 AM
Time to practice what I preach. We will have to agree to disagree.

eagle2
07-27-2021, 12:34 PM
Come on now Rick. That is the same sort of factual cherry picking for which you and I so often take Eagle to task.

Please stop with your condescending personal attacks. I accurately present the facts in my posts, and unlike you, I provide references and links. You just don't like the facts I present, and you will often deny facts you don't like, even when they're presented to you on video, right in front of your face.

miss.a.p1600
07-27-2021, 01:34 PM
Come on now Rick. That is the same sort of factual cherry picking for which you and I so often take Eagle to task. The Delta variant is a breakthrough infection i.e. those who previously had Covid and some who are fully vaxxed are getting it. I will agree with you that very few of them are getting seriously ill ; very few are being hospitalized and almost none are dying.

I live in NYC and this a hot topic to put it mildly. Less than half the NYPD has been vaccinated. A LOT of them ( like 1/3 ) actually tested positive last year. There were days last year when the police manpower was seriously affected thanks to Covid. The Fire Dept. is a little more than half vaccinated. Likewise a lot of them tested positive last year. In one of his few lucid intervals DeBlasio is requiring anyone working with patients to get vaccinated. City workers have a choice : Get vaccinated or get tested every week. And of course the unions are pushing back. A number of private employers are requiring vaccination. According to employment lawyers they are free to do so and can terminate the noncompliant.

I feel this should be the standard for schools n universities as well.

Don’t want to get vaccine or wear a mask. Fine but you’ll be required to test regularly…..at your expense. Cause Mfs waltzing around spreading disease n contributing to pandemic numbers rising is not okay.

yes they should be kicked out/terminated because it’s not rocket science. Community environments like schools, churches, places of employment, etc are cesspools for pathogens

If people don’t want their offspring to wear masks or get vaccine then they need to agree to regular testing or simply homeschool.

TheBrownFox
07-27-2021, 04:21 PM
Please stop with your condescending personal attacks. I accurately present the facts in my posts, and unlike you, I provide references and links. You just don't like the facts I present, and you will often deny facts you don't like, even when they're presented to you on video, right in front of your face.


Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that and thought Eric was being condescending as fuck. There was no need for him to toss your name into his lil' quarrel with his buddy Rick.
Also, everyone take a drink every time Eric says "You know who." :P

xxxGothBarbie
07-27-2021, 06:27 PM
Here's where the outbreaks are occurring:

https://images.dailykos.com/images/967804/large/us0717.png

Wow what a shocker.... mostly southern & midwest states where ignorance overrides logic & mask wearing /getting vaxxed isn't a thing...... SMDH

xxxGothBarbie
07-27-2021, 06:30 PM
A friend of mine told me about this article she read about a woman fully vaxxed in New Orleans that was a break through case that caught it & died a few days later. Scary shit guys :( ......

LoveyD
07-27-2021, 07:34 PM
^^It is scary. This virus is not playing.

xxxGothBarbie
07-27-2021, 08:41 PM
A friend of mine told me about this article she read about a woman fully vaxxed in New Orleans that was a break through case that caught it & died a few days later. Scary shit guys :( ......

Edit: The woman was obese but still, this virus isn't fucking around & neither should you!

eagle2
07-27-2021, 08:52 PM
Wow what a shocker.... mostly southern & midwest states where ignorance overrides logic & mask wearing /getting vaxxed isn't a thing...... SMDH

In Missouri, the anti-vaxx stupidity, ignorance and intolerance is so bad, that people are disguising themselves when they go to get vaccinated, so no one will know.

https://www.audacy.com/kmox/news/state/missouri-residents-are-disguising-themselves-to-get-vaccines

xxxGothBarbie
07-27-2021, 09:23 PM
In Missouri, the anti-vaxx stupidity, ignorance and intolerance is so bad, that people are disguising themselves when they go to get vaccinated, so no one will know.

https://www.audacy.com/kmox/news/state/missouri-residents-are-disguising-themselves-to-get-vaccines

It's those idiots I will forever blame for this variant getting out of control! Pisses me off so much bc we were doing great then bc people for whatever selfish reason refused to get vaxxed has caused yet another surge & scare into vaxxed folks. Why should we (vaccinated people) have to suffer for the stupidity of the unvaxxers?!?

CFMNH44
07-27-2021, 09:37 PM
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/at-texas-childrens-some-kids-with-covid-need-ventilators-11610665

Houston’s Texas Children’s Hospital has also seen a disconcerting uptick in the number of sick kids laid low by Delta in recent weeks.
Despite the popular misconception that children who get COVID-19 never have severe symptoms and can easily shake the disease, in some instances, kids admitted to Texas Children’s with the coronavirus have landed in intensive care. Some have even been placed on ventilators.

... still no authorized vaccines for use in children younger than 12 in the United States ...


Texas Children’s Hospital system has treated over 150 cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome, also known as MIS-C, the rare COVID-related condition first identified in May 2020 that can cause dangerous inflammation of the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes and other internal organs according to the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html#:~:text=Multisystem%20Inflammatory%20Syndro me-,For%20Parents%3A%20Multisystem%20Inflammatory%20S yndrome%20in%20Children%20(MIS%2D,C)%20associated% 20with%20COVID%2D19&text=Multisystem%20inflammatory%20syndrome%20in%20 children%20(MIS%2DC)%20is%20a,%2C%20eyes%2C%20or%2 0gastrointestinal%20organs.).
“These children may have a very mild course initially, and mild to minimal symptoms, and may present three to six seeks later with a severe [case of] MIS-C,”

dpacrkk
07-28-2021, 05:48 AM
Fine and dandy. Please tell that to the media and some notable names who love to blame "you know who " and
Fox News for any and every negative event or trend.

This is only applicable if "the media" only ever attribute vaccine hesistancy to "you know who" and Fox News, or if you want to contend that absolutely zero people cite either as a reason. Otherwise it's just, you know, reporting the news...

Eric Stoner
07-28-2021, 07:22 AM
Please stop with your condescending personal attacks. I accurately present the facts in my posts, and unlike you, I provide references and links. You just don't like the facts I present, and you will often deny facts you don't like, even when they're presented to you on video, right in front of your face.

Would you prefer "selectivity" ? "Incomplete presentation " ? And why are you having a conniption ? Where is the condescension ? Or even a personal attack ? Unless you were trying to bait me into responding in kind ? Which I decline to do. You post the facts that support your argument and I do likewise. That is surprising or unfair , how ?

I too try and present the facts as accurately as I can. I DO provide sources. You continually complain about facts I post; often when the sources are government agencies. By your video reference I assume you are referring to a certain former public official allegedly telling people to ingest disinfectants. I WATCHED and LISTENED to the video and (for the LAST time !) that is NOT what he said. Now can we please give that one , at least , a rest ?

YOU have called me and other posters "ignorant" and claimed that we are blinded by "ideology". And you are supposed to be above such things ?
Now please try to relax. Take a deep breath and have a great day.

Eric Stoner
07-28-2021, 07:24 AM
Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that and thought Eric was being condescending as fuck. There was no need for him to toss your name into his lil' quarrel with his buddy Rick.
Also, everyone take a drink every time Eric says "You know who." :P

Do I get a royalty lol ?

I am TRYING to avoid being ( God help us ! ) political.

Eric Stoner
07-28-2021, 07:33 AM
This is only applicable if "the media" only ever attribute vaccine hesistancy to "you know who" and Fox News, or if you want to contend that absolutely zero people cite either as a reason. Otherwise it's just, you know, reporting the news...

Hmmmm. Are there people out there incapable of thinking for themselves ; reading for themselves and following the LATEST science in making important decisions such as whether or not to get vaccinated ? I'm sure there are. If Sean Hannity advocated drinking their own urine I'm sure some would try it. So what ? If you actually LOOK at WHO is not getting vaccinated it is not ( for the most part ) Fox News viewers. The unvaccinated are actually concentrated in Blue Cities in Blue States. NYC is barely 50% fully vaccinated. More importantly , the Fox hosts have advocated getting vaccinated EXCEPT for young children and for those who have had Covid. Rick and I have batted the issue of the former back and forth and as to the latter , the evidence is clear that they ought to get vaccinated as well.

That being said, there ARE those who work for other media outlets trying to spread the canard that Fox News and " he who is best not mentioned by name " are telling people not to get vaccinated. It is passing strange when the latter loves to brag and grab all the credit for the fact that we have vaccines to argue about getting.

indiegirl
07-28-2021, 07:37 AM
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Just deciding to troll this morning on this thread. Back to the covid topic guys :)