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LoveyD
07-28-2021, 12:03 PM
It's those idiots I will forever blame for this variant getting out of control! Pisses me off so much bc we were doing great then bc people for whatever selfish reason refused to get vaxxed has caused yet another surge & scare into vaxxed folks. Why should we (vaccinated people) have to suffer for the stupidity of the unvaxxers?!?

I feel this too. Stupid fuckin' people. They'll whine that the vaccine is too experimental and they don't want to put it in their bodies, yet they'll go and smoke cigarettes and do meth and drink beer and eat fast food, etc. Then when they get covid, they demand meds that are *also* experimental and approved only for emergency use. They're so stupid.

We went through the trouble to get vaccinated and these morons go and fuck everything up!

Wish they virus was contained to only these idiots, but sadly, viruses don't work that way and everyone who has been smart and taking precautions is now affected too. Because people suck.

miss.a.p1600
07-28-2021, 01:21 PM
^LOL!!!! Not meth…….

LoveyD
07-28-2021, 01:45 PM
I find it funny that people actually disguise themselves when getting vaccinated. What is the deal with this? There's no shame in getting the vaccine. There's more shame in not getting it imo.

xxxGothBarbie
07-28-2021, 01:49 PM
I find it funny that people actually disguise themselves when getting vaccinated. What is the deal with this? There's no shame in getting the vaccine. There's more shame in not getting it imo.

Girl omfg I was reading my ex's posts about anti vax (which he is) *eyeroll* & you wouldn't believe the shit these fucktards actually believe LOL One moron was saying that all of us vaxxers are gonna be dead with a year or so of heart failure bc thats what mrna does LMAO ya ok dude.... This is just one giant conspiracy to kill off everyone bc the governmnt doesn't need us alive or anything LOL wtf?!

Even if that was true, I'll take my chances with the vaxx over this virus any dam day!

LoveyD
07-28-2021, 02:24 PM
^^^ If the government didn't need us alive, then wouldn't they just allow us to get covid and die?

I swear, some guys won't get the vaccine because they can't take the humiliation of the needle being bigger than their dicks.

TheBrownFox
07-28-2021, 02:30 PM
Do I get a royalty lol ?


No, just a bunch of eyerolls. Lol.

TheBrownFox
07-28-2021, 02:39 PM
I find it funny that people actually disguise themselves when getting vaccinated. What is the deal with this? There's no shame in getting the vaccine. There's more shame in not getting it imo.

This. If it was me, I'd respond just like the Seinfeld character 'David Puddy' when someone asked me "You got the vaccine?!" I'd smile proudly and be like "Yeah, that's right!" :rotfl:


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eagle2
07-28-2021, 08:40 PM
Hmmmm. Are there people out there incapable of thinking for themselves ; reading for themselves and following the LATEST science in making important decisions such as whether or not to get vaccinated ? I'm sure there are. If Sean Hannity advocated drinking their own urine I'm sure some would try it. So what ? If you actually LOOK at WHO is not getting vaccinated it is not ( for the most part ) Fox News viewers. The unvaccinated are actually concentrated in Blue Cities in Blue States. NYC is barely 50% fully vaccinated. More importantly , the Fox hosts have advocated getting vaccinated EXCEPT for young children and for those who have had Covid. Rick and I have batted the issue of the former back and forth and as to the latter , the evidence is clear that they ought to get vaccinated as well.

That being said, there ARE those who work for other media outlets trying to spread the canard that Fox News and " he who is best not mentioned by name " are telling people not to get vaccinated. It is passing strange when the latter loves to brag and grab all the credit for the fact that we have vaccines to argue about getting.

Where do you get your (mis)information from? There are approximately 27 states where less than 50% are fully vaccinated, and all but 3 or 4 are red states. All 10 of the states with the lowest vaccination rates are red. All 10 of the states with the highest vaccination rates are blue.

https://www.google.com/search?q=u+s+covid+vaccination+rate+by+state

Fox News and other right-wing "news" outlets ARE trying to discourage people from getting vaccinated. It's on video. Of course, even being on video doesn't make any difference to you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJufOyAbis

eagle2
07-28-2021, 08:49 PM
Fox News has been lying about and downplaying the virus since day one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o&

rickdugan
07-29-2021, 06:14 AM
Again, I won't tell people what to fear - it is an emotional reaction that is not always rational. But once again let's keep in mind who this site is geared towards, which are young healthy women who: (1) are not in a lot of danger from this virus as a group; and (2) make their living doing pretty much everything that the CDC discourages, including close maskless contact with others.

By all means encourage vaccinations. But let's tone down the hyperventilating about those who are not vaccinated, which, if the rate numbers are any indicator, likely includes a solid majority of active dancers. Throwing around labels that apply to a majority of the population that this site purportedly serves is neither productive nor conducive to growing site participation.

A couple of the worst perpetrators on here are the same people who were actually cheerleading multi-month club closures a year ago and criticizing states that were opening them back up early. Guess what - thousands of dancers in those states didn't agree with you then and likely many more thousands don't agree with your fear messaging now. Whether you agree or disagree, you might want to consider toning down the melodramatic hyperbole and links to crazy town on off stories. This site is dedicated to supporting a diverse group of dancers, not the emotional needs of a handful of vocal participants (most if not all non-dancers) with strong political views and a desire to use this board for messaging purposes.

Eric Stoner
07-29-2021, 08:26 AM
I watched the videos and they are mostly factually incomplete and cherry picked Fox bashing by a competitor with lousy ratings. There has not been any campaign by Fox or its talking heads telling the GENERAL public not to get vaccinated. There have been questions raised about whether or not we ought to COMPEL children to get vaccinated. Btw, "children" defined as those under 18. There was also some blatant fear mongering over door to door outreach to encourage folks to get vaccinated. I don't have a problem with that. Since the latest numbers say that only 22% of African Americans have been vaccinated and only 8 to 9 % of those crossing our Southern border have had their shots then that seems to be good places for such outreach to start. Most of those border crossers have refused to be vaccinated.

Newsmax is NOT Fox and whoever Rob Schmitt is, he seems to be an idiot. I don't watch Newsmax and from what little I know it appears to be a doctrinaire haven for factual delinquency and half truths.

Of our death toll of 607,000 almost none were vaccinated. They weren't widely available when most of those people got sick and died. A LOT of those people were elderly residents of nursing homes. Governors like Cuomo and Whitmer not only did not protect those people but ordered Covid patients to be put back into those facilities. Which lacked trained staff and equipment to deal with Covid carriers. I am sure that CNN's silence about that aspect of the Covid epidemic has nothing to do with the fact that Chris Cuomo works for them.

I don't know what you are getting so hot and bothered about. If you don't like Fox , don't watch it. If you think they are spreading misinformation then go picket their headquarters. I've been vaccinated and I think everyone else should do so unless they have a sound reason not to. The jury is out as to the effectiveness of vaccinating children. Since I don't see the harm ( except for a very few recipients of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine ) and do see the benefits of vaccinating as many people as possible I don't have a problem with teenagers getting vaccinated.

Two groups of people have actually been vaccine resistant that are supposedly at high risk. Flight attendants and teachers. If they and their unions really , really want them to be protected from Covid then why are they not encouraging their members to get vaccinated ? If almost nobody who is vaccinated is getting sick enough to be hospitalized and there have been literally a handful of deaths among the vaccinated then why are they focused on mask wearing ?

Fox also regularly has people like Alex Berenson and medical doctors like Harvey Risch at Harvard who question SOME of the conventional wisdom surrounding Covid. ( Why don't you expose yourself to some educated , fact based critiques of Fauci , the CDC , various politicians and most of the media by people that know far more than you or I ? There is a lot of peer reviewed , stuff out there in reputable apolitical sources. ) Berenson used to write for the New York Times and he's a LIBERAL ! I think you will concede that science is not static. It changes along with facts and data. Fauci being Exhibit A. I'm sure you'll agree that his pronouncements and recommendations went through a LOT of major changes as the Covid crisis unfolded and he hasn't gotten much better. The nitwit in charge of the CDC ( Dr. Walensky )has said several times that more children are dying from Covid than from the flu. In reality it is the converse. More children have died over the last two years from the flu than from Covid. ( Should we compel them and their families to get flu shots ? ) Most of the children who got sick and died WITH Covid had at least one serious co-morbidity , like leukemia. I'm sure you know that Chemo seriously damages the immune system. Many others were diabetic and /or morbidly obese which is why I say they died WITH Covid instead of FROM Covid. THAT has fed the hysteria ( according to some ) or at least overreaction ( according to me and a LOT of scientists , doctors and writers with major experience analyzing medical data with training, expertise and experience far greater than yours or mine ). 100 MILLION Americans have had Covid according to the stats. All it means is that they tested positive for exposure to the virus. However if we look at deaths and hospitalizations the numbers are much , much lower. I have argued that those are the numbers that really count and where our focus ought to be.

Fox has also questioned the latest hysteria over the Delta variant. They have probably looked at the same numbers that you and I have and noted that if you are vaccinated you are almost guaranteed not to get sick let alone be hospitalized or worse yet, die. Rather than focusing on protecting the vulnerable and encouraging vaccination we instead have had a return to the mask fetish. YOUR video Eagle , the one YOU posted on here shows that masks have limited effectiveness. Except for the N95 and high quality medical/surgical masks. Vaccination is far more effective. Fox is also pushing back against those chomping at the bit to reimpose shutdowns and lockdowns. They have reminded people that when first instituted they were supposed to be TEMPORARY, SHORT TERM measures to "stop the spread" and "bend the curve". Instead we got economic devastation from lockdowns lasting a year or more with little tangible return for all our suffering. We could have and should have followed the Swedish example. I am NOT trying to reopen debate on Sweden. You have your view of the numbers and I have mine. We also had educational devastation , especially in our cities where children ( heavily minority ) were not able to attend in person classes for over a year.

For some reason you seem to be fixated on trying tar me with the same brush you are using on Fox. I don't know why. I don't watch Hannity. I can't stand him and think he is a horse's ass. I do watch Tucker and Laura on occasion. Partly because they both seem to have something all too rare these days. An open mind.

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 09:46 AM
I watched the videos and they are mostly factually incomplete and cherry picked Fox bashing by a competitor with lousy ratings. There has not been any campaign by Fox or its talking heads telling the GENERAL public not to get vaccinated. There have been questions raised about whether or not we ought to COMPEL children to get vaccinated. Btw, "children" defined as those under 18. There was also some blatant fear mongering over door to door to outreach to encourage folks to get vaccinated. I don't have a problem with that. Since the latest numbers say that only 22% of African Americans have been vaccinated and only 8 to 9 % of those crossing our Southern border have had their shots then that seems to be good places for such outreach to start. Most of those border crossers have refused to be vaccinated.

Newsmax is NOT Fox and whoever Rob Schmitt is, he seems to be an idiot. I don't watch Newsmax and from what little I know it appears to be a doctrinaire haven for factual delinquency and half truths.

Of our death toll of 607,000 almost none were vaccinated. They weren't widely available when most of those people got sick and died. A LOT of those people were elderly residents of nursing homes. Governors like Cuomo and Whitmer not only did not protect those people but ordered Covid patients to be put back into those facilities. Which lacked trained staff and equipment to deal with Covid carriers. I am sure that CNN's silence about that aspect of the Covid epidemic has nothing to do with the fact that Chris Cuomo works for them.

I don't know what you are getting so hot and bothered about. If you don't like Fox , don't watch it. If you think they are spreading misinformation then go picket their headquarters. I've been vaccinated and I think everyone else should do so unless they have a sound reason not to. The jury is out as to the effectiveness of vaccinating children. Since I don't see the harm ( except for a very few recipients of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine ) and do see the benefits of vaccinating as many people as possible I don't have a problem with teenagers getting vaccinated.

Two groups of people have actually been vaccine resistant that are supposedly at high risk. Flight attendants and teachers. If they and their unions really , really want them to be protected from Covid then why are they not encouraging their members to get vaccinated ? If almost nobody who is vaccinated is getting sick enough to be hospitalized and there have been literally a handful of deaths among the vaccinated then why are they focused on mask wearing ?

Fox also regularly has people like Alex Berenson and medical doctors like Harvey Risch at Harvard who question SOME of the conventional wisdom surrounding Covid. ( Why don't you expose yourself to some educated , fact based critiques of Fauci , the CDC , various politicians and most of the media by people that know far more than you or I ? There is a lot of peer reviewed , stuff out there in reputable apolitical sources. ) Berenson used to write for the New York Times and he's a LIBERAL ! I think you will concede that science is not static. It changes along with facts and data. Fauci being Exhibit A. I'm sure you'll agree that his pronouncements and recommendations went through a LOT of major changes as the Covid crisis unfolded and he hasn't gotten much better. The nitwit in charge of the CDC ( Dr. Walensky )has said several times that more children are dying from Covid than from the flu. In reality it is the converse. More children have died over the last two years from the flu than from Covid. ( Should we compel them and their families to get flu shots ? ) Most of the children who got sick and died WITH Covid had at least one serious co-morbidity , like leukemia. I'm sure you know that Chemo seriously damages the immune system. Many others were diabetic and /or morbidly obese which is why I say they died WITH Covid instead of FROM Covid. THAT has fed the hysteria ( according to some ) or at least overreaction ( according to me and a LOT scientists with training, expertise and experience far greater than yours or mine ). 100 MILLION Americans have had Covid according to the stats. All it means is that they tested positive for exposure to the virus. However if we look at deaths and hospitalizations the numbers are much , much lower. I have argued that those are the numbers that really count and where our focus ought to be.

Fox has also questioned the latest hysteria over the Delta variant. They have probably looked at the same numbers that you and I have and noted that if you are vaccinated you are almost guaranteed not to get sick let alone be hospitalized or worse yet, die. Rather than focusing on protecting the vulnerable and encouraging vaccination we instead have had a return to the mask fetish. YOUR video Eagle , the one YOU posted on here shows that masks have limited effectiveness. Except for the N95 and high quality medical/surgical masks. Vaccination is far more effective. Fox is also pushing back against those chomping at the bit to reimpose shutdowns and lockdowns. They have reminded people that when first instituted they were supposed to be TEMPORARY, SHORT TERM measures to "stop the spread" and "bend the curve". Instead we got economic devastation from lockdowns lasting a year or more with little tangible return for all our suffering. We could have and should have followed the Swedish example. I am NOT trying to reopen debate on Sweden. You have your view of the numbers and I have mine.

For some reason you seem to be fixated on trying tar me with the same brush you are using on Fox. I don't know why. I don't watch Hannity. I can't stand him and think he is a horse's ass. I do watch Tucker and Laura on occasion. Partly because they both seem to have something all too rare these days. An open mind.

Interesting.

So, when do you start your outreach efforts for your community?

Eric Stoner
07-29-2021, 10:21 AM
Where do you get your (mis)information from? There are approximately 27 states where less than 50% are fully vaccinated, and all but 3 or 4 are red states. All 10 of the states with the lowest vaccination rates are red. All 10 of the states with the highest vaccination rates are blue.

https://www.google.com/search?q=u+s+covid+vaccination+rate+by+state

Fox News and other right-wing "news" outlets ARE trying to discourage people from getting vaccinated. It's on video. Of course, even being on video doesn't make any difference to you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJufOyAbis

My numbers came from kff.org which got their numbers from the CDC. Since you apparently do not like the numbers please take it up with them.
The latest numbers say that 68.3 of all American adults have received at least one dose of vaccine. N.B. With the J & J vaccine one shot is all you get.
Of those vaccinated , 59% are White, 9% Black, 16% Hispanic and 6 % Asian and 1 % Other. That leaves 9% where the ethnicity is presumably not known. Kff.org also has state by state ethnic breakdowns for total Covid vaccinations, deaths and % of population. If you don't like their numbers please take it up with them and the CDC. Btw, the Fox campaign is not working well in the Black and Hispanic communities as both groups are increasing their share of total American vaccinations. Especially for the two weeks ending July 19.

Since California has re-imposed mask mandates it ought to be noted that .003 % of hospitalized patients WITH Covid (i.e. they tested positive) were fully vaccinated and of those almost none died. Those are California government numbers as of early July. If you don't like the numbers please call Gavin Newsome.

Eric Stoner
07-29-2021, 10:24 AM
Interesting.

So, when do you start your outreach efforts for your community?

What ? Could you please go a little slower ? Who is supposed to be "my community " ? Why not all Americans ? Or at least the most vulnerable who btw have the highest rates of getting vaccinated. Folks over 65 are about 90% vaccinated.

What are YOU doing to support vaccine outreach ?

I noted a possible discrepancy in the numbers so I rechecked the data. Back in MAY the CDC said that 22% of Blacks had gotten at least one shot. Kff.org quoting CDC numbers in JULY said over the last TWO WEEKS 14% of vaccinations had gone to Blacks.

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 11:13 AM
What ? Could you please go a little slower ? Who is supposed to be "my community " ? Why not all Americans ? Or at least the most vulnerable who btw have the highest rates of getting vaccinated. Folks over 65 are about 90% vaccinated.

What are YOU doing to support vaccine outreach ?

I noted a possible discrepancy in the numbers so I rechecked the data. Back in MAY the CDC said that 22% of Blacks had gotten at least one shot. Kff.org quoting CDC numbers in JULY said over the last TWO WEEKS 14% of vaccinations had gone to Blacks.

Stop playing coy Eric.

Are you in that 22% or are you shashaying around unvaccinated?

Eric Stoner
07-29-2021, 11:31 AM
I have REPEATEDLY posted that I am fully vaccinated. I have REPEATEDLY posted that imho all adults should get vaccinated unless they have a sound , science based , data driven reason not to. Afaic the vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. I think parents should encourage teens to get their shots. I am undecided about younger children.

And if we are really , really worried about a resurgence of Covid then someone please tell me why we are not requiring border crossers to either show that they are vaccinated or roll up their sleeves ? Instead we are letting them travel all over the country. Just wondering.

My race and/or ethnicity is totally irrelevant afaic. Why does it seem to matter to you ?

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 11:52 AM
I have REPEATEDLY posted that I am fully vaccinated. I have REPEATEDLY posted that imho all adults should get vaccinated unless they have a sound , science based , data driven reason not to. Afaic the vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. I think parents should encourage teens to get their shots. I am undecided about younger children.

And if we are really , really worried about a resurgence of Covid then someone please tell me why we are not requiring border crossers to either show that they are vaccinated or roll up their sleeves ? Instead we are letting them travel all over the country. Just wondering.

My race and/or ethnicity is totally irrelevant afaic. Why does it seem to matter to you ?

You seem particularly obsessed with Black people and their vaccination status.

I was just curious what you’ve done to be a leader for your people (the black community) as far as outreach efforts n whatnot.

It appears nothing.

So you’ve answered by not answering.

Thanks.

xxxGothBarbie
07-29-2021, 12:03 PM
I'm not sure if this is true or not but I saw an article yesterday saying that there will possibly be a decline in cases within 2 weeks? I wish I could find that article. Something about basic immunity to the delta & bc more people are getting vaccinated now? Has anyone else seen this?

eagle2
07-29-2021, 12:15 PM
My numbers came from kff.org which got their numbers from the CDC. Since you apparently do not like the numbers please take it up with them.
The latest numbers say that 68.3 of all American adults have received at least one dose of vaccine. N.B. With the J & J vaccine one shot is all you get.
Of those vaccinated , 59% are White, 9% Black, 16% Hispanic and 6 % Asian and 1 % Other. That leaves 9% where the ethnicity is presumably not known. Kff.org also has state by state ethnic breakdowns for total Covid vaccinations, deaths and % of population. If you don't like their numbers please take it up with them and the CDC. Btw, the Fox campaign is not working well in the Black and Hispanic communities as both groups are increasing their share of total American vaccinations. Especially for the two weeks ending July 19.

Since California has re-imposed mask mandates it ought to be noted that .003 % of hospitalized patients WITH Covid (i.e. they tested positive) were fully vaccinated and of those almost none died. Those are California government numbers as of early July. If you don't like the numbers please call Gavin Newsome.

I was referring to your statement, "The unvaccinated are actually concentrated in Blue Cities in Blue States."

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 12:20 PM
I mentioned earlier about masks indoors.

And the oh so lovely (insert sarcasm here) CDC is recommending even vaccinated people wear masks indoors especially if you’re in a hotspot.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/heres-a-map-of-the-covid-hot-spots-under-the-cdcs-new-mask-guidance.html

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 01:00 PM
Government needs to keep that money comin in!

Get paid to get vaccinated lol

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/565492-biden-calls-on-states-to-offer-100-vaccine-incentives

trustfundkiller
07-29-2021, 01:08 PM
I'm not sure if this is true or not but I saw an article yesterday saying that there will possibly be a decline in cases within 2 weeks? I wish I could find that article. Something about basic immunity to the delta & bc more people are getting vaccinated now? Has anyone else seen this?
I read that too! I think virus mutations and immune evasion is going to be a thing for a long time until more people get vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in. We'll just have to keep getting boosters and hopefully pharmaceuticals will be able to roll them out fast enough. I read that Pfizer efficacy drops to 83% within four months of receiving the vaccine, which scares me because I'm already 4 months into my vaccination.

xxxGothBarbie
07-29-2021, 01:18 PM
I read that too! I think virus mutations and immune evasion is going to be a thing for a long time until more people get vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in. We'll just have to keep getting boosters and hopefully pharmaceuticals will be able to roll them out fast enough. I read that Pfizer efficacy drops to 83% within four months of receiving the vaccine, which scares me because I'm already 4 months into my vaccination.

I read 6 months in a different article which is why the boosters are being tested now. I will def be getting one as soon as they are ready!

moneybags
07-29-2021, 02:10 PM
I’ve taken college micro and saw this a mile away!!!

I don’t think they the CDD is wrong on the science, but their leadership and messaging is shit!

All virus mutate that I know of, so people do realize this will become endemic disease-it’s not ever going away. At this point, we’re looking at herd immunity-natural or artificial.

kamiliam
07-29-2021, 02:22 PM
In my area bars and restaurants are now asking for vaccination proof for mask less entry. Many workers are getting sick while vaccinated, and many owners who themselves used to be waiters/bartenders are temporarily closing, by choice I might add.

I’m back to wearing my mask everywhere indoors.

miss.a.p1600
07-29-2021, 02:39 PM
^good.

I never trusted the CDC (In such a rush to “open back up”, appease the people who got vaccinated, etc) and kept mine on.

I remember a while back I posted about how chaotic it would be once they lifted mask restrictions. Like who was going to police n enforce that shit?

It was an haven for unsavory people who have no vaccine to traipse around maskless

Although I think those vaccine cards can be forged if someone really was desperate

trustfundkiller
07-29-2021, 02:39 PM
I read 6 months in a different article which is why the boosters are being tested now. I will def be getting one as soon as they are ready!
Me too! I'm really stressed out and concerned over this. I was so excited to go back to the club in a few months. I really hope they will have a booster out soon. I know this is how viruses work and we are still amply protected against the virus, but it's so disheartening. I was really starting to feel enthusiastic and hopeful about life again.

moneybags
07-29-2021, 03:11 PM
Me too! I'm really stressed out and concerned over this. I was so excited to go back to the club in a few months. I really hope they will have a booster out soon. I know this is how viruses work and we are still amply protected against the virus, but it's so disheartening. I was really starting to feel enthusiastic and hopeful about life again.

Me too! I really need the money too! I’ll probably work during the summer and stack some cash. Once I have a nice egg, I’ll transition to online for the winter.

If the state government isn’t doing anything to enforce masks then I’m not responsible for keeping unvaccinated and unmasked people safe. I’m not responsible for other people. Although, I do hope my coworkers get vaccinated. I know pressuring them won’t work, so I just try to encourage them.

We are interconnected, so what we do in one space effects others in all spaces. Humans only learn through pain. I wonder how much worse things will get before we realize we have to look out for one another.


My therapist suggested a get another shot and just not tell them. I wanna wait until they get an approved booster. I don’t think it’s a good idea to get another vaccine without it being studied.

eagle2
07-29-2021, 11:47 PM
I read that too! I think virus mutations and immune evasion is going to be a thing for a long time until more people get vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in. We'll just have to keep getting boosters and hopefully pharmaceuticals will be able to roll them out fast enough. I read that Pfizer efficacy drops to 83% within four months of receiving the vaccine, which scares me because I'm already 4 months into my vaccination.

I just read that it only drops to 83% within four months, for those over 60. Efficacy remained at 93 percent for people ages 40 to 59 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/28/pfizer-data-shows-vaccine-protection-remains-robust-six-months-after-vaccination-even-company-argues-that-boosters-will-be-needed/



Executives of the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer predicted Wednesday that vaccine boosters would soon be needed, a declaration that came on the same day the company published data showing that its coronavirus shots remained robustly protective six months after vaccination, providing nearly complete protection against severe disease. Hours later, Israeli health officials moved toward making boosters available for older residents.




The Israeli officials said protection against serious illness for those older than 60 who were vaccinated in January dropped from 97 percent to about 81 percent. For those older than 60 vaccinated in March, it fell to about 84 percent. They said efficacy remained at 93 percent for people ages 40 to 59 years.

eagle2
07-30-2021, 12:17 AM
Again, I won't tell people what to fear - it is an emotional reaction that is not always rational. But once again let's keep in mind who this site is geared towards, which are young healthy women who: (1) are not in a lot of danger from this virus as a group; and (2) make their living doing pretty much everything that the CDC discourages, including close maskless contact with others.


You are not a doctor. You are not a scientist. You do not have any special insight into the virus that nobody else does. You do not know the risk the virus poses to members of the forum. Please stop acting like you do.

eagle2
07-30-2021, 12:54 AM
With the Delta variant, more young people, including children, are being hospitalized.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/arkansas-covid-children/index.html



Arkansas Children's hospitals report a record number of children are hospitalized with Covid-19 as the illness continues to prey upon the state's unvaccinated population.

The hospitals, located in Little Rock and Springdale, said 24 pediatric patients were hospitalized with Covid-19 on Wednesday, a 50% increase over any previous peak during the pandemic. Of the 24 children, seven are in intensive care and two are on ventilators, the hospital said. More than half of them could have been vaccinated -- anyone 12 and over is eligible for a free shot -- but none of those hospitalized had done so.

"We're seeing a real surge with the Delta variant that we did not see previously," Dr. Rick Barr, chief clinical officer at Arkansas Children's Hospital, told CNN. "This is the worst that we've seen it for kids, absolutely."

rickdugan
07-30-2021, 05:16 AM
You are not a doctor. You are not a scientist. You do not have any special insight into the virus that nobody else does. You do not know the risk the virus poses to members of the forum. Please stop acting like you do.

There you go making those silly comments yet again. Since when does one need to be either to read widely available statistics published by the CDC and draw reasonable conclusions? Do you need a toilet paper engineer to tell you how to wipe your own ass? ::)

And while we're saying please, please stop posting on-off articles like the situations are commonplace or widespread. At best it's disingenuous and at worst it's a sign of severe challenges in critical thinking ability. If you have something supporting a differing widespread conclusion, such as CDC data, then have at it. But a dozen extra kids hospitalized in an Arkansas hospital or a few extra beds full in a tiny ICU in a rural MO county are not exactly indicative of widespread problems.

xxxGothBarbie
07-30-2021, 06:00 AM
People just need to pull their heads out of their asses and get the dam vaccine already! Too bad they won't force people to ;( you should be punished somehow for not receiving it imo at this rate. This shit has gone too far *smdh*

Bahuba
07-30-2021, 08:32 AM
Now I'm hearing that the CDC will release a study (according to Wash Post) that will say the vaccines are ineffective at restricting transmission but help with more positive outcomes for those who are vaccinated.

This means that in order to avoid transmission we must find another way, and we must help vulnerable people get vaccinated.

LoveyD
07-30-2021, 08:53 AM
In the last 30 days, my county reported 11,391 people had tested positive for COVID-19. Of those, close to 90%, or 10,234 were not vaccinated and 10%, or 1,157 people, were vaccinated.


People just need to pull their heads out of their asses and get the dam vaccine already! Too bad they won't force people to ;( you should be punished somehow for not receiving it imo at this rate. This shit has gone too far *smdh*

whirlerz
07-30-2021, 09:19 AM
People just need to pull their heads out of their asses and get the dam vaccine already! Too bad they won't force people to ;( you should be punished somehow for not receiving it imo at this rate. This shit has gone too far *smdh*


Now I'm hearing that the CDC will release a study (according to Wash Post) that will say the vaccines are ineffective at restricting transmission but help with more positive outcomes for those who are vaccinated.

This means that in order to avoid transmission we must find another way, and we must help vulnerable people get vaccinated.

This, & that^!

I have a friend that refuses to get vaxxed, he goes by his Fam's, pretty sure they're the same way. .


Don't want or need that type of exposure, Ive been since late May.

I wear a mask in stores, etc.

Vyanka
07-30-2021, 11:41 AM
There you go making those silly comments yet again. Since when does one need to be either to read widely available statistics published by the CDC and draw reasonable conclusions? Do you need a toilet paper engineer to tell you how to wipe your own ass? ::)

And while we're saying please, please stop posting on-off articles like the situations are commonplace or widespread. At best it's disingenuous and at worst it's a sign of severe challenges in critical thinking ability. If you have something supporting a differing widespread conclusion, such as CDC data, then have at it. But a dozen extra kids hospitalized in an Arkansas hospital or a few extra beds full in a tiny ICU in a rural MO county are not exactly indicative of widespread problems.


He's right. You don't. You keep saying this doesn't affect young healthy ppl when that is completely false.

eagle2
07-30-2021, 12:02 PM
I'm not even going to bother responding to his personal attacks. I'm just going to report him to the mods.

TheBrownFox
07-30-2021, 12:15 PM
I'm not even going to bother responding to his personal attacks. I'm just going to report him to the mods.


That's very mature of you. I've reported posts recently, and all the mod did was lock a perfectly good thread (Instead of dealing with the individual/s)...and then create a brand new thread (This one...lol) to talk about the same thing. Lol. As I predicted, nothing has changed and nothing will change as long as the same individual(s) are free to continue with the personal attacks and bait posts on here.

miss.a.p1600
07-30-2021, 12:17 PM
That's very mature of you. I've reported posts recently, and all the mod did was lock a perfectly good thread (Instead of dealing with the individual/s)...and then create a brand new thread (This one...lol) to talk about the same thing. Lol. As I predicted, nothing has changed and nothing will change as long as the same individual(s) are free to continue with the personal attacks and bait posts on here.

^when it trolls the forums. It will intentionally argue n provoke n bait until thread is locked.

That’s it’s MO

It orgasms off the free virtual arguments. Deny it the orgasm that it craves.

trustfundkiller
07-30-2021, 12:17 PM
People just need to pull their heads out of their asses and get the dam vaccine already! Too bad they won't force people to ;( you should be punished somehow for not receiving it imo at this rate. This shit has gone too far *smdh*
I agree. At this point it's more of a public safety issue than a personal medical choice. It's punishable by law not to wear a seatbelt. It should be the same for people who are selfishly choosing not to get the vaccine despite all logic and common sense.

miss.a.p1600
07-30-2021, 12:23 PM
I agree. At this point it's more of a public safety issue than a personal medical choice. It's punishable by law not to wear a seatbelt. It should be the same for people who are selfishly choosing not to get the vaccine despite all logic and common sense.


I agree. At this point it's more of a public safety issue than a personal medical choice. It's punishable by law not to wear a seatbelt. It should be the same for people who are selfishly choosing not to get the vaccine despite all logic and common sense.

Pretty much the same people complaining about lockdowns (prevaccine) yet would be out at mass gatherings, with "sniffles" n cough, spreading their pathogens whilst wearing with no mask

eagle2
07-30-2021, 12:25 PM
I agree. At this point it's more of a public safety issue than a personal medical choice. It's punishable by law not to wear a seatbelt. It should be the same for people who are selfishly choosing not to get the vaccine despite all logic and common sense.

At the minimum, all public places should require proof of vaccination before allowing anyone to enter.

TheBrownFox
07-30-2021, 01:21 PM
^when it trolls the forums. It will intentionally argue n provoke n bait until thread is locked.

That’s it’s MO

It orgasms off the free virtual arguments. Deny it the orgasm that it craves.


Yup, and this is what I told you a while back in a different thread (How they operate). Which is why I hardly talk to "it" directly. I usually sit back and watch the rest of y'all interacting with "it." Lol.

miss.a.p1600
07-30-2021, 01:34 PM
At the minimum, all public places should require proof of vaccination before allowing anyone to enter.


^ they should but they won’t. Maybe private gatherings could.

Just like how people found a way to create fake DL to get into bars, people will find a way to be petty n reckless n create fake vaccine cards to get in wherever they want to go.

Plus I’d think it would have to be a federal law but with all the states n counties all on different pages it will be a challenge I’d think.

whirlerz
07-30-2021, 02:18 PM
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases

LoveyD
07-30-2021, 02:23 PM
Pretty much the same people complaining about lockdowns (prevaccine) yet would be out at mass gatherings, with "sniffles" n cough, spreading their pathogens whilst wearing with no mask


Yep. They don't want the vaccine, or to wear masks, or stay home. It's all ME ME ME. They're so gross.

trustfundkiller
07-30-2021, 02:45 PM
I just saw that Disney is now requiring all employees to be vaccinated. Those are are unvaccinated will have 60 days to do so and those working from home will have to submit proof of vaccination before returning to the workplace. Good on them. Stop making it easy on these unvaxxed clowns. Make it so difficult to be a part of everyday society that they either get vaxxed or stay home.

Hopefully more companies will follow suit.

trustfundkiller
07-30-2021, 02:52 PM
At the minimum, all public places should require proof of vaccination before allowing anyone to enter.
I wish they'd do that here in FL. But it will never happen with DeathSantis.

trustfundkiller
07-30-2021, 03:03 PM
It's particularly annoying when people say, "Why bother getting vaccinated if you can still get Covid?" Why bother wearing a seatbelt if you can still die in a car accident while wearing one? No, your safety isn't 100% guaranteed but it significantly helps your chances.